not denying he's skillful without his sword but the things he does with his sword are on par with the better swordmen abilities we've seen so far
Kishido is right, Law is not a swordsman in the least. The things he does with his sword are only as effective as they are because of his Devil Fruit. Tashigi's sword got cut - because of his DF. The ship got cut easily - because of his DF! End of discussion, I hope.
Hey remember that time Luffy used swords agaisnt Arlong so that must mean he is a swordsman too.
@Yonkou:
I'm pretty sure I'mnot alone in think that something REALLY big will happen in chapter 666.
You're not the only one thinkin' that.
That has to be the coolest way to picture Law, just a random sadistical killer playing with his lego. :ninja:
Yep Lego rules. Who would dare to say otherwise when they have COD on lego!!:happy:
Just thought I'd say this - everyone seems so against Law being a swordsman, merely because he MAINLY uses it with his ability. What about versus Smoker? I saw some swordsmanship there…
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only proper swordsmen we've seen so far would be Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Tashigi (& Kuina), Ryuuma and the Samurai we've met now. Sorry, add Kaku to that. Possibly Hacchi and Hyouzo. Anyways, point is - not a lot!
Well we haven't seen him using it that much for swordsmanship so far, but it isn't something we should just eliminate immediately…
I get a feeling that Law likes to hold back sometimes on his abilities... let his enemies think they know about him then whip out a big can of surprise on their asses...
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only proper swordsmen we've seen so far would be Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Tashigi (& Kuina), Ryuuma and the Samurai we've met now. Sorry, add Kaku to that. Possibly Hacchi and Hyouzo. Anyways, point is - not a lot!
Then there's T-bone, ohm with his pup, uhmm and mr1 though he isn't really a propper swordman. To be fair, I get the feeling that swormanship goes beyond bushido in the OP world, which seems to be what you're pointing at.
@Yonkou:
I'm pretty sure I'mnot alone in think that something REALLY big will happen in chapter 666.
Law's real form?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only proper swordsmen we've seen so far would be Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Tashigi (& Kuina), Ryuuma and the Samurai we've met now. Sorry, add Kaku to that. Possibly Hacchi and Hyouzo. Anyways, point is - not a lot!
What about Zoro's teacher, Johny, Yosaku, Onigumo, Doberman, Momonga.
That doesn't make him a swordsman… But wait... people are thinking KiZaru is a swordsman as well... even if he never used it in the biggest war ever
taking it my argument to that of others doesn't make you right
plus he used a sword so what he didn't show the feats law was pulling with his sword, and kizaru just makes a blade out of his ability instead of using a real katana,
i don't see how your so adament he isn't a swordsmen
Kishido is right, Law is not a swordsman in the least. The things he does with his sword are only as effective as they are because of his Devil Fruit. Tashigi's sword got cut - because of his DF. The ship got cut easily - because of his DF! End of discussion, I hope.
lol i don't see how you can saw he isn't a swordsman in the least, he uses his sword to use his ability, why not use a knife or a short sword or any random blade, why does he use a proper katana which has a great design, because as you think he isn't a swordsman in the least, yet he's pulling great feats, its end of discussion if you want to be a bit closed minded about the whole thing, i would reread the last few chapters the ship wasn't cut because of his devil fruit
evidence
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/662/8
or read cnets translation
cnet "People: Whoaaahhh~~~~~~~~~~!!! // !!! // Oh, crap~~~~~~~~~~~!!! Now he's sliced up the "crazy sculpture"!!! // The battleship's falling right on top of us!!! // We oughtta get outta here!!! // We're only getting in the way!!!"
@arlekin21:
Hey remember that time Luffy used swords agaisnt Arlong so that must mean he is a swordsman too.
yea i remember than, and luffy with swords would be easily defeated by a proper swordsmen
Are you really comparing luffy who picks up random blade compared to a man who's carried the same sword for the past 2 years?
