Like I said before. Your argument is how Times have changed.
Until We see a the difference of that Strength they've gained as Individuals we don't know if Shanks is stronger.
Mihawk is Stronger(than Shanks) unless Shown otherwise regardless of how long it's been. Being a Yonkou doesn't give the Individual Captain the Title of the Strongest. Which Mihawk currently Holds.
Hmmm, never said anything against that. It's just that, while we can't actually say that Shanks is stronger, we can actually say he didn't get any weaker from losing an arm. And it does gives you the title of the strongest of one of the 4 strongest crews. And if that doesn't get you to the top 4 strongest PIRATES it gets you close.
I'll Clearify myself further since you might be misunderstanding. Just because Mihawk holds the title of the Greatest Swordsman doesn't mean he has no Equal. Shanks and Mihawk fought before and their duals became legendary. Their fights are epic like that of Akainu and Aoikiji. If they fought again could Shanks win, Sure… but it would be a Deadly close battle. Thats why they are Rivals and Equals, With Mihawk Holding the Title of the Strongest Currently. I don't care if you think Shanks is Stronger, as long as you acknowlegde that they are Individual Equal Fighters than we have a base to judge Shanks strength.
Newp, I'll clarify myself because that is exactly my point. They're equals. Mihawk won the last battle they had. I don't think that makes him the strongest, it makes him equal to Shanks, just that.
Your Basing the Strength of Shanks around a Single attack he exchanged with WB and Akainu + him Being a Yonkou.
While Am basing his Strength with his Actual Fights he had + Around His Equal counterpart Mihawk.
I'm simply going from a more meta perspective of story-telling devices, while you are going for nonexistent fights.
We actually know that Shanks:
Is equal to Mihawk.
Somehow stopped Kaidou.
Can easily block an injured admiral.
Got a scar from BlackBeard.
And we know that Mihawk:
Is better than any swordsman.
Cuts ships like butter.
Fights newbs with pendants.
Can't cut diamond from faraway, atleast when he isn't trying to do so.
I can't use this data to compare Whitebeard and Shanks. And much less an Admiral and Shanks.
If you think Being a Yonkou isn't about Support and Allies than your an idiot. A Single person By himself cannot become a Yonkou even if his the Strongest person in the World. Thats why WB had two Titles. 1 that's given to someone who has Vast Powerful Allies and Support "Yonkou" and 2nd "The Worlds Strongest Man" which is an individual based Title.
At least insult me correctly, please.
And you're still taking that up your ass. A single person cannot become an Yonkou. Who knows? Know one tried. I know that Yonkou is a title given to a person. Obviously one who holds territory… And rulles over people. They're emperors... But it's still an individual rank. And don't forget. Pirates do not rulle over people. Before that they rulle over other pirates. They have to be STRONG themselves, otherwise that crew you praise so much wouldn't submit to him.
And how can someone weaker than an Admiral, with a crew of people weaker than an admiral is one of the 5 biggest threats to the world government?
Does Shanks have Allies in the New world the Size of WB, needs to be seen. We don't know that yet. And even if he doesn't His Crew makes up for it. I also Agree that His Higher than the other 2 Yonkou not including WB. It was also never said that All Yonkou are Equal. They are the most Powerful Pirates who Rule the New World like Emperors. Their Strength especially the Individual Captains may Vary Greatly like that of the Shichibukai. WB was By far the most powerful of them. He was called the God of the Sea. He didn't have a desire to wipe out his competition like the rest of the pirates.
It wasn't said, but aside from Non-agression pacts, how else would war between them be avoided if not by similar powerlevels (of the crew as a whole)?
Again let me clearify myself further. Shanks and Admirals are Roughly Equals in my opinion, With a Fight that would last as long as Akainu vs. Aoikiji with ME believing an Admiral having the edge in the end Due their feats. You can Believe Shanks would win and I can't decide that for you. However, I come to these conclusion Due to Compareing and contrasting with Characters that Shanks has fought with. People who Shanks is being compared to Openly admit WB is head of them and are being Beaten like their kids… Whitebeard the World Strongest man had a tough Time takeing down 1 of them who almost killed him as well. I do not See Shanks Winning against such a man, Even if he can it will be a battle which would leave both sides permently handicaped forever.
Whitebeard had troubles against Akainu. But don't forget he was sick, and had a hole through his chest… That must not be forgoten....
And the Admirals have feats such as? Winning against commanders worrying for their dying captains? Huge effect on environment? Impaling someone who gave you their back to protect his brother? Other than that, it's Aokiji owning the Straw Hats.
I don't see anything relevant. I'd think that 10 days of slashes like those of WB vs Shanks would do some damage to the environment...
The Marines Fear Luffy as well, his no Yonkou…. The Marines Fear many pirates, The Yonkou are the most powerful of them. They claimed countries, obviously they would fear them. That doesn't mean They are strong enough to Take down an Admiral who are the Back bone of the Navy.
