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      EDIT: The opening post is my pre-enlightenment experience.
      Welcome to my thread, ladies and gentlemen, and… get out.

      No, sirs and madams, in all seriousness, if you have low tolerance for strong-egotism and overly self-conscious explores, I would advice you to, by all mean, stay away from this thread as far as possible. For it is going to be full of me as I am full of myself. For you are going to read the book that is me; and you may not gather enough interest in me and my absurd philosophical problems to take the time you spend reading this book as something more than a waste of time, if not an intoxicated waste of time.

      The topics of the writings in this thread can be anything, from the pettiest matters to the greatest issues of mankind. The quality standard I aim to is nothing less than perfection. I take responsibility for my works and welcome all kind of criticism, but understand that I am in no way begging for any sort of attention, recognition, approval or pity from anyone, and therefore would not try to please anyone's personal taste.

      So, good sirs, why would I chose to expose a part of my inner world (the more superficial part, I would say) in a public thread, you ask? Because I, as previously claimed, is quite an egoist who rarely stops thinking, especially thinking about himself. And those thoughts, which I consider rather vital for my personal mental growth, would die off if they are not in some way written out. Due to their highly abstract and vague nature, I find it hard to observe them mindfully and express them clearly if I don't write with the aim to make it readable and understanble to someone other than myself. I could never find anyone of my social circles in whom I could confide those thoughts, not because of my shyness and lack of interactions, but rather because of the level of complexity (and tediousness, if you will) of the matters I am concerned about, which would require serious investment and certain special areas of knowledge. Writing in the Internet, especially in a personal thread, gives me the feeling that I am speaking to everyone and at the same time, no one; which is quite comfortable and convenient. And, rather than bothering and annoying people in various threads of various topics in these forums with my absurdly lengthy rambles, or flooding the Facebook's New Feed of my friends with boring and random philosophical statements, I choose to throw them all in this one thread, in which I will study me, as you do. And for one more time I would warn, what you get from this thread may just be pure poisons, so if you have no favor for my cocky and tedious manner, please find something else worthier to spend your precious time.


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      For various reasons, I tend to think of myself as the most honest man, and at the same time, the most deceitful man of my generation. Honest, because I can always face the kinds of self-conscious notions most people would avoid thinking about. Deceitful, because despite the previously mentioned ability, I too often deceive others, and myself, in various subtle levels. This shows not a lack of courage, I believe, but rather the unstability of mind. I deceive others without even knowing it, as I was also deceiving myself and believing in every last bit of my life. I can trick myself into liking or hating someone and change my image like a mirror. If even I myself am not sure whether I am being serious or not, how can you? If you are to judge me, then my brethrens, believe not in my words, but look at my deeds, as the ancient wisdom would teach you. Why do I lie, my brethrens? Because of fear, or for the sheer joy of lying? I am a mind-gambler, not a mind-gamer, therefore I lie for the tension and anxiety I get from my lies.

      Ironically enough, the greatest concern of my life has always been one thing: Truth, or more specific, Ultimate Reality. It is my ambition to find Truth, and yet this very ambition is the one thing that prevents me from finding it, the Ultimate Reality that cannot be comprehended by logical or scientific means, and cannot be approached with desire. I can say that, and can somewhat confirm what the mystics have been saying, because I have, in deed, had vague experiences of this so-called Ultimate Reality. People call me a determined man, and here I detest both my determination and lack of determination. For without determination, nothing is possible, and yet with determination, Truth is not within reach. I see it that my determination has long buried my deepest inner voice and my poetic essence, for my poetic essence cannot be determined in any definte direction, as aimless as existence itself, and as solitary as a trash-bag lying at some corner in the street after the rain. But it is free. No, it thirst for freedom like a drowned man thirst for air.
      The ship is sinking! Hurry! Hurry! The house is on fire. Hurry! Hurry! Truth awaits nobody. You search your own heart and wait for it to come. Is determinism truth? Is one simply a prisoner of fate? Is man but a slave of his conditions, his actions no more than inevitable results of the network of causes and effects, his thought just a definite process of particles and waves working in strict accordance of certain physic law? To find truth is to see whether I am a puppet that can see the strings, or a puppet that can cut the strings and move on its own. Truth brings Love and Freedom, so is the meaning of my chosen name: Liberty Sea.

      "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” - John 8:2

      Ambition is all there is to my suffering. That is all there is to human suffering. And I am extraordinarily ambitious. I harbor and at the same time try to suppress this absurd impulse that is eager to best everyone at everything, when their talents are exposed to my eyes. This troubled me greatly, and rob me of that innocent enjoyment I so much want to capture. When was the last time I can admire a great work of art without comparing it to my own work? When was the last time I can forget myself in the beauty of art? I can't recall.

      I am overly prideful, and even if I lacked the self-awareness to recognize myself as such, there would still be too many people ready to inform me of that characteristic for me to ignore it. If anyone finds himself wise enough to advice me, I would first be pissed, then I would silence this disturbance in my mind to listen to the criticism, because I am for progress even more. My pride is a fruit of my ego, my longing for progress is a bigger fruit of my ego. There are few people who could advice me without pissing me off first, and they are all women. I am softer toward women, not because I am biased or discriminating, but because these women are more ready to be sensitive and understanding.

