Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!

[TLC]

@Nekketsu:

Okay, let's put it the way you suggest.

Midora: You can leave if you want.
Komatsu: Cool, thanks!

1 minute later

Midora: Back already?
Komatsu: There's a gigantic Regal Mammoth with multiple trumpets out there!

End of this foolish discussion

Komatsu: There's a giant mammoth out there, were you just fucking with me?

Midora: Oh no, I'll send someone along to help you.

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@Nekketsu:

Midora thinks of all the chefs as his combo, he wouldn't let anyone leave. So yeah, it's clear he lied. But Komatsu's statement still holds the same value as Toriko will still come for him. It's like he saw through Midora's words, which would be kinda impressive.

So now you're making claims based on your own speculation (which directly contradict what has been directly shown in the manga) and treating them as fact to validate the poor writing of this manga? Okay then.

[Nekketsu]

@Thousand:

So now you're making claims based on your own speculation (which directly contradict what has been directly shown in the manga) and treating them as fact to validate the poor writing of this manga? Okay then.

Midora offering help? Hahahahaha

And on top of that you' re using a minor thing such a a simple statement that is nothing serious and have the gall to flat out say the entire series is based on poor writing? I'm fed up of your BS, I regret doing this but you leave me no choice, you Negima fanboy who only come here whenever there is something that may rise some controversy.

Did I sound too rude?

[TLC]

@Nekketsu:

Midora offering help? Hahahahaha

He's the one who gave the offer in the first place. He'd look stupid if he didn't follow up on his own word. Also, if he were lying, it would kinda invalidate all the emotion out of Komatsu's epic declaration. It's fine to have your theories but don't go bandying them around like cold hard fact when absolutely nothing from the manga supports them and quite the opposite seem to contradict them.

@Nekketsu:

And on top of that you' re using a minor thing such a a simple statement that is nothing serious and have the gall to flat out say the entire series is based on poor writing?

No, I'm using that simple statement that is nothing serious to flat out say that the writing of that scene your statement is referring to was poor.

@Nekketsu:

I'm fed up of your BS, I regret doing this but you leave me no choice, you Negima fanboy who only come here whenever there is something that may rise some controversy.

I assume you reported me or something and your grand gesture of regret wasn't just a very lame diatribe.

I come here to discuss a manga that once upon a time I really liked. It's not my fault the writing has been poor lately, an opinion shared by others yet I don't see you singling them out. I have better things to do than troll people. I stick to the facts and and call out bs. You're the one making some very questionable claims and treating them like fact.

@Nekketsu:

Did I sound too rude?

I think you sound like you're having a meltdown. Carry on, it's very entertaining.

[Cyclone_Baroness]

@desa:

I remember the four 4 kings being the best bishukuyas of their time. But Coco is a fortune-teller, Zebra is super criminal and I doubt Sani do much work. So I aren't surprise if Toriko is consider to be the one to have profit the most to the gourmet age.

I thought Sani's finds were all beauty improvement related stuff. Where's the grateful cougars and super models? Lol.

[themick]

What i dont get is how Toriko discovered so many ingredients. The Gourmet Age began hundreds of years ago and Toriko is only like low 20s? So he hasnt been around long enouhg to really discover alot. Also, wasnt he an orphan untill like 10? Then after that lived with the other HK and Ichiryuu for a few years? So Toriko discovered those 6000 ingredients inbetween then and the start of the story? This seems not very plausible, also we havent heard really anythign about this during the story. As if all of that isnt enough there is the fact that Toriko is not that strong. Sure he is strong for a human world hunter but in the grand scheme of the planet he was super weak. This means everything he discovered would be in human world. I just find it odd that there are so many ingredients in human world for him to discover. How have someone else not discovered it in the 200-300 years since the start of the Gourmet Age? Its just so unlikely seeming and feels forced because we havent heard anything about it except a handul of narrator bubbles in 260+ chapters.

