Toriko is meant to be absurd. From Continents that are half the size of Neptune, to Apples with human faces that people shoot tank shells around to "scare them tasty", to 40 pound dumps… and so on. I mean, when people start dying because their "Taste information" was stolen from them and the world is about to riot because food, while plentiful and in full distribution (something that would be a pipe dream on Earth), tastes "average" and is therefore bad, you know that it's not meant to be taken so seriously.
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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i personally dont think the pacing the flaw, its the bland characters and non sensical plot lines, but these aren't necessarily weakness in the manga, bland straight forward characters are easier to relate to for younger kids, early teens, and the nonsensical stuff, well its a fun ride if your in it for that, its about the frame you view media in, its a contextual art form, analytical understanding seems like a much more useful way to spend ones time, rather than just griping over flaws, analyse them and notice patterns and trends in story telling. 420 peace
i like brook he gives me a bone-er haha skull joke
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i personally dont think the pacing the flaw, its the bland characters and non sensical plot lines, but these aren't necessarily weakness in the manga, bland straight forward characters are easier to relate to for younger kids, early teens, and the nonsensical stuff, well its a fun ride if your in it for that, its about the frame you view media in, its a contextual art form, analytical understanding seems like a much more useful way to spend ones time, rather than just griping over flaws, analyse them and notice patterns and trends in story telling. 420 peace
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I hope you all understand something here. You can be critical of a series and still enjoy it. Trying to limit the discussion to only praise of the topic is folly and ridiculous. Even if you don't agree with the criticism it doesn't mean there's no valid point. Complaining about the characters being too muscular is being over-critical (unless its done in jest or you have an overlying problem with the artwork). Complaining about story pacing, character personality (or lack thereof), uninteresting 3rd party elements, or uninteresting story plots thrown in is completely normal as is praising the manga.
Honestly, I understand some folks really love this manga but not everyone will feel the same way about the overall series and its elements as you do. It's almost like people are getting real touchy when someone criticizes something they like.
Can't wait for next chapter.
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Welp, I hope we all just learned something here. You can be critical of a series and still enjoy it. Trying to limit the discussion to only praise of the topic is folly and ridiculous. Even if you don't agree with the criticism it doesn't mean there's no valid point. Complaining about the characters being too muscular is being over-critical (unless its done in jest or you have an overlying problem with the artwork). Complaining about story pacing, character personality (or lack thereof), uninteresting 3rd party elements, or uninteresting story plots thrown in is completely normal as is praising the manga.
Honestly, I understand some folks really love this manga but not everyone will feel the same way about the overall series and its elements as you do. It's almost like people are getting real touchy when someone criticizes something they like.
Can't wait for next chapter.Nah, I'm just genuinely confused about folks who are acting like this is some new 'issue' that began with the Gourmet World. I've been around here for quite some time now, and while Toriko hasn't been without its share of criticism in the past, it feels like post Cooking Fest people have been overly critical about aspects of the series they should have accepted, or at the very least come to expect a very long time ago- specifically the pacing.
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Nah, I'm just genuinely confused about folks who are acting like this is some new 'issue' that began with the Gourmet World. I've been around here for quite some time now, and while Toriko hasn't been without its share of criticism in the past, it feels like post Cooking Fest people have been overly critical about aspects of the series they should have accepted, or at the very least come to expect a very long time ago- specifically the pacing.
That's probably because the Cooking Fest was one of the most hurried arcs of the series. Probably not the most but one of them. Something expected doesn't make it automatically better, by the way. You can just search for the word "pacing" in the old Toriko thread and you'll run across a number of complaints, and probably in this one too. I couldn't understand anyone acting like the pacing problem is anything new but if they are I recommend they re-read some things and see for themselves that this is definitely nothing new.
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You can be critical of a series and still enjoy it.
Yes, you can, and its even desirable. However, its also perfectly normal to think that certain criticisms are exaggerated, especially if they are constantly being brought up as a problem.
