Nice pic who takes the straw hats poster pics? I never see anyone in the background with a camera
It's Attachan, who takes all the wanted poster pictures. He's just very sneaky so you can never see him.
Nice pic who takes the straw hats poster pics? I never see anyone in the background with a camera
It's Attachan, who takes all the wanted poster pictures. He's just very sneaky so you can never see him.
This is true. I was very disappointed with Mihawk in the war.
I think people overrate Mihawk.
First, just because he is the world's strongest swordsman, that doesn't mean he is be able to OHKO every single swordsman in the One Piece world. Vista must be, at least, among the top 10 swordsman in the OP universe, which means that he should be very capable of giving Mihawk a run for his money. Of course, if their fight had dragged out, Mihawk would definitely have won (he is the world's strongest swordsman, after all), but the thing is that they had other stuff to worry about so they decided to put their match to a hold.
Second, and most importantly, I feel like people put Mihawk on the same level as admirals or even Yonko - some people even say he is stronger than Shanks, because "Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, so Mihawk > Shanks". This is wrong people.
Let me explain it better - when it comes to swordsmanship, there are three types of character:
I have no doubts that Mihawk is probably a better swordsman than Kizaru or Shanks, for example. The thing is that there is much more to their fighting power than just using a sword, which means that if they were to fight, we couldn't just assume that Mihawk would win just because he is a better swordsman. I think a lot of people tend to forget that swordsmanship is just a fighting style - granted, a very important one in the One Piece world, but still only a fighting style. Sniping, for example, is also a fighting style - and do you think that being the world's strongest sniper makes one stronger than every single character who is capable of using a gun? I doubt anyone here would say that Yasopp (who is probably the world's best sniper) is stronger than Blackbeard (who we've seen using a gun) just because he is a better sniper - once again, because there is much more to Blackbeard's power than just using a pistol.
That being said, I do agree that Mihawk is one of the strongest characters in One Piece. I just don't think he is as strong as some people seem to believe he is, and he most definitely is not stronger than someone like Shanks - he is just a better swordsman.
I see Garp, Dragon… and is that female Hancock? I honestly can't tell.
I see Garp, Dragon… and is that female Hancock? I honestly can't tell.
it's ace.
16 chars
Oh, too funny.
I honestly thought it was a female xD
Oh boy.
I think people overrate Mihawk.
First, just because he is the world's strongest swordsman, that doesn't mean he is be able to OHKO every single swordsman in the One Piece world. Vista must be, at least, among the top 10 swordsman in the OP universe, which means that he should be very capable of giving Mihawk a run for his money. Of course, if their fight had dragged out, Mihawk would definitely have won (he is the world's strongest swordsman, after all), but the thing is that they had other stuff to worry about so they decided to put their match to a hold.
Second, and most importantly, I feel like people put Mihawk on the same level as admirals or even Yonko - some people even say he is stronger than Shanks, because "Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, so Mihawk > Shanks". This is wrong people.
Let me explain it better - when it comes to swordsmanship, there are three types of character:
- the ones that cannot use a sword at all, i.e. Luffy;
- the ones who can use a sword but whose power doesn't directly come (or doesn't come exclusively) from their swordsmanship, i.e. Kizaru, Marco, Shanks;
- the ones whose swordsmanship is the main source of their power and who rely only on this fighting style, i.e. Mihawk, Zoro.
I have no doubts that Mihawk is probably a better swordsman than Kizaru or Shanks, for example. The thing is that there is much more to their fighting power than just using a sword, which means that if they were to fight, we couldn't just assume that Mihawk would win just because he is a better swordsman. I think a lot of people tend to forget that swordsmanship is just a fighting style - granted, a very important one in the One Piece world, but still only a fighting style. Sniping, for example, is also a fighting style - and do you think that being the world's strongest sniper makes one stronger than every single character who is capable of using a gun? I doubt anyone here would say that Yasopp (who is probably the world's best sniper) is stronger than Blackbeard (who we've seen using a gun) just because he is a better sniper - once again, because there is much more to Blackbeard's power than just using a pistol.
That being said, I do agree that Mihawk is one of the strongest characters in One Piece. I just don't think he is as strong as some people seem to believe he is, and he most definitely is not stronger than someone like Shanks - he is just a better swordsman.
I definitely disagree with that saying Mihawk isn't stronger then shanks it's said in the past the when the both used to duel with one another most of the time it ended in a draw this was the time shanks had both arms now that he lost an arm I don't think he could win against Mihawk I do believe Mihawk is on the level of yonko and I also think he can go head to head with admirals.
@nodensuke:
I know the info has been talked about a lot, but to clear up any confusion here's a larger clearer version of the newspaper.
[qimg]http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30200000/Mugiwara-Newspaper-one-piece-30250479-1487-682.png[/qimg]
Can't we let this die…seriously?
*waits for more people to post before they read...
I definitely disagree with that saying Mihawk isn't stronger then shanks it's said in the past the when the both used to duel with one another most of the time it ended in a draw this was the time shanks had both arms now that he lost an arm I don't think he could win against Mihawk I do believe Mihawk is on the level of yonko and I also think he can go head to head with admirals.
The things is, those were probably swordsmanship duels which happened when they were still both rookies. Once Shanks lost his arm, Mihawk lost interest in him because he didn't want to fight a one armed swordsman (even though it is said in the manga that Shanks power didn't go down a bit). However, in the present, Shanks power doesn't come exclusively from his swordsmanship anymore.
Moriah was also said to have fought on par with Kaido - would you say that they are on the same level now?