Shanks Wasn't a Threat to the WB Pirates.... Marco Says Shanks wouldn't do anything stupid to the Oldman. WB says his 100 years too early to be addressing him through a messenger. Shanks went to WB to show that his Serious about the Threat of BLackbeard. His asking WB leave the matter to Him or do it yourself, Ace isn't Strong enough. Obviously Shanks fails.
The marines think the Mugiwara and other 'small' crews are a threat to them. But it's like comparing a local gangster with Al Caeda. Obviously as the series goes the local gangster will become more dangerous than the Alcaeda, but you get my point.
The WG thinks of Luffy as a FUTURE threat, and tries to capture and kill him as soon as possible. When the know where he is, they send battleships to catch him.
When the marines know where Shanks or Whitebeard his, they send SCOUTS, just so they would know if the two joined forces.
If the Marines had 4 soldiers stronger than Shanks. If the found where shanks was, why wouldn't they launch a full on attack against him?
I believe that the 4 of them could deal with it no problem… Or do you think Ben Beckam, Yasopp and Lucky Roo would also last 10 days against an admiral? Even if they did, with good tactics, the 4 admirals would neve be alone, and could simply deal with one fighter at a time. They would go down pretty quickly with the 4 of them focusing fire on one... And since no one is stronger than them, it would be a sure win. They could be tired at the end, but if they managed to go back in silence, it would've been a sucessful victory. :3
"7Warlords+Marines Counter 4Yonkou"
The Shichibukai All 7 on the Marines Side + Marines To Counter All 4 Yonkou" Counter does not mean to Defeat All 4 at Once or Even Take on All 4 To a Stalemate. Counter Can be Interpreted in many different ways than.
Some of you were saying if the WG is this powerful than the Yonkou wouldn't Exist, However they can dwell in territories where the WG has NO AUTHORITY The New World. The New World pretty much Belongs to the Yonkou.
The Yonkou aren't the only threat to the WG, there is a more threatening force to the WG who is Dragon/Revolutionaries.
Than there are Thousands of Pirates Fodders and Hundreds of Worthy and capable and Threatening Pirates and a Handful of Serious contenders who may be capable of giving a Yonkou a tough time and in the near future even take such a title.
The World government has to be capable of dealing with all of this.They have to be as powerful as I'm suggesting in order for them to stabilize the world from chaos.Also they cannot leave some of the post they have set up in the world or else Pirates or Revolutionaries will take advantage and take over.
The Marines cannot simply send their entire force or even half to deal with the 1 or 2 yonkou in the New World when they have so much to look after.
Perfect Example is Whitebeard. They brought him out instead of going in.
If they aren't at least as strong as this "The Shichibukai All 7 on the Marines Side + Marines To Counter All 4 Yonkou", than the WG wouldn't exist.
The Yonkou Are Extremely Overestimated especially as Individuals who's not Whitebeard and The Marines and Shichibukai are Extremely underestimated.
Yup Yup except in the last 2 years the government has been trying to regain control of the New World… Guess what? They're still failling (none of the Yonkou's went down). obviously there isn't a single person in there stronger than an Admiral. (Shank's, the strongest, is weaker).
What do you think would have happend if Shanks Showed up alone and the Battle went on. In the end the Navy would win. Blackbeard+ his crew were Being held back by Sengoku and garp alone. Akainu was fighting the all the WB Commanders at Once. The fodders pirates are being Slaughtered by the Navy,And than you have Shanks show up alone. What do you think will be Shanks Fate??? Shanks Comes in alone Saying he wants to end the war. Kizaru and Aoikiji rape him…... Seriously Shanks has no chance coming in alone. All the Pirates their would have been raped(Including Croc, Luffy, Ivanko, Marco.. Everyone) had Shanks not showed up with his CREW.
Akainu was Injured and Fighting another Yonkou(Him+His Crew) isn't the smartest thing to do. Akainu is shown to be Really cunning. His not stupid enough to risk attacking Shanks and forcing an all out battle with another Yonkou in their Current state. Mihawk + the Shichibukai were leaving. They had Agreed to fight only WB. Attacking Shanks would be Retarded.
The part about Blackbeard being more injured than Akainu… You've got to be kidding. He had just shown up to the war and he only took 3 hits. Akainu was Hit 2 Massive blows by WB. and many other hits from Marco, Vista, and WB commanders.
The marines cannot take on two legends at the same time.
He was talking about Rayleagh. I don't want to argue if Rayleagh is stronger than Shanks. But this does crush your argument that a single person couldn't do a shit at the war. Garp does not think that way. :3
And C'mon. Blackbeard was hit by two blows from WhiteBeard too. He got cut and then quaked in the head. Vista and Marco didn't have an effect on Akainu, he regenerated immediately…