The pacing, for example, has always been pretty fast and yes, I totally get that many would prefer a slower pacing sometimes, but honestly, I don't understand criticizing something that has always been there, that its pretty much part of the intrinsic style of the manga and that everyone should be expecting by now.
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Yes, you can, and its even desirable. However, its also perfectly normal to think that certain criticisms are exaggerated, especially if they are constantly being brought up as a problem.
The pacing, for example, has always been pretty fast and yes, I totally get that many would prefer a slower pacing sometimes, but honestly, I don't understand criticizing something that has always been there, that its pretty much part of the intrinsic style of the manga and that everyone should be expecting by now.
You get why sometimes many people prefer a slower pacing but you don't get why people criticize the fast pace? People criticize the fast pace sometimes because it's a constant. The fast pace isn't always bad but for many people it isn't always good either. Sometimes it's just annoying. Just because its been like that from the beginning doesn't mean it should not be brought up because its an expected annoyance for many people.
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You get why sometimes many people prefer a slower pacing but you don't get why people criticize the fast pace? People criticize the fast pace sometimes because it's a constant. The fast pace isn't always bad but for many people it isn't always good either. Sometimes it's just annoying. Just because its been like that from the beginning doesn't mean it should not be brought up because its an expected annoyance for many people.
Like I said, I don't understand it when it has always always been there, its pretty much part of the intrinsic style of the manga and everyone should be expecting by now.
I see no real difference between that and a fan of One Piece that frequently criticizes something like One Piece's art style for example, or One Piece's reliance on tragic backstories. It has always been there, its pretty much part of the intrinsic style of the manga and everyone should be expecting by now, and yet a fan will frequently criticize it? Repetitively? I just don't understand something like that. Such a insistence doesn't make any sense to me. Its like, they enjoy the manga but they are determined to deny something that is an inherent part of its style and way of doing things and they just won't let it go.
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I don't really agree that it's always been a "part" of the intrinsic style when people who criticize it also say they enjoy the wacky parts of it. Pacing can be a problem with it but you deal with it. It's like saying "Oh Bleach has always been like this but you can't criticize its terrible presentation of characters or pacing".
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Like I said, I don't understand it when it has always always been there, its pretty much part of the intrinsic style of the manga and everyone should be expecting by now.
I see no real difference between that and a fan of One Piece that frequently criticizes something like One Piece's art style for example, or One Piece's reliance on tragic backstories. It has always been there, its pretty much part of the intrinsic style of the manga and everyone should be expecting by now, and yet a fan will frequently criticize it? Repetitively? I just don't understand something like that. Such a insistence doesn't make any sense to me.
Like people criticize Naruto's Talk No Jutsu which has always been there since the beginning or Bleach's bland art style and characters? How it's handled at one time is not how it will be handled at another. There are instances of Naruto's TnJ being praised because of how well it was handled (Zabuza & Haku; Neji) and many other times it was trashed. There is some relevant case that Bleach's art had more personality in the beginning as well as its characters but if you really look back at it, it still had pretty much bland white backgrounds when they reach Soul Society (everyone's favorite arc). In One Piece there are plenty of instances where the character backstories give the audience pause (Hody Jones) and many times character backstories receive chunks of praise (Nami). There are times when Toriko's fast pace is good and there are times when it's bad.
Your argument of 'Its always been there so it's immune to criticism because of…time(?)' is…what? What is that even? It does not matter how long its been there. If people have a problem with it at times people will point it out. If your real problem with the criticism is simply the frequency at which people make complaints about it then you can rest assured that, that it is a good sign because it means there's not much else to complain about. As far as I can tell…everyone here really enjoys this manga!
Of course I do have some other problems with the manga mentioned in previous posts but that's besides the point. What's important is that they are all minor complaints.
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Hell I mean we all acknowledge that Joey JoJo has its flaws but we still go along the ride because it's an overall fun ride.
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On criticism and stuff:
@Cutty:I just think that people here like to be overcritical not that they don't like anything.