And how has nobody complained about the fact that he got his butt kicked by the 4 beast like a week ago who was capture level like 300, with the other HK with him, and now hes jumped into Gourmet world and is throwing long range forks that are scaring the crap out of capture level 500 beasts? Too much unchecked exponential growth from characters.

[Nekketsu]

@themick:

What i dont get is how Toriko discovered so many ingredients. The Gourmet Age began hundreds of years ago and Toriko is only like low 20s? So he hasnt been around long enouhg to really discover alot. Also, wasnt he an orphan untill like 10? Then after that lived with the other HK and Ichiryuu for a few years? So Toriko discovered those 6000 ingredients inbetween then and the start of the story? This seems not very plausible, also we havent heard really anythign about this during the story. As if all of that isnt enough there is the fact that Toriko is not that strong. Sure he is strong for a human world hunter but in the grand scheme of the planet he was super weak. This means everything he discovered would be in human world. I just find it odd that there are so many ingredients in human world for him to discover. How have someone else not discovered it in the 200-300 years since the start of the Gourmet Age? Its just so unlikely seeming and feels forced because we havent heard anything about it except a handul of narrator bubbles in 260+ chapters.

300 thousand ingredients in the world, Toriko had discovered 6000 at the beggining of the history. Nothing forced, there's plenty of info out there.

And how has nobody complained about the fact that he got his butt kicked by the 4 beast like a week ago who was capture level like 300, with the other HK with him, and now hes jumped into Gourmet world and is throwing long range forks that are scaring the crap out of capture level 500 beasts? Too much unchecked exponential growth from characters.

It's been over a month since the 4beast invasion, not a week. No one is complaining because recently Toriko got massive boost that was felt by even the 8 Kings, the strongest creatures in Gourmet World whose capture levels are insane. It seems you missed that.

I suggest you reread the manga from chapter 1, in order to avoid confusion.

[Smiley]

So some special food somehow gives someone will to go to school?:ninja:

[Louis-1988]

@themick:

And how has nobody complained about the fact that he got his butt kicked by the 4 beast like a week ago who was capture level like 300, with the other HK with him, and now hes jumped into Gourmet world and is throwing long range forks that are scaring the crap out of capture level 500 beasts? Too much unchecked exponential growth from characters.

Let's reflect on all that's happened between then and now, shall we?

1. Toriko discovered Appetite Energy during his fight against the 4-Beast.
2. Toriko's Gourmet Cells evolved after eating the Four Beasts meat.
3. Toriko learned Nail Gun.
4. Toriko learned the Ultimate Routine from Aimaru.
5. In his fight against Starjun Toriko developed a plethora of new techniques: Remote controlled Fork, Fork Kugi Punch, Knife Nail Gun, Twin Nail Gun, Fork Armor, Kugi Kick and cranked the Ren up to 70 on his Kugi punches.
6. Toriko's Gourmet Cell monster manifested in physical form for the first time.
7. Komatsu healed Toriko using the Revitalizing Kitchen knife technique. Remember how strong Toriko's left arm became the last time it was healed after Tommy blew it off?

It hasn't gone unchecked at all. It's not like Toriko suddenly powered up with no explanation at all.

[Nekketsu]

@Louis-1988:

Let's reflect on all that's happened between then and now, shall we?

1. Toriko discovered Appetite Energy during his fight against the 4-Beast.
2. Toriko's Gourmet Cells evolved after eating the Four Beasts meat.
3. Toriko learned Nail Gun.
4. Toriko learned the Ultimate Routine from Aimaru.
5. In his fight against Starjun Toriko developed a plethora of new techniques: Remote controlled Fork, Fork Kugi Punch, Knife Nail Gun, Twin Nail Gun, Fork Armor, Kugi Kick and cranked the Ren up to 70 on his Kugi punches.
6. Toriko's Gourmet Cell monster manifested in physical form for the first time.
7. Komatsu healed Toriko using the Revitalizing Kitchen knife technique. Remember how strong Toriko's left arm became the last time it was healed after Tommy blew it off?

