Chapter 650 : Two changes you need to know.

King Cannon

Well they need a more interesting position. we can't just have everyone dropping out of the marines. Also Akainu is probably unaware of what happened with Smoker and if Coby and Smoker show great results, especially on the battlefield then he has no real reason ot keep them behind

They would have to change their personalities (especially Smoker) and views on Justice (especially Coby) before that happens. Smoker would have to become more obedient and responsible and Coby would have to accept Absolute Justice.

NewWorldSanji

@Nycprodigy:

Not to me it isn't jumps in popularity or power have been shown plenty of times in the series and I don't expect it to stop soon.

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Nycprodigy

@King:

They would have to change their personalities (especially Smoker) and views on Justice (especially Coby) before that happens. Smoker would have to become more obedient and responsible and Coby would have to accept Absolute Justice.

It's not like Akainu is a supreme ruler now, he can't change their personalities just as Sengoku couldn't change Akainu's. And as shown in this chapter and the one with Moriah. There are people above the Fleet Admiral such as Kong and the Gorousei who can overlook and change certain suggestions and so forth

rubia_ryu

@rubia_ryu:

If it helps, the Left Minister in the last panel isn't asking a question. He tells the soldier to somehow work out an excuse. And Big Mam is rather aggressive, so it's not just "taking" a country.

The lack of script really hinders my efforts, unfortunately.

This is something I found using Google search: http://www.bokkom.com/about_bokkoms.htm

…I'm not sure what that means about one of Big Mam's messengers.

akagami7

coby being a viceadmiral seems like a huge jump to me, I think he could be in any rank between captain and ensign, but commodore, rear-admiral or vice-admiral seems unlikely for the moment, maybe in one or two arcs he'll get higher.

Yonkou255

BIG MAM!

Man, the translation was TERRIBLE!

Keo2309

@Czechmate:

Blackbeard's "jump in popularity" is almost solely due to the fact that he ate the Yami Yami no Mi. Physically he's still pretty underwhelming; he'd be an absolute nobody without his Devil Fruit powers. Oda isn't going to pull something like that with Coby, and as people have said, Sakazuki as the new Fleet Admiral is hardly gonna stand for the punk that told him off during the war shooting up the ranks like that.

Lol, that's a ridiculous statement. Blackbeard was stated to have given Shanks his scar long before he received the Yami fruit. Also, when Ace was being promoted to 2nd division leader he asked Teach for permission. Plus, just the time he was with the Whitebeard pirates alone show you he's no pushover.

I can easily see Oda jumping Coby ahead though, not like it's unprecedented for him. The marines don't really seem to go much by duty served, so much as what they accomplish in the OP world. Based on Sakazuki's feelings towards our young pink haired friend though, I totally agree with you.

Nycprodigy

@akagami7:

coby being a viceadmiral seems like a huge jump to me, I think he could be in any rank between captain and ensign, but commodore, rear-admiral or vice-admiral seems unlikely for the moment, maybe in one or two arcs he'll get higher.

Think about it, Coby is almost as determined as Luffy and Coby's goal is to become an admiral which may change soon. Pre-time skip, it took the hwole crew to kill one Pacifista and now Luffy can destroy one in a G2 punch with haki. Maybe you're right, maybe vice admiral is too much at his rate, but he might become a commodre or atleast a rear admiral. He was trained by garp afterall

Czechmate

@Keo2309:

Lol, that's a ridiculous statement. Blackbeard was stated to have given Shanks his scar long before he received the Yami fruit. Also, when Ace was being promoted to 2nd division leader he asked Teach for permission. Plus, just the time he was with the Whitebeard pirates alone show you he's no pushover.

Fair enough, I suppose it was a bit of hyperbole on my part, but I think it's still fair to say that Blackbeard wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful without his fruits; he did indeed scar Shanks, but we don't know how long ago that was and their relative power at that time. When fighting Ace, Luffy and Whitebeard, we saw that he doesn't take hits very well; compared with all other pirates, yes, he's on a higher level, but relative to the world's top combatants (Marines, pirates, etc) he'd be fairly shrimpy without his powers, I think.

