One Piece 704: Lucy and the Statue of Kyros

King Cannon

Now that I think about it again, didn't Law saw he's never been to Dressrosa? I don't see any reason for him to lie to the SHs about such a thing and it'd be strange for him never to have visited the place if that was the "base of operations"

I'm assuming he worked for Dofla in between that 10 and 20 year period; maybe there was some sort of period of unrest on the island and Dofu restored it 10 years ago @__@? Idk

Law was like Bellamy in that he was a rookie pirate who worked under Doflamingo's flag, but that doesn't mean they had to go to Dressrosa in order to comunicate with Doflamingo. After all, Dofla has a whole network of underground communication at his disposal and he seems to have no problem at travelling seeing he can apparently walk through the sky.

Dofla probably met Law at North Blue and offered him a chance to work under his flag. Bellamy was also from North Blue. In fact, I think Oda did mention once that Smilies Jolly Rogers are popular in North Blue, implying Doflamingo has a lot of influence over there.

Tofu

@Monkey:

The Ottoman's never ruled the Mediterranean aside from the eastern parts past Greece and the little scattered cities in North Africa. It was always a contested area in their time. Only the Roman Empire ever ruled the entire thing in history.

I didn't mean rule as in rule the coast cities, I meant it more like dominated the seas with an overwhelming navy, not the lands. Because the character is a pirate, it makes sense that he is inspired by a sultan that commanded a large fleet, instead of a ruler strong in land, but weak in sea.

My bad if I made it confusing, since english is not my first language.

EDIT: I think it's important that he is called Suleiman and not Solomon, which would be the same name but in hebrew. That way, it's more likely that he is indeed based on a sultan.

EDIT 2: Yes, I know that the Ottoman Empire was huge in land, before anyone try and mention it. But it was a dominance strengthened by naval power.

TheGreatestSwordsman

@King:

I'm just saying they're mentioned in the same light in the same sentence, but you're making it sound like Balto Romeo is somehow above Cavendish based on the fact that the latter is too similar to Duval (because everybody that is like Duval should be weak because they're so vain :getlost:). You're as guilty as me at making assumptions.

No I'm not. He could be a nobody. I'm just saying that Oda could take the angle of having someone complain about the newer generations taking his fame as a dumb reason, and it would poetic if one of them stomped and kicked his ass. Currently, the only two are Luffy who is a Supernova or a younger rookie, which would be more humiliating. If Oda does go that route, I could see one of the two doing it. Balto could be fodder, but I am curious to see if Oda goes with the poetic justice and if so, there's only 2 players shown so far that could make that happen.

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@DivineVodka:

Using Luffy as a scale is pretty bad considering his eyes are on a Yonkou which means he's confident enough and after his "I am weak moment" I doubt he would judge his strength wrong again… However, the first time they fight Kaidou should be a butt whoop...

Anyways back to topic, using Luffy as a scale for this Arena is not good for discussion seeing he will probably COC them all in his block which would freak them all OUT... I mean come on... Burgess was epic in "seconds"?!?! Luffy will probably foddersize his group anyways... The guy won 31 tourneys he was no pushover but of course a pushover for Luffy..

I totally forgot he could use King haki and probably KO nearly the entire C group in seconds. :S

King Cannon

@Jewelery:

What about Shanks though? It's shown his crew is pretty small, unless of course he doesn't really have territory, but then again, he is a Yonko

His crew isn't that small, though. His crew had 20 or so people during Luffy's flashback 12 years ago. Naturally, it probably expanded.

@TheGreatestSwordsman:

No I'm not. He could be a nobody. I'm just saying that Oda could take the angle of having someone complain about the newer generations taking his fame as a dumb reason, and it would poetic if one of them stomped and kicked his ass. Currently, the only two are Luffy who is a Supernova or a younger rookie, which would be more humiliating. If Oda does go that route, I could see one of the two doing it. Balto could be fodder, but I am curious to see if Oda goes with the poetic justice and if so, there's only 2 players shown so far that could make that happen.

But Cavendish is not complaining about the newer generations. He's complaining specifically about the Worst Generation from 2 years ago. There would be no point in somebody not from that generation to defeat him.

