Pangea was waaaaaaay before hominids, let alone humans.
Modern human evolved from earlier hominids in the Horn of Africa and some migrated elsewhere at various points.
Pangea was waaaaaaay before hominids, let alone humans.
Modern human evolved from earlier hominids in the Horn of Africa and some migrated elsewhere at various points.
Now, let me first preface this post by saying I haven't studied any of this nor do assert that I know exactly what I'm talking about.
Wouldn't the difference between Caribbean and African be cultural rather than ancestral? I mean, yes black Caribbeans were brought there as slaves, same as to the United States. Over centuries of separation from African culture, a uniquely black Caribbean culture developed. So I think when people say they expected Usopp to be Caribbean, they mean more in a cultural sense, than strict genetics / appearance / lineage. I mean, for that matter, we all came from Africa / The Middle East over time.
The United States really doesn't have much of it's own, uniquely American culture, so I think that's why so many people identify with some specific culture their ancestors came from still.
Using myself as an example, all my ancestors are European and came to the US between 1900 and 1930 or so. Though I'm only half Italian from my mom's side and have skin tone more reflective of being Irish (only a little bit), I'd identify more as Italian. I know relatively little about the Irish and Hungarian culture, but at least know a few Italian words (really want to learn to speak the language…grandpop doesn't remember having not spoken in decades) and Italian cooking. Spend most of my time w/ my Italian family members etc.
Do I LOOK Italian? Not really I guess. There are some light skinned Northern Italians, but my family is southern Italian and Sicilian. I do have dark hair and eyes though, unlike my dad. Culturally though, I have more connection to Italy than say Hungary.
So I guess I lost track of what I was saying XD
My main points are that though black Caribbean people and black Americans both originally came from Africa, that's more their ancestry than their culture you know?
Like my ancestors (some of whom are still alive) are European, but culturally I'm American (though as I expressed, America is somewhat devoid of culture...so I still identify with the culture I'm most familiar with at least a little bit).
He never said he wasn't black. He said he wasn't African. Which are two totally different things. And I feel the need to say while we are influenced in those ways, I wouldn't go and say nobody is American in that way. ANd considering the Jamaican slaves were there for a similar time as when Americans came to the United States, aI'd say there is a difference, regardless of where their ethnic origins are. Granted I'm no expert, so I could be completely wrong.
This thread is dumb.
Wouldn't the difference between Caribbean and African be cultural rather than ancestral? I mean, yes black Caribbeans were brought there as slaves, same as to the United States. Over centuries of separation from African culture, a uniquely black Caribbean culture developed. So I think when people say they expected Usopp to be Caribbean, they mean more in a cultural sense,
He never said he wasn't black. He said he wasn't African. Which are two totally different things.
See, maybe I would buy this if there were anything Caribbean about Usopp. Or even African.
A nebbish guy in overalls.
Nothing is distinctly cultural about Usopp unless he comes from the distinguished Manhatten tribe of the Woodyallenese.
@JERK:
Pangea was waaaaaaay before hominids, let alone humans.
Modern human evolved from earlier hominids in the Horn of Africa and some migrated elsewhere at various points.
Ah. Okay, I had no I idea. Not really my subject.
Off Topic:
Usopp looks caribbean in one of the movies.
@JERK:
I saw that guy as just saying that "I never saw Usopp as black, but as carribeanish, like Jamaican" which is nonsensical.
If you're talking about me, then I didn't say that. Carribeans are usually lighter than Africans, which would make Usopp a better fit.
Looks like you spent a shit load of time discussing this tonight, I wonder if there was much else better to do.
That would be movie 6, my friend.
I'm not good at remembering numbers. But that movie is awesome.
Usopp looks caribbean in one of the movies.
You mean, he's been seen wearing a Rastafarian like hat.
maybe Oda's never seen a black person… :ninja:
but really I think we should listen to aohgie and take this conversation elsewhere
This thread is dumb.
One Definition of Dumb - Another word for closed. You sense that something is there, but you can't, at present, detect it.
WOW THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID! TIME TO GET OFF TOPIC AND ARGUE ABOUT IT!! SO STOOPID IS YOU!!!
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Mod should move the discussion there:
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=20025
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=3486
@Sea:
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=20025
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=3486
You beat me to finding that :P
@$abZ:
Carribeans are usually lighter than Africans, which would make Usopp a better fit.
No they aren't.
Also cute Internet Cliche Comeback # 23 Abz.
@Al!naJames:
I don't see why he could have been not serious.
What he defeently did NOT intend to mean is being born in a country with paretns coming from others :P:
you're right, but i still think oda meant nationality literally and not the actual races of the straw hats (american and canadian aren't even races!).
oda seemed to answer that question as if it were, 'if you had to choose one nation to represent each of the straw hats, which nations would you pick?'
robin's cold, distant demeanor and hairstyle definitely resemble the stereotypical ideal of a russian lady. usopp's dexterity and skill with using/making basic tools bring to mind the stereotypical ideal of the african hunter-tribesman.
i gotta believe oda was just saying that these are the countries each straw hat would represent if he were doing a 'we are the world' color spread, not each straw hat's actual ethnicity.
one someone else mentioned seems true as well: i doubt oda put nearly as much thought into that response as fans seem to.
