This chapter was wonderful. Dramatic, revealing. There wasn't action, but every chapter doesn't need it. No complaints from me.
Chapter 665: "Candy"
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@gotta<3OP:
So we can assume the guy above CC has a small moustache and a dog. And will sucide after losing against the straw hats.
That would be… I don't know, from hilarious to tremendously weird, depending on how it is done.
Why would you even suggest that?
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Caesar 2012! Caesar 2012!
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Doctorine used meth? So THAT'S her secret to long life!
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Something that came up on NF. This arc has lots of referrences to WWII.
Caesar = Joseph Mengele. Like Mengele, Caesar experiments on children; like Mengele, he gave "candies" to those children; Mengele was obsessed with twins, and now we find out that Caesar has two (twin?) brothers working for him; Caesar's gas powers are a referrence to the gas chambers used by the Nazis; Mengele, just like Caesar, was loved by those working for him; Mengele was called "Angel of Death" while Law is called "Sergeon of Death"; Mengele's nickname when he was younger was "Beppo", lol.
Punk Hazard (because of the whole sending prisoners for experimentations) is probably a referrence to the Japanese Unit 731.
Hmmm I don't think I like those comparrasens.
731 is horrific - and I have only read about it - I know there is a movie out there about it but no way I could sit through it. Actually I believe there are few critics who have seen it start to credits.…. If it is - not sure how I'd feel on the one hand it's hiding the past in plain sight - on the other it's something that is too much to reference.
I knew about Mengele but had never heard of unit 731 so i had to look it up. These dark references are very dark indeed.
CC is making Spandam look like an alter boy: DAMN.
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I think my avatar about sums up my feelings for this chapter. Best moment in Robin history.
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Johnny and Yosaku were shown in the recent cover story fishing or something like that.
I highly doubt they are in the New World. Which is disappointing because I wanted to see them with the Strawhats again.Yeah its laughable idea at best.. Look at the footprints, these guys are gigantic. And they are using wooden clubs, not swords.. Look carefully at the weapons, especially the bottom.
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To add on to your theory: Mengele was said to remove hearts without anesthesia.
He was also interested in dwarfs, and would kill children if they did not grow higher than a line he drew on the wall.It seems like, rather than Caesar himself being an analogue,
the idea of Mengele has been inspiration for him, Law and the whole facility.It's very interesting to think of the Punk Hazard arc as Oda's social commentary about biological/chemical weapons and human experimentation.
He's already had an arc about Slavery (Saboady), and an arc about Racism (Fishman Island). To be honest I was sort of expecting a commentary on this kind of stuff during the Impel Down arc, but I guess the main focus at that time was to rescue Ace and get to the Summit War, so he didn't really want to focus on it back then.
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robin & brook made this chapter for me
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also it's so obvious that smokers main reason for being in this arc is because he will be the one to take the children home
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@HTC:
I knew about Mengele but had never heard of unit 731 so i had to look it up. These dark references are very dark indeed.
CC is making Spandam look like an alter boy: DAMN.
yeah when I read that they remove ppl's stomachs and surgically attach their esophagus to their intestines i was like….wow that shit is FFFFUCKed up
Crocodile was a power-hungry bastard, Enel was a megalomaniac, and Spadam was just a big douchebag.
Caesar Clown though, is at completely different level of intolerable-ness. He is a fucking monster and deserves to be the first arc villain to actually die, and not just get "beaten up". I know that Oda can't have the strawhats actually kill anybody, so I hope that either Law or Smoker sends CC to hell.
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Never thought I'd see crackheads in One Piece. Bet every one of those kids grows up to be movie producers.
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It's very interesting to think of the Punk Hazard arc as Oda's social commentary about biological/chemical weapons and human experimentation.
He's already had an arc about Slavery (Saboady), and an arc about Racism (Fishman Island). To be honest I was sort of expecting a commentary on this kind of stuff during the Impel Down arc, but I guess the main focus at that time was to rescue Ace and get to the Summit War, so he didn't really want to focus on it back then.