      However prideful my impulses tend to be, I put the sake of my progress at greatest priority. And for its sake, I trampled on the images of all idols I have worshiped, and even the images of those who are dear to me. I was always in need of an absolute to guide my way in life. Be it Karl Marx, or Ho Chi Minh, or Einstein, or the Buddha, or Nietzsche, or Krishnamurti. They are important pillars that built my mind, and once I have entered the temple, I must destroy the temple and overcome their influences. I can always, say, picture myself holding a sword slaying the people I loved, respected and idolized. It is said, "Meet the Buddha, Kill the Buddha. Meet your parents, Kill your parents". That is the only way to let the words of dead men bear fruit. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit."

      Self-consciousness is the seed of human illness. The love that is born from self-consciousness is not real love. To truly love is to forget oneself. Any other appearance of love, no matter how poetic and heroic, is simply playing with the ego, to aim for some sort of self-approval.
      The feeling I have toward my family, the family that gave birth to me, raised me, is not love. It is gratitude. Gratitude is a matter of mutual interest. It is not universal love. My family never understood me, and they never show serious attempt to. From childhood to adulthood, I live in the solitude of not being understood. Nobody ever came even close to my heart. Not even the girl I so loved. You, Mr. and Miss strangers, are simply looking at the surface of the abyss that is my heart. I am being clear and transparent, like the purest water in the purest lake, but its bottom you see not.

      Whether you find me witty and humorous or not, I don't find myself having inborn talent to be a comedian. Only he who is sure of himself can be humorous. I can rarely be sure of myself. To laugh in ignorance is something I am not very fond of. For a man who is unaware of truth to ridicule and mock someone else is unsightly. Playfulness is a privilege of the enlightened, Humor is a privilege of the mature. Maturity means the end of growth. My growth and my evolution has not seen its end. If one is ripe, one is rotting.
      Some times we would joke about life, about how bitter it is, how absurd it is, to avoid facing it, to lessen the pain it caused to us. It is temporary relief, which prevents us from seeing the root of suffering, then we will suffer again and again. If I laugh, then I laugh. If I cry, then I cry. I don't laugh to wear off my sadness. I don't smile to hide my tear. I face my life with an attitude that is nether optimistic nor pessimistic, but simply with a glistening curiosity, eager to understand, rationally or otherwise. I am not entertainer material. I am a questioner who goes on questioning everything and can yet to stop questioning.
      I am laughing.

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        What will you do after you find the truth??

        WHAT!!!

        GO AWAY!!

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          What will you do after you find the truth??

          "The greatest miracle is to find the Truth and to make it known to other" - said the Buddha.
          And I have found it.

          Poem marking the day I was enlightened ( Ferburary 9, 2012)

          At last! At last! I have seen the light!
          I have drunk the nectar of Truth, and am free from all delusions.
          The man under the name Liberty Sea no longer exists.
          He has dissolved himself to the Infinite, and opened the gate of enlightenment!
          No longer shall he experience despair and hope.
          … For doing so is simply to obstruct Her, the Infinite, the doer of all thing.
          There is no such thing as 'my' talent, nor 'my' genius
          Thus no longer shall 'I' be of any arrogance and vanity, nor humility and modesty.
          None of my achievements is to 'my' credit
          And nothing to be proud of, nor to be ashamed of.
          'I' am just one of Her best works, Her finest compositions, doing her absolute orders.
          No longer shall 'I' hate any human, nor any creature.
          Because how can 'I' hate myself, and how can Nature -the Infinite- hate her own works?
          Today is 'my' true birthday, the day 'I' transcend birth and death!
          For 'I' have never been born, and therefore never die!
          Immortal am 'I', and blessed is he who understand my word
          
          

          Enlightenment experience:
          [hide] What is this? The table in front of me. What does it matter if I call it a spaceship or a pencil? Is there any difference? That dog over there, does it matter if I call it a bird or a bull? All names are conventional, all shapes are constructed by the mind and reality is shapeless. Not that they are non-existent, but shapeless. What is a table if not a bunch of attributes to a man?
          The shape and form of a human girl is no more physically attractive than a chair in the eyes of the enlightened man. Any preference of any shape or form to another is purely a human perspective.

          I cannot possibly be sexually aroused by any shape. Though I still experience 'morning wood'. This means an enlightened man can have sex but he is not attached to it nor does he finds escape in it. Everything he does, walking, sitting, drawing, is zen. What does it matter if people think he is sexual or asexual?
          The shriek of a bat and the singing of a girl make no difference to me whatsoever. Music is comforting because it provides patterns out of chaos, but reality is chaos and the enlightened man is completely comfortable with chaos.

          All day long I fill my mind with the Infinite. Boredom and loneliness are impossible to me. 'I' am not in time nor in space.