Let me give you another example to make things more clear about my previous post: we have seen Whitebeard using a bisento. Now, I think we can assume that Whitebeard was pretty skillful at using it. But now lets say that a better user of a bisento just showed up in the manga. Would you say he would be stronger than Whitebeard? What about the tremor-tremor fruit?
I definitely disagree with that saying Mihawk isn't stronger then shanks it's said in the past the when the both used to duel with one another most of the time it ended in a draw this was the time shanks had both arms now that he lost an arm I don't think he could win against Mihawk I do believe Mihawk is on the level of yonko and I also think he can go head to head with admirals.
I thought it was said that even after losing his arm Shanks could still fight on the same page as Mihawk. I'm inclined to believe that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk given his rank first and foremost, and secondly because Shanks ended the war with the mere threat of violence against the marines. Mihawk wasn't about to fight Shanks clearly and he outright stated "Fighting Shanks wasn't part of the deal." This could be because they're friends yes, or because fighting Shanks wasn't part of the deal, or because Mihawk knew he wouldn't be able to take him without getting seriously hurt.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking Mihawk as he is one of my favorite characters. I just haven't seen much from him to indicate that he's balls to the walls like a lot of people think he is.
The things is, those were probably swordsmanship duels which happened when they were still both rookies. Once Shanks lost his arm, Mihawk lost interest in him because he didn't want to fight a one armed swordsman (even though it is said in the manga that Shanks power didn't go down a bit). However, in the present, Shanks power doesn't come exclusively from his swordsmanship anymore.
Moriah was also said to have fought on par with Kaido - would you say that they are on the same level now?
Let me give you another example to make things more clear about my previous post: we have seen Whitebeard using a bisento. Now, I think we can assume that Whitebeard was pretty skillful at using it. But now lets say that a better user of a bisento just showed up in the manga. Would you say he would be stronger than Whitebeard? What about the tremor-tremor fruit?
That's a good point with whitebeard I didn't think of it like that but the Mihawk and shanks discussion. I'm still sticking with Mihawk the reason I say that is because before the war kicked off Mihawk acknowledged whitebeards strength and said he just wants to know the difference between them I think that's hinting that maybe their close in strength or even of he's still training himself to be on whitebeards level? I don't know just things that come to my mind
Late to the party, but now that things are calmer. . .
Wow. Oda actually gave me what I asked for, and even MORE. I seriously was caught off-guard with their fight being fully shown. How I missed the good ol One Piece fights, and man was it good. Totally worth it. The conclusion was totally unexpected and I'm 100% hyped for what's to come, too bad there's a break this week, but Oda deserves this and more.
So far, this arc is incredible. One Piece at its best again.
Moria being on par with Kaido doesn't equal to getting your entire crew wiped out by him. I really that was just an overestimation of moria, like saying Arlong was Jimbei's equal.
What other abilities does Shanks have other than his swordsmanship? Even if he does uses haki it would just be an extension to his swordsmanship rather than an entirely separate ability like a DF. Just in my opinion, in terms of authority and threat, Shanks outclasses Mihawk since he is a Yonkou after all and also commands a powerful crew where Mihawk is just by himself. But in terms of actual swordsmanship Mihawk outclasses Shanks.
Moria being on par with Kaido doesn't equal to getting your entire crew wiped out by him. I really that was just an overestimation of moria, like saying Arlong was Jimbei's equal.
What other abilities does Shanks have other than his swordsmanship? Even if he does uses haki it would just be an extension to his swordsmanship rather than an entirely separate ability like a DF. Just in my opinion, in terms of authority and threat, Shanks outclasses Mihawk since he is a Yonkou after all and also commands a powerful crew where Mihawk is just by himself. But in terms of actual swordsmanship Mihawk outclasses Shanks.
My thoughts exactly how much haki could shanks have to completely overpower Mihawk?
I definitely disagree with that saying Mihawk isn't stronger then shanks it's said in the past the when the both used to duel with one another most of the time it ended in a draw this was the time shanks had both arms now that he lost an arm I don't think he could win against Mihawk I do believe Mihawk is on the level of yonko and I also think he can go head to head with admirals.
Besides, we still don't know how he joined the Schibukai and his bounty. Other fans have noticed: Prime rayleigh used to wear the same cloth as mihawk in the present.
They have the same motif in the shirt collar, outer coat is completely black, and their chest is exposed. We know Oda loves to slip little details that will be important. Therefore, I think Mihawk defeated Rayleigh in order be invited as a Schibukai. It will probably add even more hype to Zoro vs Mihawk.
I think Shanks and Mihawk are still equals. However, I think the Yonku title is more about teamwork than individula strenght. I figured that out when WB had a complete trust in Jozu and Marco when Mihawk and Kizaru attacked him.
Moria being on par with Kaido doesn't equal to getting your entire crew wiped out by him. I really that was just an overestimation of moria, like saying Arlong was Jimbei's equal.
What other abilities does Shanks have other than his swordsmanship? Even if he does uses haki it would just be an extension to his swordsmanship rather than an entirely separate ability like a DF. Just in my opinion, in terms of authority and threat, Shanks outclasses Mihawk since he is a Yonkou after all and also commands a powerful crew where Mihawk is just by himself. But in terms of actual swordsmanship Mihawk outclasses Shanks.
