Chapter 630: Lashing Out

[Vegapunk]

@silversatyr:

I'll agree that it's not the best OP chapter by far, but it's still a pretty good manga chapter.

Also, to those griping about the 'copied' skills - we haven't seen what plans Oda has for the match-ups or the full extent of their abilities. I'm sure Oda will give us some fun, original fights - when has he disappointed on that front? Just think back to previous battles - who thought a mole woman would be a hard opponent, or that soap suds could defeat one of the Monster three, or even that ghosts could be used the way that Perona used them? I know I wasn't expecting a lot of the things that have happened in past battles.

Sure now they seem 'recycled' but maybe, just maybe, Oda knows what he's doing!

Personally I'm looking forward to a princes vs NFP fight. Even though the princes will lose (you don't really think they'd win, right? Story needs to progress in a certain way for our heroes to become more involved) it'll be interesting to see what else the strongest fishmen are capable of.

Don't forget that the first powers we saw of other villains aren't the full extent of their abilities. Remember the Priests of Skypeia? Sure we saw the fire lance and flying bird, the dog and master and could guess at some of their skills but not all. And hell, there've been a few other 'double ups' like, oh, Ace and a certain Admiral who at first glance shared a 'copied' power but used it/fought quite differently.

well said, two thumbs up and i think the map is on sectional view, regarding that gyoverly hills was referred from getting the most light from FI.

[kouch_lee]

One question (honest question, really): why do you guys consider this chapter rushed?

Again, I'm not criticizing anyone, it's just that I didn't notice anything specially rushed or too fast paced here.

[MDL]

me neither, when i was reading it i thought everything was normal.

[maxterdexter]

Theory:

ES Is made from the escence of a "Awakened" Zoan.

[dasia]

Perhaps rushed is not the right word 'cramped' like someone said. Too many things going on, wanted to introduce all the NFP abilities + show goofy personality panels+ reactions,it felt a bit much and confusing. For e.g I like the dry squid ability and Ikaros story but didn't like this page.

@game: Oda often modifies the names too. I prefer the not straightfoward ones, Daidoros and Ikaros.

[game2005]

After reading this chapter on Mangastream, I'm thinking… Shouldn't Ikaros be called Icarus? His friend is called Daidoros, and the translator's note that it might actually be spelled Daedalus. Anyone familiar with Greek mythology should know the names Daedalus and Icarus.

[TheCook]

This chapter…...................It was a lot.
So much going on, and it is getting a fragmented feeling.
VDD is literally flying on something he tossed to the Sea forest, while Luffy and Jimbe argue,
The Fishman Pirates seem to be going off doing oppression and what not to the civilians, and Hodi is on his knees from overdosing on drugs.

The only character I really liked was Hyouzo this chapter. I loved his character design and he was an awesome character right off the bat. Couldn't imagine how hard it was to translate his drunken talk into english.

[Arcadia080]

@dasia:

Perhaps rushed is not the right word 'cramped' like someone said. Too many things going on, wanted to introduce all the NFP abilities + show goofy personality panels,it felt a bit much and confusing.

Cramped is a good negative description for whats going on. A positive description would be 'Jam Packed'. There's a lot of stuff going on and a lot of characters going on in the stuff going on.

[GetsugaZoro]

@kouch_lee:

One question (honest question, really): why do you guys consider this chapter rushed?

Again, I'm not criticizing anyone, it's just that I didn't notice anything specially rushed or too fast paced here.

I didn't think it was rushed, I said it wasn't a great chapter, it wasn't bad either, it accomplished what it was meant to do, I actually liked the passing I wouldn't want Oda to lose much time showing this dudes powers.

[arlekin21]

Wow this is the most users ive seen on a thread
On another note does anybody think sanji will use diable jambe agaisnt Ikaros

[sanji499]

Ok chapter, villains being introduced and a map.