It hasn't gone unchecked at all. It's not like Toriko suddenly powered up with no explanation at all.

Fair enough. I'm starting to think some people here just foolishly ignore facts and complain for complain.

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@Toraish:

Do you people know how to converse or do I need to flag the thread for all the mods to see?

Looks like normal conversation to me.

[The Laughing Man]

@Smiley:

So some special food somehow gives someone will to go to school?:ninja:

Chicken nugget days at my school, I sure as hell made sure I was there.

[Takto]

That was a very nice ending :). Toriko jumps happy and with a smile in the Gourmet World, reminds me of Luffy when he enters the new world the first time(Perfect). Sure the start was a bit slow, but overall it was nice and also a nice end for the human world and a nice start for the GW.
If there were a transcript of my reaction for the capture lv. revealations, it would be like this. Oh(219), Ok(536), THAT THING LOOKS AWESOME WTF(972), WTF(1160), THATS A BIG A** MOFO WTF(2650), WHAT THE F***(4220) OOOOHHH MYYY GOOOD (6090!!!)

Rest well Shima

[Nectar]

Marathoned Toriko about a month ago, good series. Stayed away cause people seemed to bash the series a lot. Guess it's because I didn't have to wait weekly for chapters like everyone else which greatly improved my enjoyment of the series. Anyway, loved the gourmet monsters preview. First half was sappy but Toriko is hungry again so it all worked out.

So…we getting a time skip? I'm guessing anywhere from two weeks to a year.

[Nekketsu]

@Nectar:

So…we getting a time skip? I'm guessing anywhere from two weeks to a year.

Hello and welcome. Hope you enjoy the stay. As for a time skip, it cannot be more than a year at most, as GOD will soon awaken.

[themick]

@Nekketsu:

300 thousand ingredients in the world, Toriko had discovered 6000 at the beggining of the history. Nothing forced, there's plenty of info out there..

Of these 300,000 we have seen none and heard about almost none untill this week.

@Louis-1988:

Let's reflect on all that's happened between then and now, shall we?

1. Toriko discovered Appetite Energy during his fight against the 4-Beast.
2. Toriko's Gourmet Cells evolved after eating the Four Beasts meat.
3. Toriko learned Nail Gun.
4. Toriko learned the Ultimate Routine from Aimaru.
5. In his fight against Starjun Toriko developed a plethora of new techniques: Remote controlled Fork, Fork Kugi Punch, Knife Nail Gun, Twin Nail Gun, Fork Armor, Kugi Kick and cranked the Ren up to 70 on his Kugi punches.
6. Toriko's Gourmet Cell monster manifested in physical form for the first time.
7. Komatsu healed Toriko using the Revitalizing Kitchen knife technique. Remember how strong Toriko's left arm became the last time it was healed after Tommy blew it off?

It hasn't gone unchecked at all. It's not like Toriko suddenly powered up with no explanation at all.

1. Which seemed like an ass pull at the time plus he couldnt do it by himself.
2. This is possible but i dont remember a scene where he eats it and start glowing or whatever. Link?
3. I thought he has known nail gun for a long time?
4. Another ass pull attacks/power up.
5. He started using new attacks out of nowhere not impressive to me because it came from what i consider an ass pull power up.
6. True it did but who knows what it really means and seems plot convienant that some inner monster comes out and saves him and makes him stronger. That bleach style crap.
7. So he has 1 strong arm and leg now? Also, its weird to get beat down and now be stronger cuz he regrew a limb. Hes a saiyan?

[Nekketsu]

@themick:

2. This is possible but i dont remember a scene where he eats it and start glowing or whatever. Link?
3. I thought he has known nail gun for a long time?
4. Another ass pull attacks/power up.
5. He started using new attacks out of nowhere not impressive to me because it came from what i consider an ass pull power up.
6. True it did but who knows what it really means and seems plot convienant that some inner monster comes out and saves him and makes him stronger. That bleach style crap.
7. So he has 1 strong arm and leg now? Also, its weird to get beat down and now be stronger cuz he regrew a limb. Hes a saiyan?

