Hearing how bad the quality dropped I do wonder if it is even worth it to start reading from the beginning now.
Food Wars - It's In the Trash
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I don't get it. Half the people that come into this thread, are only here to shit on the manga. Yet you're still reading it. Chill the fuck out, we're gonna find out that there's some vague connection between Soma and Erina's mum and that this was the destiny the author hinted towards at the very beginning of the manga anyway. There's yet to be a manga in WSJ that I've not seen people complain about. Given that the magazine is aimed at 10 year olds, perhaps the problem isn't the material, but rather you. Move on, it's time for you to start reading more mature stuff, perhaps it's time for to switch to light novels. [emoji2982]
There can be needless shit posting about a series that can be exacerbating to see. Heck, I know at a certain point in the Bleach section I gave up giving actual critical analysis just to do that. That said, there is a difference between that and giving actual criticism of the series for what could have been done better. My point with Megumi wasn't something that I was just hoping would happen, but something that was set up near the start of the series. We were given the start of her character and she was slowly built up over time, but when the ball is dropped and her final moments of character development are not given proper time then I think it's fair to criticize that. If I was getting tired of the foodgasms part or thought it was unnecessary that would be more growing out of that part. Just because it's for a younger audience doesn't mean that story and character development should be skipped. Plenty of entertainment meant for kids that have good story that can still be appealing to people much older.
Hearing how bad the quality dropped I do wonder if it is even worth it to start reading from the beginning now.
If you don't mind watching the anime, I think you can watch the first two seasons and enjoy it quite a bit. There will still be a sense of there's more to the journey, but when I watched it back when it came out it gave satisfactory feeling and I could've easily ended it there.
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@The:
If you don't mind watching the anime, I think you can watch the first two seasons and enjoy it quite a bit. There will still be a sense of there's more to the journey, but when I watched it back when it came out it gave satisfactory feeling and I could've easily ended it there.
Yeah I think I'm gonna watch the anime, since I watched the first 2-3 episodes months ago already.
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"People talking shit about a series I like with actual legitimate criticism? Their criticisms must be invalid!"
Megumi getting trashed is indefensible. I mean, most other stuff that the series does is indefensible, but this is like the only character that actually got any character development.
Or how we've completely skipped out on any actual food cooking premises.
Or lost any semblance of charm.
Like I mean, yes? The series is garbage! And we are free to be upset at the wasted potential. Just saying "it's aimed at a younger demographic" doesn't exonerate it from basic writing mistakes, especially when the series is tanking in the rankings in its own target demographic.
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See that's why i advocate that jump system is shit
So many good stories and potential ruin.
Let your authors take a break to prevent them from going batshit crazy.
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I think the break is good in terms of the art portion of it, but does it affect the actual written plot? The authors should know where they want to the story to go and who to do what in advance shouldn't they?
I just don't understand how the author could think the readers liked Erina's family plot mucking up what was pretty solid progression. And then to think we'd want more of her smug family and for Soma to have weird family issues intermingled as well.
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I think the break is good in terms of the art portion of it, but does it affect the actual written plot? The authors should know where they want to the story to go and who to do what in advance shouldn't they?
I just don't understand how the author could think the readers liked Erina's family plot mucking up what was pretty solid progression. And then to think we'd want more of her smug family and for Soma to have weird family issues intermingled as well.
I'd guess what sound good during a hard week where you had to rush a page out, then the next week seems like a terrible idea. Like devoting a whole arc for a plot of having a man trying to decide the future of restaurants for the whole country, or a jerk trying to force a girl into a marriage through cooking.
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I think the break is good in terms of the art portion of it, but does it affect the actual written plot? The authors should know where they want to the story to go and who to do what in advance shouldn't they?
Of course he should. Even if you're stressed out, as long as you have a good idea where you want to take the story you're writing, it will be fine. Sadly, this author doesn't care anymore and we can tell. Even I cannot defend this shit any longer.
But using it as an excuse to blame the Jump system is naive and a bad attempt at justifying something that is entirely the author's fault.
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! I think the author wants to bed with Asahi as much as Kishimoto wants it with Sasuke.
! I wouldn't be surprised, but still gonna be upset, if Erina has to be the one to put Asahi in this place…Or even have Asahi wins at the end of everything and turns out everybody will be happier that way because reasons. -
There was no buildup to this climax at all IMO, but it was that gratuitous panty shot pissed me off a lot.