King Cannon

@Nycprodigy:

It's not like Akainu is a supreme ruler now, he can't change their personalities just as Sengoku couldn't change Akainu's. And as shown in this chapter and the one with Moriah. There are people above the Fleet Admiral such as Kong and the Gorousei who can overlook and change certain suggestions and so forth

In the case of Sengoku, the WG actually liked Akainu and the way he dealt with things, so Sengoku had little choice but tolerate Akainu. The case with Smoker and Coby is harder to deal with.

Smoker is not changing anytime soon, as he doesn't care about promotions and is too insubordinate for the WG's liking. Neither Akainu or the Gorousei would support him for Admiral, but he can achieve something lower.

I actually would like to see Coby change his views of Justice. It would be nice character development for him to change for the sake of his dream, but it's unlikely. Akainu wouldn't support him for personal reasons.

vlad Dracul

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Venomous Warden

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Aaronrules380

@King:

In the case of Sengoku, the WG actually liked Akainu and the way he dealt with things, so Sengoku had little choice but tolerate Akainu. The case with Smoker and Coby is harder to deal with.

Smoker is not changing anytime soon, as he doesn't care about promotions and is too insubordinate for the WG's liking. Neither Akainu or the Gorousei would support him for Admiral, but he can achieve something lower.

I actually would like to see Coby change his views of Justice. It would be nice character development for him to change for the sake of his dream, but it's unlikely. Akainu wouldn't support him for personal reasons.

Actually, Smoker does care about rank after Alabasta, since he needs it to be able to be better able to pursure Luffy. COuple this with him being one of the first marines to transfer to the New World after the war, and I see him as a strong possibility, especially as we always knew he was strong enough to merit a higher rank

Kisoto

Ah, late to the party, but "I became old on purpose" had me laughing for longer than it should have. I'd tell Zeo to never change, but I know he won't, even when aged into oblivion!

And all that stuff about Sakazuki and Kuzan! I really like that things actually happened during the break that we're not getting to see, but hear about. It makes everything really feel like it's going somewhere since the world wasn't about to stop and wait for the SHs. Hope to see Kuzan being all sorts of rebel awesome eventually!

Venomous Warden

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Kisoto

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Nycprodigy

I hate how blackbeard stole Luffy's fame DX

Venomous Warden

Fantastic chapter, so many big reveals and info. As many others have said zeo getting old on purpose was priceless. Cant wait to see the full powered up blackbeard crew, i assume many will have devil fruit powers by the time we see them. And as for the navy staff change up, its pretty big but about where most expected things to change, I wonder who will be promoted to the admiral and shichibukai postions now. Guess we finally found out about the huge event oda had mentioned in sbs
Magellan for Admiral! runs

So much new info makes me even more gitty for future chapters, not that i wasnt already

GJardim

@Venomous:

Hannyabal for Admiral! runs

Someone fixed it, it wasn't me… :ninja:

Lazy Justice

Smoker is a smart guy, he could easily be an Admiral. He gets stuff done, and his personal 'slip-ups' haven't been well-documented. With Haki training he could easily be a VA/A.

Coby, no chance. He might be a VA if Akainu doesn't remember him.

choperman

Are these guys big time fighters of Big Mama you think or just small time members to get the candy??? I can't imagine luffy zoro and sanji being at the level to fight the top 3 subordinates of a yonkou, even together

the top 3 for White Beard was marco, ace, jozu and shanks seems to beckmen lucky roo, and yasopp so I'd assume all the top 3 of each yonkou is top-top tier where as I'd imagine Luffy is in the top tier of the world but only ath the bottom, with the weaker shichibukai

NewWorldSanji

@Venomous:

SADI-CHAN for Admiral! leaps for joy

Now everything is alright.

