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      Law, since the beginning of the alliance, has been making plans… making it more like a chess game in the new world so far.
      So far it's led to
      1. A (temporary) capture of Ceasar,
      2. A (hesitant eventual possible) attack by admirals on Doflamingo since he quit the schichibukai, and
      3. Next a (rebuildable) destruction of Doflamingo's factories which is now necessary since they're giving Ceasar back.
      What if the Strawhats hadn't met Law there, and just found out about Ceasar and defeated him?
      1. Ceasar would have been out of the picture (permanently), taken by the marines with the help of Aokiji after having been defeated by Luffy,
      2. Kaidou would have (certainly, so it sounds) destroyed Doflamingo, and
      3. There'd be no need for taking down any factories since Ceasar would be gone.
      So far, all the strategizing seems to have weakened the results or made them more short-term, not benefitted them.
      If there isn't another step to make this all turn around, is Law just bad at strategizing (while still looking cool doing it)? Was Oda not as clever with his writing as usual this time? Could Law be working for someone else still?
      Regardless, it sounds like Law will be with them at least as far as Kaidou, and his abilities will come in handy. Post your thoughts on Law and the strategic element he's adding here.

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        lol, im not gonna say shit because, we don't know shit.

        as you said, theres a lot of holes there, and we'll have to wait what else follows.
        What we DO know is that Law wants to take out KAIDOU in the end. Cancelling out Doflamingo faster doesn't have effect on that, probably.
        Just wait to see what happens, I don't really wanna argue about this yet.

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          Why is this a thread?

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            Weird thread.

            What if the Strawhats hadn't met Law there, and just found out about Ceasar and defeated him?

            1. The SHs would have defeated him, but not captured him. And as Luffy has never killed his opponents, CC would have been rescued by Baby 5 and Buffalo, nothing changes later.

            2. No, since CC would have been rescued.

            3. They wouldn't have even known about the factories, or smiles even. and they probably wouldn't have gone after Kaido currently.

            So, no , it hasn't weakened them , as without Law the SHs wouldn't be going after Kaido, and wouldn't have bothered Dofla either. Infact, they would be captured in Kairoseki handcuffs still.

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              I came because I saw Law in a thread title.
              Disappointgasm followed.

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                And as Luffy has never killed his opponents, CC would have been rescued by Baby 5 and Buffalo, nothing changes later.

                Well, the marines (and strawhats) wouldn't have left CC to be rescued like that. Especially knowing what he did.

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                  i think the key here is that this whole caesar clown/doflamingo biz is the one and only express ticket toward kicking Kaidou's teeth in

                  i think that will become a lot clearer after doflamingo's out of the picture. kaidou will probably come into the scene, perhaps angry at the Strawhearts, but there's little doubt that there will be some tiny loophole in Kaidou's force that will allow Luffy and Law to fuck his shit up. i don't think it's just going to be that the SAD production is discontinued. i could see this whole Kaidou-Doflamingo-Beast Army operation getting exposed and the marines going after Kaidou's turf. as Kaidou fights off the approaching marines, Luffy and Law could buzz in and take the crown.. or something like that

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                    Well, the marines (and strawhats) wouldn't have left CC to be rescued like that. Especially knowing what he did.

                    Strawhats never take care of the clean-up after the beat-up.

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                      @Psycrow:

                      Law, since the beginning of the alliance, has been making plans… making it more like a chess game in the new world so far.
                      So far it's led to
                      1. A (temporary) capture of Ceasar,
                      2. A (hesitant eventual possible) attack by admirals on Doflamingo since he quit the schichibukai, and
                      3. Next a (rebuildable) destruction of Doflamingo's factories which is now necessary since they're giving Ceasar back.
                      What if the Strawhats hadn't met Law there, and just found out about Ceasar and defeated him?
                      1. Ceasar would have been out of the picture (permanently), taken by the marines with the help of Aokiji after having been defeated by Luffy,
                      2. Kaidou would have (certainly, so it sounds) destroyed Doflamingo, and
                      3. There'd be no need for taking down any factories since Ceasar would be gone.
                      So far, all the strategizing seems to have weakened the results or made them more short-term, not benefitted them.
                      If there isn't another step to make this all turn around, is Law just bad at strategizing (while still looking cool doing it)? Was Oda not as clever with his writing as usual this time? Could Law be working for someone else still?
                      Regardless, it sounds like Law will be with them at least as far as Kaidou, and his abilities will come in handy. Post your thoughts on Law and the strategic element he's adding here.

