Dammit you people, thanks to this conversation, I read the new chapter. I wanted to stay clear of FT…
For me it's a callback to chapter 6, the failed infiltration of the Duke's mansion. Every moment Natsu puts his Ninja scarf on, all cover is blown.
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Fairy Tail Discussion III
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“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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I feel stupid for expecting the infiltration to be taken a whole lot more seriously. The characters should have been able to play hero a bit more subtly and smoothly, but Mashima just love to deliver it right to the readers' face. And here I thought Erza had more intelligence than the rest that even qualify her as temporary guild master. Was that the punchline for her insistent warning to Natsu? Meh.
Guess they left the brainworks to the Fairy Tail team B.
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Can someone help me understand this page please?
So Zeref had hoped natsu would transform into a demon today, and kill Zeref.
However Acnologia stood in the way, because according to Igneel, he fears end and wanted to avoid his resurrection.
However Acnologia talks about END like they have already met and he doesnt seem to fear him.
One more thing thats strange for me, Acnologia didn't help in any way to space face, so why did he come?
I'm a bit confused here.
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Dammit you people, thanks to this conversation, I read the new chapter. I wanted to stay clear of FT…
For me it's a callback to chapter 6, the failed infiltration of the Duke's mansion. Every moment Natsu puts his Ninja scarf on, all cover is blown.
Not worse than that time when Natsu wanted to pull a Nicolas Cage in the royal castle.
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Last Chapter: This country is really bad, and has super terrible strong people, 11 equal to our God Serena who also joined their ranks. A direct fight with them even with all our strength as a country would result in decimation of our forces.
My reaction: Sounds cool, except this is Fairy Tail and only a fraction of one guild will be good enough for this.
This Chapter:
"We must get supplies and learn information to have a chance"
Yeah, sure
Gajeel: "Even infiltrating means almost a 0% success rate"
Well yeah, they are bringing Natsu
Gajeel: "Erza was smart enough to realize this"
Sure
Levi: "They had to split up to tip the scale into a minute possibility"
Well Levy is one of the few voices of reason
Kana "lets make people ship us Juvia"
Classy
Erza: "Natsu, don't fuck this up"
Hope slightly rising
kid is being harassed
Erza: "As much as I don't like it, we can't risk our operation, stay calm Natsu"
Interest at a high point aaaaannnnddddd…
Everyone take out the soldiers, including Erza who was supposed to be the brains
That's what I get for getting my hopes up in the end.Throw in Fan Service of the various characters, and you got Fairy Tail.
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No, Horizon is factually correct. You guys are being pretentious. You want to see references where there are none to validate your interests. You're trying to see satanic verses in a Dr. Seuss book.
What you're doing is the stereotypical "Narutard" behavior that makes the series and manga/anime in general a target for ridicule. This is no different than if you were trying to claim that Naruto invented the concept of the nine-tailed fox or kancho. Please stop.
Jeez, turn down the arrogance a tad bit, would you? Calling people pretentious and generalizing them as "Narutards" because they interpreted a single panel as a Naruto reference makes you look like very butthurt person and I would argue that people like you are much more responsible for manga/anime becoming a target of ridicule. No need to become this defensive. No one is trying to validate their interests, this is called stating an opinion and backing it up with what you consider evidence for said opinion. Go re-learn the definiton of "pretentious" and relax a bit
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I'm still not sure why you bring Natsu in an infiltration mission. The guy is reckless and the biggest trouble maker of a guild of trouble maker. But since I haven't read in a while maybe there was a good reason?…
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Not sure why everyone is pinning it on Natsu. Erza, Gray and Lucy all did the same thing.
Mest is probably going to fix it all with his memory alteration magic anyway.
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@The:
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Well, to be honest, how would you feel about Erza and co if those guys were about to kill the kid and only Natsu did something about it.
Erza - "Wtf Natsu, the kid lost his dad anyway. He will be better off dead than fighting rats overs leftovers. Why did you have to do that? Now Mest will have to use his extremely convenient magic to get us off this trouble."
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How about trying something different like… using their female charm? It worked quite well a few seconds ago, but... well, never mind!
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But Bart, obviously evil guys have more bloodlust than sex drive. That´s a fact well known.
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@LordEnel:
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What´s the chapter?
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Oh yes, they are evil for evil's sake, I forgot.
How about using their magic more subtle then? Like creating a diversion?
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Not sure why everyone is pinning it on Natsu. Erza, Gray and Lucy all did the same thing.
Mest is probably going to fix it all with his memory alteration magic anyway.
