Togashi get your shit together, man.
Hunter x Hunter II
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Question for a possible good discussion:
If HXH were to never come back, if Ging and Gon meeting with the promise of more adventures for everyone in the future (unresolved plot points, the dark continent, etc) was where the manga ended, what is the legacy HXH leaves to the world of manga? Where does it rank among its peers?
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Question for a possible good discussion:
If HXH were to never come back, if Ging and Gon meeting with the promise of more adventures for everyone in the future (unresolved plot points, the dark continent, etc) was where the manga ended, what is the legacy HXH leaves to the world of manga? Where does it rank among its peers?
It's a decent open ending.
Except that he then did that last chapter that spoils it all.
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A bit of a lackluster ending. None of the main 4 aside from Gon had full closure to their stories. For that matter none of the villians either. Not the worst ending, but not really satisfactory either. Just too many unfinished plots. I personally will just always think of Togashi as "that lazy manga author."
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A bit of a lackluster ending. None of the main 4 aside from Gon had full closure to their stories. For that matter none of the villians either. Not the worst ending, but not really satisfactory either. Just too many unfinished plots. I personally will just always think of Togashi as "that lazy manga author."
Have to agree, that would be quite the cop out.
I mean at least have the Kurapika and Chrollo+Hisoka thing resolved.
After that I could live with Leorio went on becoming a doctor being of no more significance, Killua dedicating his life to his sister was the thing he wants to do and Gon met his father.
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A bit of a lackluster ending. None of the main 4 aside from Gon had full closure to their stories. For that matter none of the villians either. Not the worst ending, but not really satisfactory either. Just too many unfinished plots. I personally will just always think of Togashi as "that lazy manga author."
Still beats all characters smiling and waving ending. (like in Kenshin anime)
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Oda doesn't go to parties. Come on. He doesn't have a life.
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Still beats all characters smiling and waving ending. (like in Kenshin anime)
That happened in Kenshin? I thought that was Evangelion's ending.
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That happened in Kenshin? I thought that was Evangelion's ending.
Oh, it still CAN. theres one more movie if I'm not mistaken : P
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That happened in Kenshin? I thought that was Evangelion's ending.
If you're talking of anime, than is similar, clapping your hands and saying Omedetou(Congratulations). I think they were talking about the manga endings and Evangelion manga had a really great ending.
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Question for a possible good discussion:
If HXH were to never come back, if Ging and Gon meeting with the promise of more adventures for everyone in the future (unresolved plot points, the dark continent, etc) was where the manga ended, what is the legacy HXH leaves to the world of manga? Where does it rank among its peers?
This might sound g*y but it's gonna feel like being optimistic your GF's gonna stay even though your relationship is on the rocks, then one day she just gives up and disappears without a trace. Then the next day, you'll feel normal like nothing happened. LOLZ!
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Oda doesn't go to parties. The parties come to Oda.
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Still beats all characters smiling and waving ending. (like in Kenshin anime)
That's better than the ending where Kenshin dies of leprosy.
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Excellent episode this week! Gon pissed off animation is amazing, specially the eyes at the end of the episode.
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Possibly the best fucking episode of the series thus far.
Still beats all characters smiling and waving ending. (like in Kenshin anime)
The anime was cancelled before the Enishi Arc, which is why it had a lackluster ending. The real ending is actually pretty good with Kenshin and has family enjoying peaceful times.
That's better than the ending where Kenshin dies of leprosy.
It wasn't leprosy, or any known disease. Also it wasn't canon since it was done by the writers and producers of the OVA. Watsuki actually didn't care for their ending and I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines of "Kenshin went through all that crap in his life and they just killed him off."
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That episode was amazing.
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So much justice done, over and beyond, etc. The main thing I was impressed on was how very close they kept Gon's facial expressions, which were quite transformative, and added way more depth to them. All killer, no filler. Exactly what I was hoping for. Easy pick for top 3 best episodes of television I've ever seen. Not to start a debate on that; I watch mostly comedies.
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WOW, I remember reading and not thinking to much about that scene, but with the anime it hit me hard.