The highlights were undeniabely the cover chapter (I wonder if he knows that his family sword got destroyed) and Hyozu. I did not expect to see him drunk, it was kinda of scary when I was used with his easy going personality.

[KaizokuJinbei]

I have a theory what if Jinbei knew about the ES and knew about the side effect that Hordy is having right now that possibly makes him monstrously strong and foresaw the side effect taking effect on Hordy eventually which is why Jinbei told Luffy not to fight

[kaizoku_Chopper]

one thing i dont get it from the map, where is the sea forest?

[TräshCät]

hahaha hyouzou is so damn awesome! haha you funny guy!

[dasia]

@KaizokuJinbei:

I have a theory what if Jinbei knew about the ES and knew about the side effect that Hordy is having right now that possibly makes him monstrously strong and foresaw the side effect taking effect on Hordy eventually which is why Jinbei told Luffy not to fight

Euh but Kaizoku Jinbei already stated the reason why he dsnt want them to fight in ch 629?

[akagami7]

@kaizoku_Chopper:

one thing i dont get it from the map, where is the sea forest?

the sea forest is in another bubble, outside.

[pyromonki]

@KaizokuJinbei:

I have a theory what if Jinbei knew about the ES and knew about the side effect that Hordy is having right now that possibly makes him monstrously strong and foresaw the side effect taking effect on Hordy eventually which is why Jinbei told Luffy not to fight

Nope. Jinbe clearly explained why he didn't want Luffy to fight Hody. It will just spawn another cycle of hatred.

Jinbe doesn't think Luffy's weak, in fact, he would go help him if that was the case.

He didn't stop him in the war while charging against 3 admirals (he helped him get to them even with that water pillar move), he wouldn't stop him now.

This chapter was meh… I didn't really care to see their powers right now. I would've prefered to see them when the fights started.

I would love if the side affect turned Hodi into a human. I would laugh uncontrollably.

[KaizokuJinbei]

@dasia:

Euh but Kaizoku Jinbei already stated the reason why he dsnt want them to fight in ch 629?

Oh yeah..I forgot about that "Fishman will hate humans more if humans saved them" reason I like Jinbei but that didn't make any sense

[kagehisa]

lol Hodi's turning into a fish

[pyromonki]

@KaizokuJinbei:

Oh yeah..I forgot about that "Fishman will hate humans more if humans saved them" reason I like Jinbei but that didn't make any sense

It actually does make sense, it's just Jinbei is naive in thinking he can dispose of all fishman hatred if he beats Hodi. If the people see Luffy do it, they might think it's just a "human beating up a fishman" rather than what it really is.

It won't.

It's kind of like that Kramer incident during his comedy show…. He was called a racist but he was just fed up with the black people making fun of him and retaliated by calling them the "N word", if a black person had told them they were being "N words" the situation most likely would've ended entirely different.

the key words here are most likely.

[gallowsx]

im missing the strawhats bad… loosing patience slowly, wanna see some action from the crew.

chapter felt cramped, but hopefully we'll move on next chapter

[Archtyrant]

I don't get it; a fishman pawn is able to break out of chains but Zoro and Luffy, with all their hyped up 2-year training, can't even break out of chains and ropes respectively? Really disappointing.

It was just an ok chapter for me. Last week's was much better.

[Skadi]

@Archtyrant:

I don't get it; a fishman pawn is able to break out of chains but Zoro and Luffy, with all their hyped up 2-year training, can't even break out of chains and ropes respectively? Really disappointing.

It was just an ok chapter for me. Last week's was much better.

Zoro said he`ll cut them when he get his katanas back, and Luffy wasn´t even trying…

[Urouge]

I enjoyed this chapter. I really enjoyed the characterization we've now gotten of all the NFP officers (only Hodi and VDD are boring now).

• Ippon-Matsu has a little bit of a mancrush I see. That's really an odd place for that picture dude, even your wife is kinda creeped out. Oh well, the covers should reach the Grand Line next week finally. Looking forward to Laboon/Crocus and their reaction of Brook.