One reason many of us seem so "negative" or "overly critical" is due to following something over a long period of time. Especially when consuming other series from the same medium, eventually you'll start critically analysing the products- and that includes negative criticism. Following something for years, you start becoming aware of its flaws and weaknessess, and some of us have been reading manga for over a decade-its only natural to become more critical of what you read. However, you can still continue to enjoy something, while still acknowledging its faults, like the transition from early romance where everything about the other is perfect, to discovering, but accepting the others faults.
And since this is a debate forum, such faults can- and should!- be discussed. The nature of debate requires opposing views, otherwise we'd just have an echo chamber to share unanimous praise or theories on the topics. Maybe thats what some people want, but thats not the point of this board. Every dumb nitpick and criticism has as much right to be posted as every shout of praise- just like it has the right to be ignored, or immediately shot down. I have a right to post that Toriko sux becuz it is teh gays, why isnt Rin more sexy?!!, and the right to be ridiculed and maybe banned for it.
And the wondrous thing about this being a web forum is that posts can be skipped, go unheeded. Theres no limit to the amount of parralel discussions that can be going on in a thread simultaneously (as long as everyone quotes properly), so any discussion that annoys can be effectively ignored and filtered out.
Negative criticism only "spoils the mood" if you let it, and if you truly love something from the bottom of your heart, its not like someone voicing a dissenting opinion forcibly changes that. A dissaproving post in a thread of near universal praise is not throwing nails into the bouncy castle.Now, of course, not everyone will just ignore negative criticism (and where would the fun in that be?), and instead engage in an argument about whether the criticism is valid, and attempt to prove it wrong. Thats fine! Thats what a debate forum is for! But if you do that, you forfeit the right to complain that certain arguments clog up the thread, because you yourself help perpetuate them. It takes two to debate.
Of course there can be such a thing as negativity going out of hand. We people are creatures of habit; Once we've developed an attitude or response to something we like to repeat it, to make it the default, because it feels nice and familiar and easy. If not careful, one can easily slip into a habit of slamming something because "it always sucks, so I must find the thing in this chapter that makes it suck! It HAS to be there!".
But the inverse is true as well, and has its fair representation on this board. I've been there myself one time, unable to accept that my championed beloved series could have imperfections; One Piece was perfect because Bleach and Naruto were the devil, and any criticism levelled at OP was wrong by default because it was always perfect. I would bend myself backwards to justify any and all critique of my favourite series-because OP could never be flawed. Enies Lobby was perfection itself.Both extremes of that spectrum are undesirable, and discourages reflection and critical thought. But positive and negative criticism both have a right to exist- sometimes you'll just have to acknowledge an imperfection in that thing you like. On the flip side, you might get a new perspective that adresses an issue you had, or changes your outlook on a series for the better- it happened to me with Jojo.
Or maybe not, and your opinion is unchanged. People have different likes, dislikes, and priorities when it comes to entertainment after all. Whatever the case, as long as people don't get personal or argue that X topic shouldn't be posted anymore, because that just ruins it for everyone.Tl.Dr: Negative Criticism has a right to exist, and no matter its quantity it need not interfere with your enjoyment. And if it does, and annoyingly makes you reflect on a weakness of your cherished series, then thats not always a bad thing.
Anyway, thats how I feel. I've been giving this subject some thought for some time.
EDIT: Also, Outerspec and Purple Hermit say a bunch of stuff I agree with, and in quite less space than this essay I did here.
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Hell I mean we all acknowledge that Joey JoJo has its flaws but we still go along the ride because it's an overall fun ride.
Hell yeah, and…I need to read JoJo when I actually have the time.
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@Daz:
On criticism and stuff:
One reason many of us seem so "negative" or "overly critical" is due to following something over a long period of time. Especially when consuming other series from the same medium, eventually you'll start critically analysing the products- and that includes negative criticism. Following something for years, you start becoming aware of its flaws and weaknessess, and some of us have been reading manga for over a decade-its only natural to become more critical of what you read. However, you can still continue to enjoy something, while still acknowledging its faults, like the transition from early romance where everything about the other is perfect, to discovering, but accepting the others faults.