Yeah, Oda has been very interested in tackling real world issues lately.
Sabaody Archipelago: Slavery.
Marineford: War.
Luffy's Flashback: Social stratification.
Fishman Island: Racism and drugs.
Punk Hazard: Weapons of mass destruction, children kidnapping, human experimentation and more drugs.Note that he started doing this sort of stuff during Skypiea (territorial disputes). Political corruption is pretty obvious. And I guess Wano Country would be a perfect opportunity to portray Xenophobia.
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I think this arc is really shaping up to be the darkest in OP yet.
I think the best comedic line in the episode was, "I think she broke my will to see her panties"
Moriah stealing shadows is worse because they would die if they went out during the day also the kids get free candy and get to be giants so they're not going to get picked on if they go back to their islands also its a funny arc with them changing body's lol.
Brook really is a cross between Zoro with his sword fighting and Sanji being a pervert also Luffy likes him for his music/songs.
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Yeah, Oda has been very interested in tackling real world issues lately.
Sabaody Archipelago: Slavery.
Marineford: War.
Luffy's Flashback: Social stratification.
Fishman Island: Racism and drugs.
Punk Hazard: Weapons of mass destruction, children kidnapping, human experimentation and more drugs.Note that he started doing this sort of stuff during Skypiea (territorial disputes). Political corruption is pretty obvious. And I guess Wano Country would be a perfect opportunity to portray Xenophobia.
It depends what you mean by "tackling" yes he uses them in a lot of his stories but I don't think he ever goes really in depth into the problems in a real world context. Which is fine, its not that kind of story, I just don't want us to try and see things that just aren't really there like Bleach fans
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@Law:
Moriah stealing shadows is worse because they would die if they went out during the day also the kids get free candy and get to be giants so they're not going to get picked on if they go back to their islands also its a funny arc with them changing body's lol.
Brook really is a cross between Zoro with his sword fighting and Sanji being a pervert also Luffy likes him for his music/songs.
Are you fucking retarded? I am doing to turn you into a giant irreversibly. Every part except your gonads. Then I will send you home.
If you think you're gonna be anything short of a freakshow in a zoo, you need to get a reality check.
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Yeah its laughable idea at best.. Look at the footprints, these guys are gigantic. And they are using wooden clubs, not swords.. Look carefully at the weapons, especially the bottom.
I thought they were giant rifle guns and they shot sleeping darts or whatever the other ones used to put the strawhat's to sleep last time on the three sleeping..
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Are you fucking retarded? I am doing to turn you into a giant irreversibly. Every part except your gonads. Then I will send you home.
If you think you're gonna be anything short of a freakshow in a zoo, you need to get a reality check.
You just kill them like ants if they try anything not hard.
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So Zoro got his ass whopped by some tall dudes?
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Added Mangastream's link (for the duration): there are now 4 sources, but 3 of them are the same translation.
Off to read Mangastream's version.
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Wow this is the nicest way I can put this, but Magellan got his ass beat hard by blackbeard. I noticed his wing and horn have been replaced by metal, so Im assuming they were lost to blackbeard.
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Wow this is the nicest way I can put this, but Magellan got his ass beat hard by blackbeard. I noticed his wing and horn have been replaced by metal, so Im assuming they were lost to blackbeard.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/43866909/1The wings and horns were fake by the way. Funny huh?
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@Law:
Moriah stealing shadows is worse because they would die if they went out during the day also the kids get free candy and get to be giants so they're not going to get picked on if they go back to their islands also its a funny arc with them changing body's lol.
You forgot the part where the giant kids are drug addicts that can't go back to their homes because they would kill everybody there due to the fact that they go batshit insane if there's no drugs around to keep them at bay, effectively turning them into threats to anything that gets near them because of their gigantic size.
