just adding my 2 cents here, i think the main reason why kizaru is not that op is because altho he can travel at the speed of light he can't think at the speed of light
^This. I think that the most likely way Kizaru is going to get beaten is by someone who can think faster than him. So far, he's never been able to use his light-speed to dodge an attack, so someone who can move incredibly fast but not light-speed but has the mental quickness to make up for it could beat him.
Also, moving at the speed of light can also be considered a disadvantage if you can't think and react just as fast. You would lose control easily and end up on another galaxy or something. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, light can only move in a straight line, so Borsalino can't just circle around the world without making some quick breaks.
I don't believe he ever uses his DF fruit to travel long distances anyway. Remember when we first saw him? He was riding on a cannon ball.
But I do believe he can change direction when moving at the speed of light. Recall when he was fighting the supernovas.
I don't believe he ever uses his DF fruit to travel long distances anyway. Remember when we first saw him? He was riding on a cannon ball.
But I do believe he can change direction when moving at the speed of light. Recall when he was fighting the supernovas.
But noticed how he changed direction. It seemed he changed direction by bouncing off surfaces.
I don't believe he ever uses his DF fruit to travel long distances anyway. Remember when we first saw him? He was riding on a cannon ball.
But I do believe he can change direction when moving at the speed of light. Recall when he was fighting the supernovas.
He reflected himself off of the surfaces, so he's not truly changing his travel path at will. There's a reason why that move is named after a mirror.
If there's no surfaces around, he can only move in a straight line.
And how did this thread became about Kizaru, anyway?
i for one would like to see Luffy beat the fucking shit out of Kizaru, Kizaru is a little pussy.
i for one would like to see Luffy beat the fucking shit out of Kizaru, Kizaru is a little pussy.
Sanji would be a better opponent, because they both primarily fight with their legs. That's what I'm hoping for!
Sanji would be a better opponent, because they both primarily fight with their legs. That's what I'm hoping for!
Yup I agree. Sanji vs Kizaru, Zoro vs Mihawk and Luffy vs Akainu. Those sound like good match-ups when the Straw Hats go to war against the World Government.
in my opinion kizaru has probably one of the 5 most potent devil fruits that we will ever see, his only real weakness is that he's rather stupid.
Veni, Vedi, Vici.
in my opinion kizaru has probably one of the 5 most potent devil fruits that we will ever see, his only real weakness is that he's rather stupid.
I don't think he's really stupid, because I don't think he would've made Admiral if he was; he's just…slow. And I think his downfall is going to revolve around him only being able to travel in a straight line in light form. He can bounce off things in light form to change directions, but, otherwise he can't travel outside a straight line.
That...or Blackbeard is going to use "Blackhole" on him, and Oda will play on the whole "not even light can escape a blackhole" science.
What I love about One Piece is that it isn't strict power levels. Some abilities do better against others, and some overpowered abilities are given to people who don't abuse them. Mr. 3 stood a better change against Magellan than Luffy because of his fruit. Was he stronger than Luffy or Magellan? No, however his ability gave him a better shot at survival.
On the topic of Kizaru, remember during the war when he sniped the key to Ace's cuffs? That could have been Luffy or Ace's head. Kizaru is "gray-area justice". If it was Akainu, he would have sniped both of them in the head. If it was Aokiji, probably a shot at the platform to simply knock Luffy off of it. However Kizaru took that middle chance, he shot at the key, leaving Ace still stuck, Luffy still having a chance, and Sengoku having the opportunity to kill them.
Does Kizaru have an overpowered ability? Hell yes. Is he at the very top tier as far as characters go? Not at the very top because it's not in his personality.
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I don't think he's really stupid, because I don't think he would've made Admiral if he was; he's just…slow. And I think his downfall is going to revolve around him only being able to travel in a straight line in light form. He can bounce off things in light form to change directions, but, otherwise he can't travel outside a straight line.
That...or Blackbeard is going to use "Blackhole" on him, and Oda will play on the whole "not even light can escape a blackhole" science.
true, but lasers will still rocket through blackbeard like a knife through warm butter. @ kizaru turning his entire body into light and becoming a giant laser. or a new vice-admiral/rear-admiral with a mirror mirror fruit too back him up. also "slow" was where i was getting at, stupid was exagerated. I do think however that it shows in his movements, however strong rayleigh was in his prime, to stop a current admiral so easily shouldn't be legit. I doubt he was all that serious against a bunch of rookies just before, nonetheless…
Veni, Vedi, Vici.
true, but lasers will still rocket through blackbeard like a knife through warm butter. @ kizaru turning his entire body into light and becoming a giant laser. or a new vice-admiral/rear-admiral with a mirror mirror fruit too back him up. also "slow" was where i was getting at, stupid was exagerated. I do think however that it shows in his movements, however strong rayleigh was in his prime, to stop a current admiral so easily shouldn't be legit. I doubt he was all that serious against a bunch of rookies just before, nonetheless…
If an Admiral needs someone to support him/her (i.e. Vice Admiral) in order for him/her to win (i.e. overcome a moderate/major weakness), he/she isn't a very good Admiral. Also, don't forget, Blackbeard more than likely has become much stronger post-timeskip. Though maybe Kizaru has too, though I find it somewhat unlikely.