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There was no buildup to this climax at all IMO, but it was that gratuitous panty shot pissed me off a lot.
I came to post the same thing lol. So unnecessary it hurts lol.
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At least we are getting towards the ending.
The final battle seems like it will be Soma vs Erina/Erinas mother
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was done in the next five chapters at the rate the story has been moving.
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All this rushing because of terrible ratings just reminds me of Beelzebub.
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I don't get it. Half the people that come into this thread, are only here to shit on the manga. Yet you're still reading it. Chill the fuck out, we're gonna find out that there's some vague connection between Soma and Erina's mum and that this was the destiny the author hinted towards at the very beginning of the manga anyway. There's yet to be a manga in WSJ that I've not seen people complain about. Given that the magazine is aimed at 10 year olds, perhaps the problem isn't the material, but rather you. Move on, it's time for you to start reading more mature stuff, perhaps it's time for to switch to light novels. [emoji2982]
Isn't that what people do on
ArlongParkthe internet? Look at the Fairy Tail and Bleach forums which were plagued by people constantly dumping on the series. It's like those posters could not accept other people liked something they didn't and would only be satisfied when they convinced the fans to stop enjoying it. It's even worse when you see thread titles such as "Re: Food Wars? More like "Belongs in the Trash"". It really turned me off to these forums for quite awhile.As to Food Wars, I stopped enjoying it awhile back because it felt repetitive. I will read the odd chapter release here and there to see where the series is going. But will I waste my precious time to trash it? No. I have far better things to do with my time.
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That's an insecure way of taking it, honestly. It really has nothing to do with other people liking a series or not. It's fun to trash series for some people, and that's fine really. It's okay if you can't relate to this, but don't take it so personally.
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Eh. I don't think this thread has stooped to the levels of what the Naruto and Bleach threads were before, especially when they were combined. I don't read Fairy Tale so I haven't really delved into its board, but I'd wager the way those threads were handled caused some folks to stop coming here. It never made much sense to me to not provide decent places for those who desired discussion to actually discuss two of the more popular series of all times, while they were still running.
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I think both both positive and negative discussion are equally valid really. I don't think an environment being harsh is unhealthy at all, as long as the harshness is directed at the series and not other people.
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@David:
I think both both positive and negative discussion are equally valid really. I don't think an environment being harsh is unhealthy at all, as long as the harshness is directed at the series and not other people.
I think if certain voices are drowned out and discussion can only be had one way or the other, then their is an issue. Naruto and Bleach were big enough series to deserve multiple threads as the discussion was so polarizing. The forum isn't busy enough for this to be the case today, so it's less of a worry. I haven't seen the amount of vitriol that Naruto and Bleach used to get in probably 4 or 5 years.
edit: There were a lot of rude people back then btw. Most of the hate was pointed toward the series, but a lot of it was at anyone who dared enjoy it as well. Not much of that anymore, though it could be pretty funny.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. Though I think it's fine for a thread to naturally lean one way, as long as it's not telling people to stop posting altogether for feeling differently. I mean disagreeing or arguing is fine.
I thought the Naruto/Bleach threads were hilarious for the most part. They were like my daily dose of sass at the time, hehe. <3
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@David:
That's an insecure way of taking it, honestly. It really has nothing to do with other people liking a series or not. It's fine to trash series for fun for some people, and that's fine really. It's okay if you can't relate to this, but don't take it so personally.
Oh, don't get me wrong; I didn't take it personally. I just didn't understand the point of posters coming to a thread just to dump all over a manga they did not enjoy. It's a waste of their time and mine. So instead of pointlessly complaining about it, I just stopped viewing those threads and then stopped visiting the forum with any sort of frequency.
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I mean it's not really a waste of their time if they find complaining a fun form of expression. I don't think it needs to have a grand point to it really.
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Except it puts the forum on shameful 4chan levels. We can criticize and that's all good, but without falling in the absurd of shitposting.
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We aren't solely shitting on series. When they do something good they get praised. Shokugeki has been a mess for years now. It has severe ups and downs. I don't know about others, but if I had already spent years reading a series and then it jumped the shark I can't just abandon it. Especially when it looks close to done. But I'm also not going to let it slide when it's being trash lol. And a lot of the recent chapters are barely worth long paragraphs of critiques.