Now reread the manga from the beggining to check how much wrong you are. Pathetic that at this point there's still someone who still doesn't know how the power scale works in Toriko. Even more shameful calling power feats that were hinted and foreshadowed "asspulls". And absolutely disgraceful to take an statement like when they said Toriko had discovered 6000 ingredients earlier in the history as void. Know your facts.

[kouch_lee]

[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214344/toriko_ch263_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/21

O](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214344/toriko_ch263_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/21)h shit, fucking Chtulu sneaked in Toriko.

You better pray for your souls.

[Nekketsu]

@kouch_lee:

[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214344/toriko_ch263_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/21

O](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214344/toriko_ch263_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/21)h shit, fucking Chtulu sneaked in Toriko.

You better pray for your souls.

A certain unlucky kid from another series can attest that.

[KageKageKing]

@Nekketsu:

A certain unlucky kid from another series can attest that.

I really wanna know who you are referring.

[The Laughing Man]

Cthulhu is best god. Well… Him and Doge, but yeah.

[Nekketsu]

@KageKageKing:

I really wanna know who you are referring.

Which is ten times more brutal, actually.

[KageKageKing]

And I thought in japan, kids are hard to die.

[Louis-1988]

Dunno if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the Thunderous Devil didn't die.

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Looks like it managed to escaped the stomp.

[Skadi]

Ok I think we all should give Toriko a good reread, specially to look out for foreshadowings and to have the whole story fresh in our heads by the time the hiatus ends. A volume per day does perfectly as there are 28 volumes and a bit more of chapters to read.

[rereboy]

@Louis-1988:

Dunno if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the Thunderous Devil didn't die.

! http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/263.0/compressed/ptoriko_263_020.jpg?v=11388118722

Looks like it managed to escaped the stomp.

Yeah, none of the beasts were killed by the stronger beasts, and even the weakest shown was able to dodge Toriko's attack.

[Louis-1988]

@rereboy:

Yeah, none of the beasts were killed by the stronger beasts, and even the weakest shown was able to dodge Toriko's attack.

That I already knew, but I didn't notice that the Thunderous Devil had dodged until my second read through.

[Nekketsu]

To think the Ashurasaurus is Jirou's meat dish… and he eats them for breakfast.

[Glowstuff]

Only thing I've always wondered is….

If gourmet food is supposed to be so much more delicious, why didn't Toriko, coco, and sani wait until gourmet to make up their full course. (More specifically sani and coco) most of the things on zebra's is probably from gourmet world, and Toriko still has a lot of spots left.

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@Glowstuff:

Only thing I've always wondered is….

If gourmet food is supposed to be so much more delicious, why didn't Toriko, coco, and sani wait until gourmet to make up their full course. (More specifically sani and coco) most of the things on zebra's is probably from gourmet world, and Toriko still has a lot of spots left.

Makes me wonder how taboo replacing an item on your full course is.

[Gatekeeper]

Just read the chapter, pretty heart warming if it wasn't for Komatsu in the beginning. Also, I'm so hyped for GW. But I'm annoyed that Shima has gone the Pokemon way and labeled a dinosaur as a dragon, or is it just the translations?

[benjamminbrown]

It seems to me that the full course is not so much made up of solely "objectively delicious" ingredients, but that it is more of a subjective thing. See: Sani's talk about setting the mood, etc.
There's more to "delicious"ness than what all people might say just tastes good.

Just my 2c.

[fana]

I think a full course is something that can change in a Gourmet hunter's life.
For example, I don't think Toriko will refuse to change his dessert if he taste something "better" than the rainbow fruit.

[Daz]

@Nekketsu:

Midora thinks of all the chefs as his combo, he wouldn't let anyone leave. So yeah, it's clear he lied. But Komatsu's statement still holds the same value as Toriko will still come for him. It's like he saw through Midora's words, which would be kinda impressive.