Try seeing the big picture before posting this kind of stuff.
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Magellan lost to Blackbeard and a HORDE of some of the most dangerous human beings on the OP world. That he's still alive and just lost a wing, a (fake) horn and has a scar up his face, I'd say he's pretty much certified badass (as if we didn't know that already. . .). Oh, and Saldeath was basically in the last cover as a Red Herring: we all thought HE was the new vice-warden; who would've thought it was Magellan, demoted?
This chapter was great. . .but kinda uncomfortable. I mean, hell. Experimenting on kids? Giving them meth to make them, basically, junkies? The hell, man. This was DARK. Not that I'm complaining, of course.
2 more thoughts:
-Zoro, Sanji AND Brook losing against two new guys? Without any sing of a fight? Yeah, right. Of course they used some trick. Since sleeping gas seems to be the new trend (satyrs, Usopp), I'd say, why not? Sleeping gas for now. When Oda states something else, I'll believe it.
-Yeti Cool Bros being Shachi and Penguin: they could've been experimented on, are 2, act like bros all the time, have a "cool" theme (both "cold", you know, Orcas and Penguins, and "cool", what with their hats and glasses), and even the silhouettes show the shape of their hats. Ok. But it just doesn't sound right with me. Why should CC order them around as HIS underlings? With LAW right besides him?? And be them giants or wathever, they just didn't seem that reliable before (one of them even almost fainted from Rayleigh's Haki), and now CC says "maybe I went overboard sending them", like their incredibly strong. I mean, CC knows the SH's defeated the dragon, right?? And that their VERY high bounties are outdated and should be even bigger than what they are, too??
I don't know. But I just can't wait for next chapter. . .and it's still quite far away. Shit.
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Well this was a shockingly dark chapter, I wonder where the story is going to go from here?
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Yeah its laughable idea at best.. Look at the footprints, these guys are gigantic. And they are using wooden clubs, not swords.. Look carefully at the weapons, especially the bottom.
Thank you for seeing its laughable and we are nto serious.
That is the point behind saying its Johhny and Yosaku. We people who said its them are just using sarcasm to poke fun at all the leaps at people saying "it HAS to be so-and-so!" We know its none of them, not Johnny & Yosaku, nor is it Penguin & Shachi of the Heart Pirates. After all Oda did give a info box that identifies them and the Yeti Cool Brothers, he would not do that if it was a returning character that has a different name.
It is silly to say the Cool Brothers are so and so so we poke fun at it.Yeah, Oda has been very interested in tackling real world issues lately.
Sabaody Archipelago: Slavery.
Marineford: War.
Luffy's Flashback: Social stratification.
Fishman Island: Racism and drugs.
Punk Hazard: Weapons of mass destruction, children kidnapping, human experimentation and more drugs.Note that he started doing this sort of stuff during Skypiea (territorial disputes). Political corruption is pretty obvious. And I guess Wano Country would be a perfect opportunity to portray Xenophobia.
Impel Down draws paralells with= wrongful imprisonment and abuse of power of those over the prisoners. There are mentions of silencing political opponents.
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I really want to know what happened in Impel Down. The entire blackbeard crew got hit by Magellan's poison, not just Blackbeard himself, so I'm wondering just how in the hell the crew made it out fine. It was probably Stronger who saved them lol
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I doubt that's smokers heart, law left to do something when he could have just handed the heart to cc when he got back to the lab. Most likely the heart of cc's henchmen.
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I really want to know what happened in Impel Down. The entire blackbeard crew got hit by Magellan's poison, not just Blackbeard himself, so I'm wondering just how in the hell the crew made it out fine. It was probably Stronger who saved them lol
They were saved by Shilliew: he had an antidote for Magellan's poison.
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I have a feeling Vegapunk will be just as messed up as CC. I mean…didn't he create Pacifistas out of Human corpses? Excluding Kuma, of course. I have a feeling that every doctor and scientist the Strawhats encounter over the course of the series are going to be weird or (somewhat) batshit crazy.
