Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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Nono is starting to get in the picture more than Melk the second
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I totally thought Komatsu's inner demon was Tommyrod lol.
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No Zebra transgender image lowered the crazy levels of the chapter.
it was hidden last chapter too
can't ruin his image can we?
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I'm just wondering will these guys left behind like Melk the first or will they will accompany the gang as replacement for Terry and the others. Because they're large number to keep track all of them and with that in mind Zombie will stay at this continent with the monkey king
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Rotting Corpse will birth the next monkey king and it will be the strongest ever.
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Toriko and Gang lost all of their animal companions; Zombie winds up with one of the Eight Kings as his.
This is as it should be.
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I actually agree with Baroness on this one.
The chapter was all over the place.People coming-Zonge jokes-Boobs-Coco´s dish-Guemon exposition-more of people coming-Kaka saying some shit-Food spirits (That was kind of rushed for something somewhat
interesting)Still, it had some strong points: Crabbus, TommyRod is inside Komatsu and the Zonge joke was gold.
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We should start a petition to make Madhouse animates Toriko.
" Those without power , flee while you still CAN "
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We should start a petition to make Madhouse animates Toriko.
Which company did that oav that came out a while back? The animation in that was pretty amazing too.
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I don't think I'll ever get used to seeing Granny dissector-of-still-living-things Chiyo as an ally
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Which company did that oav that came out a while back? The animation in that was pretty amazing too.
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ufotable did the ova.
Aand i'm a little tired of the madhouse wank tbh. Their OST are more miss than hits. They don't have the best timeslots, and even though their shows are hugely popular, their dvd/bd and merchandise don't even sell that well. Is there even a Meruem or Royal guards figurines? Only 1 HxH game was produced from the madhouse anime and it was a flop.If it wasn't for the complete flop of the movie and Dragon Ball Kai's return, the Toei anime would still be running strong. I'm glad it ended, but i don't think the franchise as a whole would benefit that much from a madhouse adaptation. Not this early at least.
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@Daz:
I don't think I'll ever get used to seeing Granny dissector-of-still-living-things Chiyo as an ally
This.
I don´t even remember her turning good, even though I´m sure it was on the Cooking Fest.Her scenes in the Bubble arc were hardcore
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This.
I don´t even remember her turning good, even though I´m sure it was on the Cooking Fest.Her scenes in the Bubble arc were hardcore
If it helps you can look at it as Chiyo realizing this is also her best chance now of getting Acacia's hordourve (or however you spell that), which was her original goal
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The more pressing issue is that she's been given a full pardon-in more ways than one- by the protagonists, to the point of Komatsu calling the rape-face making murderer Chiyo san. And Chiyo herself seems to harbor no ill intentions, to the point of having no resemblance to rape-face Chiyo.
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This.
I don´t even remember her turning good, even though I´m sure it was on the Cooking Fest.Her scenes in the Bubble arc were hardcore
She got back-stabbed by Zaus and was good after waking up. Put it on the "As I was dying I realized how wrong I was" cliche. I'm sure it's a real thing.
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@Daz:
The more pressing issue is that she's been given a full pardon-in more ways than one- by the protagonists, to the point of Komatsu calling the rape-face making murderer Chiyo san. And Chiyo herself seems to harbor no ill intentions, to the point of having no resemblance to rape-face Chiyo.
Its the classic "reedemed villain" shonen trope, just hypercharged into ridiculousnessIt's been a couple years in universe since that cooking festival. Doesn't explain Komatsu (who was gone much of that time) but it's enough for others to get used to her being around
Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Yeah that's the one.
ufotable did the ova.
Aand i'm a little tired of the madhouse wank tbh. Their OST are more miss than hits. They don't have the best timeslots, and even though their shows are hugely popular, their dvd/bd and merchandise don't even sell that well. Is there even a Meruem or Royal guards figurines? Only 1 HxH game was produced from the madhouse anime and it was a flop.If it wasn't for the complete flop of the movie and Dragon Ball Kai's return, the Toei anime would still be running strong. I'm glad it ended, but i don't think the franchise as a whole would benefit that much from a madhouse adaptation. Not this early at least.
I haven't experienced a Madhouse production where I didn't like some of the ost. But I don't think that outside of most anime I watch in general Jojo, Cowboy Bebop, FMA, Kill la Kill and Samurai Champloo are the ones I really only paid much attention to.
Merchandise is left up to the animation company?
I thought Toei had problems long before the DBZ Kai movie. They at least seemed to be the least consistent in their production value than others. It still throws me off when it's very obvious when animators are clearly on different levels of skill within the same episode.
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Well, Madhouse did fuck up the Neuro adaption (and I will never ever let that go), so there's that.