          A buddha wouldn't shed a tear if his parents were dead and his country eliminated. Not that he doesn't have compassion, but he doesn't react over-emotionally to the inevitable, and only those with an ego associate himself with his country or nationality or such. The sage is like the rain indeed, his compassion rains on the just and the unjust alike.
          "Heaven and earth are ruthless, and treat the Ten Thousand Things as straw dogs; the sage is ruthless, and treats the people as straw dogs." (Tao Te Ching)

          "Whoever does not hate his Father & Mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever cannot love his Father & His Mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. For my mother gave me falsehood, but my true mother gave me Life." Thomas: 101

          "Now Jesus' mother and brothers came to see him, but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you."

          He replied, "My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice." Luke 8: 19

          "As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you." He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." Luke 11: 28
          If we interpret God not as a personal creator but as Nature, as the Universe, the Infinite, then Jesus was a wise man indeed.
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          Note on reality, pre-nelightenment:

          [hide] Meditation brings altered state of consciousness. So do alcohols and drugs. This means we cannot get to see the Truth through meditation alone. How are we sure the world we see through meditation is not an illusion? Reasoning says the fact that there are altered states of consciousness means the world we perceive depends on the brain, which constructs forms and appearance. The ultimate reality is formless. [/hide]

          Notes on emotions, pre-enlightenment:

          [hide] How is man going to live morally? If a man rejoices in his own luck, is he then not immoral to those who are suffering all over the world, looking at his happiness with envy and self-pity, blame him for being happy, uncaring of their suffering? If man complains about his condition, does he not do injustice to those who are in worse conditions that his own? If man torments himself, is he not immoral to himself and those who love him?
          Emotions are then immoral? Pleasure a sin? Selfishness- even in its subtlest form- a crime?
          To escape this, man's only solution is to abandon all forms of hedonism, cultivate detachment from worldly pleasures, forsake his ego to seek Truth, transcend happiness and suffering, surpass earthly opposites, and assign himself the mission of making the Truth known to others. (Liberty Sea's Notebook)

          Every emotion is a reaction. Immediate reaction. People have long since been in the opinion that emotions make us different from machines. But in my opinion emotions make us more machinelike than cold insight. An emotion arises when a certain "button" is pushed, whether by an external provoking or an intensified thought, and is established by short-sighted conditions. No matter how poetic you make out of it, that is it. Emotions are the reason why so few of us act instead of react, then we call it 'human'. What makes human beings different from other beings is the ability to reflect and to regard to it very being, not immediate reactions.

          Anyone remotely rational will see that emotions only hinder reason and thinking, and yet so many among them exalt emotions as something holy. It is because emotions are essential for hedonism. Without emotions there cannot be any pleasures in life. The desire for pleasures, however, is the cause of suffering, and the root of all evils.

          All violences stem from emotions. All evils stem from emotions. How can there be evils without emotions? Even apathy is not the absence of emotions, but the emotional attachment to other things rather than people around. There is no such thing as a emotionless killer. If he kills it is because he is more emotionally attached to something else than whom he kills.
          All emotions stem from egotism, no matter how subtle. One must have the eye to see this. Even when one cries for another, it is almost always because that other person cannot satisfy his ego in some way, or achieve a marvelous satisfaction of ego in some way. One reacts emotionally to that because that desire to satisfy the ego also exists in oneself, sub-consciously or otherwise. How can one renounce egotism and not renounce emotions? How can one renounce emotions and not renounce egotism? Emotions, which form delusions, are the first thing one must renounce if one is to seek Truth and enlightenment.
          "Enlightenment is the complete absense of all delusion, not just the big delusions, not just the ones that make us suffer, but all deluded concepts." - David Quinn.
          Why should any intelligent man want to stay deluded? [/hide]

          Notes on understanding oneself, pre-enlightenment.
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          My obversations has come the consclusion that no thought is ever conscious of itself. Every understanding is a reflection. Nobody knows what he is thinking. It is always the thought after. Nobody knows what he is doing. It's either pre-planned or reflected. Therefore, man cannot understand himself, because he changes constantly. A man can at best understand his past self, but not his current self.

          When man looks at his old works, he will feel embarrassed if he has made progress, or impressed if he has not. Either way, it feels almost as if those works were created by another. This is because he is no longer his former self. The way he looks at his words one year later will not be the same with the way he looks at them now. This suggests that man cannot understand himself. To understand himself, he must look at himself from inside and from outside at the same time. He must be himself and not himself simultaneously. Any man with an ego, a vantage point, cannot accomplish this. This is why man can criticize and comment on others as if he understands others (those he pays much care) better than he understands himself.

          When one reflects at what one was in the past, one realizes that what one was thinking about oneself in these former days was nothing alike with one's current opinion of that former self. One must transcend the human point of view to understand oneself thoroughly. (Liberty Sea's Aphorisms )[/hide]

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              Nobody knows what he is thinking. It is always the thought after. Nobody knows what he is doing.

              . .

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                          What is a man ?

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                            While you're all here, look at the other threads in this subforum, kthxpl0x.