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@The:
I have a feeling Vegapunk will be just as messed up as CC. I mean…didn't he create Pacifistas out of Human corpses? Excluding Kuma, of course. I have a feeling that every doctor and scientist the Strawhats encounter over the course of the series are going to be weird or (somewhat) batshit crazy.
As far as we know the Pacifistas are created from living humans, and our only solid example Kuma actually "volunteered" to get modified, so far nothing unethical.
CC on the other hand has already been portrayed as willing to kill his own subordinates for the sake of science, as well as drug and physically modify children, which is obviously not voluntary. In addition the people from Vegapunk's home island have said that he is a person who cared about others and wanted to use his technology to improve people's lives. It may in fact turn out that Vegapunk is not as rosy as he is currently portrayed, but I find it hard to believe that he will be worse than CC.
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@The:
I have a feeling Vegapunk will be just as messed up as CC. I mean…didn't he create Pacifistas out of Human corpses? Excluding Kuma, of course. I have a feeling that every doctor and scientist the Strawhats encounter over the course of the series are going to be weird or (somewhat) batshit crazy.
But Vegapunk did destroy Kuma's humanity when he completed the PX alterations, inclindign the mind destroying his personality. That is pretty messed up as well.
Edit= it does not matter if Kuma"volunteered" for remodeling. It is unethical to destry someone' personality and their humanity.
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1.) It should be such an easy thing to understand but i think i´ll never get how and when the chapters around Golden Week are released.
2.) We finally get to see the purpose of the kids being on the island, they are made into rampaging giants. It would be interesting to know if the experiments of CC work better on children or if they were chosen because they are easier to handle than adults. Although Oda addressed pretty dark matters in OP before this arc (slavery, racism etc.), i have to agree with most of you that the manga reached a new level of cruelty. I guess Oda´s statement that the manga post timeskip would be darker and more mature was not just for show.
3.) I guess this chapter again showed one of Oda´s many talents. Though such a serious matter was revealed in this chapter (kids being drugged and experimented on) he still didn´t fail to include comedic relief where it didn´t feel misplaced at all. Especially Franky in Chopper´s body and Robin´s comments on that were the highlights regarding the funny moments. Chopper going into rage about the experiments and the drugs was another highlight, reminded me of Thriller Bark where Chopper was very angry and disappointed in Hogback treating life, just shows that despite his cute and funny behaviour most of the time he has a strict moral code on which he doesn´t have any hesitation to act upon.
4.) Zoro, Brook and Nanji get taken out pretty easily. I refrain on commenting on that since we still don´t know how they were knocked out, there was definitely no fight though. The Cool Brothers seem interesting fighters, i would like a fight between them and the Samurai Kinemon. Also, seeing how relaxed Law behaves in the presence of CC makes it much more likely, at least for me, that he is acting on his own account cooperating with CC. I really hope that he will fight the SH, especially a fight between him and Zoro would be interesting to see.
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Vegapunk will probably have a Deus Ex-like (the game series Deus Ex) arc. He seems to love his cybernetic technology. It will be the debate that: "Is Human cybernetic augmentation wrong?" "Is it wrong that a non-augmented Human loses his job to an augmented Human, simply because the augmented Human performs faster at a task; and the non-augmented Human is forced to get augmented if he is to compete (and survive)?" For example: A Pacifista is far more capable than a standard marine, just use them and fire the marine etc. etc. etc. That…and he'll explain the origin/how Devil Fruit work.
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As far as we know the Pacifistas are created from living humans, and our only solid example Kuma actually "volunteered" to get modified, so far nothing unethical.
CC on the other hand has already been portrayed as willing to kill his own subordinates for the sake of science, as well as drug and physically modify children, which is obviously not voluntary. In addition the people from Vegapunk's home island have said that he is a person who cared about others and wanted to use his technology to improve people's lives. It may in fact turn out that Vegapunk is not as rosy as he is currently portrayed, but I find it hard to believe that he will be worse than CC.
