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    • Zar
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      I like the concept of a pathetically weak villain (probably the weakest in the entire series) who tries to move on and become a respectable person. And as unlikable as he is, you got to give Helmeppo some credit for the mental pain he must've gone through. Accepting that you are a spoiled brat with no reedeming qualities, along with losing your comfortable world and falling to the bottom, and then being able to move on from that and start over - its not something that is easy to do. Looking back at the Coby-Meppo side story, I couldn't help but smile when I saw how in the first half he was always trying to slack off, and then in the second half he starts training seriously.

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      He isn't very interesting. Helmeppo hasn't had his shining moment, nor any redeeming memorable moments (with the exception of standing up to his father).
      There is still room for improvement. I don't think Helmeppo is supposed to be a likable character, but I definely wouldn't mind him showing some results.

      2/5

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        Love: Helmeppo on his own makes almost no impression on me, he's one of those throwaway shonen bullies you see for an episode and then never again. But Oda did what Oda does and made him a character with his own life behind the scenes.
        More importantly he gives depth to Coby's character, the best friend/ rival/ comic relief that characters headlining their own books have. And showing him growing in ability along with Coby reinforces it.
        The sunglasses & kukri are pretty cool, too.

        Loathe: that ponytail reminds us firmly the douchebag we first met is still somewhere in there.
        2/5

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          Love: I like that he didn't just disappear after the Captain Morgan arc. He could have easily been a one note villain but Oda brought him back. I like that he now works hard and has gotten stronger and even has his own goal. In the Captain Morgan arc, he was a great villain to love to hate.

          Loathe: God was he a despicable person in the Captain Morgan arc. He was a spoiled brat, a murderer, and just an unpleasant person. I don't think I had ever hated a fictional character more than I hated him. These are more shallow loathes but his first hairstyle was just awful, his chin annoys me, and God it was terrifying when he took his shirt off!

          2/5

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            Love: In other manga, Helmeppo would have been completely cast aside after he part in the story was done. Oda not only kept him in the story, but actually turned a pretty dick character into someone respectable who has turned himself around. That's something you rarely see in a character that not from the main cast, and even more rare to see that character actually be involved in the story, even if it is a small role.

            Loathe: His first design was kinda bad, thank god Oda redesigned him to look actually half badass.

            2/5

            Originally Posted by KzTxL7

            I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.

            You won this week Fairy Tail.

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              😢 I thought for sure my loath comment would get picked. Oh well. Good job Supernova!

              Like: Just another great example of Oda's ability to bring back a character you thought was done with, and even redeem them.
              Some people are saying he tried to get strong but failed, which is wrong. I mean he went from being a non-combatant to a fighter of rank. What the hell did you expect, VICE ADMIRAL Helmeppo?
              So yeah, I value his strength. And his determination.
              Loathe: He's come a long way true, but as someone before me said - no wow moment yet. And he'll need a wow to be more than…

              a 2.5

              Favorite thing aside from One Piece is movies! Updated favorite films: The Passion of Joan of Arc / Alien / It's a Wonderful Life / Casablanca / One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest / The Apartment / Nights of Cabiria / Dr. Strangelove / All About Eve / Amadeus / Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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                @CityLights: Since I guessed Helmeppo a while back, does that mean I get to pick the next love/loathe character?

                Originally Posted by MDL

                Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?

                Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.

                Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.

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                  @MrPecans:

                  Some people are saying he tried to get strong but failed, which is wrong

                  It's true he became storng phisicaly, but mentaly he is still weak. (Just rewatch the war)

                  Nani?