And since this is a debate forum, such faults can- and should!- be discussed. The nature of debate requires opposing views, otherwise we'd just have an echo chamber to share unanimous praise or theories on the topics. Maybe thats what some people want, but thats not the point of this board. Every dumb nitpick and criticism has as much right to be posted as every shout of praise- just like it has the right to be ignored, or immediately shot down. I have a right to post that Toriko sux becuz it is teh gays, why isnt Rin more sexy?!!, and the right to be ridiculed and maybe banned for it.
And the wondrous thing about this being a web forum is that posts can be skipped, go unheeded. Theres no limit to the amount of parralel discussions that can be going on in a thread simultaneously (as long as everyone quotes properly), so any discussion that annoys can be effectively ignored and filtered out.
Negative criticism only "spoils the mood" if you let it, and if you truly love something from the bottom of your heart, its not like someone voicing a dissenting opinion forcibly changes that. A dissaproving post in a thread of near universal praise is not throwing nails into the bouncy castle.Now, of course, not everyone will just ignore negative criticism (and where would the fun in that be?), and instead engage in an argument about whether the criticism is valid, and attempt to prove it wrong. Thats fine! Thats what a debate forum is for! But if you do that, you forfeit the right to complain that certain arguments clog up the thread, because you yourself help perpetuate them. It takes two to debate.
Of course there can be such a thing as negativity going out of hand. We people are creatures of habit; Once we've developed an attitude or response to something we like to repeat it, to make it the default, because it feels nice and familiar and easy. If not careful, one can easily slip into a habit of slamming something because "it always sucks, so I must find the thing in this chapter that makes it suck! It HAS to be there!".
But the inverse is true as well, and has its fair representation on this board. I've been there myself one time, unable to accept that my championed beloved series could have imperfections; One Piece was perfect because Bleach and Naruto were the devil, and any criticism levelled at OP was wrong by default because it was always perfect. I would bend myself backwards to justify any and all critique of my favourite series-because OP could never be flawed. Enies Lobby was perfection itself.Both extremes of that spectrum are undesirable, and discourages reflection and critical thought. But positive and negative criticism both have a right to exist- sometimes you'll just have to acknowledge an imperfection in that thing you like. On the flip side, you might get a new perspective that adresses an issue you had, or changes your outlook on a series for the better- it happened to me with Jojo.
Or maybe not, and your opinion is unchanged. People have different likes, dislikes, and priorities when it comes to entertainment after all. Whatever the case, as long as people don't get personal or argue that X topic shouldn't be posted anymore, because that just ruins it for everyone.Tl.Dr: Negative Criticism has a right to exist, and no matter its quantity it need not interfere with your enjoyment. And if it does, and annoyingly makes you reflect on a weakness of your cherished series, then thats not always a bad thing.
Anyway, thats how I feel. I've been giving this subject some thought for some time.
EDIT: Also, Outerspec and Purple Hermit say a bunch of stuff I agree with, and in quite less space than this essay I did here.
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Like people criticize Naruto's Talk No Jutsu which has always been there since the beginning or Bleach's bland art style and characters?
Kind of. Just look at their topics of discussion in this forum. They are pretty much a endless spiral of repetition of the same complains and criticisms. They are kind of funny, but they are also kind of a "cesspool" in everything regarding actual discussion because of it and I personally can't imagine myself constantly repeating myself and stating the same complains in a topic like that. What's the point of such insistence?
We either like those aspects or we don't and even though we have every right to criticize it, after a while its just beating on a dead horse and contributing nothing useful towards the discussion. Instead, if we aren't careful, we are just spiraling the topic into a place of hardly anything but those kinds of criticisms.
That's why I don't understand such insistence. I understand speaking your mind and criticizing aspects that you don't like. I don't understand just repeating the same criticisms over and over and over, when everybody is already aware of those criticisms, when those aspects have existed since the start and when they are basically part of the style of the manga.