                      Err Law wants to take down Kaido and in this plan that you have stated, there is absolutely no mention of this. By the looks of things so far, my guess is Law is going to mess things up as much as possible so he can draw Kaido out. Unless you mean if Caesar got caught by the marines, Kaido would go out of his way to destroy Doflamingo either way. However for that to happen, they would need to wait for quite a long time since Doflamingo already has a batch ready to send to Kaido, thus the whole mission of going to Dressrosa to destroy the factory.

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                        @zachri:

                        I came because I saw Law in a thread title.
                        Disappointgasm followed.

                        Disappointgasm? So what, can you get an orgasm from anything?

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                          You think a rookie who has no fucking reputation and is a weak shit in the NW knows anything about strategy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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                            You think a rookie who has no fucking reputation and is a weak shit in the NW knows anything about strategy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                            Law's hardly a rookie, considering he's a member of the Seven Warlords now. Two years ago? Sure, he was a rookie then, but not now. And he does have a reputation, judging from how the Marines of G5 reacted to him.

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                              Law's hardly a rookie, considering he's a member of the Seven Warlords now. Two years ago? Sure, he was a rookie then, but not now. And he does have a reputation, judging from how the Marines of G5 reacted to him.

                              Ignore him. Samurai Flex (formally know as formation y) is either a troll or has absolutely zero reading comprehension. Arguing with him is pretty much pointless

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                                Law's hardly a rookie, considering he's a member of the Seven Warlords now. Two years ago? Sure, he was a rookie then, but not now. And he does have a reputation, judging from how the Marines of G5 reacted to him.

                                Law is the weakest Shichibukai. He would get stomped like a bug by the others. He has to alliance with another pirate crew to get fame that shows how inexperienced he is. His name doesn't strike fear/intimidation to the stronger crews. G5 is nothing impressive.

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                                  Law is the weakest Shichibukai. He would get stomped like a bug by the others. He has to alliance with another pirate crew to get fame that shows how inexperienced he is. His name doesn't strike fear/intimidation to the stronger crews. G5 is nothing impressive.

                                  Didn't you see what he did to Vergo? Law isn't a bitch.

                                  Only a warrior chooses pacifism; others are condemned to it.

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                                    @SAMURAI:

                                    Law is the weakest Shichibukai. He would get stomped like a bug by the others. He has to alliance with another pirate crew to get fame that shows how inexperienced he is. His name doesn't strike fear/intimidation to the stronger crews. G5 is nothing impressive.

                                    So Law is weaker than Buggy? I know arguing with you is pointless because of your blatant inability to listen to other people's points or generally read things properly, but I just wanted to see if you really believe this

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                                      @SAMURAI:

                                      Law is the weakest Shichibukai. He would get stomped like a bug by the others. He has to alliance with another pirate crew to get fame that shows how inexperienced he is. His name doesn't strike fear/intimidation to the stronger crews. G5 is nothing impressive.

                                      Well Law is stronger than Buggy and beated 2 admirals. And being the weakest of the shichibukai would still mean he is a Shichibukai. Meaning he is part of the three powers of One Piece and that he is both a strong and renowned pirate.

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                                        @SAMURAI:

                                        Law is the weakest Shichibukai. He would get stomped like a bug by the others. He has to alliance with another pirate crew to get fame that shows how inexperienced he is. His name doesn't strike fear/intimidation to the stronger crews. G5 is nothing impressive.