I'd agree with you, having a crew of super strong allies is also what makes you a Yonkou, Mihawks a loner, and until we see Shanks fight with something besides a sword Mihawk holding that title would only leave reason to believe he's stronger
People seem to misunderstand being stronger then someone akainu was stronger than aokiji but they still fought for ten days with one barley winning, an all out shanks vs mihawk fight would be extremely brutal and intense and no doubt cause massive damage
the one thing I don't agree with is the Kaidou thing, obviously Kaidou was stronger then moria but that doesn't mean he completely out classed moria, the arlong thing was way back in the day, Oda didn't have any idea how long the series would run, Kaidou also had a crew himself I'm sure it's not like we can assume he single handedly destroyed Moria's crew, his crew probably helped him out
EDIT: Scratch that wasn't the jinbei and arlong thing about their rank in the fishmen prates???
Mihawk went toe to toe with Vista in the war. The same Vista who got horribly beaten by Akainu.
If Mihawk truly was stronger than an admiral it should've been cake for him to beat Vista.OT.
Hope we get some Doctor to Doctor dialogue between Chopper and Law in the upcoming chapters.
We never had any real Doctor conversation between Chopper and Hogback back at TB, would be nice if Oda doesn't skip this opportunity.
Uh, I think you're confusing Vista with Curiel.
LOL! sanji is never going to get an awesome bounty poster. Maybe untill the very end of the series
Uh, I think you're confusing Vista with Curiel.
Wasnt Curiel the one who fought Moriah in the war
I've said it before in the past and I'll say it again.
Its not Mihawk that's overrated.
Its The "individual Yonkou" Captain that are overrated.
The difference between each of the Yonkou "captain" might be vast. Like how its between Whitebeard and Shanks.
Shanks was hurt by Blackbeard(who didn't have anyone devil fruit), He even goes as far as to say he was Serious and didn't have his guard down. While Whitebeard Humiliates BB like his a Child on the verge of death.
The difference Between Shanks and Kaido might be vast as well that's why Shanks was able to get past him rather quickly and that's why Kaido is being compared to Moria. What makes Kaido a Yonkou is His Crew and Allies.
Theirs a HUGE GAP Between Yonkou Whitebeard, + The Worlds Strongest Man" than the Rest of them.
Whitebeard Alone with his second Title Makes that huge jump in Strength/power.
The Worlds Strongest Man Title Separates Whitebeard From the Rest of the Yonkou.
Whitebeard cannot be used to Gauge the "Individual Strength of the Captains" Because they do not share the Title of the Worlds Strongest.
**Whitebeard(the Individual) had no equal During the War.**This alone is a HUGE GAP.
We have already been shown who shanks fights with and what his Strength Level is associated with.
Mihawk is a perfect example, They fought equally until Shanks lost his arm, which caused Mihawk to lose interest in fighting him. Mihawk Reigns as the Strongest Swordsman. Therefore He is Stronger than anyone who uses a sword as a fighting style.
Kuzan and Kizaru are NOT Swordsman. Just because they have expert swordsmanship does not make them a swordsman.
Bringing Haki into Shanks Fighting Style doesn't change anything. Mihawk has Haki too. It also doesn't change the fact that Haki is being used with a sword which would automatically gives Mihawk the Superiority as being the strongest Swordsman.
As for how Shanks or Mihawk would do against an Admiral, needs to be seen. I wouldn't put Anyone above an Admiral just because Whitebeard was able to beat one. Since he cannot be used to determine the "individual strength of the Yonkou".
However Sengoku was holding off Blackbeard(Blackbeard with 2 devil fruits) and his crew pretty well.And Akainu was Holding off The WB Commanders. Therefore I can say that, Admirals have the edge over anyone that's not Whitebeard.
My simple definition of why Mihawk is the greatest swordsman, even though Shanks is most likely stronger, is because he does aerial attacks and stuff. During the war he sent a strong slash toward Whitebeard, and then cut off an iceberg. Can Shanks do that, or Rayleigh, or do they simply use the sword as an accessory?
At least that's how I define him as a swordsman. No one has mastered more tricks with swords and stuff more than he has. I don't think he's on a level with a Yonkou. I find having a Yonkou level pirate in the marine HQ, sitting by their tables as a Shichibukai, kind of weird. And we know by his words that he doesn't consider himself as strong as Whitebeard.
Zoro creates tornadoes with his swords. He's coming up there.
Ever swordsman since Das Bones has been able to make their cuts fly. Not really, but everyone of importance seems to be able to do it.
Uh, I think you're confusing Vista with Curiel.
Wasnt Curiel the one who fought Moriah in the war
Yes but it was Curiel was seen burnt by Akainu, not Vista.
All we see of Vista vs Akainu is that Vista's blade goes through Akainu after he killed Ace but Akainu isn't injured due to being a logia, nor did we . So no, Vista did not loose spectaurlay to Akainu. It was a failed attack by Vista on Akainu we saw while Curiel got owned.
Like how its between Whitebeard and Shanks. Shanks was hurt by Blackbeard(who didn't have anyone devil fruit), He even goes as far as to say he was Serious and didn't have his guard down. While Whitebeard Humiliates BB like his a Child on the verge of death.
We don't know the exact sircumstances behind Shank's scar, and it's still just scar. We don't know if he was a Yonkou at the time. Whitebeard does speak of him in high praise, as a man of his stature lost an arm, but we don't know what he was back then.
The difference Between Shanks and Kaido might be vast as well that's why Shanks was able to get past him rather quickly and that's why Kaido is being compared to Moria. What makes Kaido a Yonkou is His Crew and Allies.