Your argument of 'Its always been there so it's immune to criticism because of…time(?)' is…what? What is that even?
Actually, I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. As its perfectly clear in all of my posts, I'm not agaisnt criticizing and I'm not saying that they should be immune. I'm simply saying that I don't understand the constant repetition of the same criticism in the topic by the same fans or the need for it.
I see no point in coming here and stating "god this manga is fast, it could be slower sometimes" and then, coming here a few weeks later and saying "god this manga is fast, it could be slower sometimes", and then repeating this every few weeks. There's literally no point. If that was an aspect of the manga that suddenly got much worse recently, then sure, in that case I see a point in repeating it, but other than that, I see no point.
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I read Toriko because it's fast paced and ridiculous. It's literally the whole point of the manga.
If people want a slower pace, find something different.
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I read Toriko because it's fast paced and ridiculous. It's literally the whole point of the manga.
If people want a slower pace, find something different.
The notion that Toriko is fast paced all the time is erroneous. Otherwise, this debate wouldn't be a recurring thing.
Almost everyone loves the world and ridiculous action of the series, and the complaints regarding the pacing stem in large parts for a desire for seeing the fun worlds, scenarios, and characters explored more fully. At +300 chapters and a plethora of arcs, the 1st Biotope and Century Soup arcs are shorter than only the cooking festival…and those two arcs remain oft-cited favourites of the entire series. If those two arcs were 17-ish chapters each, then yeah, peoples expectations for longer arcs would be unjustified. But they weren't.
As these two long arcs are what hooked many people on the series in the first place, the objections to the faster current pace is not really surprising. In the perspective of many, myself included, they represent a potential height which the series doesn't allow itself the time to reach anymore. -
Kind of. Just look at their topics of discussion in this forum. They are pretty much a endless spiral of repetition of the same complains and criticisms. They are kind of funny, but they are also kind of a "cesspool" in everything regarding actual discussion because of it and I personally can't imagine myself constantly repeating myself and stating the same complains in a topic like that. What's the point of such insistence?
We either like those aspects or we don't and even though we have every right to criticize it, after a while its just beating on a dead horse and contributing nothing useful towards the discussion. Instead, if we aren't careful, we are just spiraling the topic into a place of hardly anything but those kinds of criticisms.
That's why I don't understand such insistence. I understand speaking your mind and criticizing aspects that you don't like. I don't understand just repeating the same criticisms over and over and over, when everybody is already aware of those criticisms, when those aspects have existed since the start and when they are basically part of the style of the manga.
Aren't you just exaggerating the complaints now? It's not like every day we hear a problem about pacing on this thread. It's brought up from time to time but no one is coming in here and reminding everybody that they have a problem with some aspect of the manga.
What is the point of bringing up a criticism if you said it before? What is the point of praising the manga for the same stuff (the fighting, absurdity, etc…) if you've said before? Discussion. Praise and criticism will both be rehashed because its all been brought up before. Certain arcs will be more evenly paced than others. Certain characters will better developed than others. Certain fights will be handled more sloppily than others. There's an overlying discussion of both the good and bad regarding all those topics and they will pop up. When that happens than the appropriate praise or criticism will be brought up.
As Daz said, just like criticism can get out of hand so too can praise, resulting in an echo chamber of circle jerkery discussion resulting in no discussion at all.
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remember that time when toriko ate so many calories that he stood in a fire and his cells regenerated as fast as they died
good times
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Just for the record, I wasn't saying you can't negatively criticize it, it's just it seems so odd to me that people act like stuff that's been in the manga for the ENTIRE manga is a new thing. These GM arcs are actually a lot longer than many others. If you don't like the characters or you think a new direction the story is taking isn't interesting, or you wanted to see more of an event or a place or a character, that's a different thing from saying "I wish this manga were totally different from how it's been the entire time".