Pantheras

I rather disagree that Akainu would constantly hold Coby back from attaining higher ranks. He might initially, but if Coby has been doing incredible things during the time-skip that have helped the marines in many ways, then he will promote Coby. I'm not saying he would be happy about it, but I don't think Akainu is a petulant child to the point where he will hold back talented marines. For all we know, at the end of the war, Akainu could have changed his mind and thought Coby may have been partially right. I'm not suggesting he ever apologized to Coby or he is now treating Coby particularly well, but he may not be holding the grudge against him. And even if he is still mad about what happened, I still think his mind is still ultimately on dealing with the threats of the New World, namely Blackbeard. Holding back marines with enormous potential that can turn tide in the favor of the government can only hinder them, which leads me to believe that Akainu will not completely hold Coby back from attaining the ranks he may deserve, especially if Garp is giving his full support behind Coby, regardless of Akainu's feelings toward him.

Baou Zakurga

Im surprised that the government would allow Aojiki to roam free,especially with that power,I would think theyed lock him in Impel Down.

King Cannon

@Venomous:

Fantastic chapter, so many big reveals and info. As many others have said zeo getting old on purpose was priceless. Cant wait to see the full powered up blackbeard crew, i assume many will have devil fruit powers by the time we see them. And as for the navy staff change up, its pretty big but about where most expected things to change, I wonder who will be promoted to the admiral and shichibukai postions now. Guess we finally found out about the huge event oda had mentioned in sbs
Magellan for Admiral! runs

So much new info makes me even more gitty for future chapters, not that i wasnt already

When I saw you and your post, a horrible thought came into my head.

Blackbeard knows how powerful Magellan's DF is… and he's going into a powerful DF hunt.

GJardim

@Baou:

Im surprised that the government would allow Aojiki to roam free,especially with that power,I would think theyed lock him in Impel Down.

Well, it's not like he's a criminal, a pirate or something…

King Cannon

@Baou:

Im surprised that the government would allow Aojiki to roam free,especially with that power,I would think theyed lock him in Impel Down.

Well, they didn't try to lock Sengoku, did they?

NewWorldSanji

@Baou:

Im surprised that the government would allow Aojiki to roam free,especially with that power,I would think theyed lock him in Impel Down.

You cant put someone in jail simply for wanting to resign. I'm pretty sure the WG knows how lazy Kuzan is and since he dose not have to work anymore, they're pretty sure he off on a nice Vacation Island resting in a recliner chair. This is probably around the time that someone from the World Revs will approach him about a position, and since he has nothing better to he'll join as easily as Brook.

"Well,Sure"

"Humming" Brook

Lazy Justice

Aokiji and Smoker = Spike and Jet.

Killax

I love the new chapter, as said in the spoiler discussion!

I think Aokiji will do something alongside the marines, like an own cp9.

But we will see what hapens.

BB for yonkou is epic: yayayayayayayaya

Primo11

Dam, so much that was predicted is confirmed in this chapter! I mean it's awesome that some predictions are so good it's not a question of if they're true but when, and how they will be revealed.

Anyways this chapter was awesome and exactly what I was waiting for.

As for Smoker, I think this was mentioned already but the "Clear Justice" or something along those lines will be a good one to describe him. (Clear Justice, I would describe as Smoker being honest and telling things like they are like when he was trying to tell the marines that it was Luffy that defeated Crocodile.

Jet Gatling

Wowee, Teach and his crew really are the polar opposites of Luffy and the Straw Hats. They keep stealing the strength of others, without having faith in their own. They plan everything they do and believe in an unchangeable fate, while the SH do things on the fly and each follow their own path. It really is incredible. Anyway, about time we have another Logia not on the side of the bad guys. Where will Kuzan go now?

King Cannon

@choperman:

Are these guys big time fighters of Big Mama you think or just small time members to get the candy??? I can't imagine luffy zoro and sanji being at the level to fight the top 3 subordinates of a yonkou, even together

the top 3 for White Beard was marco, ace, jozu and shanks seems to beckmen lucky roo, and yasopp so I'd assume all the top 3 of each yonkou is top-top tier where as I'd imagine Luffy is in the top tier of the world but only ath the bottom, with the weaker shichibukai

They're probably somewhere below the level of a Vice-Admiral. Not the strongest, but strong and trustable enough to handle her precious candy without problems.