What I love about One Piece is that it isn't strict power levels. Some abilities do better against others, and some overpowered abilities are given to people who don't abuse them. Mr. 3 stood a better change against Magellan than Luffy because of his fruit. Was he stronger than Luffy or Magellan? No, however his ability gave him a better shot at survival.
On the topic of Kizaru, remember during the war when he sniped the key to Ace's cuffs? That could have been Luffy or Ace's head. Kizaru is "gray-area justice". If it was Akainu, he would have sniped both of them in the head. If it was Aokiji, probably a shot at the platform to simply knock Luffy off of it. However Kizaru took that middle chance, he shot at the key, leaving Ace still stuck, Luffy still having a chance, and Sengoku having the opportunity to kill them.
Does Kizaru have an overpowered ability? Hell yes. Is he at the very top tier as far as characters go? Not at the very top because it's not in his personality.
Can I just say that I love this explanation? Seriously, this is how I felt about that situation too!
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If an Admiral needs someone to support him/her (i.e. Vice Admiral) in order for him/her to win (i.e. overcome a moderate/major weakness), he/she isn't a very good Admiral. Also, don't forget, Blackbeard more than likely has become much stronger post-timeskip. Though maybe Kizaru has too, though I find it somewhat unlikely.
Why cant an admiral get help? akainu wouldnt have taken whitebeard down without tons of marine's help. Kizaru wouldnt have been able to beat Marco without that vice admoral putting seastone handcuffs on him. Who says that Admirals dont need help.
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I don't think he's really stupid, because I don't think he would've made Admiral if he was; he's just…slow. And I think his downfall is going to revolve around him only being able to travel in a straight line in light form. He can bounce off things in light form to change directions, but, otherwise he can't travel outside a straight line.
The Straw Hats just need to set up a chain of mirrors leading straight to the ocean, and lure Kizaru onto the first one. 
The Straw Hats just need to set up a chain of mirrors leading straight to the ocean, and lure Kizaru onto the first one.
Lol that would be a very funny thing too see. But nah I like Kizaru I don't think he'll do much SH hunting, that will be Akainu because he will still be emo-ing over not killing Luffy at Marineford like he so proudly declared he would.
Lol that would be a very funny thing too see. But nah I like Kizaru I don't think he'll do much SH hunting, that will be Akainu because he will still be emo-ing over not killing Luffy at Marineford like he so proudly declared he would.
hahahah if he were to fall for this, that would make for quite a bittersweet way of dying. btw by the logic of who can be drowned or not then Aokiji and Akainu would be considered more powerful than kizaru. I mean it has been shown cristal clear that there's no way to drown Aokiji unless he's asleep or unconcious. And regarding akainu I can see him solidifying magma under his feet to avoid being drowned. So yeah, if we're speaking about who gets to survive better in the sea, I would give Aokiji that honor… the dude cycles on it:ninja:
Kizaru would jist reflect/bounce of the water. So no I still think his devil fruit is OP in that sense as well.
The week I decide to catch up from being about 30 chapters behind Law comes back in a big way (well not technically this week but still). Fun stuff. I always forget how amazing this series is whenever I take breaks from it.
i wonder if the ice breaks or melts will his heart return to his body? i really look forward for the next chapter
i wonder if the ice breaks or melts will his heart return to his body? i really look forward for the next chapter
It is no iceblock, someone pointed out that the block is wobbling, like jelly (when you zoom in you can see the "wobble-lines"…lol).
We will see what happens next chapter. Either Smoker gives Law a U-turn (turns heart to smoke and returns it to his body) or Oda really sacrificed him to give Law an epic entry. (wouldn't surprise me, VA's are Oda's standard tool to let others look strong by completely humiliating them - Kaizeruhige/Doflamingo, Hancock/Momonga, Whitebeard/ 2 giant VA's etc)
It is no iceblock, someone pointed out that the block is wobbling, like jelly (when you zoom in you can see the "wobble-lines"…lol).
We will see what happens next chapter. Either Smoker gives Law a U-turn (turns heart to smoke and returns it to his body) or Oda really sacrificed him to give Law an epic entry. (wouldn't surprise me, VA's are Oda's standard tool to let others look strong by completely humiliating them - Kaizeruhige/Doflamingo, Hancock/Momonga, Whitebeard/ 2 giant VA's etc)
Nah… I dont think that he will sacrifice Someone that even luffy would save...Besides he is the (at least for now) the only one that chases luffy and the only one that trully knows what luffy is capable of...I wait for his epic return...Gelly?:D wonder if vegapunk emerges to stop the fight 
It is no iceblock, someone pointed out that the block is wobbling, like jelly (when you zoom in you can see the "wobble-lines"…lol).