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@Purple:
Well, Madhouse did fuck up the Neuro adaption (and I will never ever let that go), so there's that.
They did? What's Neuro? And How?
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They did? What's Neuro? And How?
I can answer the second question: Matsui's previous work before Assassination Classroom.
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Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro, the first work by Yusei Matsui (author of assassination classroom), where Madhouse fucked up by
-adding filler cases
-rearranging order of cases
-adding one of the minor supporting characters to a LOT more of the scenes without much benefit
-poor animation
-some punishments that Neuro doles out are nerfed a ton.
-awful, awful OST
-changed the origin of one of the recurring antagonists, and consequently, the ending of the series, as well as affecting the storyline of one of the other characters (and ergo neutering his character. a lot)And this was even after having Takehito Koyasu voice the lead, too! Ugh so much wasted potential
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Ah that's too bad. I gave up on Assassination Classroom early on. And had never heard of Neuro. But I know that feeling. I'm still bitter about Eyeshield 21 lol.
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Ah that's too bad. I gave up on Assassination Classroom early on.
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It's pretty much one of the most popular manga in Jump, and the author pretty clearly planned it to have a limited lifespan in Jump, and it's just damn damn good in general, so yeah, it's doing pretty well lol
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For those who don't know anything about Madhouse I would tell watch the most epic anime in the history of the animation Treasure Island and tell what Toei did in that time
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@Purple:
Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro, the first work by Yusei Matsui (author of assassination classroom), where Madhouse fucked up by
-adding filler cases
-rearranging order of cases
-adding one of the minor supporting characters to a LOT more of the scenes without much benefit
-poor animation
-some punishments that Neuro doles out are nerfed a ton.
-awful, awful OST
-changed the origin of one of the recurring antagonists, and consequently, the ending of the series, as well as affecting the storyline of one of the other characters (and ergo neutering his character. a lot)And this was even after having Takehito Koyasu voice the lead, too! Ugh so much wasted potential
Speaking of that, I´ve finally read it.
Who´s the minor character they added?
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Speaking of that, I´ve finally read it.
Who´s the minor character they added?
I want to say Fat Yako Fan, but I feel like it´s Akane.Godai gets added to like all of their cases. Like the one when they go to the onsen, where Godai specifically isn't supposed to be there because he's guarding the office which leads to actual character development for him.
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@Purple:
Godai gets added to like all of their cases. Like the one when they go to the onsen, where Godai specifically isn't supposed to be there because he's guarding the office which leads to actual character development for him.
That… doesn´t even make sense.
! He is supposed to be collecting data in fat dude´s shady company for the sake of Satan.
Neuro doesn´t even want him in the cases. It´s not his job.
! Plus, I like Godai, but it feels like his personality can be quite annoying if used too often.
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That… doesn´t even make sense.
! He is supposed to be collecting data in fat dude´s shady company for the sake of Satan.
Neuro doesn´t even want him in the cases. It´s not his job.
! Plus, I like Godai, but it feels like his personality can be quite annoying if used too often.
I felt like Matsui nailed his role perfectly and his "on and off" was very well handled.Consequently, that whole deal of what Godai was supposed to do is conveniently swept under a rug, and he just does odd jobs for Neuro the whole time.
And, well, elaborating more on what I was saying before
! Xi's origin is changed from being an altered clone of Sicks to this bastard child between Yako's father (who wasn't murdered by the detective as revealed in chapter 2/3) and a South American witch in some bizarre ritual, and the final battle is in this pyramid which, of coures, is conveniently located nearby to demonic miasma.
! They get through HAL, but I guess they didn't even bother to use the evil tree in the case immediately after because Evil Aqua is the only weapon used by Neuro. It even is used to carry everyone out of the pyramid to safety.
! Consequently, Ai is completely written out (which is a shame because I really, really liked her), and Sasazuka's entire backstory is wiped as well, and he just happens to be a cop that can shoot good (and do other stuff good, too). -
@Purple:
Consequently, that whole deal of what Godai was supposed to do is conveniently swept under a rug, and he just does odd jobs for Neuro the whole time.
And, well, elaborating more on what I was saying before
! Xi's origin is changed from being an altered clone of Sicks to this bastard child between Yako's father (who wasn't murdered by the detective as revealed in chapter 2/3) and a South American witch in some bizarre ritual, and the final battle is in this pyramid which, of coures, is conveniently located nearby to demonic miasma.
! They get through HAL, but I guess they didn't even bother to use the evil tree in the case immediately after because Evil Aqua is the only weapon used by Neuro. It even is used to carry everyone out of the pyramid to safety.
! Consequently, Ai is completely written out (which is a shame because I really, really liked her), and Sasazuka's entire backstory is wiped as well, and he just happens to be a cop that can shoot good (and do other stuff good, too).That sounds bad… It´s like they removed some of the best things from the manga. Maybe the execution is decent?