Thunder Luffy

just some suggestions/predictions I would like to add

what if Coby is being trained by Sengoku and Garp and they went full speed on him as plan to make him admiral as fast as posible so they would feel at easy with the marines
what if Akainu or Sakasuki how you choose it is supporting Coby because of his potential to be strong, personally I give this a big chance Akainu is a fleet-admiral(also when he was admiral) who chooses power above al ells
as for how this arc is going to end I think it could go 2 ways
1. Big Mom and the strawhats start a big fight fishmen island ends up destroyed like predicted and there is no clear winner between the 2 (not each fight has to have a clear winner) also I wouldn't be supriced if Big Mom does show up that Caribou has some connection with her
2. Big Mom is Lola's mom and every one ends up supriced and big mom excuses fishmen island for ones

DRAGONPIECEZ

Yamakaji for Admiral

T-Bone for Vice Admiral

PLEASE make it happen, Oda.

Juvar

Loving Zeo. "I planned to get old!" He's so full of win. :happy:

Shift

@Essam:

Ya I call it long ago , I believe her mother will be an officer under her command or even her first mate but a younko come on

I think people were calling it as soon as the words "BigMam", "yonkou", and "New World" were uttered.

isrnick

@Vermouth:

I think the same. Is nice that Toriko replaced Yu Yu Hakusho with swords from Jump's Monster Trio.

Please don't ever, EVER, compare Yu Yu Hakusho to that thing as if they are even remotely related…

Katzztar

@King:

Smoker is not changing anytime soon, as he doesn't care about promotions and is too insubordinate for the WG's liking. Neither Akainu or the Gorousei would support him for Admiral, but he can achieve something lower.

@Aaronrules380:

Actually, Smoker does care about rank after Alabasta, since he needs it to be able to be better able to pursure Luffy. COuple this with him being one of the first marines to transfer to the New World after the war, and I see him as a strong possibility, especially as we always knew he was strong enough to merit a higher rank

I agree that he is strong enough for higher rank than comodore but I do not think that he will become admiral even if he's strong enough for it. He is too much like Garp, who was strong enough to be offered rank of admiral way back when Roger was still alive, but Garp refused say it'd "cramp his style" meaning he wouldn't be able to focus so much on chasing Roger. Admirals do have other duties …. like being on call to strike if someone just punches an Tenryuubito.

Some have added the link where Smoker said they needed rank, showing he does care for promotions. What the people who are supporting "Smoker for Admiral" are forgeting is that while Smoker does want smoe promotion, its only so he can go to the New World and continue to chase Luffy. Smoker said that about rank after reading on the Strawhats progress.
That is why he wanted the rank in the first place = to have the ability to leave one side of Grand Line for the other as he chased after Luffy. However, being an Admiral would limit his ability to chase after just one pirate

Why make Coby admiral when he wasn't even captain at the war where some vice-admirals showed how good they are? Onigumo was able to cuff Marco while Coby wasn't able to fight there. Sure he could(and I believe he did so) have improved in the two years but there are vice admirals that have far more experience.

Kingdomkey

Excellent chapter, so many revelations and I agree with what was stated earlier that One Piece is at it's best once again. I'm unsure if Luffy used haki to send Caribou flying or actually punched him. As for replacements for Aokiji and Akainu as admirals I can see Smoker being promoted to admiral then maybe one of the Pre-TS Vice admirals becoming one or an entirely new character. I see the whole Aokiji leaving the marines as foreshadowing for Aokiji allying with the Straw Hats in perhaps the final battle I doubt he will join the crew though. Looking forward to actually seeing Big Mam, what her messengers look like and Luffy's reaction to her. Maybe a conflict between Luffy and Big Mam is actually what destroys fishman island.

King Cannon

@Katzztar:

I agree that he is strong enough for higher rank than comodore but I do not think that he will become admiral even if he's strong enough for it. He is too much like Garp, who was strong enough to be offered rank of admiral way back when Roger was still alive, but Garp refused say it'd "cramp his style" meaning he wouldn't be able to focus so much on chasing Roger. Admirals do have other duties …. like being on call to strike if someone just punches an Tenryuubito.