Gon mental state make no sense at all! You would think that somebody with is mentality and that sees death all the time wouldn't react to such extremes.
Killua tell him that he is a killer. Ah, OK. Sees Killua killing a lot of people. Ah, OK. Sees Hisoka killing a lot of people and doing creepy things. Respects the guy and want to fight him. Sees other fuck up stuff. Nothing really. Sees the guy that hurt Kaito. Goes totally insane. It looked totally different person(maybe he is bipolar or he has dual personality?).First, Kaito wasn't even somebody that close. He saw him one time when he was young and then with Killua. Pratically he knows Kaito as much as Killua.
Second, him, Killua and Kaito were killing Ants left and right right before Neferpitou killed Kaito. Being angry and wanting revenge is one thing, going ape shit crazy is another totally different. If it was his Aunt I would understand, given that she isn't a fighter so basically a civilian and because he grow up with her. And he is hypocrite and have lack of empathy, So My best friend kills people left and right and I believe he is a good guy or at least has a lot of good feelings, but I can't believe a killer can't have not even one of those feelings, really?
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So, you're saying that if you go to war and a friend of yours killed, you'll be like meh, he deserved it. Cool.
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So, you're saying that if you go to war and a friend of yours killed, you'll be like meh, he deserved it. Cool.
Being angry and wanting revenge is one thing, going ape shit crazy is another totally different.
- Depends of how close you and your friend are. Gon only knew Kaito for a short period of time.
- Depends on your personality. Gon doesn't really cares about life, or at least understood the circumstances that people died, didn't thought they were shocking nor unfair and he didn't put prejudice against killers. At that time they were trying to annihilate the Ants, and killing a lot of them, is not normal for the Ants to try and kill them?
- Depends on when and in what situation he died. If you are in a war you're prepared to die and for someone close to you to die. Probably if your friend is killed you want revenge you don't turn ape crazy against your enemy(but that depends on the personality of the person and in what he expects of a war. If you a person that think that you go to war and everything will always be OK, than when your friend dies of course it will be a huge shock).
Note: For Gon Kaito didn't died! So … more reason to be more sane.
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It's not only what Pitou did to Kite. Gon got really mad when Pitou ask him to wait.
He has a problem with Pitou trying to save somebody, after doing what he did to Kite. He keeps saying "It isn't fair".
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Yeah remember that this arc so far in terms of Gon's place in it is all like "OMG this guy who looked up to my dad and was my mentor and someone I looked up to died and it's my fault so I have to go avenge him!" so he's super pissed off at Pitou for the majority of the arc.
Then suddenly, when he comes face to face with him and having the opportunity to punch his face and vent out everything he's felt building up. And what does he see?
Pitou's healing a human! So for one thing, it kinda shows that the chimera ants are able to do things with even some trace of non animal instinctiveness which might be a bit conflicting. But the super big thing is that Pitou asks for Gon to delay the fight til she heals Komugi. So suddenly his big chance to release that pent up frustration ends up building even more! and why would Pitou even do this after horrendously turning Kite into a puppet and mutilating his body then rebuilding it so that it can be used as a training doll?
So Pitou gets to pick and choose who he kills off and saves without any sort of retribution, and Gon obviously can't do anything about it because it'd put an innocent in jeopardy. "It isn't fair" is a pretty reasonable perspective for Gon I believe.
Remember that although Gon didn't really know Kite for too long, Kite was the one who saved him as a kid and really was the one who gave him the impetus to look for Ging and become a hunter, where Gon early on was a coward and didn't know much about the forest. It may have been a short bit, but Kite was definitely a big influence on his life (bigger than Ging but that really isn't saying much).
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It's not only what Pitou did to Kite. Gon got really mad when Pitou ask him to wait.
He has a problem with Pitou trying to save somebody, after doing what he did to Kite. He keeps saying "It isn't fair".
I think that is what got him crazy.No he was already that mad. And What the problem with waiting? And the out of personality has everything to do with "having a problem with Pitou trying to save somebody, after doing what he did to Kite". Let's not forget that in this same arc he befriended chimeras that eat people(Meleoron and Ikalgo).