Hannyabal : German (The belly)
Kidd : Scandinavian
Shanks : Irish or Scandinavian
Dorry and Broggy : German
Ener : American
Alvida : Spanish
Kuro : British
By the way Oda already said where all the Strawhats would be from if they lived in this world.
Luffy - Brazil
Zoro - Japan
Nami - Sweden
Usopp - Africa
Chopper - Canada
Robin - Russia
Franky - USA
Brook - Austria
this is all in Volume 56 in the SBS
Hannyabal is definitely egyptian.
Ivankov is Russian
Croc- British
@Mr.:
Hannyabal is definitely egyptian.
Ivankov is Russian
Croc- British
Real Egyptians don't look like that… Hannyabal's a german beer drinker who's fan of Ancient Egypt.
By the way Oda already said where all the Strawhats would be from if they lived in this world.
Luffy - Brazil
Zoro - Japan
Nami - Sweden
Usopp - Africa
Chopper - Canada
Robin - Russia
Franky - USA
Brook - Austriathis is all in Volume 56 in the SBS
Oh really? I'm glad we have you here to tell us these things.
I cannot see how Brook could be perceived as Austrian.
A google search for an austrian man, (passing by several josef fritzl pictures) is exactly what I expected, although some may argue that it is a German/Swiss stereotype.
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Perhaps it's because I'm biased, but Brook looks more like a British stereotype. The only things he's missing is bad teeth and a monocle.
Of course, his Soul King mode may make this argument invalid anyway.
I cannot see how Brook could be perceived as Austrian.
A google search for an austrian man, (passing by several josef fritzl pictures) is exactly what I expected, although some may argue that it is a German/Swiss stereotype.
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Perhaps it's because I'm biased, but Brook looks more like a British stereotype. The only things he's missing is bad teeth and a monocle.Of course, his Soul King mode may make this argument invalid anyway.
It's because Brook was a classical musician, many of whom came from Austria (but many more are from other parts of Europe). I don't know what Oda will say now about Brook's "ethnicity".
I think Brook would look more awesome in Austrian attire.
I cannot see how Brook could be perceived as Austrian.
Austria is where Mozart was from, and where Beethoven lived for a long time. Vienna is world reknown for being the City of Music - classical music, of course.
Taking out the lederhosen to describe your image of an Austrian man is like someone taking out a picture of a redneck flinging himself into mud in Alabama to describe their image of an American. You have to go further than google search to get a picture of a country.
Well, Brook's transition to Soul Rock (whatever he does now) severs his connection.
Austria is where Mozart was from, and where Beethoven lived for a long time. Vienna is world reknown for being the City of Music - classical music, of course.
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad199/ColinEurope/Vienna/P1020317.jpg
Taking out the lederhosen to describe your image of an Austrian man is like someone taking out a picture of a redneck flinging himself into mud in Alabama to describe their image of an American. You have to go further than google search to get a picture of a country.
And if you think music defines Austria you need to smack yourself in the face with your own post.
@JERK:
And if you think music defines Austria you need to smack yourself in the face with your own post.
FFF have you ever been to Salzburg? There's an entire channel just to passing the Sound of Music over and over and over again. Beautiful city, but there only enough Mozart posters I can look at both there and in Vienna - where I lived for four years.
Of course music doesn't define Austria, there's more to it than that. But IrishLuigi should at least do more than google image search before he says there's nothing about Brooke that can be attributed to Austria just cause he doesn't wear lederhosen.
im pretty sure ALivida is scandanavian….as shes based off of a viking...
Boa Hancock may be Spanish. Spanish females black-haired are famous for her beauty. And in fact, boa is a Spanish name ( a type of snake)
Maybe Don Quixotte Doflamingo is Spanish, but he doesn't look like like a Spanish…
Boa Hancock may be Spanish. Spanish females black-haired are famous for her beauty. And in fact, boa is a Spanish name ( a type of snake)
Maybe Don Quixotte Doflamingo is Spanish, but he doesn't look like like a Spanish…
The moment I saw Doflamigno I thought he's a German.
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I would expect Donquixote Doflamingo to be french, considering he was based on a french singer (Michel Polnareff).
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If I were to give a nationality to each Shichibukai:
Mihawk: Spanish
Crocodile: Italian
Doflamingo: French
Kuma: Portuguese
Moriah: Romanian
Jinbe: Japanese
Hancock: Greek
Blackbeard: ???
And the Supernovas:
Kid and Killer: English
Law: German
Drake: Scottish
Bege: Italian
Bonney: American
Apoo: Chinese
Hawkins: Romani (not a nationality, but an ethnicity)
Urouge: Thai, I guess.
Boa Hancock may be Spanish. Spanish females black-haired are famous for her beauty. And in fact, boa is a Spanish name ( a type of snake)
Amazon Lily is based on China and she wears a qi pao
Amazon Lily is based on China and she wears a qi pao
She also incorporates two major figures of Greek Mythology: the Amazon and the Gorgon.