                                        Buggy says hello. And I find your way of thinking not only totally incorrect, but utterly inflexible. In fact, we know he already has fame. Brownbeard confirms it thanks to his talk of the "Worst Generation", stating that pretty much every major incident in the past two years has happened at the hands of that group and he names Law as being specifically one of the foremost perpetrators of these incidents. Additionally, he has a former bounty even greater than Luffy's and, although it isn't higher than Ace's, it's certainly one of the highest ones we've seen in the manga. Bounties directly correspond to a combination of strength and threat-level, indicating that the people best prepared to judge his level as a pirate believe him to be one of the greatest potential threats in the world. Moreover, deciding to make an alliance isn't an admittance of weakness. It's proof of forethought. As Law explains to the Straw Hats, fighting one is nearly impossible normally due to the number of strong crews surrounding them. Bolstering his strength by teaming up by one of the few pirates in the world who is his peer and at least on the same general level of skill and strength is a smart move, especially when the crew of that pirate is one of the only crews in the world where every member has an active bounty.

                                        Law's far stronger than you're making him out to be.

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                                          Well, the marines (and strawhats) wouldn't have left CC to be rescued like that. Especially knowing what he did.

                                          The SHs never bother with doing clean-up. CC would have been rescued by Baby 5 and Buffalo as the marines had not even come out of the lab by that point. Even if they had come out of the lab, the only one who could have stopped them was Smoker. Even then, CC can still go to Dressrosa by himself, as then none of them would have the kairoseki handcuffs to capture CC(the Usopp scene).

                                          Another factor to add is without Law, Vergo would not be defeated, and Smoker loses. So, the marines can't stop baby 5 and buffalo, even if Vergo is defeated later by the SHs. Without Law, CC gets away.

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                                            Without Law, the Strawhat crew would've been annihilated by the Yeti Cool Brothers.

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                                              in my opinion law would wipe out even the straw hats maybe.i like him more and more,and like luffy less and less with every chapter.law is what a real pirate should be imo.strategic,cautious and never just relays on luck,wich luffy does(which i dont like)i know it's a manga,but oda should show a more serious side of the SH pirates.in real life,they probably wouldn't even get to water seven

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                                                Buggy says hello. And I find your way of thinking not only totally incorrect, but utterly inflexible. In fact, we know he already has fame. Brownbeard confirms it thanks to his talk of the "Worst Generation", stating that pretty much every major incident in the past two years has happened at the hands of that group and he names Law as being specifically one of the foremost perpetrators of these incidents. Additionally, he has a former bounty even greater than Luffy's and, although it isn't higher than Ace's, it's certainly one of the highest ones we've seen in the manga. Bounties directly correspond to a combination of strength and threat-level, indicating that the people best prepared to judge his level as a pirate believe him to be one of the greatest potential threats in the world. Moreover, deciding to make an alliance isn't an admittance of weakness. It's proof of forethought. As Law explains to the Straw Hats, fighting one is nearly impossible normally due to the number of strong crews surrounding them. Bolstering his strength by teaming up by one of the few pirates in the world who is his peer and at least on the same general level of skill and strength is a smart move, especially when the crew of that pirate is one of the only crews in the world where every member has an active bounty. Law's far stronger than you're making him out to be.

                                                That fame/reputation is nothing compared to a Yonkou and he was struggling against a Vice Admiral. None of the other Shichibukai would be struggling against a mere VA opponent. If he wasn't weak like you suggested his reputation alone would get him more stronger crew members.

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                                                  in my opinion law would wipe out even the straw hats maybe.i like him more and more,and like luffy less and less with every chapter.law is what a real pirate should be imo.strategic,cautious and never just relays on luck,wich luffy does(which i dont like)i know it's a manga,but oda should show a more serious side of the SH pirates.in real life,they probably wouldn't even get to water seven

                                                  I don't think he'd necessarily be capable of taking out the Strawhats, especially if he's taking them on en masse, as he usually does. Zoro's a proficient enough swordsmen to defend against his slashes and Luffy's speed and strength are probably on par with Vergo's, especially in Gear Second. And with regards to the Strawhats, we do get to see a more serious side to them fairly often. Part of the broad appeal of them as main characters, though, is the fact that they're so easy-going and likable. It's a major strength for the protagonist of this manga. Someone like Law, for instance, wouldn't really be able to appeal to a lot of people because he's so serious all the time and it doesn't really fit with the tone of the manga.

