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      @Smiley:

      And Sabo is the culprit:ninja:

      My other option is that Garp ran into Ain and got regressed into a 12 years old kid so that way we could see a rematch between Chinjao and Garp.

      Now that i think about it if Roger would've found the Modo Modo no mi while he was in the Grand Line he would probably still be alive.

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        WTH a curved slash? What a forced way to make that work..
        @Shuhan:

        To cause a boring senseless debate like the one we just had.

        And, my kind sir, what is the point of coming to AP if not to have these senseless debates?

        Against facts there are no arguments.

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          WTH a curved slash? What a forced way to make that work..

          And, my kind sir, what is the point of coming to AP if not to have these senseless debates?

          Wait, isn't that the point of the internet as a whole?

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          This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~

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            @NER:

            Wait, isn't that the point of the internet as a whole?

            No, that would be watching porn.

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              @King:

              No, that would be watching porn.

              16 chars of that's what's up.

              Not watching, I meant what you said lol.

              Praise our king, First fist of the Sea, DonMarimo DoBuggino exploring Bonesbeard.

              If someone seriously claimed that Whitebeard was running a vibrator business as his second job you'd ignore him as a troll.

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                I don't know what to make of you people sometimes.

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                  @Aohige_AP:

                  I saw a Japanese blog speculating that perhaps back in Kyros' days, the Colosseum gladiator was a sport and a not a bloody gladiator arena.
                  Explains why he's using a bladeless sword, and his hatred of the crowd cheering… and that perhaps Dofla changed it to the bloody tournament known today.

                  I was just talking about this the other day, it makes a lot of sense. The bladeless sword is what makes it believable imo.

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                    @IlanZ:

                    WTH a curved slash? What a forced way to make that work..

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                    NOPE,NOPE that's what I saw on that pic, a curved slash, a straight smile, a nose and that thing sticking out

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                      His "bladeless" sword might just have become dull over time, if it was just lying around for 20 years it would make sense. Just doesn't fit for me to call them gladiators if it was a bloodless sport.

                      I wonder if the fish around the ring/around green bit will serve in any bull fighting type event, although it's sort of what's happening when people fall in the water.

                      Veni, Vedi, Vici.

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                        His "bladeless" sword might just have become dull over time, if it was just lying around for 20 years it would make sense. Just doesn't fit for me to call them gladiators if it was a bloodless sport.

                        I wonder if the fish around the ring/around green bit will serve in any bull fighting type event, although it's sort of what's happening when people fall in the water.

                        probably when they'll try to cross the bridge, im guessing these fish will be jumpers or something

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                          His "bladeless" sword might just have become dull over time, if it was just lying around for 20 years it would make sense. Just doesn't fit for me to call them gladiators if it was a bloodless sport.

                          I wonder if the fish around the ring/around green bit will serve in any bull fighting type event, although it's sort of what's happening when people fall in the water.

                          Nah, I think it was obvious that the sword he was using wasn't made for killing.

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                          This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~

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                            @Drazgoon:

                            His "bladeless" sword might just have become dull over time, if it was just lying around for 20 years it would make sense. Just doesn't fit for me to call them gladiators if it was a bloodless sport.

                            Not really, they shown the blade to have a flat edge, a sword that dulls over time wouldn't have that shape, it would be more rounded since it was once a blade that was sharp. Think of the edge as / vs _/

                            No matter how much time passes a once sharp blade won't achieve that flat surface by simply dulling over time. That sword was created with that flat edge, without a cutting edge. [hide] [/hide]

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                              Damn the wait is getting pretty hard to overcome… We should be getting spoilers on next tuesday correct?

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                                @Katzztar:

                                Not really, they shown the blade to have a flat edge, a sword that dulls over time wouldn't have that shape, it would be more rounded since it was once a blade that was sharp. Think of the edge as / vs _/

                                No matter how much time passes a once sharp blade won't achieve that flat surface by simply dulling over time. That sword was created with that flat edge, without a cutting edge. [hide][qimg]http://static.mangainn.com/mangas/676/104671/006_05_15_2013_09_43_53.png[/qimg] [/hide]

                                Fair enough, i guess i took blue gilly saying dull too literally, didn't bother looking into it more.

                                Veni, Vedi, Vici.

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                                  If it's so dull, how can he slash his opponents with so much blood?