• We got a top down map of level 1! Actually, we got several and they sort of build as they progress, but cool nonetheless.

• Dosun is hilarious. I love the speech quirk power gauge (also the eyes). I suppose we can take from this scene that ES isn't exactly an instant boost, but a relatively quick yet gradual one. I knew he was down, but it's good to see him back up. It's sort of surprising he wasn't all roided up the first time he fought Fukaboshi.

• Hyouzou is even more hilarious, and my favorite one of the group now. I can't believe mangastream can't translate his name properly when it's romanized in giant letters for them (and called him a fishman to boot). He… he uses santouryu! That's a bit of a shock, since I thought he only used one sword, but I like it.

• Zeo... is not that funny at all, just put in a funny situation. His ability isn't really very unique either, but camo was bound to be used by someone and I like his design. I want to know why he has an "02" on him.

• The princes... it takes an HOUR (or more depending on when they left) to go that short distance on the map? Holy hand grenades Batman, Fishman Island is maaaaaassssssive. And ooooh, a compass on that map, nice touch. The princes are more likeable with every chapter. That last background panel of rural Fishman Island makes the island seem so much nicer knowing how big it is.

• Ikaros... MUCH? Nooo Oda, boooo. Muuhi/Muhii was so much better. Oh well. Another hilarious NFP. I like his phobia, I like his weapons, I like the Greek mythology roots. Good stuff. What confuses me is Daedalus. I mean, getting too close to the sun is fine in mythology, but for a fishman? Whaaaaat. I wonder what he does with his spears after they transform. He could get water for them easily if he really wanted to. I'm also a little disappointed that the royal army was stomped flat so definitively by one sea monster (even if it was on drugs).

• Hodi really got his ass kicked by Zoro. Hahaha. I guess he's terrifyingly powerful after taking all those, but it's already destroying him and he hasn't even reached the plaza yet. Ikaros is beginning to realize just how costly the drug is, which may also be a sign of things to come.

• Side note, I've been of the belief from the beginning that the NFP aren't the real villains of this arc, and this chapter reinforces that belief for me between the comedy and the drug overdose. Sure, real villains can be made comical sometimes, but joke villains are always made comical. I don't know what role they'll play yet, as a Franky Family style reversal seems a bit much, but the entire structure of the arc should get totally flipped and shaken up in a few more chapters, I think.

The lack of Luffy/Zoro/etc didn't bother me all that much, since this chapter had plenty. I wonder what VDD is up to, though. I guess he's just hanging out somewhere chucking axes. I was also hoping for a romanization for Hodi, but oh well, maybe next week.

[Coruscation]

Luffy could obviously have broken out of his ropes. We don't know if Zoro can break out of his chains yet (before anyone says he needed his sword, there's still a chance that he needs that for the cage bars and not the chains). Though I will admit that if it turns out he can't and Dosun could, that will seem strange to me.

[RomanceDawn]

Hyouzou, not just Santouryu, but Drunken Santouryu. I had a feeling he would be a drunken style swordsmen, but not with multiple swords.

Chapter is ok, didn't make me too excited, but I suppose it's necessary set up.

[Sense]

Good chapter. Great to see the other NFP and Hyozo.

RIP Hodi Jones…

[kagehisa]

@Urouge:

• Zeo… is not that funny at all, just put in a funny situation. His ability isn't really very unique either, but camo was bound to be used by someone and I like his design. I want to know why he has an "02" on him.

Doncha know? He's the numero 2 espada :ninja:

[Sick_Fool]

@Skadi:

Zoro said he`ll cut them when he get his katanas back, and Luffy wasn´t even trying…

Not to mention that fishman pawn was fed with an ES pill; the very pill that allowed Hodi to capture Zoro, the guy who knocked him out with a single slash.