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                                                  That fame/reputation is nothing compared to a Yonkou and he was struggling against a Vice Admiral. None of the other Shichibukai would be struggling against a mere VA opponent. If he wasn't weak like you suggested his reputation alone would get him more stronger crew members.

                                                  There is no easy way to measure fame, though. We know that the Yonkou are world famous pirates, but so are the Seven Warlords and the Eleven Supernova. In fact, within the world of One Piece, there are only three "groups" of pirates that are ever referred to - the Four Emperors, Seven Warlords, and Eleven Supernova, respectively - and Law is the only pirate that belongs to two of them. With regards to Vergo, the idea that a Vice Admiral can be referred to with a qualifier of "mere" is utterly laughable. When was the last time we ever had a chance to fully assess the abilities of any Vice Admiral? Pretty much never. We don't know what most Vice Admirals are capable of, in the end. And I think you're misrepresenting Law's fight with Vergo, anyway. Law struggled with Vergo because he needed to get his heart back, not because Vergo was that much stronger than him. Vergo essentially took advantage of the few seconds it took Law to recapture his heart to blitzkrieg him. However, once Smoker gets Law's heart back, he dispatches with Vergo instantly while his entire body is coated with Busoshoku Haki. Law was always capable of besting Vergo, but he couldn't risk damaging his heart, so he couldn't win until he got it back.

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                                                    @SAMURAI:

                                                    That fame/reputation is nothing compared to a Yonkou and he was struggling against a Vice Admiral. None of the other Shichibukai would be struggling against a mere VA opponent. If he wasn't weak like you suggested his reputation alone would get him more stronger crew members.

                                                    First of all, not every Yonko or Shichibukai has a lot of crewmates. See Shanks, Blackbeard, Mihawk, Kuma, Jinbe.

                                                    Second, Law has already defeated TWO vice-admirals, and he only had trouble against one of them because his heart was stolen. I'm confident that he's stronger than Crocodile and Moria were two years ago, he's supposed to be Luffy's equal after all.

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                                                      I don't think he'd necessarily be capable of taking out the Strawhats, especially if he's taking them on en masse, as he usually does. Zoro's a proficient enough swordsmen to defend against his slashes and Luffy's speed and strength are probably on par with Vergo's, especially in Gear Second. And with regards to the Strawhats, we do get to see a more serious side to them fairly often. Part of the broad appeal of them as main characters, though, is the fact that they're so easy-going and likable. It's a major strength for the protagonist of this manga. Someone like Law, for instance, wouldn't really be able to appeal to a lot of people because he's so serious all the time and it doesn't really fit with the tone of the manga.

                                                      Pretty sure 1vs1 is the best thing you can do when fighting against Law. Group is just the easiest thing for Law.

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                                                      That fame/reputation is nothing compared to a Yonkou and he was struggling against a Vice Admiral. None of the other Shichibukai would be struggling against a mere VA opponent. If he wasn't weak like you suggested his reputation alone would get him more stronger crew members.

                                                      We don't how much fame he has or how much fame yonkous have. He din't struggle against Smoker and Vergo was squeezing his heart all along. Shichibukai don't even seems to have crew normally so taking strong crewmates would probably attract attention. In fact we don't know if he did.

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                                                        Pretty sure 1vs1 is the best thing you can do when fighting against Law. Group is just the easiest thing for Law.

                                                        I don't think that's necessarily the case. High-level characters always have an easy time fighting against mobs. All of the Straw Hats are capable of taking large number of opponents at once. Sure, Law's abilities give him a fairly large attack range, but I don't think it's inherently disadvantageous for two or three people to come at him at once, as long as they have a requisite level of skill.

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                                                          Sure, Law's abilities give him a fairly large attack range, but I don't think it's inherently disadvantageous for two or three people to come at him at once, as long as they have a requisite level of skill.

                                                          Right, especially if an opponent can match his intelligence. Send out Luffy and Franky (two impusive non-thinker fighters), and there might be a problem. Throw Robin or Usopp in the mix, and the situation might change drastically.