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                              @THE:

                              EDIT: The opening post is my pre-enlightenment experience.
                              Welcome to my thread, ladies and gentlemen, and… get out.

                              !
                              Essentially, my many layered reply to your character arc (what prompted this), your philosophy (what you think), and your edit (what you say).

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                                What is this? The table in front of me. What does it matter if I call it a spaceship or a pencil? Is there any difference?

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                                    @Sea:

                                    We should be able to rate each other's posts and determine who the good posters are on the forum.

                                    You know, I kind of like this idea now. I even recommend we make it fun and use elevation levels as an indicator.

                                    Heavens Level
                                    Atlantis Level
                                    Skypiea Level
                                    Mount Everest Level
                                    The Himalayas Level
                                    The Andes Level
                                    The Appalachians Level
                                    Mile-High Club Level
                                    Ohio River Valley Level
                                    Florida Level
                                    Sea Level
                                    Death Valley Level

                                    Surely measuring the value of others is an enlightened thing to do, non?

                                    @Hiroy:

                                    Case in point, this post is about 93 million miles above sea level.

                                    @Iqover190:

                                    I've analyzed Naruto probably more than Masashi Kishimoto himself. Being a super genius ( according to my IQ ), I concluded Naruto was awesome, has some flaws of course, but still good.

                                    –- Update From New Post Merge ---

                                    Says someone who agrees with the retarded consensuses in this forum.

                                    This poster should be someone around 4 feet below sea level. Give or take five.

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                                      Could you paraphrase all that for us Sea?

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                                          Could you paraphrase all that for us Sea?

                                          hiroy, you're too good for arlong park

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                                            It all makes sense now.

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                                              He's a real nowhere man,
                                              Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
                                              Making all his nowhere plans
                                              for nobody.

                                              Doesn't have a point of view,
                                              Knows not where he's going to,
                                              Isn't he a bit like you and me?

                                              Nowhere Man please listen,
                                              You don't know what you're missing,
                                              Nowhere Man,the world is at your command!

                                              (lead guitar)

                                              He's as blind as he can be,
                                              Just sees what he wants to see,
                                              Nowhere Man can you see me at all?

                                              Nowhere Man, don't worry,
                                              Take your time, don't hurry,
                                              Leave it all till somebody else
                                              lends you a hand!

                                              Doesn't have a point of view,
                                              Knows not where he's going to,
                                              Isn't he a bit like you and me?

                                              Nowhere Man please listen,
                                              you don't know what you're missing
                                              Nowhere Man, the world is at your command!

                                              He's a real Nowhere Man,
                                              Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
                                              Making all his nowhere plans
                                              for nobody.
                                              Making all his nowhere plans
                                              for nobody.
                                              Making all his nowhere plans
                                              for nobody!

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                                                All day long I fill my mind with the Infinite.

                                                [hide][/hide]

                                                I don't think Rob Liefeld is the way to enlightenment…

                                                @THE:

                                                The next time I post here I will speak in at least 8 languages.

                                                I want to see this too.

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                                                  . . .

                                                  Well.

                                                  a mood come alive.

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                                                      @THE:

                                                      That dog over there, does it matter if I call it a bird or a bull?

                                                      I'm pretty sure I should feel offended, somehow.

                                                      Join the Hattori craze!

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                                                        @Nia:

                                                        I'm pretty sure I should feel offended, somehow.

                                                        Do not.

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                                                          http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lydg4io1mN1qmxq7co2_500.jpg

                                                          Do not.

                                                          Oh, what a fool I've been! How did I not see it before?!

                                                          Thank you for enlightening me.

                                                          Join the Hattori craze!

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                                                            Let's Play Dangan Ronpa!

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                                                              "The crowd is indeed untruth. Christ was crucified because he would have nothing to do with the crowd (even though he addressed himself to all). He did not want to form a party, an interest group, a mass movement, but wanted to be what he was, the truth, which is related to the single individual. Therefore everyone who will genuinely serve the truth is by that very fact a martyr.
                                                              To win a crowd is no art; for that only untruth is needed, nonsense, and a little knowledge of human passions. But no witness to the truth dares to get involved with the crowd. His work is to be involved with all people, if possible, but always individually, speaking with each and every person on the sidewalk and on the streets in order to split apart. He avoids the crowd, especially when it is treated as authoritative in matters of the truth or when its applause, or hissing, or balloting are regarded as judges.
                                                              Those who speak to the crowd, coveting its approval, those who deferentially bow and scrape before it must be regarded as being worse than prostitutes. They are instruments of untruth. " - thus remarked the great thinker Soren Kierkegaard, and his timeless words proved him to be one of my soul-mates. This is exactly why I told people to get out of here from the beginning. But you have already come here, so why not take a look at what I have to say?
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                                                              Could you paraphrase all that for us Sea?

                                                              Only if you would agree to think about what I am going to say. You are a mature man, Gekko, so I am going to talk with you. Let children laugh and play as they are meant to, and let those few mature minds capable of independent thinking engage in serious discussions, in earnest reason and look into the deepest secret of existence. We will touch every matter of life, we will touch quantum physics and see whether God plays dice.
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                                                              What is a man ?