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@Purple:
Yeah remember that this arc so far in terms of Gon's place in it is all like "OMG this guy who looked up to my dad and was my mentor and someone I looked up to died and it's my fault so I have to go avenge him!" so he's super pissed off at Pitou for the majority of the arc.
Only that for Gon, at that moment, Kaito wasn't dead. So what about avenging him? And why would it be is fault? Because he was weak?
@Purple:
Then suddenly, when he comes face to face with him and having the opportunity to punch his face and vent out everything he's felt building up. And what does he see?
Pitou's healing a human! So for one thing, it kinda shows that the chimera ants are able to do things with even some trace of non animal instinctiveness which might be a bit conflicting. But the super big thing is that Pitou asks for Gon to delay the fight til she heals Komugi. So suddenly his big chance to release that pent up frustration ends up building even more! and why would Pitou even do this after horrendously turning Kite into a puppet and mutilating his body then rebuilding it so that it can be used as a training doll?
That wasn't the first time that he saw that chimera ants were able to do things with even some trace of non animal instinctiveness! Are we forgetting All the chimeras that were with the Queen and became good, and Meleron, and Ikalgo? Are we forgetting that he talked with a lot of chimeras and even spared some of them, even before he taught Kaito was still alive, because he taught of them not only as animals with instincts. I'm talking of the bat girl and the Owl guy that he punched with a given force to be sure that they stay knock out but don't die. Are we forgetting about Kaito telling time after time that while fighting they shouldn't think of their enemies as humans and hesitate to kill them, and that Gon never listened(shown with the Armadilho(called Baro) when with Kaito and the owl guy and bat women after Kaito "death"). Are we forgetting that Gon never thought killers were only killers, Gon respected Hisoka from all people.
Neferpitou wasn't the first killer that he knew, Killua, Hisoka, Killua brother and all of his family, Phantom troupe and even that guy from Greed Island with the bombs. This is not a first time and the guy from Greed island was tricking people while Neferpitou killed Kaito in a fair and square fight. They were invading the Ants territory trying to kill their Queen.The Kite puppet thing, at that time Gon thought he was still alive and had still hope for recovery, he shouldn't be more angry that Instead of killing Kaito, Pitou turned him into that.
@Purple:
So Pitou gets to pick and choose who he kills off and saves without any sort of retribution, and Gon obviously can't do anything about it because it'd put an innocent in jeopardy. "It isn't fair" is a pretty reasonable perspective for Gon I believe.
The problem isn't about trusting Neferpitou or not. He was in a totally berserk, ignoring everything because emotions of things that he is exposed time and time again and that he always reacted in a cool manner, like it was nothing. The situation and a person like Gon is totally out of character in that scene.
And Pitou gets to pick and choose who he kills? Are we forgetting that it was them that attacked the Ants and Pitou was defending their nest? He didn't choose at all. It was Gon, Kaito and killua that choose to kill the Ants. Of course they were right to try to destroy the ants, but when you attack and get loses is stupid to blame the enemy for choosing, in the spur of the moment, to kill you.
What about Meleron and Ikalgo, can they choose who they kill off and save without any sort of retribution? Because they were totally killing people left and right."It isn't fair" is not reasonable to Gon given that he always brushed off people that killed others and he always believed that they could do good things, he never really thought of killing as a bad thing at all. Unless you're saying that Gon is a super hypocrite, because that is what he is being there. Unless he has a good reason to get is mind totally clouded, the change in personality shouldn't had happened. Strangely when it comes to his friends, people that he know or strangers killing people, he was never bothered but now he questions how Pitou can do good and care about others?
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The "for too long" was minutes when he was 9, and after 5 years, he found him again and was with him for some days. And wasn't Kaito always saying that the mission was dangerous and they could die at any time? Yes, he was always saying that.
In the end what is in question is with all that we know of Gon personality and all that we know that he knows until that moment, was enough/reasonable for him to get his thoughts clouded and enter that state? I believe not, given what we always knew of him and what he knows at that time. He is basically turning into Guts from Berserk with 0% of reason for that.