This chapter actually made me like the NFP a little bit more.

[Archtyrant]

@Skadi:

Zoro said he`ll cut them when he get his katanas back, and Luffy wasn´t even trying…

@Coruscation:

Luffy could obviously have broken out of his ropes. We don't know if Zoro can break out of his chains yet (before anyone says he needed his sword, there's still a chance that he needs that for the cage bars and not the chains). Though I will admit that if it turns out he can't and Dosun could, that will seem strange to me.

I hope so too guys. I trust Zoro to be able to get out of his chains with his katana, but was kinda hoping that he could do so without them (the katanas) too. Like, i'm pretty sure his base strength wouldn't be any less than Dosun's right?

Maybe Zoro used a different muscle group when using his katanas to slice, but i was under the impression that shonen manga (and american comics like Marvel too) aren't usually as complicated as that.

@Sick_Fool:

Not to mention that fishman pawn was fed with an ES pill; the very pill that allowed Hodi to capture Zoro, the very guy who knocked him out with a single slash.

This chapter actually made me like the NFP a little bit more.

Yeah I was thinking of that very scene too. Therefore it didn't really click in my head.

[pyromonki]

@Archtyrant:

I hope so too guys. I trust Zoro to be able to get out of his chains with his katana, but was kinda hoping that he could do so without them (the katanas) too. Like, i'm pretty sure his base strength wouldn't be any less than Dosun's right?

Maybe Zoro used a different muscle group when using his katanas to slice, but i was under the impression that shonen manga (and american comics like Marvel too) aren't usually as complicated as that.

Yeah I was thinking of that very scene too. Therefore it didn't really click in my head.

I think it's because no one's really in danger that Usopp, Zoro, and Brooke are just fooling around.

Also… Zoro isn't very smart.

[SabZ]

I think this is the chapter FI needed. All that craziness with Luffy and the SHs ended at the Sea Forest (and Ryuuga Palace), and it's been put on hold to develop the newly introduced characters further. We needed to see more of the NFP to take the whole arc seriously, and it was cool to see a variety of personalities and abilities. It's all building up with the princes too… and when it starts getting interesting we'll see plenty of the SHs (partciularly Luffy). And Hodi seems fucked... I have a feeling he'll stop screaming and just get up a monster bad ass who has a shit load of power and little control. Wouldn't mind seeing that vs Luffy.

[Aru]

Awww, I love people here, who think that One Piece is just like any other manga out there and after the time skip Straw Hats will beat everyone with one finger. People, what did you want from this? It would be boring seeing all the time how badass the Straw Hats are. You've got Zoro cutting Hodi and the rest also showed nice abilities. Now we need someone strong, like these guys on pills, to be a threat to SH, so that they can show us a little more of what they learned in two years.

Also, chapter was… ok. Nothins special for a few weeks now, still waiting for something nice to happen, something that would make me put my OH SHI- glasses on.

[GiantGuy]

Just how long has this day lasted?
The Straw Hats must already have spent hours travelling on Fishman Island. Judging by the distance between Waterwheel Town and Gyoncorde Plaza and the time estimation, the Straw Hats first travelled one hour with the Ryuugu ship from Mermaid Cove to Coral Hill. The journey from Coral Hill to Gyoverly Hills must also have taken about one hour. And then at least 1,5 to 2 hours to Ryuuguu (up to 6-7 hours depending on where Ryuuguu is located). Not to mention the journey time to the Sea Forest and the time they spent at each place. And then they must also have spent quite some hours on Sabaody and sailing in the deep sea.
That is just weird, even for comic book time. Maybe a day passed between chapter 609 and 610 or when Keimi saved them at the arrival. Or Fishman Island is located in a completely different time zone. Probably better not to think much about it.