I'm not pinning stuff on Natsu.I doubt a bunch of good will mage would let a kid be killed in the story. I simply don't see why choose Natsu for infiltration considering his fighting style, history or personality.
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Well, to be honest, how would you feel about Erza and co if those guys were about to kill the kid and only Natsu did something about it.
Erza - "Wtf Natsu, the kid lost his dad anyway. He will be better off dead than fighting rats overs leftovers. Why did you have to do that? Now Mest will have to use his extremely convenient magic to get us off this trouble."
I was interested in the idea that what they would've done at home is something that means death for them here. I forgot about the memory thing, so it seems that this infiltration thing should be much easier than originally planned.
Mest: These are not the droids you are looking for
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I'm still not sure why you bring Natsu in an infiltration mission. The guy is reckless and the biggest trouble maker of a guild of trouble maker. But since I haven't read in a while maybe there was a good reason?…
No, you're right. This is unbelievable stupid, considering the amount of years Erza know him. It's just Mashimas plot that has to develop as poor as his feeble mind, plotting the same bullshit over and over.
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Speaking of the same bullshit over and over, this guard being evil just for evil's sake reminded me of this guy:
http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Nadal
Seriously, what was this guy's right to exist? He's just there to make Jellal look symphathetic - by making himself look especially unsymphathetic. And aside from being an ass in this one scene, he just doesn't appear any more at all.
And his comrade is named… Serena?! So God serena doesn't even have an unique name? Instead he is named after another one chapter only-character.
Forum user Bartholemew Bear passed away in a very moving and touching way. I, ARTEMlS, therefore carry on the Will of DArth for good unto its final fulfilment.
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I'm still not sure why you bring Natsu in an infiltration mission. The guy is reckless and the biggest trouble maker of a guild of trouble maker. But since I haven't read in a while maybe there was a good reason?…
That's the point
He's gonna fux shit up, its what they do. Especially whenever evil is being done.
Mest is the Deus ex Machina that is gonna fix everything
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@Bartholemew:
Speaking of the same bullshit over and over, this guard being evil just for evil's sake reminded me of this guy:
http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Nadal
Seriously, what was this guy's right to exist? He's just there to make Jellal look symphathetic - by making himself look especially unsymphathetic. And aside from being an ass in this one scene, he just doesn't appear any more at all.
And his comrade is named… Serena?! So God serena doesn't even have an unique name? Instead he is named after another one chapter only-character.
I'd say they were named after famous tennis players, but someone might say those names existed before them. :ninja:
Is Yury's new name officialy romanized as Serena?
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Mest is the Deus ex Machina that is gonna fix everything
That's not Deus ex Machina, since both Mest and his ability were established long time ago. His ability is the main reason why he became a spy in the first place.
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441 chapters in, and Mashima still has no clue how to convey impact to his blows.
Seriously, the last spread looks like we arrived 1 second late to the actual punches.
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But Bart, obviously evil guys have more bloodlust than sex drive. That´s a fact well known.
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What´s the chapter?
the chapter mard geer is defeated in
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And Mashima just has absolutely no clue how to create an emotional impact. Instead stuff just happens and happens.
For example, let's compare this with the Charlos and Hachi situation. There, you could feel the emotions. They carried perfectly over to the reader. But here: We got a generic evil guy who is evil for the evulz and a generic cute and helpless kid who is just cute and helpless for the sake of deliberate looking symphathetic - and deliberaty making this guy unsymphathetic. Mashima is beating us with a wooden mallet in order to feel emotions here, but it just doesn't work. None us these two character have enough charaterization.
Another example was the situation where Lucy had to decide whether that jerk councilman or that random 'symphathetic' woman has to be blown up. All we got from the woman was some exposition infodump that she's a nice woman, has kids and might be the incarnation of Mother Theresa, but after all she was just there suddenly. We as readers just didn't feel anything for her because the necessary characterization just was lacking.
Instead of building up any tension and emotions it just feels that Mashima is using some random stuff without any structurization.
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I wouldn't say he has no clue how to create it. Seemed to be doing that just fine in Rave and early FT.
It's like somehwere along the way, he got bored of FT a little, and now he's just stuffing things into the plot.
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The problem is that he isn't really that good at the concept plant and payoff. Especially at gaining the actual payoff out of the plant. That's why early Fairy Tail actually is very good for me - because at that point the bigger payoffs don't play any role at all. That's also why the more lighthearted chapters are quite good as well.
I don't know Rave, though. Maybe he really was better back then, but regards Fairy Tail he unfortunately fails at harvesting the payoffs properly.
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@LordEnel:
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You already answered your question,he came to avoid END´s Resurrection. He probably has some unfinished business with Zeref and wants to avoid his death.