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                                                            I don't think that's necessarily the case. High-level characters always have an easy time fighting against mobs. All of the Straw Hats are capable of taking large number of opponents at once. Sure, Law's abilities give him a fairly large attack range, but I don't think it's inherently disadvantageous for two or three people to come at him at once, as long as they have a requisite level of skill.

                                                            His slicing effect get all over the room. And multiple people means multiple heart changing meaning confusion that become a pain when facing Law. And after taking care one fighter he can switch it with another strong one. Seriously taking Law in Group is just a bad idea as he give him a whole lot more of option.

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                                                              Right, especially if an opponent can match his intelligence. Send out Luffy and Franky (two impusive non-thinker fighters), and there might be a problem. Throw Robin or Usopp in the mix, and the situation might change drastically.

                                                              Exactly. Robin would be an especially dangerous opponent for Law anyway. His ability to slice off body parts don't mean much to someone who can sprout extra ones.

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                                                              His slicing effect get all over the room. And multiple people means multiple heart changing meaning confusion that become a pain when facing Law. And after taking care one fighter he can switch it with another strong one. Seriously taking Law in Group is just a bad idea as he give him a whole lot more of option.

                                                              Yeah, but again, if two characters are individually capable of defending against Law's attack, then it doesn't matter how large the range is necessarily. One person, two people, or more, nothing about what Law does makes fighting him in a group any more dangerous than fighting him one on one.

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                                                                Yeah, but again, if two characters are individually capable of defending against Law's attack, then it doesn't matter how large the range is necessarily. One person, two people, or more, nothing about what Law does makes fighting him in a group any more dangerous than fighting him one on one.

                                                                1-By fighting in group it allows him to put you in a body which you aren't used to. That alone create great confusion that he can take advantage of.
                                                                2-He can switch you to an unconscious body wich mean taking two opponents at once.

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                                                                  There is no easy way to measure fame, though. We know that the Yonkou are world famous pirates, but so are the Seven Warlords and the Eleven Supernova. In fact, within the world of One Piece, there are only three "groups" of pirates that are ever referred to - the Four Emperors, Seven Warlords, and Eleven Supernova, respectively - and Law is the only pirate that belongs to two of them. With regards to Vergo, the idea that a Vice Admiral can be referred to with a qualifier of "mere" is utterly laughable. When was the last time we ever had a chance to fully assess the abilities of any Vice Admiral? Pretty much never. We don't know what most Vice Admirals are capable of, in the end. And I think you're misrepresenting Law's fight with Vergo, anyway. Law struggled with Vergo because he needed to get his heart back, not because Vergo was that much stronger than him. Vergo essentially took advantage of the few seconds it took Law to recapture his heart to blitzkrieg him. However, once Smoker gets Law's heart back, he dispatches with Vergo instantly while his entire body is coated with Busoshoku Haki. Law was always capable of besting Vergo, but he couldn't risk damaging his heart, so he couldn't win until he got it back.

                                                                  5 Supernovas are planning to take down a Yonkou and 2 of them currently are dealing with a Shichibukai currently.

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                                                                    1-By fighting in group it allows him to put you in a body which you aren't used to. That alone create great confusion that he can take advantage of.
                                                                    2-He can switch you to an unconscious body wich mean taking two opponents at once.

                                                                    Only if his attack hits you. If you have the skill to evade and parry his other attacks, then the heart switch is also fairly easy to avoid. The Straw Hats are hit by it initially because they were running away, while Tashigi and Smoker are hit by it after Smoker's knocked out and when it's Tashigi trying to attack Law. Tashigi doesn't have the ability to evade or stop his attack; Smoker does and Law never attempts to use it during their fight with anyone else that's within the perimeter of the room because it's not easy to pull off. Two or three skilled opponents would make it difficult, if not impossible, for Law to pull that off mid combat.

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                                                                    5 Supernovas are planning to take down a Yonkou and 2 of them currently are dealing with a Shichibukai currently.

                                                                    …and? You're not really making much of a point here.

