Chapter 632: "I knew it" -Discussion

SH-Avenger

@Aka:

i thought that the 150 km was just a clear explanation of how fast the was! not the amount of space. anyway i dont mind if there is a mistake anyway we are dealing with imagination and extravagance .. i prefer this point of view and nott so much the logicness

Logic in a world where there's Sea Trains, magical powers caused by eating fruits, sky islands and swordsmen that can cut through glaciers?

ODA MUST PROVIDE MORE LOGICS 4 DA BUBBLE ISLAND UNDERWATER LUlLZZZzz

OnePieceFan2

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Doke no Buggy

Dude, there are pretty logical reasons for all these things, especially the sea train… the knock up stream was even explained fairly logically. we will eventually get a devil fruit explanation, it just hasn't come yet. To deny the fact that Oda a has attempted to create a somewhat logical world is foolish indeed, DUR!

Cymelion

@Doke:

Dude, there are pretty logical reasons for all these things, especially the sea train… the knock up stream was even explained fairly logically. we will eventually get a devil fruit explanation, it just hasn't come yet. To deny the fact that Oda a has attempted to create a somewhat logical world is foolish indeed, DUR!

In fantasy writting Logic is more of a guideline then a set in stone rule. Use it when you need it - ignore it when you don't.

Although odly enough FOX News also follows this ideal too O.o

mcdreamy

Everything makes sense in Oda's one piece world. If it doesn't then he just hasn't explained it yet. That 150km thing was complete bs though.

sag d seb

@Cymelion:

In fantasy writting Logic is more of a guideline then a set in stone rule. Use it when you need it - ignore it when you don't.

Although odly enough FOX News also follows this ideal too O.o

Cymelion is it Ok if I use this quote as a signature. I just loved the way you worded it..

SH-Avenger

@Doke:

Dude, there are pretty logical reasons for all these things, especially the sea train… the knock up stream was even explained fairly logically. we will eventually get a devil fruit explanation, it just hasn't come yet. To deny the fact that Oda a has attempted to create a somewhat logical world is foolish indeed, DUR!

Sorry, but a train that runs on tracks that float in water and Islands made of Fossil Clouds doesn't have a whole lot of logic to it. Like Cymelion said "use it when you need it - ignore it when you don't"

Though I'd say all news networks follow this strategy not just Faux News. 0.o

SantoryuUser7

You may not need to refer to logic to make sense out of the things Oda does, but when it comes to a distance, like the 150km shot, you can't really mess with that because that unit of measurement is the same as ours.

Cymelion

@sag:

Cymelion is it Ok if I use this quote as a signature. I just loved the way you worded it..

Certainly :blink::happy:

Nice to know my wordsmithing is appreciated

sag d seb

@Cymelion:

Certainly :blink::happy:

Nice to know my wordsmithing is appreciated

It is indeed:happy:

Cymelion

@SantoryuUser7:

You may not need to refer to logic to make sense out of the things Oda does, but when it comes to a distance, like the 150km shot, you can't really mess with that because that unit of measurement is the same as ours.

Correct - it is something that will be a challange to ret-con I imagine, of which I can only think of 2 ways.
1 - The bubble is turned into an oblong/cylinder shape.
2 - It just gets ignored because its too hard to fix.

Castelmore

Don't forget that it's Oda himself who gave us these numbers. We can't just ignore it. But we can certainly get over a mistake. Let's just say "Hodi is insanely strong" and "Fishman Island is not as big as it looks".

Doke no Buggy

@SH-Avenger:

Sorry, but a train that runs on tracks that float in water and Islands made of Fossil Clouds doesn't have a whole lot of logic to it. Like Cymelion said "use it when you need it - ignore it when you don't"

Though I'd say all news networks follow this strategy not just Faux News. 0.o

Well if you look closely the sea train is actually a boat, that's why it runs on top of the water. About fossil clouds of course they don't exist but in the One Piece world the logic makes a lot of sense. The word logic doesn't mean scientifically accurate. Science uses logic, but logic doesn't necessarily have anything to do with science. Just because those things can't exist in the real world doesn't mean the logic isn't sound, especially with the examples you gave.

I don't think everything in One Piece is logical though, for example the dials aren't really logical. The explanation for dials compared to things like the knock up stream, the fossil clouds and the sea train is very thin and a bit of a stretch.