Zeref, on the other hand, wants END to ressurect because it´s his brother and he wishes for death, so he couldn´t let the book fall into Acnologia´s power.
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You already answered your question,he came to avoid END´s Resurrection. He probably has some unfinished business with Zeref and wants to avoid his death.
Zeref, on the other hand, wants END to ressurect because it´s his brother and he wishes for death, so he couldn´t let the book fall into Acnologia´s power.
Acnologia is still a bit of an incognita. He also showed up at Tenrou just because.No, no, So basically END (natsu) is the strongest being there is and will be, we are so far, when END was supposed to be resurrected in Tartaros arc, Acnologia didn't do one thing, to stop face, like he didn't even destroy one, it was just chance that he ended up there.
However here it gets tricky for me, later when zeref goes to see acnologia, he says that him and his brother, END will give him the battle he so desired, and we see acnologia smyling, eager to face END; yet he came over tartaros in an attempt to stop face and END, because from what I get, END already existed and faced Igneel, defeated him, on top of that Igneel said that even Acnologia fears END, which Acnologia forcely has seen so I just don't get it, is it just bad writing? Am I stupid? Or there is an other reason?
The only Ambiguity I got here is that Natsu is the Stronges of them all, ofc only the 2 strongest mages in the world know about this, And Both Know that END is stronger then them, ( Well In Zeref's case is hope and Trust that he will beat him), So the only thing I got from here, Is that Acnologia fears END, because END will kill him, but at the same time is eager to face him, for i dunno, maybe he hasnt found anyone as strong yet.
So Acnologia wants To Die facing END, Yet he shows up everytime to prevent his resurrection/development, I Find it Odd.
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@LordEnel:
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From what I recall, Zeref said "…Between an imortal (him), a dragon (ac.) and mankind."
He did not include Natsu in there. He probably wants to destroy everything and then have END finish him.I wouldn´t think about it a lot. Again, we know jackshit about Acnologia. + him refusing to say he was afraid of END might just be tough villain talk.
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From what I recall, Zeref said "…Between an imortal (him), a dragon (ac.) and mankind."
He did not include Natsu in there. He probably wants to destroy everything and then have END finish him.I wouldn´t think about it a lot. Again, we know jackshit about Acnologia. + him refusing to say he was afraid of END might just be tough villain talk.
In the best translation he says, between him a dragon, and the human….
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@LordEnel:
In the best translation he says, between him a dragon, and the human….
I don't know what you call the best translation, but i've just checked 2 english translations, 1 spanish and 1 portuguese and they all say human race. However, 1 portuguese/brazilian says the human, so there's definitly a mistake someone mmade.
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@Bartholemew:
I don't know Rave, though. Maybe he really was better back then, but regards Fairy Tail he unfortunately fails at harvesting the payoffs properly.
Judging from his author commentary section, he has always had difficulties on planning things ahead and loved to shoe-horn anything to invoke one-moment emotion from readers.
I might be biased, but narrative-wise, Rave wasn't as bad as FT. As for now, FT seem to lost its way after the revelation of missing dragons and all (Natsu has fullfilled his goal) and now we're having filler arcs to serve as inbetweens until reaching the final one. Rescuing Makarov? really?
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Rave always had a certain flow and continuity. But that has a lot to do with the fact that main characters were on a single quest from the beginning.
Fairy Tail doesn't have any sense of direction. Something that might be considered the main plot appeared after a while, in traces, but in the meantime, plot went everywhere, without gradually introducing stuff that's going to become important in the future.
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http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/442
! Lol at them getting owned by some lackey
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Well that was a chapter. If it was a different writer behind this, I could be interested at the prospect of this arc. For now I remain skeptical at how all of this will go down, and will be pleasantly surprised if things turn out well. That said.
! So I'm guessing we'll be learning about a different type of magic or something here? Mainly that they'll have to learn about spacial magic if they hope to even have a chance. If not, then no one can use their magic or hit anyone. I could be more excited about Alvarez as a whole if it wasn't so late into the series. This idea of an empire being much stronger compared to the other continent, learning about the insides and out about their inner workings as a kingdom. However, at this time it will be rushed and little details will be given. This is mostly a hype stage which will most likely end in some decent fights.
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Meh, this guy isn't anything special. I forsee a future where he falls from one hit KO from Natsu.
Standard bad guy that surprises good guys with a hax ability.
Should have known Mashima wouldn't be able to hold his Kraken in for long.
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So Mashima reinforced the view (already shared by Erza in-universe) that Mest/peDoranbolt is actually a pedo… nothing surprising, after all.