@sag:
Then there's T-bone, ohm with his pup, uhmm and mr1 though he isn't really a propper swordman. To be fair, I get the feeling that swormanship goes beyond bushido in the OP world, which seems to be what you're pointing at.
What about Zoro's teacher, Johny, Yosaku, Onigumo, Doberman, Momonga.
I wasn't really trying to remember all of them, lol, definitely T-bone, wouldn't really count Ohm due to his cloud-sword thing and since he doesn't have the same swordsmanship-pride going on…
of course Zoro's teacher but he was never seen doing things, sure he's of the same swordsman class! Wouldn't count any of the VAs you've listed though, and neither Johnny nor Yosaku. Just my view.
And definitely not Law. People've said it before - carrying a sword is NOT the same as being "a swordsman". That category is pretty distinct in the OPverse and all proper swordsman have a distinctive trait of taking pride in being one, Law however has one and uses it - but it's to aid his fruit. He didn't cut the ship or any other thing for that matter with his sword, but with his fruit. There wasn't a single time when we've seen him send out slashes with his sword and I don't think we even need to, it's pretty clear that it's his fruits doing.
And definitely not Law. People've said it before - carrying a sword is NOT the same as being "a swordsman". That category is pretty distinct in the OPverse and all proper swordsman have a distinctive trait of taking pride in being one, Law however has one and uses it - but it's to aid his fruit. He didn't cut the ship or any other thing for that matter with his sword, but with his fruit. There wasn't a single time when we've seen him send out slashes with his sword and I don't think we even need to, it's pretty clear that it's his fruits doing.
Really think your ignoring what he's doing with a sword and saying he's just using a blade
even in the page when he swaps hearts of the strawhats he's doing a thrusting move with his katana
i do not deny he is using df but i can clearly see him using swordman skills at the same time
he is not simply carrying a sword
mihawk swung his sword and cut mountains of ice without sending a slash towards it
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Law is a Docter 1st
Ability user 2nd
With Expert Swordsmanship 3rd.
and Maybe a Haki user 4th.
Could he be a Swordsman, Like Mihawk, Zoro, Shanks, Rayliegh, and vista… I doubt it.
His just a good fighter.
Really think your ignoring what he's doing with a sword and saying he's just using a blade
even in the page when he swaps hearts of the strawhats he's doing a thrusting move with his katanai do not deny he is using df but i can clearly see him using swordman skills at the same time
he is not simply carrying a sword
mihawk swung his sword and cut mountains of ice without sending a slash towards it
I get the gist of what you're saying but I genuinely can't consider him a swordsman if only for the fact that he uses his sword in combination with his devil fruit, plus that he's not got the whole "i'm a swordsman and must defeat other swordsmen to pride my swordsmanship" thing going.
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Law's rival is Luffy. They're both Captains, both have fought together and one has saved the life of the other. Zoro has no business with Law whatsoever.
Law's rival is Luffy. They're both Captains, both have fought together and one has saved the life of the other. Zoro has no business with Law whatsoever.
He has no business with him so that means he can't fight him? I agree, Zoro probably won't fight Law (maybe he will hit him one or two times), but just because they haven't interacted it doesn't mean they can't fight.
Law and WB use weapons to strengthen their abillity, they use it against others who have weapons but they use their abillity mostly
wait wait wait guys. I think I'm seeing a pattern here that might be a misconception at least from my point of view.
I agree that carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman; what makes a character a swordsman is his abilities with said sword. Bear with me a sec I promise to be fully prepared.