Louis cypher

@Doke:

the dials aren't really logical. The explanation for dials compared to things like the knock up stream, the fossil clouds and the sea train is very thin and a bit of a stretch.

As Terry Pratchett would say, it probably has to do with quantum.

IgorGB

This time Oda is not defying or ignoring logic, he is contradicting himself. A sphere that is 10km underwater cannot have a diameter larger than 150km.

Aohige_AP

@EeveeGoPewPew:

Something you need to know is, the biggest hypocrites in this forum are the admins, which makes it especially worse since they are always the ones who call out other hypocrites. They really ARE oblivious.

Your logic is flawed, as I'm not an admin.
And I doubt you even understood my post, or even his original post.

Who are you anyways, do I even know you? Or you me?

@chihirou:

Hold on, you want to tell me that I'm a hypocrite? That I do something in the flashes of the lights and backstage I do the contrary? Am I ignorant? Do I not recognize, for example, official spellings or what is, in fact, said in chapter's script? Am I unwelcome for what I can do? I'm not looking down on anyone and I also have no need to go and visit their site - the only reason I go there is to check what mistakes they've done and make readers aware of them because I care. I want to make people aware of what they do.

The point is, Mr Kettle, if you want to call out on the translator's shitty job, it's all you.
But if you want to call them names, it doesn't help your cause if you exhibit the exact same characteristics (in this case, looking down on them in a holier-than-thou attitude) you accuse them of. It's NOT going to go well for you making the point.

I agree with you that some of those translations are pretty shoddy, and I'm guilty of making fun of them as well.
But calling them arrogant assholes while being an arrogant asshole is a boomerang that's sure to smack you right in the face.

Just be an arrogant asshole. Don't call them out for being one. It's safer that way.

example:

"I hate asian people." <- this is a racist asshole.

"I hate asian people, because they are so racist." <- this is a racist asshole that makes no sense.

Hence the Kettle-pot analogy.

EDIT: You can sig that quote btw. :ninja: "Just be an arrogant asshole. It's safer that way."

i can be heroic

I understand wanting to base the manga you read in some sort of realm of possibility, but honestly, splitting hairs about OP's logic is a waste of time. There are so many ridiculous things in it that really couldn't be explained (without some sort of shonen asspull) that even most of the things that are explained sometimes feel like exactly that.

Doke no Buggy

@i:

I understand wanting to base the manga you read in some sort of realm of possibility, but honestly, splitting hairs about OP's logic is a waste of time. There are so many ridiculous things in it that really couldn't be explained (without some sort of shonen asspull) that even most of the things that are explained sometimes feel like exactly that.

It's not splitting hairs on whether it's logical or not because the way the concepts that Oda introduces play out are completely logical. If you don't think that Oda's explanation ship coating and underwater travel is logical then you're wrong. Or how reverse mountain works, it would never happen in real life but in the One Piece world it follows the rules that Oda has laid out.

kljs

i wonder why people are complaining about logic of anything that happens in One Piece?

Luffy having a rubber body is logical but 150km thingy is bs?
Devil fruit is logical?
Zorro losing several liters of blood is not dying is logical?
Luffy avoiding a bullet at point blank range is logical?

if the above few example is anything to go by, 150km in ONE PIECE WORLD is definitely not BS.
If 150km is BS, then Luffy is also BS, because he is a rubberman, which is impossible by any standard or logic.
isn't it?

m00n

@kljs:

i wonder why people are complaining about logic of anything that happens in One Piece?

Luffy having a rubber body is logical but 150km thingy is bs?
Devil fruit is logical?
Zorro losing several liters of blood is not dying is logical?
Luffy avoiding a bullet at point blank range is logical?

if the above few example is anything to go by, 150km in ONE PIECE WORLD is definitely not BS.
If 150km is BS, then Luffy is also BS, because he is a rubberman, which is impossible by any standard or logic.
isn't it?

No it isn't. There the rules of our world. They are called Physics and One Piece does not heed them. There is also the rules that Oda established to be true in One Piece. These rules he has to follow even in fiction. Oda says there's devil fruits -> Luffy being rubber is logical. Oda says 10km down and draws FI as a ball shaped bubble -> 150km+ diameter is illogical. See? It's not consistent with the rules he set up himself. Besides he hinted at this mistake himself already. It will most likely be corrected in the tank.