"Interestingly enough, the gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they think they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight."
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I really hope they'll at least train a little bit since right now they can't even defeat one of the underlings of one of the shields of Alvarez. But I shouldn't expect too much…
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I bet Erza just cancels his magic next chapter and one-shots him
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I really hope they'll at least train a little bit since right now they can't even defeat one of the underlings of one of the shields of Alvarez. But I shouldn't expect too much…
We've literally just come off a timeskip where they trained for a year, watch these new enemies get destroyed in the next couple of chapters
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Fuck that guy. He think he is Dio.
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Glad the infiltration plot didn't get totally wasted.:getlost:
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So Mashima reinforced the view (already shared by Erza in-universe) that Mest/peDoranbolt is actually a pedo… nothing surprising, after all.
Wait, when was this? The only other time she could've commented on him from what I recall was during the Tenrou Island arc. I thought she was just suspicious of him because of the whole memory thing and her not knowing Doranbolt well? In the end, if this is as far as it goes, then all should be well. If it goes any further, things are going to get extremely uncomfortable in the manga, and that's saying something for this series.
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I wonder for how long did Doranbolt know about the naked eternal loli that's underneath Fairy tail's basement? :ninja:
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I wonder for how long did Doranbolt know about the naked eternal loli that's underneath Fairy tail's basement? :ninja:
Same time Makarov disbanded the guild and told him about it.
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@The:
Wait, when was this? The only other time she could've commented on him from what I recall was during the Tenrou Island arc. I thought she was just suspicious of him because of the whole memory thing and her not knowing Doranbolt well? In the end, if this is as far as it goes, then all should be well. If it goes any further, things are going to get extremely uncomfortable in the manga, and that's saying something for this series.
When Erza turned into a child in the Sun village arc, she envisioned Jellal saying that he wasn't attracted to children and then you have mest creeping in the background giving her "the look".
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Another chapter which proves MANshima > Goda.
Spraggan 12 already proving more competent than Avatar and Tartaros.
Marin can probably fodderstomp Etherion Mard.
"IF YOU’RE A MAN YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN YA NEVER GO DOWN YA JUST STAY UP"
- RIC FLAIR
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Another chapter which proves MANshima > Goda.
Spraggan 12 already proving more competent than Avatar and Tartaros.
Marin can probably fodderstomp Etherion Mard.
As much as I hated the entire Tararos arc, I can´t see how the Springfield 12 are more competent than the guys that took Laxus out and destroyed the entire magic council.
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Another chapter which proves MANshima > Goda.
I'm never quite sure whether you're serious or not
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Another chapter which proves MANshima > Goda.
Oh please. We all know it should be Kubo > Everyone
On a more serious note, lackluster chapter, the man with the dream was just one big face-palm moment, but the idea of spacial magic is pretty cool and I do like the lady at the end.
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@The:
Wait, when was this? The only other time she could've commented on him from what I recall was during the Tenrou Island arc. I thought she was just suspicious of him because of the whole memory thing and her not knowing Doranbolt well? In the end, if this is as far as it goes, then all should be well. If it goes any further, things are going to get extremely uncomfortable in the manga, and that's saying something for this series.
Don't remember the number of the chapter (34X, I'd say), but it was when Erza was turned into a kid for the first time, back in the frozen village full of male giants. Soon after being turned into a little girl, she thought about how other people would react at the change: Wendy would think of her as a little sister; Natsu and Gray would be happy because she was easier to defeat; Jellal would turn her down saying something like "Sorry, but I'm not into kids"… and Doranbolt would blush and ogle at her.
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@Zar:
Oh please. We all know it should be Kubo > Everyone
On a more serious note, lackluster chapter, the man with the dream was just one big face-palm moment, but the idea of spacial magic is pretty cool and I do like the lady at the end.
You know, I haven't watched Breaking Bad except for a few episodes here and there, but am I the only one that thought "That's fucking Walter White!" as soon as that guy appeared?
Kept waiting for that guy to reveal himself as enemy mage and inform them he has drugged them or reveal his crystal meth magic or something.
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@Zar:
Oh please. We all know it should be Kubo > Everyone
On a more serious note, lackluster chapter, the man with the dream was just one big face-palm moment, but the idea of spacial magic is pretty cool and I do like the lady at the end.
That was a very, very, very weird scene.
I didn´t understood if it was supposed to be a comedy attempt, or if we actually were supposed to feel sorry for the guy… No idea. It was totally out of place.Unless Masima intends to start a gag that everytime they encounter this guy in the future, he gets his stand destroyed, this was a waste of panels.