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                    Helmeppo's Arlong Park Evaluation

                    What you loved:

                    1. Persistence and Redemption - Helmeppo has been around a looong time. He debuted in volume one and pretty clearly still has some charcater arc left to complete. That in and of itself is pretty respectable but more than that he has actually become a half way decent person. And considering what a massive shit-bag he was when we first met him that is actually pretty impressive. Oda finding some way to actually make that terrible character design work and make him semi-cool looking is also worth noting. I would like to add that Helmeppo really is the first of his archetype that we see in One Piece. Spandam and the Celestial Dragons (and some smaller characters of lesser note) were to follow. Oda just has a way of making some characters seem so irredeemable, self-congratulatory, irritating and pitiful. As though they have literally zero upside. And, as said, he actually has dug himself out of that hole a little. Admirable.
                    2. Skywalker - Alright, maybe this wasn't quite as heroic a struggle as Luke's was…but all the same Helmeppo did eventually stand up to his dick-head of a father. He basically did it to save his ass but yea, all the same, it's better than nothing. I guess the seeds of Helmeppo's slow-rolled redemption were planted long ago. In a way, it's a fascinating commentary by Oda. We've seen all these surrogate-father-figures that have had positive influences on character we know and love eg: Shanks to Luffy, Zeff to Sanji, Whitebeard to Ace. It's nice to see the opposite side of that coin; a terrible father begets terrible offspring. He only started being a decent man once he stood up for himself and separated himself from his father both physically and ideologically. This is an interesting take on the normal motif; which is that many of the best One Piece families have no blood ties.
                    3. Dat Gurkha Blade - Not much to say. Pretty sweet weapon.

                    Favorite comment goes to Zar:

                    "Love I like the concept of a pathetically weak villain (probably the weakest in the entire series) who tries to move on and become a respectable person. And as unlikable as he is, you got to give Helmeppo some credit for the mental pain he must've gone through. Accepting that you are a spoiled brat with no reedeming qualities, along with losing your comfortable world and falling to the bottom, and then being able to move on from that and start over - its not something that is easy to do. Looking back at the Coby-Meppo side story, I couldn't help but smile when I saw how in the first half he was always trying to slack off, and then in the second half he starts training seriously."

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                    What you loathed:

                    1. Flat - A lot of you felt that Helmeppo has been pretty one note. Not sure I agree but I do understand the feeling that he is a little uninteresting. Some of you guys also feel that he really hasn't grown much and that he hasn't gotten any scenes that have really shown him to be a much better person. He is kind of just there to show how much Coby has grown.
                    2. Back in the Day - Both his character and design from when we first met him were so terrible. Ugg. That hair! His chin! Those suits! Fuck this guy! On top of that he plotted to kill Zoro, forced his soldiers to freaking punt a little girl after he stomped out her lovingly made rice balls and cried to his horrible father over and over again about everything. He was the worst.

                    Favorite comment goes to Tagaroa:

                    "Loathe: that ponytail reminds us firmly the douchebag we first met is still somewhere in there."

                    Finally,the poll! With 10 votes, Helmeppo's average score is…2.15! New low score! Fishmen aren't the most hated characters in the series anymore (as they were the bottom two until now)!

                    Thanks to all that responded! I will post my next pick later on today. Here's the HINT: Our next character probably has to duck down when getting through doors…cause that hat is ridiculous.

                    Until then.

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                      I guess it's Zeff.

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                        Love & Loathe #36 Let's get our foot-breath on! It's time to evaluate: Red Shoes Zeff

                        too hardcore for anime...Here's the deal: We are looking to hyper-critique a character to try and pinpoint what makes them great and what makes them terrible. After enough people respond, I will organize what are the best and worst traits of the character, and compile an evaluation post later. Also,don't worry if you have the same answers as others,the point is to figure out a common denominator for the character.

                        So the two questions for you are:

                        What one thing do you consistently love about Zeff?
                        What one thing do you consistently loathe about Zeff?

                        And give Zeff a rating of between 1 and 5, with 5 being the highest(.5's are acceptable - ex. 1.5 or 4.5). I will tally these.

                        Enjoy.

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                          Love: I really liked his flashback with Sanji, and his farewell with him at the end of Baratie arc. He was pretty cool.
                          Loathe: Nothing, but it's not like he's very interesting. He fulfilled his purpose though.

                          3/5

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                            Love: Badass. Here is a pirate who have been to the grand line and even hinted to have been at the new world. He lost everything at that storm, but just because a kid he just met have the same dream as he, he saved him, ate his own leg and continued living. "you can't eat treasure" is one of my favourite quots.

                            Loathe: Nothing

                            5/5 An awesome char if ever I saw one.