We don't know what happened between Kaido and Shanks. Did they even look like they had a battle? I think that from simply looking at Big Mom, she's quite simply a terrifying person, and we can assume Kaido is a man to hold his title well. He might have a strong crew and allies, if the leader himself doesn't stack up, at least against an admiral, it might crumble. Look at Whitebeard. The man's a beast. And the Goresei named Kaido as a man who can stop him, I think. And as it's been 10 years since Moria lost his crew, or 12, now, we could've either inreased in strength or decreased, or stayed the same.
**Whitebeard(the Individual) had no equal During the War.**This alone is a HUGE GAP.
He may be world's strongest, but that doesn't mean there must be a huge gap. Not like Akainu faltered at his attacks. I wouldn't think that Garp or Sengoku would be afraid to approach him.
We have already been shown who shanks fights with and what his Strength Level is associated with.
Mihawk is a perfect example, They fought equally until Shanks lost his arm, which caused Mihawk to lose interest in fighting him.
That was also many years ago. I think you're just downgrading Shanks way too much. Obviously we haven't seen too much, but the man marched into the war, prepared to fight against all of them, with a small crew.
We don't know the exact sircumstances behind Shank's scar, and it's still just scar. We don't know if he was a Yonkou at the time. Whitebeard does speak of him in high praise, as a man of his stature lost an arm, but we don't know what he was back then.
We don't know what happened between Kaido and Shanks. Did they even look like they had a battle? I think that from simply looking at Big Mom, she's quite simply a terrifying person, and we can assume Kaido is a man to hold his title well. He might have a strong crew and allies, if the leader himself doesn't stack up, at least against an admiral, it might crumble. Look at Whitebeard. The man's a beast. And the Goresei named Kaido as a man who can stop him, I think. And as it's been 10 years since Moria lost his crew, or 12, now, we could've either inreased in strength or decreased, or stayed the same.
He may be world's strongest, but that doesn't mean there must be a huge gap. Not like Akainu faltered at his attacks. I wouldn't think that Garp or Sengoku would be afraid to approach him.
That was also many years ago. I think you're just downgrading Shanks way too much. Obviously we haven't seen too much, but the man marched into the war, prepared to fight against all of them, with a small crew.
Like I said before People are Overrating the Yonkou "Title".
Yonkou is a Collected power, Which is given to a Individual because of his Collected power.
Whitebeard Praise's Shanks but also tells Shanks that his a 100 years too early to be acting like his equal. Shanks is a Worthy Man. Just that People overestimate him for ending a War which was in Chaos, Blocking Akainu's Attack, and Exchanging a Blow with Whitebeard.
Basically your argument is how Times have changed.
Until We see a the difference of that Strength they've gained as Individuals we don't know if they are stronger.
Mihawk is Stronger(than Shanks) unless Shown otherwise regardless of how long it's been. Being a Yonkou doesn't give the Individual Captain the Title of the Strongest. Which Mihawk currently Holds.
The Feats of Admirals so far shown outclass anyone thats not Whitebeard. Edit**:** Also am not downgradeing Shanks. Just trying to Clear the Misconceptions that many might have.
Could Shanks or Mihawk beat an Admiral? Sure, but That fight Would last as long as Akainu vs. Aoikiji. That's how I believe how close in Power they might be. However, I still See that Admirals being Superior until Shown otherwise, Since their Feats are greater.
Also the fact that Each Yonkou aren't as strong as each other.
WB is Obviously Strongest.
Shanks is most likely stronger than the other 2. Just by how much I deduct it by what has been given to us.
Using Mihawk as an example who is Shanks Rival, Who openly admits to measureing his distance of strength compared to WB.Also as the Strongest Swordsman.
And Moria Compared to Kaido. Regardless how much they've changed. I am Basing off something that has been Established.
The Yonkou's influece in Power might be the same, which gives them the Title of a Yonkou but as Individual Captains their Strength may vary greatly.
Just like the Shichibukai.
Yes but it was Curiel was seen burnt by Akainu, not Vista.
All we see of Vista vs Akainu is that Vista's blade goes through Akainu after he killed Ace but Akainu isn't injured due to being a logia, nor did we . So no, Vista did not loose spectaurlay to Akainu. It was a failed attack by Vista on Akainu we saw while Curiel got owned.
Ah! Sorry to King Cannon for misunderstanding the context of his comment. Thanks for clearing that up :)
@nodensuke:
I know the info has been talked about a lot, but to clear up any confusion here's a larger clearer version of the newspaper.
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30200000/Mugiwara-Newspaper-one-piece-30250479-1487-682.png
Is Zoro's new bounty 120.500.000 in the paper?
Mihawk is obviously strong, he is a Shichibukai after all. But what I think is absolutely ridiculous is how people rank the individual Shichi's, based on nothing (or very few information).
Especially Doflamingo and Mihawk are placed on a pedestal for no reason. This becomes clear when people desperately try to argue, you hear the same arguments again and again.
"Mihawk used to to spar with Shanks".
Yes, ages ago. There is no way to come to a conclusion based on that, as we don't know how powerful Shanks was at that point in time. Shanks was also a rival to Buggy at one time, if you understand what I'm trying to say.
"Doflamingo was selected to kill Moria, another Shichibukai, means he is stronger than the rest."
Moria was depicted as "too weak" during the war, means he couldn't properly represent the power of a Shichibukai. It would have been no big deal for the others to kick his ass as well, the only question arises if they would have done it. On top, he got accompanied by a bunch of Pacifista, so the trust in him wasn't so great after all (and in the end he even failed at finishing the job).