                                  [http://www.batoto.net/read/_/167382/one-piece_ch707_by_mangarule/13

                                  O](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/167382/one-piece_ch707_by_mangarule/13)r… that's not blood at all. :blink:

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                                    If it's so dull, how can he slash his opponents with so much blood?

                                    [http://www.batoto.net/read/_/167382/one-piece_ch707_by_mangarule/13

                                    O](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/167382/one-piece_ch707_by_mangarule/13)r… that's not blood at all. :blink:

                                    The sword looks pretty massive and heavy, so it's possible that he was still able to inflict blunt damage with it.

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                                      Any word on when Manga Rule will release chapter 709?

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                                        I notice that Doflaminogo, who is in his 40s, looks very young for his age. It's like he found a way to slow his aging.

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                                          I notice that Doflaminogo, who is in his 40s, looks very young for his age. It's like he found a way to slow his aging.

                                          Are you noting an observation or are you seriously suggesting this as a theory…?

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                                            @Toucan:

                                            Are you noting an observation or are you seriously suggesting this as a theory…?

                                            Do you even have to ask

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                                              @Toucan:

                                              Any word on when Manga Rule will release chapter 709?

                                              With 710, apparently. That's what they said on their blog, at least.

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                                                This maybe off topic but is law considered as a swordsman?

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                                                  With 710, apparently. That's what they said on their blog, at least.

                                                  Thanks, I thought they would do something like that.

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                                                    @hamad138:

                                                    This maybe off topic but is law considered as a swordsman?

                                                    Nope. This was discussed at length a while ago, but I have no idea what thread it was in. So the short version is no, he uses a sword, but it's not his main discipline and only means of fighting.

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                                                      @Toucan:

                                                      Are you noting an observation or are you seriously suggesting this as a theory…?

                                                      Just an observation. I kinda remembered that one theory that when you eat a devil fruit, it will slow down your aging.

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                                                        Nope. This was discussed at length a while ago, but I have no idea what thread it was in. So the short version is no, he uses a sword, but it's not his main discipline and only means of fighting.

                                                        I'm sure this was discussed…but I think Law's swordman's ship is just as effective as any other person who wields a sword. I do not see a major difference between Mihawk and Law (they both have heavy swords that cause major damage). I'm sure Mihawk is much more seasoned than Law, but the way they perform is quite similar. So if you fight by the with a sword (whether or not Law's DF calls for such a weapon), you live by the sword. I have a difficult time not calling him a swordsman. But I also consider Daz Bone's a swordsman (despite his DF)...so I don't think a DF should completely rule someone out.

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                                                          An fujitora is also not considered as a swordsman?

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                                                            Swordsmanship refers to the skills of a swordsman, a person versed in the art of the sword. The term is modern, and as such was mainly used to refer to smallsword fencing, but by extension it can also be applied to any martial art involving the use of a sword. The formation of the English word "swordsman" is parallel to the Latin word gladiator,[1] a term for the professional fighters who fought against each other and a variety of other foes for the entertainment of spectators in the Roman Empire. The word gladiator itself comes from the Latin word gladius, meaning "sword". [[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordsmanship"]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordsmanship] He is. If you use a sword you are a swordman, but it doesn't mean you are defined by it.

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                                                            Nope. This was discussed at length a while ago, but I have no idea what thread it was in. So the short version is no, he uses a sword, but it's not his main discipline and only means of fighting.

                                                            True but it doesn't disqualify him as a swordsman. But does it even matter? It's just a matter of semantics..

                                                            Against facts there are no arguments.

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                                                              I doubt if this contest would be anything but a warm up to what would proceed in Dressarosa. These contestants, excepting perhaps Jesus Burgess, should be fodder for Luffy. Seeing as it were the way his punches and kick flung Hody Jones hither thither, the question is, how much damage might the crowd suffer if he chooses to go heavy on his opponents.

                                                              On another note, I wonder why people think Bartho's barrier power might be a problem to Luffy? Isn't Haki supposed to negate the use of devil fruit powers? Unless Bartho's Haki is stronger than Luffy's, which I very much doubt, he would be blown away with any Haki infused attack.

                                                              In my opinion, Luffy is absolutely being underestimated. For someone who lost his brother the way he did and seeking to avenge his death, it would be offensive to think he would reappear without the power to match any enemy he apprehends. Even Raleigh shed a happy tear in anticipation of the glory that would come Luffy's way knowing indeed that he now had the power to go all the way.