We will see what happens next chapter. Either Smoker gives Law a U-turn (turns heart to smoke and returns it to his body) or Oda really sacrificed him to give Law an epic entry. (wouldn't surprise me, VA's are Oda's standard tool to let others look strong by completely humiliating them - Kaizeruhige/Doflamingo, Hancock/Momonga, Whitebeard/ 2 giant VA's etc)
Getting beaten by the world's strongest man is far from humiliating. Also, Momonga was shown to be clever enough to handle the situation he was put into (which was
n't that easy).
Wasn't Doflamingo playing with Mozanbia? Kaiser/Stainless only defended himself or something.
Also, I doubt this fight is over. Wait for the next chapter, then we'll see.
Nah… I dont think that he will sacrifice Someone that even luffy would save...Besides he is the (at least for now) the only one that chases luffy and the only one that trully knows what luffy is capable of...I wait for his epic return...Gelly?:D wonder if vegapunk emerges to stop the fight
Smoker isn't the only one that knows what Luffy is capable of. I'm pretty sure multiple marines know of his capabilities quite well. Especially after the Whitebeard War.
Smoker isn't the only one that knows what Luffy is capable of. I'm pretty sure multiple marines know of his capabilities quite well. Especially after the Whitebeard War.
Power-wise, yeah.
But none of the marines have as personal a relationship with Luffy, besides Coby and Garp.
I guess if Coby comes back in a big way, Smoker's character will be less necessary.
But I still don't think that Smoker's run is over just yet.
so tomorrow a new chappy!!! can't wait until it comes…. what will Luffy do. I was re-reading Allabasta by chance and I noticed that Luffy has always been in good terms with Tashigi (She has always either supported him or just been completely ignored. i.e Marineford), and he has some kind of "respect and appreciation" toward Smoker. On the other hand Law saved Luffy's life! In short, this might be the first situation in which people who have had a gray zone relationship with Luffy are against one another. I'm uber curious to know what standpoint will luffy take; I would presume at the beginning he would be friendly to Law, and unless the latter attacks him directly he wouldn't do much. However, if law refuses to switch his crew's personality back I can see Luffy wanting to kick Laws butt up to the moon. So yeah, I'm full of anticipation.
The fact that law's power gives him the ability to cut and replace without inflicting damage makes him that much scarier. The impression Law gives when he stares at someone is, " I can make you beg for your life and I don't even need to injure you". Which in my eyes makes his character that much amusing. He's like a boy and his lego; just that you are part of that lego if you enter his room.:blink:
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so tomorrow a new chappy!!! can't wait until it comes…. what will Luffy do. I was re-reading Allabasta by chance and I noticed that Luffy has always been in good terms with Tashigi (She has always either supported him or just been completely ignored. i.e Marineford), and he has some kind of "respect and appreciation" toward Smoker. On the other hand Law saved Luffy's life! In short, this might be the first situation in which people who have had a gray zone relationship with Luffy are against one another. I'm uber curious to know what standpoint will luffy take; I would presume at the beginning he would be friendly to Law, and unless the latter attacks him directly he wouldn't do much. However, if law refuses to switch his crew's personality back I can see Luffy wanting to kick Laws butt up to the moon. So yeah, I'm full of anticipation.
The fact that law's power gives him the ability to cut and replace without inflicting damage makes him that much scarier. The impression Law gives when he stares at someone is, " I can make you beg for your life and I don't even need to injure you". Which in my eyes makes his character that much amusing. He's like a boy and his lego; just that you are part of that lego if you enter his room.:blink:
That has to be the coolest way to picture Law, just a random sadistical killer playing with his lego. :ninja:
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so tomorrow a new chappy!!! can't wait until it comes…. what will Luffy do. I was re-reading Allabasta by chance and I noticed that Luffy has always been in good terms with Tashigi (She has always either supported him or just been completely ignored. i.e Marineford), and he has some kind of "respect and appreciation" toward Smoker. On the other hand Law saved Luffy's life! In short, this might be the first situation in which people who have had a gray zone relationship with Luffy are against one another. I'm uber curious to know what standpoint will luffy take; I would presume at the beginning he would be friendly to Law, and unless the latter attacks him directly he wouldn't do much. However, if law refuses to switch his crew's personality back I can see Luffy wanting to kick Laws butt up to the moon. So yeah, I'm full of anticipation.