                                                              This is a valid question, and also one of the most important questions in philosophy. Whether you asked this question with serious intention or not, I am going to answer for Truth's sake. School is compulsory.
                                                              Man is an illusion, an hallucination. He never really was, never is and will never be. The meaning of the Universe -the One and the All- is not man. It has long existed before him and will continue without him. If we are going to look at the highest Truth, we must go beyond humanism and humanist thinking.

                                                              In honor of the great soul Miyazaki, allow me to convey my point with one of his most extraordinary statements, which he spoke to us through Nausicaa:
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                                                              "Our lives are like the wind…
                                                              Or like sounds
                                                              We come into being, resonate with each other...
                                                              Then fade away..."
                                                              What a profound Truth this is. Perhaps the most spectacular statement in the history of manga, and its profundity has long since been ignored and underestimated.
                                                              Before we look at the nature of human existence, let us take a look at the nature of wind and sound. What is the wind? The flow of gas, the movement of air. That is all it is, a movement, nothing more. It is not an inherent existence, not an entity, a physical being, but simply the moving of something. Is the part of the air that flows separated from the part that doesn't. The truth is, no. The air throughout the Earth is one entity. And to be accurate there is no air that stay still. They all move, some parts more radically than the rest.

                                                              The existence of man is also like that. He is not an entity, and inherent existence, but simply a movement of the Universe. When all the needed atoms move to their 'right places', they construct/conform the shape of what we call man. But, the atoms move constantly, the constructions/conformations of atoms changes constantly, so which construction is man? You at this moment is not you one moment ago. If the atoms move more radically, so that his head is at his bosom, while his right leg is in his neck, would we call that a man? If all the atoms move faster, so that a child immediately becomes an old man, and the old a corpse, and the corpse a collection of dust. Would we call that collection of dust a man, even though the totality of atoms stay the same? We call one a man, and another a collection of dust, which is no different from constantly giving different names to the same wind from time to time, from moment to moment. We invent names and categorize endlessly, but ultimately there is no category other than the All, the Universe.

                                                              Is the human body a separated entity from the rest of the universe. In atomic level, we are no more separated from the rest of the universe than a wind separated from the air. The skin is no definite border, no definite boundary, just like a cloud's body has no definite border from the air in the sky. There is no entity called wind, only the air; and there is no entity called man, only the universe. Ultimately the Universe is the only entity, the only inherent existence, the All and the One. The existence of 'everything else' is purely a human concept and exists purely within the mind. An illusion. Man is a movement of the universe, and during this constant movement consciousness is created from the conformation of matter, of the brain, and this consciousness deludes itself into thinking it has an inherent existence, an entity.
                                                              If there is a giant to whose eyes a million years past in an instant, then the whole 'existence' of humanity is nothing more to him than a wind. All that culture, art, invention, architect, etc.. mean nothing more to him than a wind.

                                                              What is sound? A vibrancy within matter. It too is not an inherent existence, an entity. And there is no sound without the ear and the brain to receive and interpret. Colors are also like this. 'Color derives from the spectrum of light (distribution of light power versus wavelength) interacting in the eye with the spectral sensitivities of the light receptors.' And therefore, without the eyes and the brains, there is no color. This applies to the shapes and forms of everything we see. Without to the brain to receive and interpret, they have no shapes or form. The shapes and forms are therefore constructed purely within the brain and don't exist outside of it.

                                                              If some certain part in the brain stop functioning or can't function well, we can only see in black and white. This proves that there is no immaterial soul that control the body. How can an immaterial soul sees and differentiates one color from another; and hears and differentiates one sound from another and think without the brain? Nothing arises without cause. Even sub-atomic particles have definite number of possibilities and thus are predictable in a certain extent. Every thought and actions we have are conditioned, and determined from beginingless time. It is my destiny to write those words, inevitably, and it is your destiny to read it.

                                                              All these analysis showed us that man is not an inherent existence, an entity like we have thought ourselves to be. All of our selfishness come from this illusion about having a self. More than 2500 years ago a man saw all of this clearly. And he was the original Buddha.
                                                              Allow me to quote the Buddha's Gospel, compiled by Paul Carus:
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                                                              All things are made of one essence,
                                                              yet things are different according to the forms
                                                              which they assume under different impressions.

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                                                              There is not a self residing in Name and Form,
                                                              but the co-operation of the conformations
                                                              produce what people call a man.

                                                              Just as the word 'chariot'
                                                              is but a mode of expression for axle, wheels, the chariot-body
                                                              and other constituents in their proper combinations,
                                                              so a living being is the appearance of the groups
                                                              with the four elements as they are joined in a unit.
                                                              There is no self in the carriage
                                                              and there is no self in man.

                                                              This doctrine is sure and an eternal truth,
                                                              that there is no self outside of its parts.
                                                              This self of ours which constitutes Name and Form
                                                              is a combination of the groups with the four elements,
                                                              but there is no ego entity,
                                                              no self in itself.