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                                                                Law isn't a swordsman. He only uses his sword to compliment his Devil Fruit ability, seemingly similar to Fujitora.

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                                                                I doubt if this contest would be anything but a warm up to what would proceed in Dressarosa. These contestants, excepting perhaps Jesus Burgess, should be fodder for Luffy. Seeing as it were the way his punches and kick flung Hody Jones hither thither, the question is, how much damage might the crowd suffer if he chooses to go heavy on his opponents.

                                                                On another note, I wonder why people think Bartho's barrier power might be a problem to Luffy? Isn't Haki supposed to negate the use of devil fruit powers? Unless Bartho's Haki is stronger than Luffy's, which I very much doubt, he would be blown away with any Haki infused attack.

                                                                In my opinion, Luffy is absolutely being underestimated. For someone who lost his brother the way he did and seeking to avenge his death, it would be offensive to think he would reappear without the power to match any enemy he apprehends. Even Raleigh shed a happy tear in anticipation of the glory that would come Luffy's way knowing indeed that he now had the power to go all the way.

                                                                I don't think so.

                                                                Law one-shot Vergo with his Devil Fruit, even when Vergo was in full-body, Armament Haki. Haki allows the user to "touch" Logia users when they're in an elemental form.

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                                                                  I doubt if this contest would be anything but a warm up to what would proceed in Dressarosa. These contestants, excepting perhaps Jesus Burgess, should be fodder for Luffy. Seeing as it were the way his punches and kick flung Hody Jones hither thither, the question is, how much damage might the crowd suffer if he chooses to go heavy on his opponents.

                                                                  On another note, I wonder why people think Bartho's barrier power might be a problem to Luffy? Isn't Haki supposed to negate the use of devil fruit powers? Unless Bartho's Haki is stronger than Luffy's, which I very much doubt, he would be blown away with any Haki infused attack.

                                                                  In my opinion, Luffy is absolutely being underestimated. For someone who lost his brother the way he did and seeking to avenge his death, it would be offensive to think he would reappear without the power to match any enemy he apprehends. Even Raleigh shed a happy tear in anticipation of the glory that would come Luffy's way knowing indeed that he now had the power to go all the way.

                                                                  No, it's…y'know what, let me let Robin explain:

                                                                  Haki is so simple, I can't believe people still don't get how it works.

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                                                                    WOW IS BELLAMY EVERY NOT GOING TO BE A DISSAPOINTING CHARACTER?!?!
                                                                    I'd like to see him in a fight where he doesn't get destroyed by a single knockout blow!!!!

                                                                    this is your captain speaking

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                                                                      @namimore:

                                                                      I'm sure this was discussed…but I think Law's swordman's ship is just as effective as any other person who wields a sword. I do not see a major difference between Mihawk and Law (they both have heavy swords that cause major damage). I'm sure Mihawk is much more seasoned than Law, but the way they perform is quite similar. So if you fight by the with a sword (whether or not Law's DF calls for such a weapon), you live by the sword. I have a difficult time not calling him a swordsman. But I also consider Daz Bone's a swordsman (despite his DF)...so I don't think a DF should completely rule someone out.

                                                                      Daz Bones isn't using swords though. His body may be made of steel, but he's not wielding swords in any manner, he fought like a chainsaw more than anything else.

                                                                      A DF doesn't have to rule somebody out, Brook is a swordsman, but until they refer to themselves as such I wouldn't consider them one. A lot of the DF users that carry and utilize a sword I would say is more just having a secondary weapon. In the case of Law I believe he is more referred to as a Doctor. I think if he was ever referred to as a swordsman and was considered capable with it he would have been on Zoro's radar.

                                                                      But again it doesn't really matter that much. It's just left up to what Oda classifies them as.

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                                                                        Daz Bones isn't using swords though. His body may be made of steel, but he's not wielding swords in any manner, he fought more like a chainsaw more than anything else.

                                                                        And didn't he explicitly tell Zoro not to refer him as a swordsman?

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                                                                          I own swords…does that make me a swordsman?

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                                                                            @MetaMario:

                                                                            And didn't he explicitly tell Zoro not to refer him as a swordsman?

                                                                            @Shuhan:

                                                                            I own swords…does that make me a swordsman?

                                                                            It's like your avatars are staring at each other, getting ready to duke it out.