Let's compare Ohm once again with Kizaru, or with spandam if you prefere. Why would I discriminate Ohm as a swordman and not spandam?. The answer is easy, its the concept. Having a sword that has abilities does not take swordsmanship away from the character. Conversely, having a sword with abilities i.e Frankfreet (the elephant) would not make you a swordsman. Ohm was a master swordsman, with his "sword", of course the sword was a cloud sword and the things it could do and not differs from an adamantine an iron or steel sword but its effectiveness in attack is given by virtue and prowess of its wielder and not by the sword alone. The exact opposite happened with "swordelephant" who/which was doing everything spandam asked for, while the latter was just bossing him around, thing that I wouldn't considere skill or ability. Now, Kizaru and Aokiji might seem tricky but they're actually quite simple from this point of view as they weren't wielding swords. Instead they used a determined skill of their ability that enabled them to turn their chief element into a swordlike item; at least from my perspective a swordlike item =/= Specialized sword (kumo sword). Now, the way they sparred with it wasn't to be taken lightly. Swordsmanship is the ability not the item, and the ability lives within the character. I didn't see kizaru begging for his life against Reighley and he was using his "swordsmanship" with a swordlike item. My point is Swordsmanship relies in ability and not in the item. There is also a misconception that swords have to be of a determined form or shape which its a bit narrowminded in my view; as a swordsman should be proficient with bladed objects within a certain range of wideness and size. Call it a family if you will. Fencing is a type of swordsmanship yet that kind of sword is no where near a Katana. I hope I was able to explain myself well enough, feel free to answer and debate my view as I would gladly keep this interesting topic burning. (at least until the new chappy comes:ninja:)
By the way, high caliber swords will always be a better fit for high class swordsmen that's just logical
@sag:
wait wait wait guys. I think I'm seeing a pattern here that might be a misconception at least from my point of view.
I agree that carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman; what makes a character a swordsman is his abilities with said sword. Bear with me a sec I promise to be fully prepared.
Let's compare Ohm once again with Kizaru, or with spandam if you prefere. Why would I discriminate Ohm as a swordman and not spandam?. The answer is easy, its the concept. Having a sword that has abilities does not take swordsmanship away from the character. Conversely, having a sword with abilities i.e Frankfreet (the elephant) would not make you a swordsman. Ohm was a master swordsman, with his "sword", of course the sword was a cloud sword and the things it could do and not differs from an adamantine an iron or steel sword but its effectiveness in attack is given by virtue and prowess of its wielder and not by the sword alone. The exact opposite happened with "swordelephant" who/which was doing everything spandam asked for, while the latter was just bossing him around, thing that I wouldn't considere skill or ability. Now, Kizaru and Aokiji might seem tricky but they're actually quite simple from this point of view as they weren't wielding swords. Instead they used a determined skill of their ability that enabled them to turn their chief element into a swordlike item; at least from my perspective a swordlike item =/= Specialized sword (kumo sword). Now, the way they sparred with it wasn't to be taken lightly. Swordsmanship is the ability not the item, and the ability lives within the character. I didn't see kizaru begging for his life against Reighley and he was using his "swordsmanship" with a swordlike item. My point is Swordsmanship relies in ability and not in the item. There is also a misconception that swords have to be of a determined form or shape which its a bit narrowminded in my view; as a swordsman should be proficient with bladed objects within a certain range of wideness and size. Call it a family if you will. Fencing is a type of swordsmanship yet that kind of sword is no where near a Katana. I hope I was able to explain myself well enough, feel free to answer and debate my view as I would gladly keep this interesting topic burning. (at least until the new chappy comes:ninja:)
By the way, high caliber swords will always be a better fit for high class swordsmen that's just logical
I do agree with that and will even conform to seeing Ohm as a "swordsman", but not Law. Definitely not Law. Of course being a swordsman has to do with the ability and not the item, that much is clear. However, even being very proficient with a sword-like item or any bladed weapon for that matter, is not yet enough to make you a proper swordsman in the way this image is set up in One Piece. It's basically a lifestyle combined with extreme prowess. To take pride in your abilities and hone your skills to get stronger and eventually reach the top, defeating other swordsmen - to become the best in what you're best at.