I will admit that it's possible he gets to fight Luffy for Block C, but he would have to find out that Lucy is Luffy in order to work.

ibrahim2712

Where in the world is the glare between Yasopp and Vista? It's not in chapter 580…

Galaxy 9000

@ibrahim2712:

Where in the world is the glare between Yasopp and Vista? It's not in chapter 580…

ibrahim2712

Ohhhh lol i did not see Vista there, thanks thats so beast!

undeniable01

@King:

His crew isn't that small, though. His crew had 20 or so people during Luffy's flashback 12 years ago. Naturally, it probably expanded.

But Cavendish is not complaining about the newer generations. He's complaining specifically about the Worst Generation from 2 years ago. There would be no point in somebody not from that generation to defeat him.

I will admit that it's possible he gets to fight Luffy for Block C, but he would have to find out that Lucy is Luffy in order to work.

if he's in block C, then he's got the worst luck.

Soul_Bassist23

LOL how do people catch stuff like that?

Unrequited

At least it's a visible part of the chapter. I'm still surprised by the guy who pointed out that Law's plan separated the crew by bloodtypes.

undeniable01

@Unrequited:

At least it's a visible part of the chapter. I'm still surprised by the guy who pointed out that Law's plan separated the crew by bloodtypes.

how did he know all of their blood types?

dlo62282

@Aohige_AP:

There are other cases of the same real-life pirate name being basis of multiple characters in One Piece.
The most obvious one is Whitebeard and Blackbeard, both referencing Edward "Blackbeard" Teach. Oh, and Thatch, making it three characters.

And ironically Blackbeard killed them both and took their devil fruit. lol

Aohige_AP

@Blueno:

Anyone buying the theory that Kyros was in Roger's crew? GOLD Roger, SILVERS Rayleigh, BRONZE Kyros, sCOPPER Gaban. I hadn't even realized the Gold, Silver, Copper thing until i saw someone mention it lol i feel dumb.

It's come up as a theory in several places, and it would make sense that Roger's left-hand man would be so strong.
There's really no basis for supporting that, but neither is there anything to contradict it. So I'd sit it out until more is known.

kirei_lanford

The most confusing thing for me is about kyros who had won 3000 battles but no one in dressrosa had ever seen him doing that with his own eye.
leaving a question of whether that man was only a legend or a real life or once living strong bastard.
It makes sense though if he's a person from 900 years ago.. But 20 years???

Dan Dangerously

@Jewelery:

What about Shanks though? It's shown his crew is pretty small, unless of course he doesn't really have territory, but then again, he is a Yonko

If by shown to be you mean proven to be, no it hasn't. Shanks likely has massive WB pirates/MHQ-like force of his own (same goes for all yonkou) We already know he has people like Rockstar running around as low rankers for him, and with a bounty like he had plus the fact that he caught Shanks' eye you can be pretty certain he's relatively powerful.

Remember, the yonkou are enemies to each other as well, so if the original balance was to make any sense each of the yonkou would have to be roughly as powerful as each other. Meaning they're each a force that is realtivly close to being as powerful as the Marines and the original shichibukai combined.

ForumPoster21

I'll buy the Bronze theory. Rebecca said he only suffered ONE wound in THREE THOUSAND battles. Would not be surprised if that 1 hit came from Roger, and that made him join his crew!

OH Yeah! I can't also wait for Luffy's Bronze Statue!!!!! FINALLY!!!

RomanceDawn

@ForumPoster21:

I'll buy the Bronze theory. Rebecca said he only suffered ONE wound in THREE THOUSAND battles. Would not be surprised if that 1 hit came from Roger, and that made him join his crew!

OH Yeah! I can't also wait for Luffy's Bronze Statue!!!!! FINALLY!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy came from Rogers's crew. But all this gladiator stuff came 4 years after Roger's death.

Gizmo

Might get burned for playing devil's advocate, but this could be a case of rounding the year instead of it being exactly 20 years ago. It could be argued that it's odd to know the exact year Kyros retired when his existence in the Colliseum is a mystery. (Doubting this is the case, but I wouldn't call foul if it turned out to be true)

Something else that came to mind, but someone can prove me wrong if I'm wrong, but didn't Gan Fall also say 20 years ago when talking about Roger visiting, or did he use over 20 years ago?

Aohige_AP

@Gizmo:

Might get burned for playing devil's advocate, but this could be a case of rounding the year instead of it being exactly 20 years ago.