Was there any reason for that? Like "The manga is not finished and we only have x episodes left" reason?
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That sounds bad… It´s like they removed some of the best things from the manga. Maybe the execution is decent?
Was there any reason for that? Like "The manga is not finished and we only have x episodes left" reason?
The execution is terrible. The music is pretty soap opera sorta deal.
And they def had enough material for like at least a season or two if they finished HAL. maybe it's because it switches format to battle type story shortly after HAL…? but meh
The best part is Koyasu voicing Neuro, but other than that everything else kinda falls flat if not worse.
So yeah, Madhouse in general is pretty great but they have fucked up from time to time.
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I think we've hit the off-topic quota for the Toriko thread, it's not like it's Bleach or anything
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@Purple:
The execution is terrible. The music is pretty soap opera sorta deal.
And they def had enough material for like at least a season or two if they finished HAL. maybe it's because it switches format to battle type story shortly after HAL…? but meh
The best part is Koyasu voicing Neuro, but other than that everything else kinda falls flat if not worse.
So yeah, Madhouse in general is pretty great but they have fucked up from time to time.
I´ve checked the episode list and summaries and it looks bad… HAL being compressed into 4 episodes scared me.
I might check the Histerrier episode because I liked that case a lot, and maybe Aya´s.--- Update From New Post Merge ---
I think we've hit the off-topic quota for the Toriko thread, it's not like it's Bleach or anything
Don´t interrupt Purple when he´s talking about Neuro. You don´t want to interrupt Purple when he´s talking about Neuro.
But yeah, we should stop by this point.
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@Daz:
Its the classic… shonen trope, just hypercharged into ridiculousness
So you're saying it's perfect for Toriko, then?
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Teppei and Pukin are they in relation I reread the manga and in Ch.209 she took Teppi to her lab and knowing that she wasn't the only one who come to save Teppi from Joa and seeing her reaction after finding out what Teppi has done to Komastu even the last chapter she was kind of happy and blushing. Well it doesn't matter, I just want to point it out
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I think we've hit the off-topic quota for the Toriko thread, it's not like it's Bleach or anything
Well, I have to turn my brain off most of the time when I read Toriko, cause of how much it breaks suspension of disbelief lately, even by Toriko's own peusdo-science standards.
I'm pretty close to skim reading it as fast as I would read Bleach. Pretty dangerous territory, a series should never go there.
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Guess Toriko anime wont come back? Now that Dragonball Super is coming.
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If the anime were coming back in 3 months we would've heard about it by now. But yeah, that's what's taking the Dragonball Kai slot once Kai ends.
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I really hope it doesn't come back at all.
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It's been a couple years in universe since that cooking festival. Doesn't explain Komatsu (who was gone much of that time) but it's enough for others to get used to her being around
When the person we're dealing with is a sadistic murderer of former comrades and member of the worlds (until recently) foremost terrorist organization, two years really isn't that long in terms of a complete attitude shift. As far as we can tell she's not on parole, shes not under survillance, she's not forced to be here; she seems to have gotten a full pardon, with no semblance of lingering animosity towards her, no hints of regret or turning over a new leaf. The very fact that Chiyo is there as an ally is never adressed, and sure, sure, we can imagine all sorts of things, like she saved a burning bus full of orphans, and got parole early for good behavior and cried herself to sleep for a year etc. But, as you bring up yorself, we have the worlds easiest shorthand for adressing it in canon: Komatsu.
"Waaaaah, its Chiyo!! She broke out of prison!?!"
"Calm down Komatsu, she's with us now"
"Indeed. I truly regret all the evil sadistic murderous stuff I did".But to Komatsu she's just Chiyo-san. And that to me, is the bigger issue: That to Shima, this is not a matter worth adressing, not needing explanation. What, Chiyo killed some dude years ago? Whatever.
The "Villain come Ally" shonen trope can often be quite awkward and problematic, because when an evil character like Chiyo gets off basically scot free, it severely understates the evil stuff the character did earlier: It was appearantly not important enough or impactful enough to deter repurposing of the character. Seriously, you need to unambiguosly, personally and evilly kill an unambiguosly good named close relative of the main cast (Arlong) in order to have a shot at NOT getting redeemed in shonen, and even then its not a sure thing.Anyway, for me, the main problem with this trope, and Chiyo now, is that more than any insane phenomena or absurd abilities, what completely shatters my suspension of disbelief is when characters actions/interactions/reactions are off, are alien and weird. And the instant, complete and total forgiveness of an evil murderer is bizarre and off to me.
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So you're saying it's perfect for Toriko, then?