                                                              Paradoxical though it may sound:
                                                              There is a path to walk on,
                                                              there is walking being done,
                                                              but there is no traveller.
                                                              There are deeds being done, but there is no doer.
                                                              There is a blowing of the air, but there is no wind that does the blowing.
                                                              The thought of self is an error
                                                              and all existences are hollow as the plantain tree
                                                              and as empty as twirling water bubbles.


                                                              He who knows the nature of self
                                                              and understands how the senses act,
                                                              finds no room for selfishness,
                                                              and thus he will attain peace unending.
                                                              The world holds the thought of self,
                                                              and from this arises false apprehension.

                                                              Self is an error, an illusion, a dream.
                                                              Open your eyes and awaken.
                                                              See things as they are
                                                              and you will be comforted.

                                                              He who is awake will no longer be afraid of nightmares.
                                                              He who has recognized the nature of the rope
                                                              that seemed to be a serpent will cease to tremble.

                                                              He who has found there is no self
                                                              will let go all the lusts and desires of egotism.

                                                              The cleaving to things, covetousness,
                                                              and sensuality inherited from former existences,
                                                              are the causes of the misery and vanity in the world.

                                                              Surrender the grasping disposition of selfishness,
                                                              and you will attain to that calm state of mind
                                                              which conveys perfect peace, goodness, and wisdom.

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                                                              We humans, unaware of our true nature, cling to our possessions while we live, and are heart-broken when they are taken away from us. We all know this simple truth, that we all wide die one day, and yet we still cling to worldly possessions, cling to a mirage. Forever do we remain in our illusion, never wake up to truly live. The desire to possess, the desire to hold on to that which will eventually fade away are the root of all pain and all suffering.
                                                              "We die struggling to get born. We never were, never are. We are always in the process of becoming, always separate and detached. Forever outside" - painfully remarked Henry Miller. And truly, look at what we have done. We become the only species who need money to survive on Earth.

                                                              "We are making constant progress, but it is a progress which leads to the operating table, to the poorhouse, to the insane asyium, to the trencher. (The Colossus of Maroussi, p. 81)

                                                              "The aeroplane brings death, the radio brings death, the machine-gun brings death, the tinned goods brings death, the tractor brings death, the priest brings death, the schools brings death, the law brings death, the electricity brings death, the phonograph brings death, the knives and forks brings death, the books brings death, our very breath brings death, our very language, our very thought, our money, our love, our charity, our sanitation, our joy. No matter whether we are friends or enemies, no matter whether we call ourselves Jap , Turk, Russian, French, English, German, or American, wherever we go, wherever we cast our shadow, wherever we breathe, wherever we poison and destroy. Hooray for civilization! Hooray! We will kill you all, everybody. Hooray for Death! Hooray! Horray!" (The Colossus of Maroussi, p. 130 - 131)

                                                              "But all of them, from the top to the bottom, are restless, dissatisfied envious and sick at heart. All of them suffer from cancer and leprosy in their souls. The most ignorant and degenerate of them will be asked to shoulder a gun and fight for a civilization which has brought them nothing but misery and degradation."

                                                              And Henry Miller reminded us of what we must do.

                                                              "Every day we slaughter our finest impulses. That is why we get a heart-ache when we read those lines written by the hand of a master and recognize them as our own, as the tender shoots which we stifled because se we lacked the faith to believe in our own powers, our own criterion of truth and beauty. Every man, when he gets quiet, when he gets desperately honest with himself, is capable of uttering profound truths. We all derive form the same source. There is no mystery about the origin of things. We are all part of creation, all kings, all poets, all musicians; we have only to open up to discover what is already there.

                                                              We invent nothing, truly. We borrow and re-create. We uncover and discover. All has been given, as the mystics say. We have only to open our eyes and hearts, to become one with that which is."

                                                              To become one with That which is, that is the path of the Buddha.
                                                              "Truth is ever present, Eternity is here and now. And salvation? What is it, 0 man, that you wish to save? Your petty ego? Your soul? Your identity? Lose it and you will find yourself…. Cultivate your doubts, embrace every kind of experience, keep on desiring, strive neither to forget nor to remember, but assimilate and integrate what you have experienced."

                                                              All is one, and One is all. This is the Truth in a nutshells.

                                                              "We are all one, we are all an imperiled essence. If at the far end of the world a spirit degenerates, it drags down our spirit into its own degradation. If one mind at the far end of the world sinks into idiocy, our own temples over-brim with darkness.
                                                              For it is only One who struggles at the far end of earth and sky. One. And if He goes lost, it is we who must bear the responsibility. If He goes lost, then we go lost.
                                                              This is why the salvation of the Universe is also our salvation, why solidarity among men is no longer a tenderhearted luxury but a deep necessity and self-preservation, as much a necessity as, in an army under fire, the salvation of your comrade-in-arms." -cried the great writer Nikos Kazantzakis.