                            Nani?

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                              Love
                              To this day I still adore the fact that Zeff remains one of the few key flashback characters who are still alive in the present. All the other strawhats have experienced an important person dying in their childhood (I'll count Sabo as "dead", as Luffy really thought he died), but Zeff is perhaps the single aversion to this trend. And strangely enough, that makes me feel even more for him and Sanji. They have a bond few others in the series can compare to, and it makes the baratie arc much more memorable. Sanji didn't learn the pain of losing a beloved one - he learned to love the man he hated and stick with him until the very end. Rather than losing his family, he got a family he didn't want to lose.

                              And overall, I find Zeff to be a very respectable person. Once a famous pirate in his own right who lost his powers, but doesn't let it drag him down and instead creates a new future for himself. He settles down and is happy with what he got.

                              Loathe
                              Very little, though I still wonder if that "paradise" he spoke of was indeed the first part of Grand Line, or merely something else (I saw one horrible discussion about it here, so I'm a bit hesitant to bring it up).

                              5/5

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                                Love: Yeah, hardcore is right. I had to reread it a couple of times before realizing 'Wait, that guy just ate his own leg?' It was a pretty dark moment when Oda's style was a lot more breezy.
                                What I love is how while he's a striking figure the place he looms largest in the story is in the lessons he taught Sanji, from never wasting food to fighting style. He also shows what a grey morality there is in the OP world, where in one moment he changed from someone willing to kill the boy without mercy to making that sacrifice for him.

                                Loathe: Because most of what we know about Zeff is from inference it was hard to pick standout points for him and harder to pick out dislikes. Probably that he's just too stoic.
                                2.5/5

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                                  Love: He has the best ‘stache. Also, he didn’t lose his limb by being a moron like some people - he just got hungry.

                                  Loathe: Film Z.
                                  “Here’s a new old guy named for the color of his limbs, except he’s like a million times better. He also has a prosthetic, except it’s like a million times better. And his name sounds like “Zeff-er,” in case you didn’t realize that he’s like a million times better.”
                                  Disclaimer: I like Film Z.

                                  3.5 / 5

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                                    Love: Eating his own leg after giving away all the food to Sanji to give him best chance at survival. And did that while making Sanji think he took most of the food so Sanji wouldn't even think of sharing the food.

                                    Loathe: Giving food to Kriegg's lackeys. I understand the concept of giving the food to everyone who needs it (He experienced what it's like first hand after all) but I still find giving it to your enemies stupid.

                                    3/5

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                                      @Lao:

                                      I guess it's Zeff.

                                      You won! New tradition!

                                      ! You won Emma Watson!

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                                        Chef Zeff

                                        Love: That hat is awesome. One of the first times I laughed very hard at One Piece with just a picture. I love his back story with Sanji and their relationship through the Baratie arc. Despite tough exterior, he had many touching moments in his arc, mostly giving Sanji all the food and later when Sanji left to travel with Luffy.

                                        Loathe: Not much, I guess he is not a character that crosses mind that much. I wouldn't say that he is forgettable, but not a character that comes to mind when I think of One Piece.

                                        3/5

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                                          I think this thread has a lot of potential and discussion on some of the characters were interesting to read (Bellemere for example) but if minor characters (such as Zeff) get too much time to be evaluated, it may die out. I would suggest either lower evaluation time for them, or giving two or three minor characters to evaluate at once. Of course it may be hard or impossible due to time for city_lights31, but I am just giving my opinion.

                                          P.S. Great thread, city_lights31. 🙂
                                          P.P.S. I am new here, so you are free to pay my post no mind 😄

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                                            I think he is just waiting for more evaluations.

                                            Nani?

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                                              Love: His self sacrifice. He severed his own foot, ate it, and gave all the rations to Sanji so that the boy would live.

                                              Plus, he owns a sweet floating restaurant and that's pretty sweet.

                                              Loathe: He got taken down by losing his peg foot which was kind of lame. Not much to loathe about the guy honestly, I'm just nitpicking.

                                              Rating 4.5/5

                                              Everything's Eventual…

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                                                Love: Mustache.