Bleach was a massive disappointment after starting off so strong. So yeah that one was fun to point out the absurdity. Naruto threw it's themes out the door with retcons abd couldn't do humor well in the second half. And then we were given random pairings and some shitty kids (not all of them). Fairy Tail was meh from the start and couldn't really let me down.
But what it really comes down to is that I enjoy this forum and work is mostly slow.
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Naruto's bad writing was so fun <3
Some of the most fun I've had with a bad series lol.
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It'd be one thing if there was general discussion and critique of the series from the people that somehow enjoy the contrived writing and admitting its flaws, but when the arguments boil down to "it's just a romcom! rom coms are just fun and that invalidates any critique you have against it! The series is still really good!" (which is a ridiculous argument considering how good the writing can be in a romcom), that doesn't particularly engender good discussion of the series, either. Rather, it's more of a flaw that only serves to repudiate any form of actual issue that people can have in favor of blind support no matter how off the deep end the writing is (and has been since Azami showed up).
Yes, the series is a shonen manga that is aimed towards kids, but I also find it kind of insulting to children that people think that they'll tune into whatever trash you put in front of them as well, especially considering that soma has been doing awful in the rankings as polled by its target demographic. Writing for children doesn't excuse it from basic writing mistakes.
Take the Kingdom thread, for example, where at least people are willing to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the series based on its regular shortcomings. If the arguments were just talking about how the series is just mindless fun and that you shouldn't criticize it when it's just an action series, then it'd be a lot more of an issue in terms of the quality of its discussion. The forum certainly has its slant, and if it's not for you, then it's not for you. This is not a place that claims neutrality in its discussion, and if the general users of the forum are more critical, then so it is.
I will say that although I am a h8r, if the writers got their act together and pulled it through to actually have a coherent storyline, it would receive appropriate praise. It's why we've stuck it out so long when you had nice, charming arcs with Megumi and some actually more intense matches during the autumn festival. It's had that potential before, and we've stuck around for so long that we may as well see how it ends. It's also why it sucks when Megumi gets completely shafted virtually off-screen without an actual shokugeki win to her name in this series.
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If Aldini is the Yamcha, then I guess Megumi is…Chiaotzu?
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attempted to help out against the big bad, basically did a suicide run, big bad virtually comes out unscathed
Sounds about right
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hmm..it must be italian so it will be some kind of pasta
it must be chinese so we deep fry it
it must also be french so we add tons of butter
it has to be turkish so we add kebab and vegetables
it has to be indian so we add tons of spices
done
/jk
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Soma is going to make an aroma bomb calzone, in shialobao dough, with butter, curry and falafel.
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I didn't knew Turkish Cuisine was that influential.
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The five great cuisines are French, Italian, Chinese, Japanese and either Mexican or Jamaican. Turkish cuisine isn't even in the same league.
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Turkish I suppose is the author's way of saying middle eastern/mediterranean food, which would be somewhat appropriate, if at least a little (a lot) of generalization.
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What's wrong with shitposting about trashy writing?
It's fun and get the point across: the point being that it is so trashy that no amount of criticism is worth writing for.
At certain points of a failing manga, it can be quite evident that the author has stopped trying.
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Mexican and Japanesse have not the ammount of spread that Turkish (because is an overgeneralization of Arab cusine) or Indian (just by the sheer volume of indian people) could have.
Besides "Mexican" food is just their adaptation of the precolumbian Aztec cusine with the overcoat of spanish cusine that we all got to share, it is not any greater or better than argentinian, colombian, peruvian, brazilian, cuban, dominican, venezuelan, or any other, sharing the base ingredients and adding their "healty" ammount of spice.
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Mexican and Japanesse have not the ammount of spread that Turkish (because is an overgeneralization of Arab cusine) or Indian (just by the sheer volume of indian people) could have.
Besides "Mexican" food is just their adaptation of the precolumbian Aztec cusine with the overcoat of spanish cusine that we all got to share, it is not any greater or better than argentinian, colombian, peruvian, brazilian, cuban, dominican, venezuelan, or any other, sharing the base ingredients and adding their "healty" ammount of spice.