Theres so many things that are appearantly clear from that scene.

Komatsu is actually staying behind because instinct told him this was a smart thing to do.
Komatsu is actually staying behind because he wants to learn from the murderous criminals who forcibly abducted him
Komatsu is actually staying behind for the sake of the other chefs.
Komatsu is actually staying behind because he wouldn't even be able to leave the GW.

And now we're at Midora lying, so Komatsu never actually had any option of leaving.
Which means that by refusing Midoras offer, Komatsu is actually not sacrificing anything.
Which makes his big dramatic gesture empty.

While at the same time decreasing the impact Komatsus cooking had on Midora, and making everybodys reaction to Midoras offer of release seem overblown.

This is "actually, Pell let go of the bomb, so him surviving makes sense" kind of thinking. A dramatic scene has stupid implications, and in an attempt to negate those you throw new explanations and contexts' onto the scene, hoping to find something that sticks, but ignoring that you're completely overriding the original, simple dramatic point of the scene.

[Purple Hermit]

Yeah, I mean, wasn't that whole chapter basically devoted to the idea that Komatsu's cooking is the first cooking since Frohze's that moved Midora? Would Midora really want to leave a chef with that much potential to the threats of the gourmet world?

Can't we just go with Komatsu's undying loyalty to and belief in Toriko, even if it's not necessarily the most rational decision? The shining in his eyes isn't just because "he sees through Midora" after all.

[rereboy]

@The:

Theres so many things that are appearantly clear from that scene.

Komatsu is actually staying behind because instinct told him this was a smart thing to do.
Komatsu is actually staying behind because he wants to learn from the murderous criminals who forcibly abducted him
Komatsu is actually staying behind for the sake of the other chefs.
Komatsu is actually staying behind because he wouldn't even be able to leave the GW.

And now we're at Midora lying, so Komatsu never actually had any option of leaving.
Which means that by refusing Midoras offer, Komatsu is actually not sacrificing anything.
Which makes his big dramatic gesture empty.

While at the same time decreasing the impact Komatsus cooking had on Midora, and making everybodys reaction to Midoras offer of release seem overblown.

This is "actually, Pell let go of the bomb, so him surviving makes sense" kind of thinking. A dramatic scene has stupid implications, and in an attempt to negate those you throw new explanations and contexts' onto the scene, hoping to find something that sticks, but ignoring that you're completely overriding the original, simple dramatic point of the scene.

If you want to ignore all the other examples that have come up before this of characters trusting their feelings/instincts/sixth sense even when it didn't make much logical sense, sure, it makes perfect sense what you are saying.

[Purple Hermit]

@rereboy:

If you want to ignore all the other examples that have come up before this of characters trusting their feelings/instincts/sixth sense even when it didn't make much logical sense, sure, it makes perfect sense what you are saying.

Daz's point isn't comparing this scene to something like Coco's "I sent Komatsu over to Toriko in the middle of the fight because it'd end up protecting them." It's the emotional impact and weight. What does this scene say about the relationship between Komatsu and Toriko? That Komatsu is staying purely because he believes in Toriko is a stronger sentiment than "Well I believe in Toriko, but really I know Midora's bluffing right now so fuck it I'll stay." If Midora didn't offer him a choice at all, then the scene showing his loyalty to his partner really doesn't matter because, hey, he's stuck there anyway.

As for Midora not offering him a choice at all, it'd also kinda blunt the impact of the scene where Komatsu's cooking really was exquisite enough to move Midora, enough that both Starjun and Ootake were shocked by that statement. If it wasn't a legitimate statement, then those reactions in particular wouldn't really matter because "Oh, Midora was just bluffing the whole time." In both of these things, Komatsu's not doing this for any reason other than because he wants to serve food to a hungry customer, not because he sees that Midora's lying about his offer or that he's challenging chefs because of his voracious appetite, and giving an ulterior motive to this would just serve to undermine Komatsu's simple-but-charming character.