                                                Loathe: Despite being strong, he didn't do much in the battle against Krieg.

                                                4/5

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                                                  Love: His selfless sacrifice to save a child who shared his dream. Despite the fact Sanji had attempted to kill him, Zeff never even thought twice about offering up the food to the young boy, and giving his own pirate dream up.

                                                  Loathe: Zeff losing his leg did him a lot of damage it seems…but why? Shanks lost an arm and he didn't seem to diminish in strength much. We even saw Zeff put out the fiery pearls sent to blow the Baratie up with nothing but a single kick...it just seems odd Zeff couldn't have one shot Don Krieg himself.

                                                  3.5/5

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                                                    Tbh, I feel like this thread could be improved by splitting out the scores a bit more.

                                                    Split into 3 categories of 5 along the lines of design, personality and story, we could really separate the good characters from the bad.

                                                    Give a character a accumulative score out of 15 and things would become a lot more interesting.

                                                    As it stands, there really isn't enough of a gap to distinguish great, good, bad and awful characters over a span of only 5 points.

                                                    Just a thought.

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                                                      Love:

                                                      • Epic old timer pirate that sailed the Grand Line when we didn´t have a lot of info about it.
                                                      • His Flashback with Sanji. Amazing mentor.
                                                      • His "Sanji, don´t get cold" line at the end of the Baratie Arc that sent Sanji into a crying Frenzy. That is one of my favourite OP moments.
                                                      • The fact that he could give up on his All Blue dream when he realised his time was up.
                                                      • Created a working platform for the unwanted. He grabbed a bunch of nobodies no one cared about and created the best restaurant in East Blue.

                                                      Loathe:

                                                      • Not a lot. We never really saw that much from him. He performed his role in the story really well.

                                                      4.5/5

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                                                        Great mentor figure for someone who needs to be able to be independent to search for his dream.
                                                        Gave up his leg to pass the dream of All Blue on to another generation.
                                                        Almost a Robin Hood in the way he brings tip top food to the low nobodies.

                                                        Loathe
                                                        Not much. I don't understand what people are saying about how the leg reduced his power by so much. His jaunt I thought was more to help people not experience starvation.

                                                        4.5/5

                                                        Originally Posted by Psycrow

                                                        Usopp's abilities are so sweet now, they can cause a Sugar crash!

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                                                          Love: Zeffs mentality, which he passed onto sanji, to never leave someone starve to death even
                                                          if he got no money and even if he is going to atack/kill you afterwards is something that
                                                          is so rare in our world and propably in the OP world too. Even though he was a Pirate.
                                                          Untill this day, i still think that he is one of the best (side)charackter
                                                          Oda has created. A badass cook who feeds you and then beats the crap out of you.

                                                          Loathe: Him giving up on his dream/piracy after losing his leg.
                                                          Although maybe running a Sea-restaurant may have been his 2nd
                                                          dream too. In that regard i would say, almost ruining Luffys journey
                                                          is the only real reason to loathe him. :ninja:

                                                          edit: Desing+Perso+Backstory / 3
                                                          I got a 4,166 so rounding it up 4/5

                                                          Sig commin soon.

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                                                            So this thread is Dead.

                                                            Originally Posted by MDL

                                                            Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?

                                                            Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.

                                                            Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.

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                                                              @Rogues':

                                                              So this thread is Dead.

                                                              Yeah I know how you feel bro. But I think the world isn't ready for Hattori's analysis yet.

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                                                                Its alive as long as no one forgets it.

                                                                Favorite thing aside from One Piece is movies! Updated favorite films: The Passion of Joan of Arc / Alien / It's a Wonderful Life / Casablanca / One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest / The Apartment / Nights of Cabiria / Dr. Strangelove / All About Eve / Amadeus / Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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                                                                  I suggested an idea to try and renovate it a bit but no response.

                                                                  Ah well, somebody want to call the TOD?

                                                                  _"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron

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                                                                    @RobZilla:

                                                                    I suggested an idea to try and renovate it a bit but no response.

                                                                    Ah well, somebody want to call the TOD?

                                                                    About your idea, I think it wouldn't work well.