- Doflamingo and Mihawk got out of the war unharmed.
No offense, but this is the prime example of a desperate argument. Everyone, even the greatest fanboy must realize that the motivation for each character during the war varied greatly, and with that, the danger they put themselves in.
Luffy tried to safe the life of his brother, Whitebeard and his crew their crewmember, Crocodile tried to get hateful revenge on the strongest man in the world, Jinbe went completely mad and took every blow just to keep Luffy unharmed, Jozu and Marco basically shouldered the war together with WB. Just to name a few here. Consequently, the Marines had to defend themselves from this onslaught. Of course people get hurt when they put their freaking life on the line.
Now to the characters who gave a flying fuck about the war (and, surprisingly, got out of it unharmed):
Boa Hancock: Herping here, derping there. No further elaboration needed.
Mihawk: Started the war with an impressive slash directed to Whitebeard - miles away. And that was it. Nothing else was worth mentioning, except that he got stalled by Vista for a short while. Again, Mihawk standing on the hilt of his sword looks indeed freaking badass, but again this is no indication that he is extraordinary powerful. Another example is that Oda decided to let him clash equally with Crocodile.
Doflamingo: This crazy bastard was never in real danger. He even used the war to recruit for personal gain. Stopping Jozu was impressive, but it was nothing extraordinary, something that would set him apart from the other Shichibukai in terms of strength.
Let me highlight it again:
Doflamingo and Mihawk are insanely powerful, but there is nothing that proves that they are above the other Shichibukai. The only thing I think is extraordinary (personally) is that Mihawk and Jinbe are one of the few top dogs who don't rely on the power of a devil fruit.
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But that doesn't mean the others are weaker.
Is Zoro's new bounty 120.500.000 in the paper?
Yes. He got a necessary increase of 500k.
I wonder why M needs a samurai child. The child is not with the others, why is that? Does it have special powers? Good genes?
@krule274:
If it is indeed true that Yasopp is on Shank's crew, then he probably saw it. And how come we didn't see Yasopp when Shanks came to end the war?
cough ahem
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Anyway yea that break is gonna be hard
I don't think it matters much how powerful one is, it' just much more important how one affects the world.
Yonko, admirals, Shichibukai and at least some of the Yonkos' commanding officers are all freakishly strong, but actually we can't tell who is the stronger, because something that is weakness against one opponent can be strength against other, not to mention, that we haven't witnessed that many actual battles between the most powerful. There is one exception, who is basically class of his own - Whitebeard.
Mihawk is obviously strong, he is a Shichibukai after all. But what I think is absolutely ridiculous is how people rank the individual Shichi's, based on nothing (or very few information).
Especially Doflamingo and Mihawk are placed on a pedestal for no reason. This becomes clear when people desperately try to argue, you hear the same arguments again and again.
"Mihawk used to to spar with Shanks".
Yes, ages ago. There is no way to come to a conclusion based on that, as we don't know how powerful Shanks was at that point in time. Shanks was also a rival to Buggy at one time, if you understand what I'm trying to say."Doflamingo was selected to kill Moria, another Shichibukai, means he is stronger than the rest."
Moria was depicted as "too weak" during the war, means he couldn't properly represent the power of a Shichibukai. It would have been no big deal for the others to kick his ass as well, the only question arises if they would have done it. On top, he got accompanied by a bunch of Pacifista, so the trust in him wasn't so great after all (and in the end he even failed at finishing the job).
- Doflamingo and Mihawk got out of the war unharmed.
No offense, but this is the prime example of a desperate argument. Everyone, even the greatest fanboy must realize that the motivation for each character during the war varied greatly, and with that, the danger they put themselves in.
Luffy tried to safe the life of his brother, Whitebeard and his crew their crewmember, Crocodile tried to get hateful revenge on the strongest man in the world, Jinbe went completely mad and took every blow just to keep Luffy unharmed, Jozu and Marco basically shouldered the war together with WB. Just to name a few here. Consequently, the Marines had to defend themselves from this onslaught. Of course people get hurt when they put their freaking life on the line.
Now to the characters who gave a flying fuck about the war (and, surprisingly, got out of it unharmed):
Boa Hancock: Herping here, derping there. No further elaboration needed.
Mihawk: Started the war with an impressive slash directed to Whitebeard - miles away. And that was it. Nothing else was worth mentioning, except that he got stalled by Vista for a short while. Again, Mihawk standing on the hilt of his sword looks indeed freaking badass, but again this is no indication that he is extraordinary powerful. Another example is that Oda decided to let him clash equally with Crocodile.
Doflamingo: This crazy bastard was never in real danger. He even used the war to recruit for personal gain. Stopping Jozu was impressive, but it was nothing extraordinary, something that would set him apart from the other Shichibukai in terms of strength.
Let me highlight it again:
Doflamingo and Mihawk are insanely powerful, but there is nothing that proves that they are above the other Shichibukai. The only thing I think is extraordinary (personally) is that Mihawk and Jinbe are one of the few top dogs who don't rely on the power of a devil fruit.! [qimg]http://i37.mangareader.net/one-piece/590/one-piece-2423207.jpg[/qimg]
But that doesn't mean the others are weaker.
I think your underestimating Mihawk a tad bit , during the war it's not like he clashed against weaklings he was fighting against some of the top people , crocodile was a small clash I wouldn't even consider Mihawk and crocodile on the same footing. He fought against vista but it was a back and fourth thing and Luffy couldn't even touch him. Too me if whitebeard acknowledges your strength and respects you your one dangerous badass
Is Zoro's new bounty 120.500.000 in the paper?