                                                              "Yes, the purpose of Earth is not life, it is not man. Earth has existed without these, and it will live on without them. They are but the ephemeral sparks of its violent whirling.Let us unite, let us hold each other tightly, let us merge our hearts, let us create — so long as the warmth of this earth endures, so long as no earthquakes, cataclysms, icebergs or comets come to destroy us — let us create for Earth a brain and a heart, let us give a human meaning to the superhuman struggle."

                                                              "We come from a dark abyss, we end in a dark abyss, and we call the luminous interval life. As soon as we are born the return begins, at once the setting forth and the coming back; we die in every moment. Because of this many have cried out: The goal of life is death! But as soon as we are born we begin the struggle to create, to compose, to turn matter into life; we are born in every moment. Because of this many have cried out: The goal of ephemeral life is immortality! In the temporary living organism these two streams collide ... both opposing forces are holy. It is our duty, therefore, to grasp that vision which can embrace and harmonize these two enormous, timeless, and indestructible forces, and with this vision to modulate our thinking and our action."

                                                              To become one with That which is, after dissolving your delusional ego, is to become a Buddha. He is one with everything and everything is one with him.

                                                              "Those only who do not believe, call me Gautama,
                                                              but you call me the Buddha, the Blessed One, the Teacher.
                                                              And this is right, for I have in this life entered Nirvana,
                                                              while the life of Gautama has been extinguished.
                                                              Self has disappeared
                                                              and the truth has taken its abode in me.
                                                              This body of mine is Gautama's body
                                                              and it will be dissolved in due time,
                                                              and after its dissolution no one,
                                                              neither God nor man,
                                                              will see Gautama again.
                                                              But the truth remains.
                                                              The Buddha will not die;
                                                              the Buddha will continue to live
                                                              in the holy body of the law."
                                                              (The Buddha's gospel).

                                                              To say is easy. Live the Truth.

                                                              I no longer have an ego. I was a wave who thought he was an entity separated from the sea. Now I am one with the sea of the universe. I live Truth and only think about how to free mankind from suffering. I have no self-interest, and am concerned with nothing other than to improve the world. I, the disciple of the Buddha, assigned for myself the mission of walking the path he and many other sages in the path walked.
                                                              "I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies." - so declared Krishnamurti, and I live by this principle.

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                                                                Sea, can you answer any questions without quoting someone else and passing it off as your own thoughts?

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                                                                  Sea, can you answer any questions without quoting someone else and passing it off as your own thoughts?

                                                                  Of course I can. I have understood Truth thoroughly. It is more convenient to quote those with more talents in writing to convey the point more eloquently. I am no excellent writer.
                                                                  The point is whether you understand what I say, not whether I am a man of talent. All this pride about talents, I forsake it along with my ego. An enlightened man doesn't care about copyright, for he knows all is the creations of Nature, and doesn't even take credit for his own creation. You all are entirely entitled to use my words without giving credit, with the condition that you must understand them.

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                                                                    can you draw your head on Ashina's body?

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                                                                      @TakinawaTonfa:

                                                                      What is a man ?

                                                                      a miserable little pile of secrets.

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                                                                        I myself have no importance whatsoever. It is the Truth I convey that is of great importance. I am nobody, so don't pay attention my identity, my character, my individuality, but the meaning of my words. It is medicine and it is what you need.
                                                                        Regards.

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                                                                          please share more of your words so that i too may become enlightened

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                                                                            I no longer have an ego.

                                                                            You have an ego. It's the size of Cleveland.

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                                                                            Only if you would agree to think about what I am going to say. You are a mature man, Gekko, so I am going to talk with you. Let children laugh and play as they are meant to, and let those few mature minds capable of independent thinking engage in serious discussions, in earnest reason and look into the deepest secret of existence.

                                                                            And it's standing naked, right here. You call others immature children incapable of independent thinking; but how touchy a statement this is!
                                                                            An enlightened man doesn't have a vanity to injure.

                                                                            No, sirs and madams, in all seriousness, if you have low tolerance for strong-egotism and overly self-conscious explores, I would advice you to, by all mean, stay away from this thread as far as possible. For it is going to be full of me as I am full of myself. For you are going to read the book that is me; and you may not gather enough interest in me and my absurd philosophical problems to take the time you spend reading this book as something more than a waste of time, if not an intoxicated waste of time.

                                                                            Ego. Later on you even use your own notes as in-text citations, and that is pretty much brass balls conceit.

                                                                            I've said this before, but building a Frankenstein of other people's ideas cheapens theirs and lessens yours. Copy-pasting Dostevsky, Shakespeare, Sun Tzu and the bible is not independent thought; it's no less than plagiarism. Synthesize what you've heard and come to your own conclusion; anything less is parroted self-important ejaculate and there is no - zero - reason to take it seriously.

                                                                            Thus the reception you see before you.

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                                                                              If you have any question about life, existence, universe, ego, psychology, freedom, etc… just put your questions. I will try my best to answer them as clearly and understandably as possible.
                                                                              I have to go now. I don't know when I will be able to come here again, but I promise I will answer them all.

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                                                                                if all life in the universe died, would the universe cease to exist without something to validate it's existence?