Toriko's also hardly a cooking manga, given that usually the cooking aspects are very short and they're never the focus. Moreso it's sort of chefs and their relationships/connections with ingredients. What defines "cooking" is figuring out how to get the special preparation ingredients. It's also not really high in terms of 1v1 humanoid fights. Like, seriously, there aren't all that many even if you count every one in the whole series. There's 1 in Gourmet Coliseum (VS Bei), 3 in the Regal Mammoth arc (VS Gido, Cedre and Star), 3 in Ice Hell (VS Tommy, Bogey, and Barry), 1 in Shokurin Temple (VS Chiyo), and a bunch in Cooking Fest.
You can count one more if you count the one in Gourmet Pyramid VS the Nitro, I don't think you'd count the Four Beast. There's a sorta battle against Livebearer that takes place primarily as a card game.
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remember that time when toriko ate so many calories that he stood in a fire and his cells regenerated as fast as they died
good times
Remember that time the whole world's economy went apeshit when Zebra wss released from jail?
Just for the record, I wasn't saying you can't negatively criticize it, it's just it seems so odd to me that people act like stuff that's been in the manga for the ENTIRE manga is a new thing. These GM arcs are actually a lot longer than many others. If you don't like the characters or you think a new direction the story is taking isn't interesting, that's a different thing.
Of course not, but as stated before the reason the pacing has been brought up is because it's a redundant problem that people haven't always been completely attuned with since the beginning of the series, and as the years pass it just becomes more noticable. Complaints about the pacing are not new.
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Aren't you just exaggerating the complaints now?
Its just to make my point across, nothing else.
And discussion should bring something useful/worthwhile to the table, otherwise its pretty pointless. Frequently repeating the same criticisms hardly brings something useful/worthwhile to the table. Neither does repeating the same praises, but at least that would bring some positivity, which is always better than negativity, even if its not useful/worthwhile.
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@Daz:
Almost everyone loves the world and ridiculous action of the series, and the complaints regarding the pacing stem in large parts for a desire for seeing the fun worlds, scenarios, and characters explored more fully.
So much this. I wouldn't give a rat's ass if Bleach, for example, went ahead and dealt with all the baddies in 10 chapters start to finish because there is nothing that I'd ever look forward to experiencing in the Bleach world. So by all means, push the skip button there, show me some fun fights even if they're few in number and I'll be ok with it.
Toriko world, though, is just bursting with fun stuff I'd like to experience more of. That supremely teasing maze, complete with chests and wrong turns leading into miniature, powerful looking monsters for our heroes to fight… who wouldn't want to spend a dozen chapters in there? But Komatsu food luck skips right to the exit and we'll probably never delve into that maze. Opportunity missed, even when it's right there.
Toriko is an adventure manga at its heart - a very enjoyable one. Why then does it skip so many adventure opportunities? I want MOAR cuz I love it!
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Its just not the author's style. He plots the course and adds many details as we go through that course but he hardly deviates from that course.
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Toriko's skin color in the animes finale , was that sort of a glimpse of blue oni within him ? Red + Blue = Violet , I know the anime is not canon an all but can someone share some insight on this ?
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@Daz:
On criticism and stuff:
One reason many of us seem so "negative" or "overly critical" is due to following something over a long period of time. Especially when consuming other series from the same medium, eventually you'll start critically analysing the products- and that includes negative criticism. Following something for years, you start becoming aware of its flaws and weaknessess, and some of us have been reading manga for over a decade-its only natural to become more critical of what you read. However, you can still continue to enjoy something, while still acknowledging its faults, like the transition from early romance where everything about the other is perfect, to discovering, but accepting the others faults.
And since this is a debate forum, such faults can- and should!- be discussed. The nature of debate requires opposing views, otherwise we'd just have an echo chamber to share unanimous praise or theories on the topics. Maybe thats what some people want, but thats not the point of this board. Every dumb nitpick and criticism has as much right to be posted as every shout of praise- just like it has the right to be ignored, or immediately shot down. I have a right to post that Toriko sux becuz it is teh gays, why isnt Rin more sexy?!!, and the right to be ridiculed and maybe banned for it.