I think its just a smudge. I doubt Oda would reveal their new bounties on such small pictures
Mihawk is obviously strong, he is a Shichibukai after all. But what I think is absolutely ridiculous is how people rank the individual Shichi's, based on nothing (or very few information).
Especially Doflamingo and Mihawk are placed on a pedestal for no reason. This becomes clear when people desperately try to argue, you hear the same arguments again and again.
"Mihawk used to to spar with Shanks".
Yes, ages ago. There is no way to come to a conclusion based on that, as we don't know how powerful Shanks was at that point in time. Shanks was also a rival to Buggy at one time, if you understand what I'm trying to say."Doflamingo was selected to kill Moria, another Shichibukai, means he is stronger than the rest."
Moria was depicted as "too weak" during the war, means he couldn't properly represent the power of a Shichibukai. It would have been no big deal for the others to kick his ass as well, the only question arises if they would have done it. On top, he got accompanied by a bunch of Pacifista, so the trust in him wasn't so great after all (and in the end he even failed at finishing the job).
- Doflamingo and Mihawk got out of the war unharmed.
No offense, but this is the prime example of a desperate argument. Everyone, even the greatest fanboy must realize that the motivation for each character during the war varied greatly, and with that, the danger they put themselves in.
Luffy tried to safe the life of his brother, Whitebeard and his crew their crewmember, Crocodile tried to get hateful revenge on the strongest man in the world, Jinbe went completely mad and took every blow just to keep Luffy unharmed, Jozu and Marco basically shouldered the war together with WB. Just to name a few here. Consequently, the Marines had to defend themselves from this onslaught. Of course people get hurt when they put their freaking life on the line.
Now to the characters who gave a flying fuck about the war (and, surprisingly, got out of it unharmed):
Boa Hancock: Herping here, derping there. No further elaboration needed.
Mihawk: Started the war with an impressive slash directed to Whitebeard - miles away. And that was it. Nothing else was worth mentioning, except that he got stalled by Vista for a short while. Again, Mihawk standing on the hilt of his sword looks indeed freaking badass, but again this is no indication that he is extraordinary powerful. Another example is that Oda decided to let him clash equally with Crocodile.
Doflamingo: This crazy bastard was never in real danger. He even used the war to recruit for personal gain. Stopping Jozu was impressive, but it was nothing extraordinary, something that would set him apart from the other Shichibukai in terms of strength.
Let me highlight it again:
Doflamingo and Mihawk are insanely powerful, but there is nothing that proves that they are above the other Shichibukai. The only thing I think is extraordinary (personally) is that Mihawk and Jinbe are one of the few top dogs who don't rely on the power of a devil fruit.! http://i37.mangareader.net/one-piece/590/one-piece-2423207.jpg
But that doesn't mean the others are weaker.
a lot of things I'd like to say for this one, but mainly what annoyed me was your argument about them being rivals, it's not just one person saying it, everyone says it, white beard said they had some of the greatest duels of all time, that they were legendary, Shanks asks him to a fight! he's clearly at an almost equal strength then him, maybe he's a little bit stronger, maybe he's a litle bit weaker who knows all we know is he's up their oda wouldn't stupidly keep claiming their rivals and have epic duels and then have them no where near each other in strength levels
and as for power between shichibukai, it's just understandable that they have different strengths, look not only what they do but how the author tries to portray it, Doflamingo's huge jump and then cutting off the leg of oars is obviosuly supposed to have huge impact on the reader
further more, I hate to go into power levels but I think we can agree that sanji is seemingly on the same level as jinbei on land, that's what oda tried to portray in their fight against what's his names (obviously some idiots will disagree but there's always someone who'll disagree) obviously he's stronger in water but I think it's safe to say he's on the monster trio level of power (after the time skip) so my question, is do you think any of the monster trio have a chance against Mihawk,
and that's my reasoning for levels between the shichibukai which should come as obvious but people try to dismay them believing emotion has to much say in it and it's not ratinal but forgetting that the author is the one who creates this emotion for a reason, there's clearly a level between shichibukai just compare and contrast people of similar strength
How'd the latest chapter thread turn into a Shanks+ Whitebeard+ Mihawk + Power-levels discussion?
There is some relevance seeing as Law is a ShiChiBukai but shouldn't the rest be taken to another thread?
Mihawk: Started the war with an impressive slash directed to Whitebeard - miles away. And that was it. Nothing else was worth mentioning, except that he got stalled by Vista for a short while. Again, Mihawk standing on the hilt of his sword looks indeed freaking badass, but again this is no indication that he is extraordinary powerful. Another example is that Oda decided to let him clash equally with Crocodile.
You forgot the part where he sliced a giant wave of ice in half. With one swing.
Mihawk is obviously strong, he is a Shichibukai after all. But what I think is absolutely ridiculous is how people rank the individual Shichi's, based on nothing (or very few information).
Saying Mihawk's fighting ability on the level of shanks, given that they had legendary duels, is totally fair.
Because there hasn't been anything shown to show that Shanks has gotten stronger yet.
Whereas with Buggy we know Shanks surpassed him a long time ago.
Also, you know, the whole strongest swordsman in the world thing.
And people also regard Doflamingo as stronger than the others because of the way that he effortlessly dispatched some WB commanders during the war
As for Buggy being rivals with Shanks I think it was just a friendly arguing kind of rivalry instead of being based on strength. Like how they would bicker about the north and south pole, but I don't think they would actually fight between themselves.