She is either Chinese or Greek. I lean more towards Greek.
Woop slap and Papuguay-jamacian,cause they wear rasta hats :ninja:
I don't really want to highlight my puny tiny country compared to the other great countries out there that One Piece characters could be from, but Kid X proposed that Alvida could be Scandinavian. The historical character came from a region in Sweden that used to belong to Denmark, and since we already have a Swedish girl in One Piece… On the other hand, her egocentrism and seriousness at parties doesn't fit with Danish Jante Law behavior and love of alcohol respectively.
Brogy and Dorry are obvious vikings with a typical viking behavior, however. They could be Danes... :P
Any calls for Jinbe since he's probably joining at a later point? I'd suppose he'd come from an island state, being a fishman from an island on the sea floor, but I can't really think of any island state that represents his personality. It would have to be a quite dull one. New Zealand perhaps? Don't misunderstand me, I believe it's a very interesting and beautiful country (it's actually high on my wishlist for places I want to see), but it's quite rainy and cloudy and doesn't seem to have the jolly tropical paradise feel of, say, a Caribbean island.
Any calls for Jinbe since he's probably joining at a later point? I'd suppose he'd come from an island state, being a fishman from an island on the sea floor, but I can't really think of any island state that represents his personality. It would have to be a quite dull one. New Zealand perhaps? Don't misunderstand me, I believe it's a very interesting and beautiful country (it's actually high on my wishlist for places I want to see), but it's quite rainy and cloudy and doesn't seem to have the jolly tropical paradise feel of, say, a Caribbean island.
Would'nt be a bad idea for Jinbe being from New Zealand. He be considered a beached whale after all.
Although Iam thinking
Fisher Tiger-Africa
Jinbe - NZ or Japan
Arlong - Singapore
Macro - Britain
Aladdin - India
Hody - Australian or America
Decken - Netherlands
Dosun,Zeo & Daruma - Japan
Ikaros - Greek
Hyouzou - China
She also incorporates two major figures of Greek Mythology: the Amazon and the Gorgon.
She is either Chinese or Greek. I lean more towards Greek.
She also has the name of one of Americas founding fathers.
Since Usopp be on africa. I bet he'd be from either Morroco or South Africa.
Since Usopp be on africa. I bet he'd be from either Morroco or South Africa.
On the other hand, he has the thick lips and big curly hair of a stereotypical black African. Moroccans are more of an Arabian descent as far as I know, and South Africa is known for having many white residents. Well, who knows… People tend to consider Africa as one big country, not a continent that is at least as diverse as for example Europe and Asia.
By the way, to call the nationalities of the two "unofficial" Straw Hats: Vivi is Egyptian, and Carue is... I don't really know. Indian perhaps? Just because real spot-billed ducks live in South Asia.
And for some reason something about Shanks says he's Belgian to me.
On the other hand, he has the thick lips and big curly hair of a stereotypical black African. Moroccans are more of an Arabian descent as far as I know, and South Africa is known for having many white residents.
The reason I choose morroco is because Usopp doesn't really look that black, he looks more arabian to me. His mother is white and his father sorta white with blond hair made me choose south african also.
I agree that Usopp should be South African because, honestly, any other nationality would feel random. South Africa is, most of the time, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "African nation" due to the whole history with the Apartheid and the Vuvuzelas 2010 World Cup.
Oh, and Shanks is totally Irish.
The reason I choose morroco is because Usopp doesn't really look that black, he looks more arabian to me. His mother is white and his father sorta white with blond hair made me choose south african also.
Yasopp isn't blonde. o.o
@King:
Kid and Killer: English
Law: German
Drake: Scottish
Bege: Italian
Bonney: American
Apoo: Chinese
Hawkins: Romani (not a nationality, but an ethnicity)
Urouge: Thai, I guess.
I'd say Urouge would be Tibetan, Nepalese or Bhutanese, but yeah.
Yeah, I guess Urouge makes more sense as Tibetan.
Anybody has any ideas about Hawkins? Romani is not a nationality and I was tempting to go with Haitian, but white guy with straight blond hair doesn't really fit. Also, Blackbeard.
Blackbeard doesn't really have any defining characteristics that would suggest one nationality over the other, but simply from the hairy fatness of him I'm sort of thinking American.
Blackbeard could be a mix, maybe from a Caribbean Isle after the British setup colonies there
Yasopp isn't blonde. o.o
Yes he is. His hair is black in manga but he's actually blond in color.
Blackbeard doesn't really have any defining characteristics that would suggest one nationality over the other, but simply from the hairy fatness of him I'm sort of thinking American.
I say his mexican
Kid and Killer: English
Law: German
Drake: Scottish
Bege: Italian
Bonney: American
Apoo: Chinese
Hawkins: Romani (not a nationality, but an ethnicity)
Urouge: Thai, I guess.
I thought Kidd would be Scottish, and Law is an awkward one XD
He could be German, Spanish, English or Russian @ A @
or Canadian.