Hnikarr

OP world is Oda world: he created it and he decides the rules that world must follow.
Once he chose a rule, he too is bound to follow it, if he wants to mantain the suspension of dibelief in his readers. He CAN challenge the rules, like he did with Blackbeard and his 2 DF, but not crash them and throw them in a bin… if he wants to be taken seriously as a writer.
He decided that FI is 10 km under the sea.
He decided that FI is inside a bubble, shaped as a sphere.
He could have decides for a deeper place, or for a different shape, but he chose them and now he is restricted to follow them. Too bad for him.

The point is: when he said that Hodi's bullet flew 150 km INSIDE the bubble, Oda stepped on a crap, while wearing sandals. It can happen to everyone, just bear with it.

Doke no Buggy

@kljs:

i wonder why people are complaining about logic of anything that happens in One Piece?

Luffy having a rubber body is logical but 150km thingy is bs?
Devil fruit is logical?
Zorro losing several liters of blood is not dying is logical?
Luffy avoiding a bullet at point blank range is logical?

if the above few example is anything to go by, 150km in ONE PIECE WORLD is definitely not BS.
If 150km is BS, then Luffy is also BS, because he is a rubberman, which is impossible by any standard or logic.
isn't it?

Again these things you are describing are not illogical, other than the 150 km. They are impossible in the real world but they are not illogical.

Impossible=/=Illogical.

m00n

@Hnikarr:

OP world is Oda world: he created it and he decides the rules that world must follow.
Once he chose a rule, he too is bound to follow it, if he wants to mantain the suspension of dibelief in his readers. He CAN challenge the rules, like he did with Blackbeard and his 2 DF, but not crash them and throw them in a bin… if he wants to be taken seriously as a writer.

Blackbeards two (or three) devilfruits was obviously intentional and long forshadowed. This was just a mistake.

Hnikarr

@m00n:

Blackbeards two (or three) devilfruits was obviously intentional and long forshadowed. This was just a mistake.

I know and in fact I didn't listed it as a mistake, but as a "challenge" of the rule: we don't know how Blackbeard can use 2 DF, but Oda does and he will explain it, in the future. He made him as an exception and he also hinted at something that can give him a reason for being an exception. This is good, while FI is simply a mistake by Oda.

onemoment

@IgorGB:

This time Oda is not defying or ignoring logic, he is contradicting himself. A sphere that is 10km underwater cannot have a diameter larger than 150km.

I'm just shooting in the dark here, but is Fishman Island 10km below the sea as well as the ocean floor? Cause it seems that this mistake could make sense of FI's highest point is 10km under water, and then rest of the bubble is much larger then that.

Urouge

I see there's a lot of people who can't separate "logic" from "realism." Oda takes a logical concept and exaggerates it by a lot quite frequently, which is how most of his world is created. Sure there are things he doesn't bother to try to explain (like the dials), but as long as they're properly established it's fine.

It's been stated, but Oda is simply bounded by his own rules, and nothing more. So long as he follows them (and he does the vast majority of the time), it's fine for a fantasy work such as OP.

@onemoment:

I'm just shooting in the dark here, but is Fishman Island 10km below the sea as well as the ocean floor? Cause it seems that this mistake could make sense of FI's highest point is 10km under water, and then rest of the bubble is much larger then that.

No, not really. After the crew went 10k meters deep to the ocean floor they were looking UP at Fishman Island. It was just a mistake Oda admitted to making.

I gave a funky explanation for fun a while back of time space regarding the legend of Ryuuguu Palace and how hundreds of real life years would pass in one day there, so in Oda's version a lot of space could be crammed in little space instead, but I don't think he intends to go that route.

Juvar

@onemoment:

I'm just shooting in the dark here, but is Fishman Island 10km below the sea as well as the ocean floor? Cause it seems that this mistake could make sense of FI's highest point is 10km under water, and then rest of the bubble is much larger then that.

Sure, reaching 300km downwards? Into the core of the planet? Now that's something… So no, I don't think so, especially since the Strawhats reached the ground first, which would mean instead of "10.000 meters under the sea!", which the chapter title advocated so proudly, it would be 310.000 meters. And that's even more bullshit. Oda messed up, period.