The fact that law's power gives him the ability to cut and replace without inflicting damage makes him that much scarier. The impression Law gives when he stares at someone is, " I can make you beg for your life and I don't even need to injure you". Which in my eyes makes his character that much amusing. He's like a boy and his lego; just that you are part of that lego if you enter his room.:blink:
i think we are getting the next chapter on 18th there is no chapter this week i think not sure though
i think we are getting the next chapter on 18th there is no chapter this week i think not sure though
It should be coming out within a day or so.
Dun. Dun. Dunnnn 
Just a question…Are the supernova now at Vice-admiral level?Since the fight between Law and Smoker was evenly matched...I guess he is new VA but hey he is a vice admiral so we can put them at the same level..I Wonder what we will see tomorrow....
Just a question…Are the supernova now at Vice-admiral level?Since the fight between Law and Smoker was evenly matched...I guess he is new VA but hey he is a vice admiral so we can put them at the same level..I Wonder what we will see tomorrow....
Well it depends on the supernova, they're all on their own different levels. Its probably safe to say that Kid and Drake are up there near or above the VA level since they both have the balls to try to piss off a yonkou.
Well it depends on the supernova, they're all on their own different levels. Its probably safe to say that Kid and Drake are up there near or above the VA level since they both have the balls to try to piss off a yonkou.
I'm pretty sure that Zoan's will shine in the New World, after all they scale best with the users strength. Pekoms was a first taste, Drake will prove the power of a mastered Zoan (Marco doesn't count, Mythical is hax-level).
Vice admirals are not all the same levels either Smoker is a new vice admiral but Garp is a old one and is at least admiral level now and was stronger in his prime! :blink:
I'm pretty sure that Zoan's will shine in the New World, after all they scale best with the users strength. Pekoms was a first taste, Drake will prove the power of a mastered Zoan (Marco doesn't count, Mythical is hax-level).
Agreed, CoA Haki + Zoan type fighters will probably be some of the top tier fighters in the New World. lol mythical zoans are indeed hax but I would love to see a mythical unicorn type zoan though…firing out rainbow laser beams and sparkles.
Also Lucci NEEDS to go to the New World and kick some ass.
Put aside the fact that "power levels" are more or less non-existant in One Piece (Garp as a Vice-Admiral is (probably) as strong as the Admirals from 2 years ago, the Supernovas might have huge power level differences, too). The fight between Law and Smoker was, imho, not even close to being evenly matched. Law was able to dodge more or less every attack, and then defeated Smoker with a single hit.
I wasn't really suprised, because I saw Smoker through the whole series as someone who relies so much on his Logia-invincibility to dominate his enemies, that, once he met someone who can hit him, he will have a really hard time. As an aside, I don't think Smoker stands a chance against Luffy either, and I guess he would have lost clearly against Luffy in Logue Town if he wasn't intangible at that time.
If Law draws his sword against the strawhats
i will gurantee Zoro vs Law
Like Arlong has drawn his sword against Luffy? OK Zoro was far away… but seriously... No one will fight Law instead of Luffy
A final confrontation could be between Luffy and Law, but I don't see why Zoro couldn't at least make an attempt before hand. But since Law doesn't really strike me as a "swordsman" I can could also see Zoro having no real interest in fighting him unless necessary.
Law is anything but a sword user, sword is aid to his power which is to operate. Like kid: tons of swords/guns, brute force fight, basil: doesn't seem to use his sword for anything but design, urouge uses his fist when it get's serious. They all seem to not want to use their swords because they aren't swordmen.
He managed to cut Tashigi. He fought competantly against Smoker with just his sword. He is a swordsman, who also uses the sword as a tool for his devilfruit powers.
He managed to cut Tashigi. He fought competantly against Smoker with just his sword. He is a swordsman, who also uses the sword as a tool for his devilfruit powers.
And that's why his final attack against Smoker hasn't any sword ability in it… Same for his biggest feat flipping the ship.
I'm pretty sure I'mnot alone in think that something REALLY big will happen in chapter 666.
one swing of his sword and he cut that ship to pieces
Yeah awesome. One flip with his finger turning this shit and one piercing through Smoker without sword.
And that's why his final attack against Smoker hasn't any sword ability in it… Same for his biggest feat flipping the ship.
Epic avatar. Wished the frame would be tad thinner.
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I'm not sure if we can regard Law as a swordsman. It seems more like a "means to an end" thing, like Kizaru and Aokiji use "swords" as a weapon, but are not really swordsmen. At least not in the Mihawk/Zoro "way of the sword mumbo jumbo hocus pocus" sense.
Yeah awesome. One flip with his finger turning this shit and one piercing through Smoker without sword.
not denying he's skillful without his sword but the things he does with his sword are on par with the better swordmen abilities we've seen so far
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not denying he's skillful without his sword but the things he does with his sword are on par with the better swordmen abilities we've seen so far
That doesn't make him a swordsman… But wait... people are thinking KiZaru is a swordsman as well... even if he never used it in the biggest war ever