Donflamingo sliced off Oar's jr leg in one motion without much effort and beheaded crocodile with a finger. I'm sure if he actually tried to be serious he would be quite fearsome in strength.
I would say that, pre-timeskip, Doflamingo-Kuma-Mihawk are the strongest Shichibukai.
You could say the same thing about Doflamingo or Kuma, and we KNOW that they're extremely powerful.
So what's Mihawk's excuse for a poor showing in the war still?
! @Jules197:
! > I think people overrate Mihawk.First, just because he is the world's strongest swordsman, that doesn't mean he is be able to OHKO every single swordsman in the One Piece world. Vista must be, at least, among the top 10 swordsman in the OP universe, which means that he should be very capable of giving Mihawk a run for his money. Of course, if their fight had dragged out, Mihawk would definitely have won (he is the world's strongest swordsman, after all), but the thing is that they had other stuff to worry about so they decided to put their match to a hold.
Second, and most importantly, I feel like people put Mihawk on the same level as admirals or even Yonko - some people even say he is stronger than Shanks, because "Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, so Mihawk > Shanks". This is wrong people.
Let me explain it better - when it comes to swordsmanship, there are three types of character:
- the ones that cannot use a sword at all, i.e. Luffy;
- the ones who can use a sword but whose power doesn't directly come (or doesn't come exclusively) from their swordsmanship, i.e. Kizaru, Marco, Shanks;
- the ones whose swordsmanship is the main source of their power and who rely only on this fighting style, i.e. Mihawk, Zoro.
I have no doubts that Mihawk is probably a better swordsman than Kizaru or Shanks, for example. The thing is that there is much more to their fighting power than just using a sword, which means that if they were to fight, we couldn't just assume that Mihawk would win just because he is a better swordsman. I think a lot of people tend to forget that swordsmanship is just a fighting style - granted, a very important one in the One Piece world, but still only a fighting style. Sniping, for example, is also a fighting style - and do you think that being the world's strongest sniper makes one stronger than every single character who is capable of using a gun? I doubt anyone here would say that Yasopp (who is probably the world's best sniper) is stronger than Blackbeard (who we've seen using a gun) just because he is a better sniper - once again, because there is much more to Blackbeard's power than just using a pistol.
That being said, I do agree that Mihawk is one of the strongest characters in One Piece. I just don't think he is as strong as some people seem to believe he is, and he most definitely is not stronger than someone like Shanks - he is just a better swordsman.
The reason why Mihawk is so hyped and expected of much is because of his story presence. His importance in story and power/status just screams top class power. People expect Mihawk to be blowing lowly people away because he is Zoro's dream. However that dream seemed like a nightmare in the war.
Mihawk is more or less Shank's level until we are given more info.
That's all there is to it.
Also we haven't actually seen Shanks use anything but a sword to fight.
As for Buggy being rivals with Shanks I think it was just a friendly arguing kind of rivalry instead of being based on strength. Like how they would bicker about the north and south pole, but I don't think they would actually fight between themselves.
Donflamingo sliced off Oar's jr leg in one motion without much effort and beheaded crocodile with a finger. I'm sure if he actually tried to be serious he would be quite fearsome in strength.
Moria speared Oars Jr through the heart, stopping him dead in his tracks and largely negating his influence on the rest of the war, bar a single (epic) moment. He did this while standing still and calling Doflamingo a sloppy fighter. That he was less impressive in the other fights we saw him in, which included an 'elemental weakness' battle and… getting ambushed by six Pacifista and Doflamingo after the war was over. Oh, and he fought Curiel, one of Whitebeard's Commanders, who are all "equally as strong" as one another, and was neither curbstomped nor did he suffer any apparent loss/wound. So, drawing out this power-level stuff,* he is able to fight on the same level as a Whitebeard commander, and a Whitebeard commander is able to fight equally with Mihawk. So Moria is equal to Mihawk.
And yeah, how did it get to this point? Did people get tired of talking about Brownbeard?
*Which is stupid, except where Oda is explicit.
So what's Mihawk's excuse for a poor showing in the war still?
The reason why Mihawk is so hyped and expected of much is because of his story presence. His importance in story and power/status just screams top class power. People expect Mihawk to be blowing lowly people away because he is Zoro's dream. However that dream seemed like a nightmare in the war.
I still don't understand why you think its poor showing. Just because he didn't go killing people left and right in one swing was probally because he just didn't really have an interest in a war and only showed up because he was ordered to. If the war had actually meant something to him he probably would have tried harder.
Moria speared Oars Jr through the heart, stopping him dead in his tracks and largely negating his influence on the rest of the war, bar a single (epic) moment. He did this while standing still and calling Doflamingo a sloppy fighter. That he was less impressive in the other fights we saw him in, which included an 'elemental weakness' battle and… getting ambushed by six Pacifista and Doflamingo after the war was over. Oh, and he fought Curiel, one of Whitebeard's Commanders, who are all "equally as strong" as one another, and was neither curbstomped nor did he suffer any apparent loss/wound. So, drawing out this power-level stuff,* he is able to fight on the same level as a Whitebeard commander, and a Whitebeard commander is able to fight equally with Mihawk. So Moria is equal to Mihawk.
Moria sucks in meele combat as Jimbei knocked him away in one punch. He got fat and lazy, but yes he does have some powerful attacks like the attack that took out Oars jr. But if he was to try to fight Mihawk with his scissors he would get owned in a couple of seconds since Mihawk is better with a sword than him.