Cymelion

I like how everyone is agreeing with each other but arguing as if they were not

Juvar

@Cymelion:

I like how everyone is agreeing with each other but arguing as if they were not

That's the whole point, no?

onemoment

@Urouge:

I see there's a lot of people who can't separate "logic" from "realism." Oda takes a logical concept and exaggerates it by a lot quite frequently, which is how most of his world is created. Sure there are things he doesn't bother to try to explain (like the dials), but as long as they're properly established it's fine.

It's been stated, but Oda is simply bounded by his own rules, and nothing more. So long as he follows them (and he does the vast majority of the time), it's fine for a fantasy work such as OP.

No, not really. After the crew went 10k meters deep to the ocean floor they were looking UP at Fishman Island. It was just a mistake Oda admitted to making.

I gave a funky explanation for fun a while back of time space regarding the legend of Ryuuguu Palace and how hundreds of real life years would pass in one day there, so in Oda's version a lot of space could be crammed in little space instead, but I don't think he intends to go that route.

Ah ok, I don't really remember those chapters so well right now.

mcdreamy

@kljs:

i wonder why people are complaining about logic of anything that happens in One Piece?

Luffy having a rubber body is logical but 150km thingy is bs?
Devil fruit is logical?
Zorro losing several liters of blood is not dying is logical?
Luffy avoiding a bullet at point blank range is logical?

if the above few example is anything to go by, 150km in ONE PIECE WORLD is definitely not BS.
If 150km is BS, then Luffy is also BS, because he is a rubberman, which is impossible by any standard or logic.
isn't it?

Ok…now you're just being dumb.

Baldulf

What I found funny about all this is how no one who worked with Oda dared to correct him.

I mean, there are lots of assistants, editors and such. Someone MUST have noticed that the measures were fucked up but they feared Oda's mighty wrath.

Demonicpoodle

@Urouge:

I see there's a lot of people who can't separate "logic" from "realism." Oda takes a logical concept and exaggerates it by a lot quite frequently, which is how most of his world is created. Sure there are things he doesn't bother to try to explain (like the dials), but as long as they're properly established it's fine.

It's been stated, but Oda is simply bounded by his own rules, and nothing more. So long as he follows them (and he does the vast majority of the time), it's fine for a fantasy work such as OP.

No, not really. After the crew went 10k meters deep to the ocean floor they were looking UP at Fishman Island. It was just a mistake Oda admitted to making.

I gave a funky explanation for fun a while back of time space regarding the legend of Ryuuguu Palace and how hundreds of real life years would pass in one day there, so in Oda's version a lot of space could be crammed in little space instead, but I don't think he intends to go that route.

why does everyone keep ignoring this

CYCLE (repeated x infinity):

1. hey everyone it said 150km in the chapter
2. well that is simply preposterous, how can that be, there must be a mistake
3. oda does not make mistakes, fishman island is simply that big
4. (hey guys oda said he made a mistake, cut it out)
5. guy number 3, one piece isn't some perfect piece of literature, stop enjoying it, oda fucked up big time and hasn't admitted it
6. maybe he hasn't, maybe he really has plans for fishman island to be that huge, besides aren't they in a bubble inside of a bubble inside of a bubble right now? who knows how large that one bubble can be

Oda:
"whoops"
Corrected in volume release and everyone moves on with their lives.

I get the feeling like volume 61 could've been named (3D)2Y, the next volume can be aptly named (150KM)???KM

chihirou

@Aohige_AP:

The point is, Mr Kettle, if you want to call out on the translator's shitty job, it's all you.
But if you want to call them names, it doesn't help your cause if you exhibit the exact same characteristics (in this case, looking down on them in a holier-than-thou attitude) you accuse them of. It's NOT going to go well for you making the point.

I agree with you that some of those translations are pretty shoddy, and I'm guilty of making fun of them as well.
But calling them arrogant assholes while being an arrogant asshole is a boomerang that's sure to smack you right in the face.

Just be an arrogant asshole. Don't call them out for being one. It's safer that way.

example:

"I hate asian people." <- this is a racist asshole.

"I hate asian people, because they are so racist." <- this is a racist asshole that makes no sense.

Hence the Kettle-pot analogy.

EDIT: You can sig that quote btw. :ninja: "Just be an arrogant asshole. It's safer that way."

Hmm, I have to disagree with myself being arrogant and if I've seemed to be so, I'm sorry.
In fact, I didn't call them by their names because I didn't mean one particular guy. I'm fed up with certain few people, some of them are really biased douche-bags. Heck, some of them even have a PhD.