Some have added the link where Smoker said they needed rank, showing he does care for promotions. What the people who are supporting "Smoker for Admiral" are forgeting is that while Smoker does want smoe promotion, its only so he can go to the New World and continue to chase Luffy. Smoker said that about rank after reading on the Strawhats progress.
That is why he wanted the rank in the first place = to have the ability to leave one side of Grand Line for the other as he chased after Luffy. However, being an Admiral would limit his ability to chase after just one pirate

Why make Coby admiral when he wasn't even captain at the war where some vice-admirals showed how good they are? Onigumo was able to cuff Marco while Coby wasn't able to fight there. Sure he could(and I believe he did so) have improved in the two years but there are vice admirals that have far more experience.

I forgot about that part in Alabasta. But still, being an Admiral would actually restrict his freedom due to the duties and responsibilities that come with the rank. The WG and the new Fleet Admiral wouldn't approve his constant chasing of a single pirate. Like I said in that post, he could achieve something lower than Admiral and be happy with it.

So, yeah. I agree with you.

Romani94

-Love this chapter. Jimbe telling evrything that happened during the last 2 years. I like that luffy touch the scar on his chest when he said Akainu.

-Akainu as FA and BB as yonkou, killing powerful devil fruits users and stealing their devil fruits?, The new World is becoming more dangerous than ever. I wish they could hurry up and go to new world already. I hope shirahoshi won't join them.

-I bet Magellan is the new admiral.

-Can't wait to see what big mam looks like.

-And lol that the new fishmen pirates became old and pathetic, yet they still have their confidence.

city_lights31

@isrnick:

Please don't ever, EVER, compare Yu Yu Hakusho to that thing as if they are even remotely related…

Are you referring to Toriko whe you say 'that thing'?

Primo11

@city_lights31:

Are you referring to Toriko whe you say 'that thing'?

I think he's referring to Bleach.

Miss Saturday

@Romani94:

-I bet Magellan is the new admiral.

I was under the impression Magellan had quit his position out of shame until he caught all the escaped criminals. Regardless, he won't be one of the Admirals; you have to work your way up to that position, and last time we checked he was a warden - not even part of the official military.

If anything, Magellan has been working with Sengoku, Garp and maybe even Aokiji on catching these escaped inmates out of personal interest outside of the system and doing justice in their own way. Kuzan has too much respect for the Marines to become a Revolutionary.

isrnick

@city_lights31:

Are you referring to Toriko whe you say 'that thing'?

No.

16 characters

mickgreen58

Sweet chapter, lots of information.

Kind of sucks that Aokiji is not in the Marines anymore but I have to admit, it would have been odd to see Akainu reporting to him. It would interesting if Aokiji decided to turn pirate.

So the stage is being set for the Straw Hats to save the world from two extremes, the Blackbeard Pirates and this new Marine Corp styled after the extreme Akainu.

m00n

@Roronoa:

If BB or BB's black towel is able to steal fruits from the users' dead bodies, why didn't they also steal Ace' fruit? A logia is pure win among the DFs.
BBs will have to use floating tires once their ship sink.

Because at the time he needed Ace alive for his plan to have the Marines go to war with Whitebeard and use that as a distraction to break into Impel Down. To get his Devil Fruit he would have had to kill Ace. Also he wouldn't have gotten his chance at getting Whitebeards DF.

mickgreen58

@Baou:

Im surprised that the government would allow Aojiki to roam free,especially with that power,I would think theyed lock him in Impel Down.

I guess I kind of am as well. After all, they wouldn't allow Sengoku or Garp to outright quit the Marines.

More importantly, the guy surely has a lot of knowledge about the inner workings of the government and some tightly held secrets.

But as already stated, it isn't like he is a criminal.

HHunter

If this was naruto, BlackBeard will hunt DF users to steal their abilities in order to activate his moon-beard-plan