Except, Japanese already has a rule for that.
by putting "yaku" before the years, or "hodo" at the end of the years, it means "around 20 years ago".
Neither was the case here. (there are 3~4 other words that can also be added instead to mean approximate or around, but none of them are present)

You can round or cut month in the years of course.
But if it was more than 21 years ago or less than 19 years ago, either the plate is wrong, Rebecca is wrong, the plate is misread, or Oda made a minor mistake.

Commander Chopper

@Jewelery:

What about Shanks though? It's shown his crew is pretty small, unless of course he doesn't really have territory, but then again, he is a Yonko

His crew isn't small remember when luffy was issued his first bounty and mihawk came visiting him he had at least 30 to 40 pirates under his command.He might also have allied pirate crews like WB and DD.

Roronoa Dodo

@Aohige_AP:

But if it was more than 21 years ago or less than 19 years ago, either the plate is wrong, Rebecca is wrong, the plate is misread, or Oda made a minor mistake.

So wait, the plate is changed every year to reflecting the passing of time? How can a plate be a frame of reference if it only mentions, "So and so guy fought bravely 20 years ago". I assumed a specific date was mentioned since you guys seemed to stress the word 'exactly' but that doesn't seem to be the case either, right? Or am I missing something, like the idiot that I am, lol?

Aohige_AP

@Roronoa:

So wait, the plate is changed every year to reflecting the passing of time? How can a plate be a frame of reference if it only mentions, "So and so guy fought bravely 20 years ago". I assumed a specific date was mentioned since you guys seemed to stress the word 'exactly' but that doesn't seem to be the case either, right? Or am I missing something, like the idiot that I am, lol?

Well, we are to assume the 20 years thing comes from Becky. What's on the statue, I would assume, are dates. lol

Kurogami

@Roronoa:

So wait, the plate is changed every year to reflecting the passing of time? How can a plate be a frame of reference if it only mentions, "So and so guy fought bravely 20 years ago". I assumed a specific date was mentioned since you guys seemed to stress the word 'exactly' but that doesn't seem to be the case either, right? Or am I missing something, like the idiot that I am, lol?

We dont see whats written on plate, Rebecca says that he retired 20 years ago.

billg7

maybe kyros wasn't a single person that why they say it wasnt sure he existed what if he was based on multiple persons for example like rl legents of merlin or since no-one met him he could be someone who wasnt allowed in the colloseum like a policeman or marine?

Kurogami

@keizerking:

I find buggy's fruit much more useful than that which says a lot about it.

All it does is give him the ability to put more power on his attacks but it's totally useless against fast or strong opponents.

Its more about the user than it is about the fruit, when it comes to how useful a fruit truly is.
If we go by a simple logic like that gomu gomu fruit would've turned out just as useless if not more.
It is kind of similar to gomu gomu in the way that it can be used in very creative ways to boost the user's attack and defense.When luffy one shotted Bellamy, it was Bellamy's incapability, it wasnt because the fruit was useless.Fruit is the same as it is 2 years ago, but if the user changed (which he most probably did) then he can be much more powerful with the same fruit.Still he will in no way be a match to Luffy, maybe he'll even get one-shotted again, but i'm sure he is stronger now.
Also a spring can absorb a force and can bounce it back, so it might be pretty useful against strong attacks.We've already seen how it can boost the user's speed.
That fruit can be useful in many ways, only limit is Oda's imagination and i dont think he lacks imagination.

Devil G.

What's this thing about Vista and Yasopp? I don't find the original post. Someone explain please

Aohige_AP

@Devil:

What's this thing about Vista and Yasopp? I don't find the original post. Someone explain please

They looked at each other, and we got people thinking they're gonna have babies.

BUTTERS

What a pity. No appearance of Franky in this chapter. :(

Please Oda, let him have some moment with Jesus in the next one.

Jackermeister

@Aohige_AP:

They looked at each other, and we got people thinking they're gonna have babies.

And it was apparently stated in a databook that "something happened between them in the past".

SanjiFan

@Devil:

What's this thing about Vista and Yasopp? I don't find the original post. Someone explain please

Katzztar wrote an entry about it, which you can read here. Just scroll down to post 10.
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38189&p=2809354#post2809354

MohMoo

@Aohige_AP:

They looked at each other, and we got people thinking they're gonna have babies.

:ninja:

Enzeru

@Aohige_AP:

They looked at each other, and we got people thinking they're gonna have babies.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Their babies would've dreadlocks and mustaches.