                                                                    This is the kind of stuff that works because anybody can drop in and speak the way they want about a certain character. Forcing a category system would just make things unnecessarily complicated.

                                                                    There's also the fact that many people's opinions about a character are influenced by design over personality and vice-versa.

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                                                                      @King:

                                                                      About your idea, I think it wouldn't work well.

                                                                      This is the kind of stuff that works because anybody can drop in and speak the way they want about a certain character. Forcing a category system would just make things unnecessarily complicated.

                                                                      There's also the fact that many people's opinions about a character are influenced by design over personality and vice-versa.

                                                                      I think it would be a lot clearer how people feel about a certain character, with a wider margin to aim at.

                                                                      It would also make all the replies a lot more structured, and give them something clear to evaluate.

                                                                      Just my opinion.

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                                                                        I hope Citylights_31 does find the time to return to this, he's been doing great work.

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                                                                          Since no one has tried to do anything with this thread, I'll take a crack at it. I'm gonna take RobZilla's idea of making three categories for evaluating the character. I'll talk about each one and put it on a scale of 1-10 for the character. The categories are as followed:

                                                                          Character: This included personality and accomplishments, whether it was shown or stated. Shown is better because sometimes what is said by characters isn't always true. For major characters include only big events (If this is done for early crew members, it could be long). Any character development is welcome for this as well.

                                                                          Design: Different people will have an opinion of the design and that's fine, but score should also be based on if it's memorable, as well as if it fits with the character based on the above category.

                                                                          Comparison: This one could be tricky. For this category, we compare the character to the rest of the One Piece verse. Do they fit the overall feel of the world, both through design and character. Do they represent, in some way, what the story or world is to you?

                                                                          With this set up, I'll do a character analysis to give you a better idea how it should work. Each category will be done in the order shown above. The character I'll be doing is Franky, since he is my favorite character, and there is enough to work off of to get my point across.

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                                                                          ! In a crew that has some strange members, Franky is one, if not the strangest. This is mostly apparent after the time skip, where we have time to see him do stuff. Before the time skip, he could go into a centaur mode, and he could shoot his arms out. After the time skip, we see things such as nipple lights, being able to change hair, shooting lasers out of his mouth, randomly turning into a tank, and having his own mecha. Plus he's powered by cola. There's still a lot of story left so he has more antics he will be able to show off.
                                                                          ! While being an oddball, Franky has his soft and serious side. We had a nice moment in this current arc where he talks to Luffy after finding out Ace's fruit is up for grabs. Franky shows compassion and is serious with what he's saying, showing that Franky can be confided in despite his over the top character. We also see that he's pretty smart, and not just because he can build things. When attacking the factory, despite Franky being outnumbered, he stays his ground, because if he tries going in, he'll allow reinforcements to go after Ussop and the others. Despite what others think of what happened, this showed that Franky not only thinks about what is going on at the moment, but the consequences of what actions he could take.
                                                                          ! Franky was touched by the Straw Hats greatly, as we see by the end of the Water 7 arc. Franky was devastated by what happened to his Mentor Tom. We see Franky cursing his passion to make things, which Tom hits him for. At the beginning of the arc we see Franky cares less about making stuff and more about stealing and helping his family. While not a terrible person, he seems to not care about creating things or others work. Franky is ready to just destroy the Going Merry without considering Ussop's feelings. At the end of the arc Franky has learned from seeing the Going Merry rescuing it's owners. It moves him deeply that he finally builds his first ship in a long time (this can be a connection to Tom, as he's building a ship for the next Pirate King). This is more apparent when we see Franky go out of his way to make a Going Merry paddle boat, to keep the memories alive. Since that arc Franky has created a number of things, which he is proud of, not ashamed of. This is one of the most moving stories for me when I really look into it.

                                                                          Design

                                                                          ! I'll come right out and say it, when a lot of people were disliking Franky's new Character design, I loved it right away. Even before he became one of my favorites, and then my favorite, the design was perfect. To me Franky is best known for his over the topness, which is shown most when he does his Super Pose. His current design fits that silliness to a T, big and outlandish with unnecessary things (nipple lights and being able to change hair). Both designs show he's silliness by only wearing a speedo and Hawaiian shirt. He also randomly turns into a tank for hilarity, look at Punk Hazard and my Avatar for reference. The design not only fits him but is memorable. Even if you don't like it, Franky stands out anywhere and can't be forgotten, whether for good or bad reasons.