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                                                                      Only if his attack hits you. If you have the skill to evade and parry his other attacks, then the heart switch is also fairly easy to avoid. The Straw Hats are hit by it initially because they were running away, while Tashigi and Smoker are hit by it after Smoker's knocked out and when it's Tashigi trying to attack Law. Tashigi doesn't have the ability to evade or stop his attack; Smoker does and Law never attempts to use it during their fight with anyone else that's within the perimeter of the room because it's not easy to pull off. Two or three skilled opponents would make it difficult, if not impossible, for Law to pull that off mid combat.

                                                                      I didn't see nothing that indicate that the heart switch can be avoid in the room.

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                                                                        ...and? You're not really making much of a point here.

                                                                        Supernovas have no fame neither strength. No Shihibukai crew can take on a Yonkou lvl crew except Buggy since he is considered a living legend. Somebody obviously forget who has more priority in the manga.

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                                                                          Supernovas have no fame neither strength. No Shihibukai crew can take on a Yonkou lvl crew

                                                                          Uh…...that's a good one?

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                                                                            Supernovas have no fame neither strength. No Shihibukai crew can take on a Yonkou lvl crew except Buggy since he is considered a living legend. Somebody obviously forget who has more priority in the manga.

                                                                            Yawn.

                                                                            !
                                                                            ! In order for the world to deem them anything, they have to be pretty famous, right?
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                                                                            ! Oh, check it out! People are talking about the Worst Generation. Huh. Strange, that, if they aren't infamous.
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                                                                            ! Check that out. Oda boxes clearly indicating that this whole alliance thing is going to have some major effects on the world as a whole.

                                                                            I haven't forgotten anything. The Yonkou are currently the top dogs… but that doesn't mean they'll stay that way. In fact, we know that they can't. As an institution, both the Shichibukai and the Yonkou help to create stability for the World Government. Thanks to the perpetual stalemate of the Yonkou, nobody's found One Piece in the twenty-some years since Roger died. They prevent both themselves and others from advancing which essentially makes them stagnant. As Law himself asserts, nobody standing at the top of the world has done a damn thing since Whitebeard died because they're all waiting and preparing for the new age that's being ushered in by pirates like Law and Luffy. In world, nobody thinks that this generation is weak.

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                                                                              What does that prove? Absolutely nothing.

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                                                                                It proves a lot more than mindlessly clinging to the notion that the Yonkou are the strongest pirates in the world and couldn't possibly be beaten by someone of Law's caliber.

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                                                                                  When the Supernovas are Yonkou lvl without having to alliance with each other please feel free to chime in about their reputation. They are still rookies with no experience.

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                                                                                    They already have a reputation, so there's nothing for me to prove. The idea that they're still rookie is pretty laughable, considering that they've all been around for a few years and have been running wild in the new world. Would the World Government really make a rookie pirate one of the Shichibukai when it's specifically said that they need pirates of fame and power for the position? Of course not.

                                                                                    I get that the Yonkou are the strongest pirates in the world - everyone on the forums gets that - but that doesn't inherently devalue anyone who isn't one of them.

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                                                                                      If they have reputation like you keep saying they wouldn't have to alliance with each other and other pirate crews would join them. Big moms crew members have higher bounties ties than the Supernovas so this isn't going anywhere. Law was the only Supermova who showed up in Marineford. He didn't really do much anyways but they still are ants compared to Yonkou/ other Shihibukai crews.

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                                                                                        The strategic part is more of new form of comedy here since Strawhats move on their own pace.

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                                                                                        …in real life,they probably wouldn't even get to water seven

                                                                                        Heh, In real life Luffy would have drowned with the barrel.

                                                                                        "In mad world, only the mad are sane."

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                                                                                          You have absolutely no proof of that, though. We don't actually know the state of any of the crews but Luffy's, who is always going to keep a small one. It's entirely possible that other crews have already joined up with the Supernova and, actually, we see that there are plenty of pirates willing to do this when the Fake Strawhats go on their recruiting drive. Fake Luffy managed to recruit over one hundred pirates, spread across at least three crews, having a total of ten bounty heads over 70 million berries a piece. Now, we know that Caribou was faking it, but that's still two crews that were eager and another that was turned down. So it's entirely possible that the other Supernova's crews have acquired some themselves. Crafting an alliance is a smart idea to accomplish objectives is a smart idea any way you slice it. The Supernova are hardly ants - Luffy defeated two of the Shichibukai on his own, no matter what you say, and that was when he was a rookie. The World Government feared his ability to take them down so much that they dispatched Kuma to team up with Moria to take him down, so I think you're pretty blatantly wrong at this point. Stop downplaying the Worst Generation because you want to hype up the Yonkou and Doflamingo and Mihawk, dude.