I think the original discussion was about swordsmen, how it turned to power levels I have no idea.
And yeah, how did it get to this point? Did people get tired of talking about Brownbeard?
eh Brownbeard just seems to be fodder at the moment. I'm glad he is back in the story but there isn't much to him right now.
This discussion is hilarious.
Tell me more about how Mihawk did in the war.
I'm sure you could give a good summary.
Better than you currently are - he didn't get majorly involved but he still kicked ass.
And you do have to remember he was suffering computer problems in the war.
I've said it before in the past and I'll say it again.
Its not Mihawk that's overrated.
Its The "individual Yonkou" Captain that are overrated.The difference between each of the Yonkou "captain" might be vast. Like how its between Whitebeard and Shanks.
Shanks was hurt by Blackbeard(who didn't have anyone devil fruit), He even goes as far as to say he was Serious and didn't have his guard down. While Whitebeard Humiliates BB like his a Child on the verge of death.The difference Between Shanks and Kaido might be vast as well that's why Shanks was able to get past him rather quickly and that's why Kaido is being compared to Moria. What makes Kaido a Yonkou is His Crew and Allies.
Theirs a HUGE GAP Between Yonkou Whitebeard, + The Worlds Strongest Man" than the Rest of them.
Whitebeard Alone with his second Title Makes that huge jump in Strength/power.
The Worlds Strongest Man Title Separates Whitebeard From the Rest of the Yonkou.
Whitebeard cannot be used to Gauge the "Individual Strength of the Captains" Because they do not share the Title of the Worlds Strongest.
**Whitebeard(the Individual) had no equal During the War.**This alone is a HUGE GAP.We have already been shown who shanks fights with and what his Strength Level is associated with.
Mihawk is a perfect example, They fought equally until Shanks lost his arm, which caused Mihawk to lose interest in fighting him. Mihawk Reigns as the Strongest Swordsman. Therefore He is Stronger than anyone who uses a sword as a fighting style.Kuzan and Kizaru are NOT Swordsman. Just because they have expert swordsmanship does not make them a swordsman.
Bringing Haki into Shanks Fighting Style doesn't change anything. Mihawk has Haki too. It also doesn't change the fact that Haki is being used with a sword which would automatically gives Mihawk the Superiority as being the strongest Swordsman.
As for how Shanks or Mihawk would do against an Admiral, needs to be seen. I wouldn't put Anyone above an Admiral just because Whitebeard was able to beat one. Since he cannot be used to determine the "individual strength of the Yonkou".
However Sengoku was holding off Blackbeard(Blackbeard with 2 devil fruits) and his crew pretty well.And Akainu was Holding off The WB Commanders. Therefore I can say that, Admirals have the edge over anyone that's not Whitebeard.
I remember having a similar discussion with you.
The basis for your whole thesis is wrong.
Shanks got a SCAR from black beard. When he was younger. He wasn't even an Yonkou at that time. But we did get a straight comparision between Shanks and Whitebeard. They both clashed swords, and it was a draw. If Oda wanted to pass the idea that Whitebeard was the strongest, he could've done it.
Shanks other appearance was him casually walking on a battleground and stopping Akainu like he doesn't give a fuck. I didn't see the admiral with 'an edge'…
And is it the title that makes Mihawk the strongest? It's simply that Shanks isn't interested in such title. Much like Whitebeard could be the Pirate King but didn't want to. He did offer Mihawk a duel.
And you're missing on one point. Mihawk has Haki, and destroys ships with swords. Shanks destroys ships with haki, and splits the heavens with swords. (don't take this seriously please). The point is, there are different levels of Haki, different levels of swordsmanship, and not Shanks nor Mihawk know who would win in a duel.
Now, I'm not saying Whitebeard wasn't the strongest man. I doubt anyone could beat him 1 vs 1. But we can't say either of the
I just got this image of Oda-sensei and his assistants & editor taking a break to see what kinda damage theve cuased in the western world…all this disscusion and argumint over his storys...lol
Has anyone else noticed that, up until this point, Mihawk hasn't really "fought" with his sword? All he's done is shoot laser beams out of it…somehow. I want to see him actually fight-fight, like Zoro; slashing and stabbing, techniques and all.
@gotta<3OP:
I remember having a similar discussion with you.
The basis for your whole thesis is wrong.
Shanks got a SCAR from black beard. When he was younger. He wasn't even an Yonkou at that time. But we did get a straight comparision between Shanks and Whitebeard. They both clashed swords, and it was a draw. If Oda wanted to pass the idea that Whitebeard was the strongest, he could've done it.
Why would Oda want to pass the idea of Whitebeard being stronger than Shanks during their clash when he already stated that Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world. There'd be no point in watching Shanks being humiliated, especially since he will have a bigger part to play in the future so Oda has to keep showing off his strength until then (if you look back that's been Oda's style). Not only that, but one clash between two Yonkou isn't going to decide anything… Aokiji and Akainu faught for 10 days remember.
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Has anyone else noticed that, up until this point, Mihawk hasn't really "fought" with his sword? All he's done is shoot laser beams out of it…somehow. I want to see him actually fight-fight, like Zoro; slashing and stabbing, techniques and all.
Mihawk has "fought" with his sword numerous times.
When he finished Zoro, when he clashed with Vista, when he cut Buggy into hundreds of pieces, etc.
I wouldn't exactly call his long range attacks "laser beams". They're more like compressed air slices, the same that Zoro uses.
@Venomous:
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Anyway yea that break is gonna be hard
what break??? 16 chars