Strangely enough when I was reading the manga It didn't bothered me, I was just thinking, he is just angry, but now seeing that scene again he was totally out of his mind and that makes really none or little(tiny tiny) sense. At least we can say that it was built up during the narration of when they were sitting in that special room and during the invasion. -
Kaito is basically like Shanks. Only not as well written
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Gon interacted with Kite as much as Luffy did with Shanks, blame Madhouse for holding off on his introduction for like 75 episodes and not introducting him from the start.
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@Joe:
Gon interacted with Kite as much as Luffy did with Shanks, blame Madhouse for holding off on his introduction for like 75 episodes and not introducting him from the start.
Not really?
He still met him once, whereas Luffy had been with Shanks and his crew for some time.
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Had a really bad time watching this episode. Not because the episode is back, but because of all the trouble it took to watch the episode(the video kept stopping, and eventually I had to find another), and there was this incredible asshole who I couldn't reply to due to the comments system being shit, and trying to report him wouldn't work because it would stop give a blank screen and prevent me form trying to watch the episode.
But thinking abut it, there's no reason to get angry as fansubbing isn't my right, it wasn't to hard to find another, that guy was probably just a troll and there's no point in reporting an anonymous person. Which left me feeling like a less psycho Gon.
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Not really?
He still met him once, whereas Luffy had been with Shanks and his crew for some time.
I don't remember how long Luffy was With shanks but both interacted for like 1 episode in their old anime. Kite taught Gon how to treat animals and stuff and Gon really started to take to Kite and wanted to become a Hunter like him and his father. Then they met again arcs later, his anger for his death is justified.
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You basically missed the whole point and build up to this whole arc and are coming at this from the perspective that Gon is. Remember that, even though we have Meleoron and the octodude, we still have people worrying that in the "Worst Case Scenario" that it'll turn out that the chimera ants they're facing, specifically the royal guard and king, have a level of humanity beyond animal instinctiveness to reproduce and protect the leadership. Which, really, is their only impression of them (and kinda actually fits the bill for Pouf and Youpi, except Pouf is really really trying not to be human and Youpi develops his human instinct more just to the point of battle and love of the king). Their expectation was guys who would do anything to support the king.
You really need to put your own shoes into this scenario. It may seem absurd to think "Why, they were the ones who were going to kill the ants! How dare they not see the contradiction!" but in actuality their impression of the ants was, if not human, were even less than animals, enslaving people and killing them for sport, when they were hanging out with Kite in NGL.
But the big thing is not just that but that "What the hell is this? Animals displaying humanity?" No, the super big thing I labeled was that all that pent up anger concerning Kite, all that training he did and everything he worked at just to get to Pitou and just keeping Pitou as the focal point in his mind as to direct his anger, all that frustration and emotion was coming to a head for this very moment. Killua noticed it right before the operation started and during it that Gon was particularly out of ease. And when he finally gets his big chance, he basically still has to keep it pent up and building beyond the critical moment. This is what Vast pointed out, and this is really why Gon's freaking out all over the place. "WTF life? Why do you do this to me? This was supposed to be my big moment to avenge Kite and put down this monster and I can't even do that because, of all things, she's healing someone? When am I supposed to get my dues and how come she gets to sit completely open doing nothing to save a life when she's the one responsible for Kite's demise?"
As for their relationship for Gon and Kite, Gon really doesn't seem to know that many people, and the ones he bonds with big time are people he's just met on occasion. He definitely doesn't seem to have many childhood friends growing up til he meet Killua. He makes fast friends and fast really strong friendships. He's just weird like that. But you know, sometimes it doesn't really take too long to form a strong bond with a person, and an impression can last a really long time. I'm not saying he had a really long time with him as a child, but the time he did have really left an impression on him.