I thought the non Kuma ones were made from dead body's.
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@Law:
I thought the non Kuma ones were made from dead body's.
That's what it says on the wiki, not sure if 100% accurate though.
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Seems Brooks's sword was unsheathed, could be Ob.haki that he saw something approaching or he just had good reflexes idk. Thoughts?
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@The:
That's what it says on the wiki, not sure if 100% accurate though.
I am sure it said it in the SA arc or the Whitebeard war i remembering reading it also if they were living humans they would not look like Kuma.
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Seems Brooks's sword was unsheathed, could be Ob.haki that he saw something approaching or he just had good reflexes idk. Thoughts?
Zoro and Namji were talking to each other not paying attention while Brook was paying attention.
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But Vegapunk did destroy Kuma's humanity when he completed the PX alterations, inclindign the mind destroying his personality. That is pretty messed up as well.
Edit= it does not matter if Kuma"volunteered" for remodeling. It is unethical to destry someone' personality and their humanity.
Hey, don't go thinking that the ethics of the world of One Piece are the same as ours. After all, they have a government that's not above killing pregnant women to prevent a future "evil".
Ethics are something that evolve with time. There are many things in our time that have existed for years or even centuries, but became controversial only recently. Plus, I doubt the average citizen of One Piece is conscious enough to protest about the implications created by the Pacifistas, especially when they're just there to protect them from criminals.
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Hey, don't go thinking that the ethics of the world of One Piece are the same as ours. After all, they have a government that's not above killing pregnant women to prevent a future "evil".
Ethics are something that evolve with time. There are many things in our time that have existed for years or even centuries, but became controversial only recently. Plus, I doubt the average citizen of One Piece is conscious enough to protest about the implications created by the Pacifistas, especially when they're just there to protect them from criminals.
And that's one reason why a lot of people–including myself--see the World Government as the 'evil faction' of One Piece; because REAL people believe it's ethically wrong. Having people, like Akainu, in high places of power doesn't help 'the cause' either. (Oda probably wants people to perceive it that way as well).
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@The:
And that's one reason why a lot of people–including myself--see the World Government as the 'evil faction' of One Piece; because REAL people believe it's ethically wrong. Having people, like Akainu, in high places of power doesn't help 'the cause' either. (Oda probably wants people to perceive it that way as well).
Well, the point is that the creation of the Pacifistas, from an in-universe perspective of an average citizen, is actually a good thing because they're used to terminate pirates and other criminals. Nobody really cares about the unfortunate implications surrounding the Pacifistas.
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Hey, don't go thinking that the ethics of the world of One Piece are the same as ours. After all, they have a government that's not above killing pregnant women to prevent a future "evil".
I do not think its same, and agree it changes with time and culture.
We have in deed seen some hints of ethics in the OP, from the reactions of the pirates that mentioned VEgapunk's experiments and Chopper's debate with Hogback and even little things like Nami's shock of hearing of slaves on sale the first time at SA. She even said that slavery was outlawed
Ethics are something that evolve with time. There are many things in our time that have existed for years or even centuries, but became controversial only recently. Plus, I doubt the average citizen of One Piece is conscious enough to protest about the implications created by the Pacifistas, especially when they're just there to protect them from criminals.
I think you misunderstand where I am comming from, or I may be misunderestand what you are trying to say. I am not talking about rationalizing the storyline, or about how the charaters in the story should feel.
I am talking as a fan to other fans.
Some fans try to ignore what a character did, thinking if that is wrong we can't like him so lets explain it away. Now not everyone is like that but some are. I think we can enjoy a character who has a bad rep without trying to take something away even if its questionable to the reader
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Heck, Luffy himself is not an evil dude at all, but the fact that he acknowledges himself as a pirate (i. e. criminal) means that he's breaking the law. Is breaking laws an ethically correct thing to do?