And the wondrous thing about this being a web forum is that posts can be skipped, go unheeded. Theres no limit to the amount of parralel discussions that can be going on in a thread simultaneously (as long as everyone quotes properly), so any discussion that annoys can be effectively ignored and filtered out.
Negative criticism only "spoils the mood" if you let it, and if you truly love something from the bottom of your heart, its not like someone voicing a dissenting opinion forcibly changes that. A dissaproving post in a thread of near universal praise is not throwing nails into the bouncy castle.Now, of course, not everyone will just ignore negative criticism (and where would the fun in that be?), and instead engage in an argument about whether the criticism is valid, and attempt to prove it wrong. Thats fine! Thats what a debate forum is for! But if you do that, you forfeit the right to complain that certain arguments clog up the thread, because you yourself help perpetuate them. It takes two to debate.
Of course there can be such a thing as negativity going out of hand. We people are creatures of habit; Once we've developed an attitude or response to something we like to repeat it, to make it the default, because it feels nice and familiar and easy. If not careful, one can easily slip into a habit of slamming something because "it always sucks, so I must find the thing in this chapter that makes it suck! It HAS to be there!".
But the inverse is true as well, and has its fair representation on this board. I've been there myself one time, unable to accept that my championed beloved series could have imperfections; One Piece was perfect because Bleach and Naruto were the devil, and any criticism levelled at OP was wrong by default because it was always perfect. I would bend myself backwards to justify any and all critique of my favourite series-because OP could never be flawed. Enies Lobby was perfection itself.Both extremes of that spectrum are undesirable, and discourages reflection and critical thought. But positive and negative criticism both have a right to exist- sometimes you'll just have to acknowledge an imperfection in that thing you like. On the flip side, you might get a new perspective that adresses an issue you had, or changes your outlook on a series for the better- it happened to me with Jojo.
Or maybe not, and your opinion is unchanged. People have different likes, dislikes, and priorities when it comes to entertainment after all. Whatever the case, as long as people don't get personal or argue that X topic shouldn't be posted anymore, because that just ruins it for everyone.Tl.Dr: Negative Criticism has a right to exist, and no matter its quantity it need not interfere with your enjoyment. And if it does, and annoyingly makes you reflect on a weakness of your cherished series, then thats not always a bad thing.
Anyway, thats how I feel. I've been giving this subject some thought for some time.
EDIT: Also, Outerspec and Purple Hermit say a bunch of stuff I agree with, and in quite less space than this essay I did here.
Don't mind me, just bookmarking this post for future use.
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Saw the manga sales of Volume 32, add Toriko to the list along with Bleach of Series that are slowly dying.
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Along with Bleach? Then there's nothing to fear.
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Saw the manga sales of Volume 32, add Toriko to the list along with Bleach of Series that are slowly dying.
Already been discussed. Its selling more than it did before the anime aired, so there's no problem at all.
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Not to mention that apparently Toriko has already sold more than 20 million copies with just 30 volumes: http://www.manganetabarespoiler.com/toriko-surpassed-an-amazing-number-of-sales.html
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Hell yeah, and…I need to read JoJo when I actually have the time.
No, you actually need to read Jojo now.
Quit your job. Abandon your girlfriend. Make a break in your studies or whatever.
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I just hope nobody from the higher ups at WSJ is forcing him to rush it (seeing as they picked up so many new titles). However I know nothing about how it works in reality.
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Straight forward? Yes
Bland? NoI feel the characters are too overly defined by superficial attributes, there is little depth to the characters, this works with some, not with others, personally prefer more depth, but then i accepted this aspect of toriko from the get go, and enjoy other attributes of the series
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@Daz:
The notion that Toriko is fast paced all the time is erroneous. Otherwise, this debate wouldn't be a recurring thing.
Almost everyone loves the world and ridiculous action of the series, and the complaints regarding the pacing stem in large parts for a desire for seeing the fun worlds, scenarios, and characters explored more fully. At +300 chapters and a plethora of arcs, the 1st Biotope and Century Soup arcs are shorter than only the cooking festival…and those two arcs remain oft-cited favourites of the entire series. If those two arcs were 17-ish chapters each, then yeah, peoples expectations for longer arcs would be unjustified. But they weren't.