Like I said, if Kite didn't show up in the story, the story would not have happened. At all. Those nine or so minutes are super critical to changing Gon's personality and acting as an impetus to his goal to being a hunter. He's really the one who got the ball rolling for young Gon. Mito definitely would have done anything to make sure that Gon didn't become a hunter. Gon, at least for me, really comes off as seeing Kite as a much older brother, someone who was under the discipleship of his father, and really the person he wants to be like. It's why he took to Kite's body mutilation not too kindly to say the least and actually sent him seething following Knuckle and Shoot's return from NGL. Sure he knew a bunch of killers, but this one, this one he took very personally because of the few but big actions Kite did.
Like I'll admit that Kite should've had some more screentime to develop him more (it's what the anime was trying to fix up a bit during the first part of the arc, Kite's giving Gon Ging's hunter license and being like, "hey man, your dad was a pretty cool dude. Go hunt him down and give this to him" bonding time during the arc), but it would be wrong to say that Kite didn't have a very, very big impact on Gon's life. I never said anything about Gon needing to trust Pitou more than my emphasizing that Gon is at an emotionally critical state now, having lost Kite but kinda needing to shove the steam back into his head.
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@Joe:
I don't remember how long Luffy was With shanks but both interacted for like 1 episode in their old anime. Kite taught Gon how to treat animals and stuff and Gon really started to take to Kite and wanted to become a Hunter like him and his father. Then they met again arcs later, his anger for his death is justified.
Nah Shanks was definitely around for way more than Kite. At least a year in Fusha. But you can definitely still draw a fairly similar parallel, although it's definitely a stronger impression to be had in One Piece.
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@Joe:
I don't remember how long Luffy was With shanks but both interacted for like 1 episode in their old anime. Kite taught Gon how to treat animals and stuff and Gon really started to take to Kite and wanted to become a Hunter like him and his father. Then they met again arcs later, his anger for his death is justified.
Shanks was 1 entire year with Luffy, shanks would go out but not long it would return. Shanks saved Luffy and sacrificed his arm. Shanks made a promise with Luffy.
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Shanks was 1 entire year with Luffy, shanks would go out but not long it would return. Shanks saved Luffy and sacrificed his arm. Shanks made a promise with Luffy.
Regardless Kite left a huge impact on Gon as well even if he wasn't around him near as much as Shanks with Luffy. Its not about the length of time you spend with a person but the impact they leave on you.
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@Purple:
You basically missed the whole point and build up to this whole arc and are coming at this from the perspective that Gon is. Remember that, even though we have Meleoron and the octodude, we still have people worrying that in the "Worst Case Scenario" that it'll turn out that the chimera ants they're facing, specifically the royal guard and king, have a level of humanity beyond animal instinctiveness to reproduce and protect the leadership. Which, really, is their only impression of them (and kinda actually fits the bill for Pouf and Youpi, except Pouf is really really trying not to be human and Youpi develops his human instinct more just to the point of battle and love of the king). Their expectation was guys who would do anything to support the king.
You're forgetting all the peace treaty with the guys that stayed with the queen.
They are expecting guys that would do anything to support the king, but that doesn't put them in any way as beyond animal instinctiveness. The only guys that were hoping only bad things from the King was Netero that had little contact with the ants and that was commanded to do an inhuman thing, as seen later in the arc, and Killua grandfather that didn't knew anything about what was happening.@Purple:
You really need to put your own shoes into this scenario. It may seem absurd to think "Why, they were the ones who were going to kill the ants! How dare they not see the contradiction!" but in actuality their impression of the ants was, if not human, were even less than animals, enslaving people and killing them for sport, when they were hanging out with Kite in NGL.
Gon was never thinking like that, you missed the armadillo scene where Gon tried to negotiate, the bat and howl scene, Meleron scene when he believed without doubt, and other scenes. Enslaving people and killing them for sport only happened in the cave and that wasn't what they were thinking of the ants. Kaito had already told them how the ants worked and the only problem was that they were dangerous to the fauna where they are, and given their size it would be dangerous to all humanity.