[Myu]

Toriko being the person contributed most to the Gourmet Age wasn't told from narrator's point of view. So it doesn't have to be end all be all true. Hell, remember Shima speaking as if eight kings were equal to four best and that server to hing from earlier on. Those people were saved from starving and coped better with life because of the ingredients he found. When you try to cheer another you know what happens. Things get exaggerated.

There is no question Ichiryuu is the one contributed most to the Gourmet Age through an objective point BUT those people were not objective. With the conditions given above I think There shouldn't be a hot discussion whether he really was or not. And to call Toriko bad written series recently is plain wrong.

Komatsu's case… I don't think it's a case but rather the way Komatsu is. At this point it is OK to call their combo relationship cheesy. Komatsu always acted on emotions. It's okay to bash him because of this in its generality but this's sang a special case for me. I'm saying this accepting his decision wasn't anywhere near wise. Plus he will learn Midora killed Ichiryuu basically at his stay. So Komatsu is there anyone left in the world to save you? Think.

BUT it isn't like Komatsu found a secret way to make an escape. Jobs done. Midora is satisfied and agreeing to let Komatsu go. So even if Toriko were to be there right now Komatsu is a free man. Komatsu didn't say "He will come here and beat that Stars ass and yours if you want it too. Then I'll be gone, bitch". He may have MEANT it but that that puts the most of anti Konatsu arguments to be get based on assumption. Earlier I saw no way out for Toriko to escape the state he is in but to save Komatsu I thought. Komatsu would want to stay there solely in that reason but this chapter showed it wasn't so. And that makes it better. It's ok for Komatsu to be ultra emotional he was always that way. But that wasn't the case for Toriko and this last chapter showed it to Toriko too. He remembered what made him Bishokuya and how he was going through that road with Komatsu. So the only thing he needs know to get him back. Komatsu is learning to become a better chef too. And they are separate again as the series started. I like that excluding context how it happened.

And... I think the point of Toriko's fork was how long it traveled rather than its strength. Last time it didn't reached even that Giraffe.

I have no idea about Toriko's level too. Since the first half was mostly him getting lvl 100 I think we shouldn't really underestimate even 100 level of a difference.

[Nekketsu]

Even a 219 CL creature dodged Toriko's Fork like nothing, while others simply didn't bother because it can't even make a dent on their hard skin.

By the way, what's your favorite Toriko quote?

[Louis-1988]

@Nekketsu:

Even a 219 CL creature dodged Toriko's Fork like nothing, while others simply didn't bother because it can't even make a dent on their hard skin.

By the way, what's your favorite Toriko quote?

By far it has to be this one:

There's no time like the present, and any time afterwards is the wrong time.

Truer words hath never been spoketh.

[kevo_koma]

Oh wow, Toriko did a much better job of showing just how dangerous and chaotic its version of the new world is than One piece.

[The Laughing Man]

@kevo_koma:

Oh wow, Toriko did a much better job of showing just how dangerous and chaotic its version of the new world is than One piece.

Somewhat off-topic: Betting the Yonko could survive in Toriko's Gourmet World, maybe some other strong dudes too (like most likely Dragon).

[rereboy]

Any logia could probably survive because they are logia.

[Louis-1988]

@The:

Somewhat off-topic: Betting the Yonko could survive in Toriko's Gourmet World, maybe some other strong dudes too (like most likely Dragon).

Doubtful that they would make it very far in Gourmet World. Toriko himself is stronger than anyone in One Piece. One Piece top-tiers wouldn't be able to hold a candle to a Gourmet World beast.

[The Laughing Man]

@Louis-1988:

Doubtful that they would make it very far in Gourmet World. Toriko himself is stronger than anyone in One Piece. One Piece top-tiers wouldn't be able to hold a candle to a Gourmet World beast.

That's not entirely true, you see, the one Yonko we've seen in action (Whitebeard) has powers that are on a planetary scale, similar to Jirou knocking the entire planet. Whitebeard's power was literally creating earthquakes and tsunamis on the other side of the planet when he was spamming them at Marineford; Whitebeard literally had the power that could destroy the (One Piece) world. One Piece's world is also larger than our own, however, I think Toriko's is still larger than One Piece's world.