                                                                          Comparison

                                                                          ! To me Franky represents what One Piece really is, a imaginative world with surprises at every corner. The world always has a new strange thing to show, that makes readers happy, excited, or disgusted. Franky always shows something to be happy (mini Merry), excited (he's got a freaking mech), or disgusting (nipple light. I'm not hating but some of the reactions I read were funny). In the story you have serious moments, light-hearted moments, and WTF moments. Franky also has those moments, whether it's the talk with luffy, meeting Tom's brother, or random Rabbi Franky Tank (Look at avatar for reference). Franky also fits the various opinions of One Piece, the whole mileage may vary (pun fully intended). Some people love everything about Franky (like me), some people like some aspects of him, and others just don't like him at all (because they don't like fun). The same can be said about the series, people like all or a lot of it, there are many parts they don't like but still see the good of it, and those who don't like it period (for good or bad reasons). If I had to choose a character that represented everything about the series, to me that would be Franky.

                                                                          So there is my reason's. I could go into more detail, but this gets the point across well enough I believe. Now I will give a scoring sheet about what each range includes. 1 point is the lowest you can give

                                                                          3-6: Either a one off character, not much to say about them, or just a terrible character.
                                                                          7-12: Not great, but has some redeeming qualities. If used more and given more depth, has the potential to be great.
                                                                          13-20: Good. Won't be the most memorable, but won't be forgotten. This is really good for a one time character.
                                                                          21-26: Very good. This character shows a lot and is liked very well. Score can increase or decrease in the future, but for now is a solid character
                                                                          27-30: Super level of awesomeness. This character is memorable and has a lot going for it. Not only that, it truly represents what's good about One Piece.

                                                                          Here is my break down for Franky.

                                                                          Character: 9.5
                                                                          Design: 9
                                                                          Comparison: 10
                                                                          Overall: 28.5

                                                                          Franky is a top contender for one of the best characters of this Manga, especially when compared to straw hats. When he is shown, he always has something memorable to show. He is funny, smart, and serious when the situation calls for it. Overall he has a great range and he contributes a lot to the crew.

                                                                          Let me know what you think, and if there are ways to improve this. I read some of this thread and it would be a shame for it to go to waste. I'm going to try 2 other characters to see if any interest sparks up. White Beard and this arcs seemingly favorite new character (He is mine) Bartolomeo.

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                                                                            Glad somebody can take the torch. I don't think comparison will work, it's just unclear. 5 points each for character & design is probably emough.

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                                                                              Tbh, I feel like this thread could be improved by splitting out the scores a bit more.

                                                                              Split into 3 categories of 5 along the lines of design, personality and story, we could really separate the good characters from the bad.

                                                                              Give a character a accumulative score out of 15 and things would become a lot more interesting.

                                                                              As it stands, there really isn't enough of a gap to distinguish great, good, bad and awful characters over a span of only 5 points.

                                                                              Just a thought.

                                                                              Sounds like a pretty good idea but all depends on the person who started this thread .

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                                                                                After doing the comparison, while a neat idea, isn't something that can be done with each character. I'll try a different method with a different character later. For now any suggestions are appreciated. I am planning on at least doing a 1 to 10 scale for each category. Gives a better range for grade.

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                                                                                  @The:

                                                                                  After doing the comparison, while a neat idea, isn't something that can be done with each character. I'll try a different method with a different character later. For now any suggestions are appreciated. I am planning on at least doing a 1 to 10 scale for each category. Gives a better range for grade.

                                                                                  Sounds good buddy, I hope you can revive this thread.

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                                                                                    After doing the comparison, while a neat idea, isn't something that can be done with each character. I'll try a different method with a different character later. For now any suggestions are appreciated. I am planning on at least doing a 1 to 10 scale for each category. Gives a better range for grade.