I'm pretty sure that Japan has had more Michelin stars than Turkey and Greece put together.
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If we're counting by Michelin Stars, then how are Mexico or Jamaica even in contention for top 5? And where are American, Spanish, British, or German cuisine if we are to say that Michelin star restaurants represent the cuisines with the most influence?
Like in what world is Jamaican cuisine a more influential cuisine compared to the region of the world that gave us gyros, kebabs, falafel, Pita bread, greek yogurt, an entire diet named after the mediterranean, and the insane set of variations of anything mentioned or unmentioned in every country in the middle east?
Any list that the author picks out is going to be pretty arbitrary given that cuisine influence is going to be a hot topic, but just straight up writing off one of the most historically traversed regions where ideas and food would naturally be exchanged and brought to different shores seems to be kind of odd, especially if we are to use michelin stars as a metric.
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Depending if its true or not, Soma could end in 15 chapters
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The pacing makes it feel like it could be less than that.
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The pacing makes it feel like it could be less than that.
Depends on if we can finish up the series in the span of time we have left to fill a volume I guess.
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all this dicussion about how asahi is awesome would have much mroe weight if all that ablity wasn't due to some kind of super-power that has no place in the manga we knew.
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all this dicussion about how asahi is awesome would have much mroe weight if all that ablity wasn't due to some kind of super-power that has no place in the manga we knew.
Also if he wasn't kidnapping a high schooler girl to try and force her into marriage.
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Also if he wasn't kidnapping a high schooler girl to try and force her into marriage.
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You are focusing on the "highschool" part too much, you should focus in the "kidnapping" and "force".
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@Purple:
If we're counting by Michelin Stars, then how are Mexico or Jamaica even in contention for top 5? And where are American, Spanish, British, or German cuisine if we are to say that Michelin star restaurants represent the cuisines with the most influence?
Like in what world is Jamaican cuisine a more influential cuisine compared to the region of the world that gave us gyros, kebabs, falafel, Pita bread, greek yogurt, an entire diet named after the mediterranean, and the insane set of variations of anything mentioned or unmentioned in every country in the middle east?
Any list that the author picks out is going to be pretty arbitrary given that cuisine influence is going to be a hot topic, but just straight up writing off one of the most historically traversed regions where ideas and food would naturally be exchanged and brought to different shores seems to be kind of odd, especially if we are to use michelin stars as a metric.
Honestly, I thought it was obvious that I just added Mexican and Jamaican for personal reasons.
Nonetheless, Japan has the most Michelin stars, followed by France, Spain, England and then Germany.
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I don't think those stars means too much when it comes to cuisine styles.
Or should I believe England and Germany have a stronger cuisine than Italy and China?
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Honestly, I thought it was obvious that I just added Mexican and Jamaican for personal reasons.
Nonetheless, Japan has the most Michelin stars, followed by France, Spain, England and then Germany.
Considering that Michelin Stars are still a metric for you for this and your previous points of putting Mediterranean food out of the cultural influence picture, I wouldn't say anything is obvious as a joke.
Michelin stars are a good indicator of a decent indicator of quality of the restaurant as "really" good, but it can't be taken outside of a vacuum. They're guides written for specific areas, and they don't cover the entire world. The country specific ones are all purely focused on European countries, with other regions of the world delegated to just specific cities. Specific locales in America and Asia
And with that, certain regions are much, much easier to obtain michelin stars than other places. The fact that Japan got so many restaurants awarded stars was actually a controversial point a few years back because there were accusations of leniency by the michelin guide, and it's also somewhat known that it's easier to get michelin stars in southeast asia as well.
It's the same reason why American Michelin guides are fairly weak overall with the Los Angeles guide being suspended despite the high amount of high quality restaurants there. James Beard awards are taken more seriously in the culinary community here, although if a restaurant were to earn michelin stars then that wouldn't be a knock to them.
But the moral of the story is that any of these awards and honors are not indicators of worldwide cultural influence of food.
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is he that much older?
genuinely asking, dunno how old he is15 when Soma mom died and Jou left him so I'll just use a base of 8 years and say he is 23.
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is he that much older?
genuinely asking, dunno how old he isHe's in his early 20's I think but it wasn't stated fully. But still Erina is only a 2nd year high school student. Also she didn't want to marry him.