Basically what I'm saying is, I'm almost 100% certain that at least Whitebeard and Kaido could hold their own in the Gourmet World, especially Whitebeard. (Heck… Kuma could probably hold his own too, since he can repel anything and everything miles upon miles; what's stopping him from repelling that Cthulhu Elephant into space, and suffocating it? lol)

P.S. - These are the conversations I LIVE FOR. But...we should probably stop. lol I don't want to get in trouble, and this is quite off-topic.

[Nekketsu]

Many characters in One Piece could hold their own in Gourmet World. For instance Kuzan could freeze any creature that approached him.

[Louis-1988]

@The:

That's not entirely true, you see, the one Yonko we've seen in action (Whitebeard) has powers that are on a planetary scale, similar to Jirou knocking the entire planet. Whitebeard's power was literally creating earthquakes and tsunamis on the other side of the planet when he was spamming them at Marineford; Whitebeard literally had the power that could destroy the (One Piece) world. One Piece's world is also larger than our own, however, I think Toriko's is still larger than One Piece's world.

Basically what I'm saying is, I'm almost 100% certain that at least Whitebeard and Kaido could hold their own in the Gourmet World, especially Whitebeard. (Heck… Kuma could probably hold his own too, since he can repel anything and everything miles upon miles; what's stopping him from repelling that Cthulhu Elephant into space, and suffocating it? lol)

P.S. - These are the conversations I LIVE FOR. But...we should probably stop. lol I don't want to get in trouble, and this is quite off-topic.

Planetary scale? You kidding me? When has he shown anything even remotely close to planetary? Lets review what killed Whitebeard, shall we? 267 slash and stab wounds, 152 gunshots, 1 finger laser from Kizaru, 2 magma fists and 30 some odd cannon ball shots. That's all it took to bring down the champion of One Piece. Now lets compare that to what the Mount Turtle (a mid 150 CLVL beast) tanked.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/toriko/c196/4.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/toriko/c196/6.html

To put that in perspective; the Mount Turtle withstood enough fire power to wasteland all of Europe(10,000 KM) and didn't even flinch.

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And the beasts we're seeing now make the Mount Turtle look like a cute puppy by comparison. Whitebeard would get raped in the Gourmet World.

Also, you might want to look up a little something called the "No Limits Fallacy" before you assert so assuredly that Kuma is sending that behomoth into space. -_- http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/No_limits_fallacy

@Nekketsu:

Many characters in One Piece could hold their own in Gourmet World. For instance Kuzan could freeze any creature that approached him.

If people like Doflamingo can break out of Kuzan's ice then it's safe to say that anything level 150+ isn't staying frozen for very long.

[rereboy]

That's only because he wasn't a Logia. Even Luffy wouldn't get hurt by bullets and Whitebeard was, simply because his devil fruit didn't work that way.

[Purple Hermit]

I've always interpreted the New World as a place fraught with danger, but really I think my impression of it was pretty much what was shown. A pretty wacky place that defies a lot of logical stuff sometimes where crazy stuff happens.

Gourmet world? Of course it's gotta be a dangerous place in and of itself. If only guys like the 0th Biotope are even allowed outside, there's gotta be some crazy beasts out there.

And are we really comparing power scales of two different series now?

[Dryish]

The power levels aren't that big of an issue for me per se, but how freakishly big does the Gourmet World part of the planet have to be if the absolutely humongous Elephant Cthulhu can't be seen from the human world? It's around four times as big as the Thunderous Beast that stood at least two to three times as tall as the highest volcanoes in the place, and you're telling me it's not blotting out the sun?

Toriko's planet must be near the size of Jupiter or something.

[Nekketsu]

Well, if the Human World population is over 30 billion and is just a small part in the center of the world, you can make yourself an idea.