DarkHamster

It's so weird that Burgess is captain of corp #1, since you know that would mean he's the second stronger (guessing here). Zoro was supposed to be fighting Shiryu.

Devil G.

@Aohige_AP:

They looked at each other, and we got people thinking they're gonna have babies.

Those would be very handsome babies, no doubt about it

@SanjiFan:

Katzztar wrote an entry about it, which you can read here. Just scroll down to post 10.
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38189&p=2809354#post2809354

Ok thanks.

sabinis

@DarkHamster:

It's so weird that Burgess is captain of corp #1, since you know that would mean he's the second stronger (guessing here). Zoro was supposed to be fighting Shiryu.

Well its kind of suprising but I do think that number isnt equall to strength when it comes to Blackbeard ships- kind of like Whitebeards division. It was said that Whitebeard commanders were very close in therms of strength but we all know that top 3 was special in this regard.
For me its clear that Shiryu is more dangerous/deadly than Burgess. He joined Blackbeards crew being already a boss of impel down just like Magellan(perhaps slightly less deadly than poison guy thus he lost to him and ended up imprisoned in level 6).
Burgess is a monster but I see him more as Sanjis enemy in Blackbeards crew than anyone else. Shiryu is a safe bet to be Zoros guy to beat(especially if Shiryu will eat Diamond paramecia in future).

MohMoo

@DarkHamster:

It's so weird that Burgess is captain of corp #1, since you know that would mean he's the second stronger (guessing here). Zoro was supposed to be fighting Shiryu.

@sabinis:

Well its kind of suprising but I do think that number isnt equall to strength when it comes to Blackbeard ships- kind of like Whitebeards division. It was said that Whitebeard commanders were very close in therms of strenght but we all know that top 3 was special in this regard.
For me its clear that Shiryu is more dangerous/deadly than Burgess. He joined Blackbeards crew being already a boss of impel down just like Magellan(perhaps slightly less deadly than poison guy thus he lost to him and ended up imprisoned in level 6).
Burgess is a monster but I see him more as Sanjis enemy in Blackbeards crew than anyone else. Shiryu is a safe bet to be Zoros guy to beat(especially if Shiryu will eat Diamond paramecia in future).

Could also be the case that Corp 1 is a weaker (relatively) crew compared to the core corp (consisting of BB, Shiryuu, etc.). So Burgess would be the strongest of that crew (being captain and all) but not necessarily the second in the entire BB crew.

shadow

anybody think the 4 match ups after the group stage against the DD family members will be like how they were introduced ? for example group A winner Burgess vs Senior Pink, group B winner vs Delinger, group C winner(Lucy) vs Lao G, group D winner vs Machvise

Renegadesoul

Hmmm…Anyone here thinking Moria and his crew will pop up somewhere in this arc for revenge on Mingo? Heck, those pixies must be those spider rats before turned invisible by Perverted Absalom.

PhantomKid

If Kyros is real then I guess he spent more than 50 years in the Colosseum. I assume that the 3000 battles is the number of rounds he fought.

If the old format of the monthly tournament is like this:

16 Blocks for survival fight > 16 gladiators will use the 1 v 1 format.

It will be a 5 rounds fight. And if One Piece year has 12 months then it will be exactly 3000 battles he fought and won in 50 years.

adbgonzalez

I don't think Burgess is the strongest Blackbeard's crewmember. Teach himself stated he was way weaker than Ace before the timeskip while, for instance, Lafitte seemed the strongest at the time, IMO. The number may be related to the moment he joined: IF he was the first to join the crew, maybe Teach gave him ship #1. And regarding to the role he will play in the story, IMO it will be similar to Blueno's. He will be defeated by luffy right now and Blackbeard will probably kick him out because he's "weak"
Edit:
I first though of Blueno, but Mr 3 may be a better comparison.
Who do you think is stronger? Diamante or Burgess?

Superspider

I don't think BB has a monster trio yet. The 4 level 6 pirates and 4 originals don't stand out the way shiliew does. So I would guess that burgess is one of the weaker commanders along with the other originals.

NER

@Jackermeister:

Yeah, that's what he told him. So why is Bellamy participating on his recommendation?True. Sarquiss is/was Bellamy's friend. He was begging Dofla to stop.