I would say that he shouln't be considered a swordsmen normally but,
Law called himself such here:
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I would say that he shouln't be considered a swordsmen normally but,
Law called himself such here:
Are you reading this properly? He never calls himself that. Try again.
I would say that he shouln't be considered a swordsmen normally but,
Law called himself such here:
Law just said that Tashigi isn't a decent swordman (in this case woman).
Edit: Ninja'd
I think your misunderstanding comes from the "man" in swordman, since Tashigi is a woman.
Are you reading this properly? He never calls himself that. Try again.
Yeah I just realized that he could have been referring to Tashigi.
But it's still pretty ambiguous, he may have been talking about himself too.
Tashigi asked him to kill her, and he responded by saying "performing such a trifle act makes a decent swordsmen?"
This trifle act could be Tashigi begging for her life, or Law killing her.
I think your misunderstanding comes from the "man" in swordman, since Tashigi is a woman.
No
he was mocking her pride as a swordsman (swordswoman if you wish)
I would say that he shouln't be considered a swordsmen normally but,
Law called himself such here:
I don't think that's an affirmation. Just that he seemed to be fully mocking her. He doesn't care about a swordmen code it seems or that sort of honor that seems a little more common among them.
Law I would still say is just using a physical weapon to enhance and widen the variety of his attacks. Swords also seem to be a fairly common weapon that anyone can pick up and weild without really having to have too much training. If Law was using a more complex physical weapon like a whip or a segemented sword, then I'd say he'd have to put forth the effort to learn it well enough to use. A sword seems to be the better choice because he uses that in addition to his fruit for slicing and separating. And it also gives him something to block and parry with. Which is probably why he doesn't use a gun although that appears to be another common weapon in the OP universe.
Law does seem to skilled with his sword, but I still wouldn't really classify him as a swordman just based off what we see from the characters that claim they are.
Just swinging and thrusting a sword around doesn't make someone a swordsman. At the very least Law probably has basic swordsmanship skills but he isn't considered a swordsman, his sword is just an extension of his DF abilites. If anything he would be a 'doctor' fighter type
Do spoilers always take this long? Thought I'd stay up a while for once but it's getting annoying.
I don't know what time it is where you are, but spoilers for me usually get posted around…3-4am, it is now 10:48pm. On that note, there has been so many posts saying there is and isn't a chapter this week I don't even know if I'm going to wait this week.
@nodensuke:
I don't know what time it is where you are, but spoilers for me usually get posted around…3-4am, it is now 10:48pm.
Seriously? Fuck that I'm in Europe and it's nearly 5am. Glad I'm on holiday and there's no lectures - sleeptime then. Normally the chapter comes out around noon or 1pm for me so I thought spoilers will be up hours before that… guess I was mistaken. Cheers, night night.
As for the whole "swordsman" thing… The sword that Law actually wields is a nodachi, not a katana. Nodachi were oversized swords that were infrequently used in actual battle. I wouldn't call Law a swordsman, at least not in the same capacity as Kaku or Hyozo.
I can't remember who said it earlier, they compared the way Law uses his sword the same way White Beard used his bisento, they use it mostly for their DF and to possibly counter an enemy with a weapon, I kind of see it that way.
We've only seen him use his sword along with his DF so far, that doesn't mean he's not skilled with it normally, once he fights someone who actually has strong enough haki to block his power completely he's going to just use the sword by itself..Or give up I guess…
Spoilers should be soon, right?
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@nodensuke:
We've only seen him use his sword along with his DF so far, that doesn't mean he's not skilled with it normally, once he fights someone who actually has strong enough haki to block his power completely he's going to just use the sword by itself..Or give up I guess…
Law's power is not just restricted to fucking with people's bodies. He can move anything within his 'room' so even if his body-cutting powers are blocked, one might end up with a ship falling on his head.
Does Law actually use the sword while cutting up people? I only recall seeing his hand movement when using Room.
He slashes them with his sword then he does f
the hand movements.