I could only look down on them if I could be better and quicker than them, which is, in fact, possible considering a friend of mine working in the printing service when Jump's printed.
But I don't want to bother my friends just because I need something. I can as well go myself and buy Jump early on Mons, a week before.

I can't speak about the entirety of Asians, but some of them are, no doubt, racists. If you know what I mean to say.
Probably as big racists as it is everywhere else, but the fact remains.

Hah, don't tempt the fate, La Barbe bleue.

tatermoog

Note to self: off-weeks are not good for this board.

SSJLuffy

The 150 Km really isn't bothering me, simply because if Oda did state it as a mistake it'll probably be fixed. The thing that is bothering me (but not pissing me off) is the 10,000 meters thing. Isn't that only about 10 miles? Is that far? Is roughly 10 miles the bottom of ocean in the OP world? I know this isn't important but, how many miles deep is the ocean floor in our world?

I realize that these really aren't important questions, just things I'm wondering. You can either answer these or linger on and ignore them.

isrnick

@SSJLuffy:

The 150 Km really isn't bothering me, simply because if Oda did state it as a mistake it'll probably be fixed. The thing that is bothering me (but not pissing me off) is the 10,000 meters thing. Isn't that only about 10 miles? Is that far? Is roughly 10 miles the bottom of ocean in the OP world? I know this isn't important but, how many miles deep is the ocean floor in our world?

I realize that these really aren't important questions, just things I'm wondering. You can either answer these or linger on and ignore them.

The Mariana Trench is the deepest part of real world's Oceans, and the maximum depth in it is about 10.91 km (6.78 mi), so it seems obvious to me that this was the measure he used base his choice of depth for FI. And 10 km in depth is definitely a LOT.

SSJLuffy

@isrnick:

The Mariana Trench is the deepest part of real world's Oceans, and the maximum depth in it is about 10.91 km (6.78 mi), so it seems obvious to me that this was the measure he used base his choice of depth for FI. And 10 km in depth is definitely a LOT.

Okay, thanks! That really helps me realize the depth of the OP ocean, not that it should really be compared to the real world's ocean.

Jabra

May I ask where Oda stated it was a mistake? Not doubting the mistake, I just wonder where people get this from.

chihirou

Shonen Jump's Table of Contents. Authors often leave messages there. Oda, in similar fashion, has announced once that he screwed up Zoro's eye and it was supposed to be left eye, not the right one.
And about Blackbeard, I think it was revealed in Green Databook that he basically has more live power within him than other people have. And hence the theory about 3 skulls = 3 lives = 3 DFs.

Juvar

@Jabra:

May I ask where Oda stated it was a mistake? Not doubting the mistake, I just wonder where people get this from.

He didn't state that anywhere as far as I know but it's plain obvious to anyone thinking about it that it's a logical error he made. There.

Enzeru

@Juvar:

He didn't state that anywhere as far as I know but it's plain obvious to anyone thinking about it that it's a logical error he made. There.

Actually it was stated. Aohige-sama mentioned it. Although it's not explicitly stated but it should be pretty obvious in my opinion.

Ahahahaha

Oda's TOC comments:
"I realized I made a mistake before the publish date, so I'm gonna send a 'please don't notice' beam to everyone in the country."

I guess he's referring to the 150km last chapter. LOL

Jabra

TOC comments? What does TOC stand for?

Hnikarr

@Jabra:

TOC comments? What does TOC stand for?

Table Of Contens

Jabra

@Hnikarr:

Table Of Contens

Thanks, where can I read up on that?

sag d seb

@Jabra:

TOC comments? What does TOC stand for?

As far as I know it means table of contents.
But it also means:

! Total Organic Carbon
Theory of constraints
Tournament of Champions
Tools of Change
Traffic Opperation Centre
Test of Cure
Tactical Operation Centre
Trastorno Obsesivo Compulsivo
Trial of the crusader (WOW)
Train Operation Company (UK railroads)
Taste of Chaos (band)
The Odd couple (Neil Simon play)
The Objectivist centre
The Ocean Conservatory
Total Organic Compounds
Transnational Organized crime
Trial of the Champion (WOW)
Topic of Conversation
Truth or Consequences (New Mexico)
Tactical Operation Centre And for many many more meanings checkhttp://www.acronymfinder.com/TOC~2.html Hope I could help.