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It would interesting to find out if the harpy girl was a member of Law's crew because he had two years to get new members before she got changed but she was most likely on the island before he came however he might take her with him as a member if he has to leave the island because of the Strawhat's beating CC.
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People need to calm down over Zoro, Sanji, and Brook being defeated. They weren't injured, not even scratched, Nami sent Zoro w/ Sanji to keep Sanji arguing to prevent Sanji/Nami from looking at Nami's body. Even without knowing 100%, it's obvious Zoro and Sanji were arguing because they can't stand each other and were no paying attention regardless if they have CoO haki. Brook's gag is he gets scared despite being a skeleton so he probably did the same thing he did when he first saw Kizaru, freeze and get scared.
On a sidenote, Anyone else thinking that the guy Caribou mentioned telling about Poseidon is the same guy CC got permission to kill G5 & SHs from?
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On a sidenote, Anyone else thinking that the guy Caribou mentioned telling about Poseidon is the same guy CC got permission to kill G5 & SHs from?
A marine-killing rookie from Paradise looking to suck up to a marine from the New World? Sounds plausible, all right…
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Heck, Luffy himself is not an evil dude at all, but the fact that he acknowledges himself as a pirate (i. e. criminal) means that he's breaking the law. Is breaking laws an ethically correct thing to do?
It is if your government is a borderline dictatorship.
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People need to calm down over Zoro, Sanji, and Brook being defeated. They weren't injured, not even scratched, Nami sent Zoro w/ Sanji to keep Sanji arguing to prevent Sanji/Nami from looking at Nami's body. Even without knowing 100%, it's obvious Zoro and Sanji were arguing because they can't stand each other and were no paying attention regardless if they have CoO haki. Brook's gag is he gets scared despite being a skeleton so he probably did the same thing he did when he first saw Kizaru, freeze and get scared.
On a sidenote, Anyone else thinking that the guy Caribou mentioned telling about Poseidon is the same guy CC got permission to kill G5 & SHs from?
Nope, the same warlord that recruited Bellamy did.
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Heck, Luffy himself is not an evil dude at all, but the fact that he acknowledges himself as a pirate (i. e. criminal) means that he's breaking the law. Is breaking laws an ethically correct thing to do?
That entirely depends on what law you're breaking, and who writes and enforces them. In the case of Luffy, and generally speaking the whole One Piece Universe, the act of setting out as a pirate in and of itself, and in the process of such an act rejecting The World Government, is not unethical.
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@The:
And that's one reason why a lot of people–including myself--see the World Government as the 'evil faction' of One Piece; because REAL people believe it's ethically wrong. Having people, like Akainu, in high places of power doesn't help 'the cause' either. (Oda probably wants people to perceive it that way as well).
How I feel is that the SH World is sorta like that old Ben Franklin quote, "Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither and will lose both". People were so afraid during the time of the Void Century that they surrendered themselves to a One World Government. Pretty telling that the Celestial Dragons are considered so highly because they're descendants of the people who created the Government, and I think the woman shown said that they're "descendants of the saviors of the world." This fear of course is kept alive still by pirates, which is why Pacifistas would most likely be deemed necessary by the public at large.
Whether you like it or not, it seems pretty obvious now what Oda is trying to do with Caesar's character, even if we disregard the whole Punk Hazard referrencing to 731.
There's no problem with the referrences, anyhow. It's not like children are aware of it, it's for the more adult audience that reads the manga and will understand them.
On the Wikipedia page for Unit 731 I found this pretty telling:
"In addition, poisoned food and candies were given out to unsuspecting victims and children, and the results examined."
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Anyone else think that having a duo known as the "Yeti brothers" is a really bad sign for this arc?
I seem to remember another fun, interesting arc see its pacing disrupted by this very same thing:
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Shudders