@Purple:
But the big thing is not just that but that "What the hell is this? Animals displaying humanity?" No, the super big thing I labeled was that all that pent up anger concerning Kite, all that training he did and everything he worked at just to get to Pitou and just keeping Pitou as the focal point in his mind as to direct his anger, all that frustration and emotion was coming to a head for this very moment. Killua noticed it right before the operation started and during it that Gon was particularly out of ease. And when he finally gets his big chance, he basically still has to keep it pent up and building beyond the critical moment. This is what Vast pointed out, and this is really why Gon's freaking out all over the place. "WTF life? Why do you do this to me? This was supposed to be my big moment to avenge Kite and put down this monster and I can't even do that because, of all things, she's healing someone? When am I supposed to get my dues and how come she gets to sit completely open doing nothing to save a life when she's the one responsible for Kite's demise?"
You're saying that he behaved like that because of his accumulated anger. What I'm saying is that accumulated anger is totally out of personality, more given that he didn't thought Kaito was dead. That he have it and that it was built up, it was, but it doesn't removes the fact that it makes little sense. But probably it can be seen that Gon is a person that only has a level of anger, extreme or nothing, so during all the series he was always happy and didn't cared about anything and when that happened to Kaito is switch went off.
@Purple:
Like I said, if Kite didn't show up in the story, the story would not have happened. At all. Those nine or so minutes are super critical to changing Gon's personality and acting as an impetus to his goal to being a hunter. He's really the one who got the ball rolling for young Gon. Mito definitely would have done anything to make sure that Gon didn't become a hunter. Gon, at least for me, really comes off as seeing Kite as a much older brother, someone who was under the discipleship of his father, and really the person he wants to be like. It's why he took to Kite's body mutilation not too kindly to say the least and actually sent him seething following Knuckle and Shoot's return from NGL. Sure he knew a bunch of killers, but this one, this one he took very personally because of the few but big actions Kite did.
I don't think they changed Gon's personality at all what it changed was his goals, well, it can be said that before he didn't had goals, but at that time he decided them.
The thing is that the state were Gon was shown isn't just a normal state of anger, but rage, berserk. Is a state where some people say that they see everything going red and they can't think of anything, so there is not logic or anything like the original personality of the person, basically your level of adrenaline is so high that it seems like you're drugged. That was the state that he was. Normally people don't get at that stage lightly, it has to be some world changing incident, or the person have serious problems(it exist a personality disorder where people get easily in that state). Giving Gon receptive personality is strange that he exploded given how things happened and what happened.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
@Joe:
Regardless Kite left a huge impact on Gon as well even if he wasn't around him near as much as Shanks with Luffy. Its not about the length of time you spend with a person but the impact they leave on you.
How much impact did Kaito left Gon? The same as Shanks? You're kidding right. Kaito appeared and said that Gon father was alive and that Hunters are cool and then left. That was all the impact that he left at first. Basically made Gon wanting to see what a Hunter is.
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You're forgetting all the peace treaty with the guys that stayed with the queen.
They are expecting guys that would do anything to support the king, but that doesn't put them in any way as beyond animal instinctiveness. The only guys that were hoping only bad things from the King was Netero that had little contact with the ants and that was commanded to do an inhuman thing, as seen later in the arc, and Killua grandfather that didn't knew anything about what was happening.No, it was pretty much expected. I think Morau also expected some shit to go down concerning the humanity of the royal guards, which, at least from Colt's account of it it seems their impression was that the guard's only thought process was that they don't give a shit about anyone, like when the queen was left to die. And she was their mother.
Gon was never thinking like that, you missed the armadillo scene where Gon tried to negotiate, the bat and howl scene, Meleron scene when he believed without doubt, and other scenes. Enslaving people and killing them for sport only happened in the cave and that wasn't what they were thinking of the ants. Kaito had already told them how the ants worked and the only problem was that they were dangerous to the fauna where they are, and given their size it would be dangerous to all humanity.
Yeah, it's mainly different for those guys because they weren't the ones who killed Kaito in cold blood. Like we know that Gon is a pretty gullible dude, so the main point is that Gon's anger isn't directed to chimera ants as a whole but this one fixation on Pitou. The royal guard hasn't shown any trace of human instinct that the characters have known thus far, which is why the whole "Why was Pitou's En dropped?" thing was so dubious.