                                                                                    I like the idea, to be honest.

                                                                                    Suggestions… Hmm...

                                                                                    Well, for starters, keep a good pace if you are going to try and perfom a miracle of resurection.

                                                                                    Or you can just pick a controversial character, that will keep us going at it for weeks.

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                                                                                      I'd also say start from scratch, and keep a league table of scores for each character.

                                                                                      That in itself will make the thread a lot more transparent and not make members have to read back and forth through pages looking for scores to compare.

                                                                                      A league table will probably spark as much debate as the actual analysis of the specific characters.

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                                                                                        So it might be better to start a new thread. I guess I'll have to figure out how that would work. How do I go about setting up a new thread, if I go that route? If I recall correctly I have to get permission from a mod?

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                                                                                          So it might be better to start a new thread. I guess I'll have to figure out how that would work. How do I go about setting up a new thread, if I go that route? If I recall correctly I have to get permission from a mod?

                                                                                          Just press post new thread on manga section. Tough I'm not sure if new members like you can do that.

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                                                                                            Just press post new thread on manga section. Tough I'm not sure if new members like you can do that.

                                                                                            They cannot. Which may pose a problem.

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                                                                                            Altough you could always ask someone to do it...

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                                                                                              So it might be better to start a new thread. I guess I'll have to figure out how that would work. How do I go about setting up a new thread, if I go that route? If I recall correctly I have to get permission from a mod?

                                                                                              You might as well just wait till the privilege of starting a new thread if available to you.

                                                                                              Work out any other kinks you can think of and have a real system in place.

                                                                                              Then you can control the first post and such, it'll make things a lot easier.

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                                                                                                @RobZilla:

                                                                                                You might as well just wait till the privilege of starting a new thread if available to you.

                                                                                                Work out any other kinks you can think of and have a real system in place.

                                                                                                Then you can control the first post and such, it'll make things a lot easier.

                                                                                                That works out. I'll need time to consider how I want to do it. For the time, I might post some ideas here and see what others think. Is there a certain amount of time I have to be here before I can start threads? And I want to thank all of you for your time, suggestions and feedback. 😁

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                                                                                                  That works out. I'll need time to consider how I want to do it. For the time, I might post some ideas here and see what others think. Is there a certain amount of time I have to be here before I can start threads? And I want to thank all of you for your time, suggestions and feedback. 😁

                                                                                                  Yeah, post whatever thoughts you have and we'll do our best to help you streamline the process.

                                                                                                  There's a specific set of targets that have to be met before you can post threads and stuff. Just continue you as you are and it won't be long.

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                                                                                                    Yeah, post whatever thoughts you have and we'll do our best to help you streamline the process.

                                                                                                    There's a specific set of targets that have to be met before you can post threads and stuff. Just continue you as you are and it won't be long.

                                                                                                    Cool, thanks! Two ideas that are playing in my head is ranking characters against each other, or putting characters in different tiers of how good they are. For the first one, I would rank certain characters to how good I think they are and then discuss where other characters would be in relation to others. The other idea would rank characters into categories of Terrible to Excellent, and there could be a discussion of which characters fit in each tier.

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                                                                                                      Cool, thanks! Two ideas that are playing in my head is ranking characters against each other, or putting characters in different tiers of how good they are. For the first one, I would rank certain characters to how good I think they are and then discuss where other characters would be in relation to others. The other idea would rank characters into categories of Terrible to Excellent, and there could be a discussion of which characters fit in each tier.

                                                                                                      Well the characters could be split into tiers depending on their results out of 30 or whatever.

                                                                                                      1-10, 11-20, 21-30 or whatever.

                                                                                                      We could then do comparisons against each other to move between tiers and stuff, essentially make it a massive split league while always adding new characters.

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                                                                                                        Well the characters could be split into tiers depending on their results out of 30 or whatever.

                                                                                                        1-10, 11-20, 21-30 or whatever.

                                                                                                        We could then do comparisons against each other to move between tiers and stuff, essentially make it a massive split league while always adding new characters.

                                                                                                        That could work. It'll be a lot of work, but I have plenty of time to figure things out with my job.

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