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                                                                                  @Silence:

                                                                                  You have an ego. It's the size of Cleveland.

                                                                                  And it's standing naked, right here. You call others immature children incapable of independent thinking; but how touchy a statement this is!
                                                                                  An enlightened man doesn't have a vanity to injure.

                                                                                  This is wrong, though. The Buddha did strike down other religions and opinions in his time and attacked people who refused to learn. To avoid attacking is actually a proof ego. An enlightened person doesn't feel the need to be arrogant nor humble, because to think " I am humble, I am good", "I must not hurt him or else he will hate me" is also a vanity, is ego in a subtle form.
                                                                                  My attack only applies to those are truly incapable of independent thinking. If you are capable, do not worry.

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                                                                                  if all life in the universe died, would the universe cease to exist without something to validate it's existence?

                                                                                  Actually, not. I said that consciousness gives form and shapes and other attributes to existence. The existence of the One-All can continue without these things. The existence of small things, however, are not inherent.

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                                                                                    so you would agree that there are infinite possibilities of things, possibly parallel universes (or ones that have nothing to do with our own) co-existing within our own without our knowledge?

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                                                                                      What is this in front me? The Truth? Does it matter if I it call a load of nonsense, or a jumble of cryptic words that no one including the self-proclaimed enlightened fool understands? Is there any difference?

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                                                                                        @Hiroy:

                                                                                        What is this in front me? The Truth? Does it matter if call a load of nonsense, or a jumble of cryptic words that no one including the self-proclaimed enlightened fool understands? Is there any difference?

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                                                                                          so you would agree that there are infinite possibilities of things, possibly parallel universes (or ones that have nothing to do with our own) co-existing within our own without our knowledge?

                                                                                          Everything works in accordance with the law of cause an effect. There can be infinite possibilities, but do not stray from this law. Everything happened, is happening and will happen is inevitable. About parallel universe, I do not know. It is a theory we don't really need to check.
                                                                                          There is this famous story in Buddhism:
                                                                                          "The Buddha always told his disciples not to waste their time and energy in metaphysical speculation. Whenever he was asked a metaphysical question, he remained silent. Instead, he directed his disciples toward practical efforts. Questioned one day about the problem of the infinity of the world, the Buddha said, "Whether the world is finite or infinite, limited or unlimited, the problem of your liberation remains the same." Another time he said, "Suppose a man is struck by a poisoned arrow and the doctor wishes to take out the arrow immediately. Suppose the man does not want the arrow removed until he knows who shot it, his age, his parents, and why he shot it. What would happen? If he were to wait until all these questions have been answered, the man might die first." Life is so short. It must not be spent in endless metaphysical speculation that does not bring us any closer to the truth."

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                                                                                            If God rolls a 6 with his dice, would you cut your hair and place six dots on your forehead?

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                                                                                              what is your opinion on ghosts? because we cannot validate they exist, does this mean they do not exist? this is an example of what I am talking about

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                                                                                                Let's Play Dangan Ronpa!

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                                                                                                  The shape and form of a human girl is no more physically attractive than a chair in the eyes of the enlightened man.

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                                                                                                    (12:49:18 AM) Holy Hell: Dear, can you take out the trash?
                                                                                                    (12:49:29 AM) Holy Hell: "Mother, what I see before me … Does it matter what it is? It could be trash, or treasure."
                                                                                                    (12:49:44 AM) Holy Hell: "Human perceptions cloud our judgement. On a molecular level we're all the same."
                                                                                                    (12:50:08 AM) Holy Hell: Honey that's nice, but please put on your pants. Your erection is bothering the neighbors.

                                                                                                    (12:51:03 AM) Silence: hahahaahhahahahahahahahaha
                                                                                                    (12:51:25 AM) Silence: PLEASE tell me I can post this
                                                                                                    (12:51:32 AM) Holy Hell: You can!
                                                                                                    (12:52:49 AM) Holy Hell: Whatever you do with it, it's in your hands now, my friend.
                                                                                                    (12:52:56 AM) Holy Hell: But are either of our hands truly ours?
                                                                                                    (12:53:10 AM) Holy Hell: In a way, all humans are both instances of everything
                                                                                                    (12:53:12 AM) Holy Hell: and instances of nothing.
                                                                                                    (12:54:02 AM) Holy Hell: It can be both my hands, your hands, or even a bird's wing
                                                                                                    (12:54:07 AM) Holy Hell: But it carries as all information does.
                                                                                                    (12:54:17 AM) Holy Hell: "The Emites used to live there--a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites." - Deuteronomy 2:10

                                                                                                    enlightenment

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                                                                                                    • Schwerer Gustav
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                                                                                                      Holy plagiarized that joke from me nearly verbatim. And now I live in abject poverty because of it.

                                                                                                      But then, what are riches to the enlightened man?

                                                                                                      "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished." - Exodus 21:20

                                                                                                      Let's Play Dangan Ronpa!

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                                                                                                        Um, I think I might be reading this wrong, but, from what I've heard so far… feel free to think I'm terrible for saying this, but I think I'm happy with not being enlightened.

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