You're saying that he behaved like that because of his accumulated anger. What I'm saying is that accumulated anger is totally out of personality, more given that he didn't thought Kaito was dead. That he have it and that it was built up, it was, but it doesn't removes the fact that it makes little sense. But probably it can be seen that Gon is a person that only has a level of anger, extreme or nothing, so during all the series he was always happy and didn't cared about anything and when that happened to Kaito is switch went off.
Yeah, of course it was out of his personality. That's what happens when people get into the heat of the moment. You do things that aren't characteristic of you typically. And he definitely did think that Kite was dead. That's what's made him so upset about the whole thing. He just thought he wasn't dead forever and that Pitou could fix him up with that doctor ability.
Really the big thing here is Gon's whole fixation that Pitou can maybe save him as a compromise, but Gon's definitely fully intent on unleashing his anger out at this point. It's what Killua notices right before the operation starts and is heavily hinted at when Morau tells Gon to hit him with everything he's got, pretending it's the person who mutilated Kite. Seriously, it's pretty well established to this point that Gon has it out for Pitou and Pitou alone.
I don't think they changed Gon's personality at all what it changed was his goals, well, it can be said that before he didn't had goals, but at that time he decided them.
The thing is that the state were Gon was shown isn't just a normal state of anger, but rage, berserk. Is a state where some people say that they see everything going red and they can't think of anything, so there is not logic or anything like the original personality of the person, basically your level of adrenaline is so high that it seems like you're drugged. That was the state that he was. Normally people don't get at that stage lightly, it has to be some world changing incident, or the person have serious problems(it exist a personality disorder where people get easily in that state). Giving Gon receptive personality is strange that he exploded given how things happened and what happened.No, see, my impression of Gon from the very first chapter was that he was a fairly timid kid. A nice kid of course, he took in the fox thing, but still fairly different from when he sets out to become a hunter. I don't really know what he was doing in that forest, but he definitely did not seem to have the same sort of fearlessness that Ging and his later self had, but he definitely shows for more of an affinity for it and animals and stuff later on, especially when he's showing Killua around, and he definitely seems much more relaxed and cooled down once Kite starts talking about how his dad's not dead. Anyway, it doesn't seem like it was just a few minutes either. Definitely spent some time just shooting crap about adventures and stuff with Ging. He definitely seems like someone, especially during the chimera arc, as someone Gon really looked up to because of the connection to Ging.
That's what drives the rage and adrenaline, and I definitely think it's reasonable that, among the handful of people that are pretty close to Gon that he'd feel particularly attached to the one guy who's actually spent time hanging out with his dad.
It's also why Gon's so apologetic to Ging later during the election, because Kite was probably fairly close to Ging… err... closer than most people at least.
How much impact did Kaito left Gon? The same as Shanks? You're kidding right. Kaito appeared and said that Gon father was alive and that Hunters are cool and then left. That was all the impact that he left at first. Basically made Gon wanting to see what a Hunter is.
Not on the same level of course, but definitely something worth paralleling.
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Gon feels helpless. As you know, his own weakness disgusts him the most. But unlike his pasts battles with himself, rage isn't the force driving him. Its a factor and a mask.
Gon feels immense guilt. He believes that what happened to Kite was his fault. He's losing it because internally, he's been going through internal turmoil that he hasn't begun to unleash until now. One of the best things about the arc is that Killua and Gon catostrophically misunderstand each other's true feelings, with Killua under the belief that Gon wants revenge most of all. On the contrary. He wants to save Kite. Gon expected to use his rage and intimidation to accomplish his goal, but not this passive acquiescence.
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You know it Robby.
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Question for a possible good discussion:
If HXH were to never come back, if Ging and Gon meeting with the promise of more adventures for everyone in the future (unresolved plot points, the dark continent, etc) was where the manga ended, what is the legacy HXH leaves to the world of manga? Where does it rank among its peers?
well,i've found hunterXhunter a bit overrated even without an open ending,but all in all it would be a decent open ending…
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It can't end now with all these loose ends, I think togashi at least tied up most stuff when he ended YYH. He needs to resolve the things with Killua/Illumi and Kurapika/Chrollo first before he can leave and never return.