As these two long arcs are what hooked many people on the series in the first place, the objections to the faster current pace is not really surprising. In the perspective of many, myself included, they represent a potential height which the series doesn't allow itself the time to reach anymore.Majority of time it's been very fast-paced though. They go in, conquer whatever ridiculousness has been concocted, and EAT. Been the M.O. since forever, I'd say this is an EATING manga more then it is a cooking manga.
Rinse, Lather, Repeat, outside of a couple arcs. He's been very consistent. If the mangaka took his time, I'm sure people would still complain that he's not going fast enough.
Could the author do some more world building, more character development? Sure, and I'm not saying people can't criticize it. I'm so used to slow pacing with One Piece or even going back to my DBZ(anime)days that this is refreshing. Arcs done in less than 20 chapters, and it's clear not just a sloppy mess? Awesome.
I invest time like everybody else, but when I start disliking the direction a manga is going and continues at I stop reading it. Might see a different tone if I paid for it though.
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@Daz:
The notion that Toriko is fast paced all the time is erroneous. Otherwise, this debate wouldn't be a recurring thing.
Almost everyone loves the world and ridiculous action of the series, and the complaints regarding the pacing stem in large parts for a desire for seeing the fun worlds, scenarios, and characters explored more fully. At +300 chapters and a plethora of arcs, the 1st Biotope and Century Soup arcs are shorter than only the cooking festival…and those two arcs remain oft-cited favourites of the entire series. If those two arcs were 17-ish chapters each, then yeah, peoples expectations for longer arcs would be unjustified. But they weren't.
As these two long arcs are what hooked many people on the series in the first place, the objections to the faster current pace is not really surprising. In the perspective of many, myself included, they represent a potential height which the series doesn't allow itself the time to reach anymore.The AIR Arc isn't really all that much shorter than the Century Soup or Regal Mammoth arcs (we're talking maybe 2 1/2 months worth more content.) You're citing exceptions, not stanards. 16 out of the 19 arcs run less than 30 chapters.
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Whatever happened to skadi. Did they drop the series
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skadi will come back when Sani vomits out Tommyrod
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No, you actually need to read Jojo now.
Quit your job. Abandon your girlfriend. Make a break in your studies or whatever.
Just
Read It
NowBut his bizarre adventure is so loooooooooong.
I had to do it. This is a Toriko thread.
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303 Spoilers:
! 立ち尽くす四天王
トリコは确认の为リドルチャプターを当てる と同时に威吓されるトリコ
サニーの手元のﾊﾟｯﾄﾞには哺乳王类 捕获レベル６０００と表示
数字に愕然とするサニーに构わず攻撃态势に入っているゼブラ それをサポートしようとするトリコとココ
サニーは瞬时に気持ちを立て直す际に瞬きをしてしまった。时间にして0.1秒の视覚の遮断
その时间は野生において致命的な油断と言える
瞬きをしたその目に映ったのはバラバラにされている四天王达の姿
サニーは后悔したが待っていたのは绝望 先程までの光景全てが无くなっていた -
! So it looks like Bambina's capture level is about the same as the king battle wolf's. I mean, there's a 90 level discrepancy, but when you get up into the thousands I doubt that really matters.
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! This chapter should shut some people up in here, lol
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! So it looks like Bambina's capture level is about the same as the king battle wolf's. I mean, there's a 90 level discrepancy, but when you get up into the thousands I doubt that really matters.
The battle wolf with 6090 capture level may not be the king battle wolf. That's what I think.
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The battle wolf with 6090 capture level may not be the king battle wolf. That's what I think.
It litterally said on the the 8 kings on his introduction. It was the King battle wolf.
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It litterally said on the the 8 kings on his introduction. It was the King battle wolf.
Damn.. I was even more convinced too because we learned the name of the king last chapter
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Repeat after me:
! [And then everyone died.]