Ha! As I was writing I considered using that exact phrase, but I ultimately figured I'd just see if anyone else did it.
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@Daz:
When the person we're dealing with is a sadistic murderer of former comrades and member of the worlds (until recently) foremost terrorist organization, two years really isn't that long in terms of a complete attitude shift. As far as we can tell she's not on parole, shes not under survillance, she's not forced to be here; she seems to have gotten a full pardon, with no semblance of lingering animosity towards her, no hints of regret or turning over a new leaf. The very fact that Chiyo is there as an ally is never adressed, and sure, sure, we can imagine all sorts of things, like she saved a burning bus full of orphans, and got parole early for good behavior and cried herself to sleep for a year etc. But, as you bring up yorself, we have the worlds easiest shorthand for adressing it in canon: Komatsu.
"Waaaaah, its Chiyo!! She broke out of prison!?!"
"Calm down Komatsu, she's with us now"
"Indeed. I truly regret all the evil sadistic murderous stuff I did".But to Komatsu she's just Chiyo-san. And that to me, is the bigger issue: That to Shima, this is not a matter worth adressing, not needing explanation. What, Chiyo killed some dude years ago? Whatever.
The "Villain come Ally" shonen trope can often be quite awkward and problematic, because when an evil character like Chiyo gets off basically scot free, it severely understates the evil stuff the character did earlier: It was appearantly not important enough or impactful enough to deter repurposing of the character. Seriously, you need to unambiguosly, personally and evilly kill an unambiguosly good named close relative of the main cast (Arlong) in order to have a shot at NOT getting redeemed in shonen, and even then its not a sure thing.Anyway, for me, the main problem with this trope, and Chiyo now, is that more than any insane phenomena or absurd abilities, what completely shatters my suspension of disbelief is when characters actions/interactions/reactions are off, are alien and weird. And the instant, complete and total forgiveness of an evil murderer is bizarre and off to me.
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Ha! As I was writing I considered using that exact phrase, but I ultimately figured I'd just see if anyone else did it.
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@Daz:
When the person we're dealing with is a sadistic murderer of former comrades and member of the worlds (until recently) foremost terrorist organization, two years really isn't that long in terms of a complete attitude shift. As far as we can tell she's not on parole, shes not under survillance, she's not forced to be here; she seems to have gotten a full pardon, with no semblance of lingering animosity towards her, no hints of regret or turning over a new leaf. The very fact that Chiyo is there as an ally is never adressed, and sure, sure, we can imagine all sorts of things, like she saved a burning bus full of orphans, and got parole early for good behavior and cried herself to sleep for a year etc. But, as you bring up yorself, we have the worlds easiest shorthand for adressing it in canon: Komatsu.
"Waaaaah, its Chiyo!! She broke out of prison!?!"
"Calm down Komatsu, she's with us now"
"Indeed. I truly regret all the evil sadistic murderous stuff I did".But to Komatsu she's just Chiyo-san. And that to me, is the bigger issue: That to Shima, this is not a matter worth adressing, not needing explanation. What, Chiyo killed some dude years ago? Whatever.
The "Villain come Ally" shonen trope can often be quite awkward and problematic, because when an evil character like Chiyo gets off basically scot free, it severely understates the evil stuff the character did earlier: It was appearantly not important enough or impactful enough to deter repurposing of the character. Seriously, you need to unambiguosly, personally and evilly kill an unambiguosly good named close relative of the main cast (Arlong) in order to have a shot at NOT getting redeemed in shonen, and even then its not a sure thing.Anyway, for me, the main problem with this trope, and Chiyo now, is that more than any insane phenomena or absurd abilities, what completely shatters my suspension of disbelief is when characters actions/interactions/reactions are off, are alien and weird. And the instant, complete and total forgiveness of an evil murderer is bizarre and off to me.
http://bato.to/read/_/205008/toriko_ch257_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/15
http://bato.to/read/_/205008/toriko_ch257_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/16
http://bato.to/read/_/205008/toriko_ch257_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/17I think those pages are the best we can get to form an opinion. I guess after getting back-stabbed by Zaus and nursed by Setsuno, the feelings of her partner finally reached her. As for prison they seems pretty lax on it, Zebra is a super criminal after all and they were in a food crisis.
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Something smells fishy Komastu has demon inside him so why didn't he control the left hand when he ate Air and even when he drunk Pair no sign of that demon was shown unlike the HKs.
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Maybe it's just a different reaction. I mean these guys who just got to Area 7 probably had to have eaten AIR by now, but we're not really sure if they had the same left arm control. Perhaps it's a mutual reaction exclusive to the 4HK
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Speaking of it, I wonder which of the kings got more affinity with pair.
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[/hide]Which mean Komastu should start gaining the control over his demon