If it ends here I'd have to rank the series pretty low despite how much I enjoy it or regardless if I find its writing above most series from JUMP. I would probably label Togashi a hack who could never hang with the basic mangaka lifestyle (well he kinda is although his story hasn't diminished in my eyes to really call him one).
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I read HxH couple of months ago, so I'm not sure when exactly last chapter got released. What was the latest word from Togashi, anyway?
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I read HxH couple of months ago, so I'm not sure when exactly last chapter got released. What was the latest word from Togashi, anyway?
"Level 53 on Dragon Quest! WOO!"
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"Level 53 on Dragon Quest! WOO!"
Goddamit, shouldn't have read this while in the office, lmao.
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So what will happen once the anime will catch up with the manga?
I know it's like a year and half away but what am i supposed to expect..fillers/hiatus? or the anime creates it's own ending. -
@zeff:
So what will happen once the anime will catch up with the manga?
I know it's like a year and half away but what am i supposed to expect..fillers/hiatus? or the anime creates it's own ending.More like half a year actually.
But as of now, it's uncertain. Some think it'll end where the last chapter ended, some think they might continue with filler arcs, and there are some who latch onto the insane theory that Togashi will continue the story canon in the anime rather than the manga.
Me, I'm banking on the first one. The might make up their own ending, but it probably won't vary too much from the original.
Or they could just go on hiatus, LOL
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@Joe:
It can't end now with all these loose ends, I think togashi at least tied up most stuff when he ended YYH. He needs to resolve the things with Killua/Illumi and Kurapika/Chrollo first before he can leave and never return.
If it ends here I'd have to rank the series pretty low despite how much I enjoy it or regardless if I find its writing above most series from JUMP. I would probably label Togashi a hack who could never hang with the basic mangaka lifestyle (well he kinda is although his story hasn't diminished in my eyes to really call him one).
When did you read HxH? Yea I'd love to have all these plot points resolved, but now I'll call it a win with Gon and Killua's (and Leorio's) plots resolved and be done with it.
My opinion of togashi is very very low.
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Or they could just go on hiatus, LOL
This would be.. so perfect.
Hiatus x Hiatus, fated to Hiatus.
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When did you read HxH? Yea I'd love to have all these plot points resolved, but now I'll call it a win with Gon and Killua's (and Leorio's) plots resolved and be done with it.
My opinion of togashi is very very low.
Hiatus x Hiatus, fated to Hiatus.
Been following the manga since 2008, had to endure what felt like 5 different year long hiatuses already, its ridiculous how lazy this guy is. His last run in 2011-2012 may have been his longest in years but its crazy how he equaled it out with his longest hiatus to date. I guess 30 chapters in a row was too much for poor widdle Togashi.
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Damn, that episode gave me chills.
As for HxH ending right now, I'd be okay with it but I definitely wouldn't be completely satisfied. For me to be satisfied with an ending, I'd like to see Kurapika and Hisoka resolve their goals in one way or another. Killua/Illumi would be nice to have, but I would be alright with that part of the story ending the way it is now.
So really I'd say about 1-2 more story arcs for HxH to have a proper ending. Based on how long the Chimera Ant arc lasted, that's only 9-18 more years before a satisfying ending.
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That was one of the best episodes yet! Seeing Gon go that dark was weird and I loved it.
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Damn, that episode gave me chills. As for HxH ending right now, I'd be okay with it but I definitely wouldn't be completely satisfied. For me to be satisfied with an ending, I'd like to see Kurapika and Hisoka resolve their goals in one way or another. Killua/Illumi would be nice to have, but I would be alright with that part of the story ending the way it is now. So really I'd say about 1-2 more story arcs for HxH to have a proper ending. Based on how long the Chimera Ant arc lasted, that's only 9-18 more years before a satisfying ending.
There is no way HXH would end in 1-2 Arc stories that's not happening the way the story direction is headed.