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                                                                                            When the Supernovas are Yonkou lvl without having to alliance with each other please feel free to chime in about their reputation. They are still rookies with no experience.

                                                                                            Power and reputation are 2 different things. Law being a shichibukai means he has both reputation and strength. As for being Rookies they aren't. A rookie is a beginner. 2 years ago Law was a rookie(and was already part of a shichibukai crew) after two years he has experience and therefore isn't a rookie.

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                                                                                              You have absolutely no proof of that, though. We don't actually know the state of any of the crews but Luffy's, who is always going to keep a small one. It's entirely possible that other crews have already joined up with the Supernova and, actually, we see that there are plenty of pirates willing to do this when the Fake Strawhats go on their recruiting drive. Fake Luffy managed to recruit over one hundred pirates, spread across at least three crews, having a total of ten bounty heads over 70 million berries a piece. Now, we know that Caribou was faking it, but that's still two crews that were eager and another that was turned down. So it's entirely possible that the other Supernova's crews have acquired some themselves. Crafting an alliance is a smart idea to accomplish objectives is a smart idea any way you slice it. The Supernova are hardly ants - Luffy defeated two of the Shichibukai on his own, no matter what you say, and that was when he was a rookie. The World Government feared his ability to take them down so much that they dispatched Kuma to team up with Moria to take him down, so I think you're pretty blatantly wrong at this point. Stop downplaying the Worst Generation because you want to hype up the Yonkou and Doflamingo and Mihawk, dude.

                                                                                              Please re-read the chapters where Law&Luffy are alliancing with each other to take down a Yonkou and Kid,Hawkins, Apoo doing the same since you forget. That fake strawhat arguement is pathetic because those pirates are not strong. Luffy defeated two Shichibukai who were weaker than their previous selves in the NW and one of them was straight up PIS/bullshit. Show me a Shichibukai crew that can take on a Yonkou lvl crew by themselves not no alliances that aren't a part of their crew.

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                                                                                                Please re-read the chapters where Law&Luffy are alliancing with each other to take down a Yonkou and Kid,Hawkins, Apoo doing the same since you forget. That fake strawhat arguement is pathetic because those pirates are not strong. Luffy defeated two Shichibukai who were weaker than their previous selves in the NW and one of them was straight up PIS/bullshit. Show me a Shichibukai crew that can take on a Yonkou lvl crew by themselves not no alliances that aren't a part of their crew.

                                                                                                Yeah, because it's not like the yonkou also have allies or anything. Seriously, the Yonkou have far bigger alliances than the supernova have. I mean, look at Marineford where it wasn't just Whitebeard fighting the marines, but also DOZENS of allied pirate crews from the New World. The fact that they're taking on an alliance of dozens of crews with an alliance of two or three crews should be enough of an indication that these guys aren't small time. THey make allies because the yonkou's already have tons of those and you need some measures to counteract that

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                                                                                                  Disappointgasm? So what, can you get an orgasm from anything?

                                                                                                  I sometimes get eyegasms over epically drawn things.

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                                                                                                    I sometimes get eyegasms over epically drawn things.

                                                                                                    Have you by any chance read One Punch-man? Because that has some of the most amazing art I've seen in any manga ever

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                                                                                                      Have you by any chance read One Punch-man? Because that has some of the most amazing art I've seen in any manga ever

                                                                                                      Not really, never had time to really.
                                                                                                      Sometimes even the way hair is drawn sometimes causes eyegasms, seriously.

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                                                                                                        . He didn't really do much anyways but they still are ants compared to Yonkou/ other Shihibukai crews.

                                                                                                        You know two years ago Luffy bat by himself the two best member of the kujas pirates. So I really don't think that Law or Luffy have a worst crew than most shichibukais.

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