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                                                                              @Enzeru:

                                                                              It's like your avatars are staring at each other, getting ready to duke it out.

                                                                              That's because they are…

                                                                              !

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                                                                                LOL….Okay that makes sense...Never occurred to me they were part of the same image.

                                                                                Oh man...I have a sword...I'm a swordswoman! Eat it Tashigi!

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                                                                                  I have one better I have a Bankai Zangetsu…

                                                                                  Should I brag about that?

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                                                                                    @MetaMario:

                                                                                    And didn't he explicitly tell Zoro not to refer him as a swordsman?

                                                                                    He did? Oh…I don't remember this. Well shit...I still think he is XD

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                                                                                    I own swords…does that make me a swordsman?

                                                                                    Absolutely.

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                                                                                      @Shuhan:

                                                                                      I own swords…does that make me a swordsman?

                                                                                      If you use them, yes.

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                                                                                        @Cyclone_Baroness:

                                                                                        Daz Bones isn't using swords though. His body may be made of steel, but he's not wielding swords in any manner, he fought like a chainsaw more than anything else.

                                                                                        A DF doesn't have to rule somebody out, Brook is a swordsman, but until they refer to themselves as such I wouldn't consider them one. A lot of the DF users that carry and utilize a sword I would say is more just having a secondary weapon. In the case of Law I believe he is more referred to as a Doctor. I think if he was ever referred to as a swordsman and was considered capable with it he would have been on Zoro's radar.

                                                                                        But again it doesn't really matter that much. It's just left up to what Oda classifies them as.

                                                                                        This is all true. I guess I'm more lenient on who I classify as a "swordsman". I even call characters "swordsmen" even if they don't want to be referred as one XD

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                                                                                          LOL….Okay that makes sense...Never occurred to me they were part of the same image.

                                                                                          Lol, our sigs are different too~

                                                                                          We will haunt your dreams Cyclone

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                                                                                            And now Metamario.
                                                                                            OH no i screw it all,.

                                                                                            I want to believe too big guy3ds code friend:0404-6254-1866

                                                                                            new "new"3ds code friend:0791-4253-7110 (monster hunter)

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                                                                                              Law isn't a swordsman. He only uses his sword to compliment his Devil Fruit ability, seemingly similar to Fujitora.

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                                                                                              I don't think so.

                                                                                              Law one-shot Vergo with his Devil Fruit, even when Vergo was in full-body, Armament Haki. Haki allows the user to "touch" Logia users when they're in an elemental form.

                                                                                              Dude come on, wasn't it stated(or at least heavily implied) that if you master your fruit enough or/and have haki stronger than your opponet you'll be able to bypass their defense? 😐 obviously Law did one of these two things, or both of them, and thats how he managed to cut vergo.

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                                                                                              This phony honor code that puts you on your throne, a double standard you invoke when you want~

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                                                                                                Lol, our sigs are different too~

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                                                                                                ….I didn't even notice that...Oh god >_<

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                                                                                                  Dude come on, wasn't it stated(or at least heavily implied) that if you master your fruit enough or/and have haki stronger than your opponet you'll be able to bypass their defense? 😐 obviously Law did one of these two things, or both of them, and thats how he managed to cut vergo.

                                                                                                  No. That was never stated or implied. And Law in no way, shape or form has mastered his fruit yet. There would be no room for growth (power wise) if that were the case.

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                                                                                                    No. That was never stated or implied. And Law in no way, shape or form has mastered his fruit yet. There would be no room for growth (power wise) if that were the case.

                                                                                                    Why would it matter if Law has stopped progressing or not? He's a side character.

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                                                                                                      Why would it matter if Law has stopped progressing or not? He's a side character.

                                                                                                      Because there's 7 to 8 more years left of the series, and he's bound to play more than a single role. People who think otherwise need to get their brains checked.

                                                                                                      Have you not seen what Oda has done to other side characters? He cares for his side characters and their growth almost as much as his main characters.

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                                                                                                        Because there's 7 to 8 more years left of the series, and he's bound to play more than a single role. People who think otherwise need to get their brains checked.

                                                                                                        Have you not seen what Oda has done to other side characters? He cares for his side characters and their growth almost as much as his main characters.

                                                                                                        Law is pretty much over powered as is. But I could also care less about his development power wise. His personality is pretty uninteresting to me so I'd rather see much less of him. shrugs

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