Speaking of Bellamy: What did Dofla tell him to do to the Straw Hats and why? He says "if I merely kicked them out they would reach your position some day." Was Bellamy actually smart and realized the SHs would one day fight Dofla?

The last part of this post about Bellamy is the best thing about this whole thread for me.
I now wonder about that as well.

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@adbgonzalez:

I don't think Burgess is the strongest Blackbeard's crewmember. Teach himself stated he was way weaker than Ace before the timeskip while, for instance, Lafitte seemed the strongest at the time, IMO. The number may be related to the moment he joined: IF he was the first to join the crew, maybe Teach gave him ship #1. And regarding to the role he will play in the story, IMO it will be similar to Blueno's. He will be defeated by luffy right now and Blackbeard will probably kick him out because he's "weak"

I don't see that happening. :L BB is kinda supposed to parallel Luffy, somehow. him kicking one of his first crewmembers because he lost to a guy that BB respect (he kinda respect him, right?) wouldn't be a good move in my opinion.

sabinis

@Renegadesoul:

Hmmm…Anyone here thinking Moria and his crew will pop up somewhere in this arc for revenge on Mingo? Heck, those pixies must be those spider rats before turned invisible by Perverted Absalom.

Moria is destined to show up close to ending of this arc or 100% in Kaido arc as someone who will help to beat up Kaido and his core crew. Kaido killed all his nakamas, Morias fate was far worse than what Luffy has behind- all his nakamas were killed when he lost to Kaido. No wonder he was broken.

adbgonzalez

@NER:

I don't see that happening. :L BB is kinda supposed to parallel Luffy, somehow. him kicking one of his first crewmembers because he lost to a guy that BB respect (he kinda respect him, right?) wouldn't be a good move in my opinion.

Well, he is the opposite to Luffy, who chooses the crewmates he respects/likes. Blackbeard, on the other hand, only seems to value strenght. He took the level 6 prisoners because they were the strongest, not because he liked them or something like that. Moreover, he asked Ace to join because he was strong, but he didn't do the same with bonney because he considered her weak.

CaptainAppleJack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheung_Po_Tsai

Could the names of Boo and Xai/Sai stem from this fellow?

Cappello di Paglia

I think this Balto Romeo will be some crazy psycho rookie who will enjoy beating and abusing/harrassing Rebecca so much that Luffy will hate this guy and beat the shit out of him if they meet next rounds… I don't see Cavendish against Rebecca or Luffy this round so I think will be Balto Romeo the winner of Group D.

ForumNoob

@King:

I'm talking about when they entered the New World.

Also, Burgess is representing The Blackbeard Pirates, who all entered the New World 2 years ago, after the Marineford War.

then be more specific .
and burgess is still not a top rookie from two years ago

NER

@adbgonzalez:

Well, he is the opposite to Luffy, who chooses the crewmates he respects/likes. Blackbeard, on the other hand, only seems to value strenght. He took the level 6 prisoners because they were the strongest, not because he liked them or something like that. Moreover, he asked Ace to join because he was strong, but he didn't do the same with bonney because he considered her weak.

Owned me there. :P
But its kinda hard for me to see Burgess getting kicked out for any reason, especially losing against Luffy, Luffy isn't weak, and Teach realize that, he actually showed sings that he respect (or at least doens't have anything against) Luffy. Its Luffy who hold a grudge against BB, not the other way around.

King Cannon

@ForumNoob:

then be more specific .
and burgess is still not a top rookie from two years ago

I was specific .

@King:

Oda wouldn't waste 5 pages with this guy and his stupid motivations if he wasn't going to be relevant during this tournament subplot.

Plus, the other guy isn't exactly a rookie either. He's been in the NW for at least a year and is famous enough to be equaled with Cavendish. Why would he need further hyping?

Luffy is the only NW rookie there. In fact, there's a theme with the following 4 people in terms of entering the NW:

Cavendish: Top Rookie from 3 years ago.
Burgess: Top Rookie from 2 years ago (representing Blackbeard).
Balto Romeo: Top Rookie from 1 year ago.
Luffy: Top Rookie from current year.

Blueno

@DarkHamster:

It's so weird that Burgess is captain of corp #1, since you know that would mean he's the second stronger (guessing here). Zoro was supposed to be fighting Shiryu.

I think BB wanted to give that role to Jesus because he is one if the first, if not the first member to join him. I'm 99% sure Shiryu is stronger.