[dasia]

@Urouge:

• Side note, I've been of the belief from the beginning that the NFP aren't the real villains of this arc, and this chapter reinforces that belief for me between the comedy and the drug overdose. Sure, real villains can be made comical sometimes, but joke villains are always made comical. I don't know what role they'll play yet, as a Franky Family style reversal seems a bit much, but the entire structure of the arc should get totally flipped and shaken up in a few more chapters, I think.

Amen. goes to sacrifice goats as well to be on the safe side

And lol guys cmon we saw the strawhats last week only I prefer seeing other characters getting developed too.

Small question:Do coverstories start and end with an arc/saga? We know this one is revisiting all the locations the strawhats went to so could it be used as an indication for the length of FI? If yes,then am glad we are already nearing climax with Hordy and co would mean there is good stuff ahead.

[Sakonosolo]

Zeo is awesome . Also sea bear! And a JoJo/FotNS-esque rapid fist attack by that squid fishman which was pretty cool. Wonder what's happening to Hody.

Edit: Urouge, that would be awesome.

[Kishido]

@arlekin21:

Wow this is the most users ive seen on a thread
On another note does anybody think sanji will use diable jambe agaisnt Ikaros

No, Franky or Usopp can use fire as well. Sanji will fight Caribou or VDD

[TLC]

Nice chapter. It's fun to see the seemingly one note villains to be developed. Pretty interesting and refreshing how it's the villain that needs to power up to give a good fight to the protagonist rather than the other way around.

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@Archtyrant:

I don't get it; a fishman pawn is able to break out of chains but Zoro and Luffy, with all their hyped up 2-year training, can't even break out of chains and ropes respectively? Really disappointing.

It was just an ok chapter for me. Last week's was much better.

Sigh…people seem to forget that fishmen's natural strenght is ten times stronger than humans'.Add to this the fact that Dosun is a warrior fishman that seems to be stronger than a normal fishman and that he consumed an ES(which doubles the strenght) before breaking free,and things will make a lot more sense here.
Therefore,although luffy and zoro are phisically stronger than normal humans and could possibly match the natural brute force of a fishman,it's still very unlikely that they could be PHISICALLY stronger than a warrior fishman after consuming an ES.
Also,the fact that Luffy and Zoro trained during two years and are more powerful than before doesn't mean that they're PHISICALLY stronger than before..:getlost:

[DyranLK]

Hodi sucks.

Overall, though decent chapter at best, imo. That Sea Bear looked pretty freaked out at the end of that panel, though; looks like Hodi's gonna get some enhancements in the next several chapters, eh?

[Sick_Fool]

Oh, I thought Ikaros "Much" was just mangastream's mistranslation. So it's actually an official romanization by Oda himself? Meh, I liked Muuhi better.

[Coruscation]

Add to this the fact that Dosun is a warrior fishman that seems to be stronger than a normal fishman and that he consumed an ES(which doubles the strenght) before breaking free,and things will make a lot more sense here.
Therefore,although luffy and zoro are phisically stronger than normal humans and could possibly match the natural brute force of a fishman,it's still very unlikely that they could be PHISICALLY stronger than a warrior fishman after consuming an ES.
Also,the fact that Luffy and Zoro trained during two years and are more powerful than before doesn't mean that they're PHISICALLY stronger than before..:getlost:

I don't mean to incite a big power debate and mods can delete this if it's not appropriate, but…

...Luffy, Sanji and Zoro already did things like push two 10-story or so buildings apart while stuck in the middle, throw a house, throw a huge rock while horrifically injured, kick building pieces like footballs and move the chain of Thriller Bark (seriously, that thing must be HEAVY). Of course straight training for 2 years are going to make them much physically stronger as well. Just look at what Sanji's kick did to that Pacifista compared to back then. Rob Lucci was four hundred times stronger than a regular human, physically, without taking his Devil Fruit into account, and Lucci's outdated compared to present Luffy and Zoro. If it's steel we're talking about it (what else would the chains be made of? I dunno) it SHOULD be fairly outdated as well for the Monster Trio, they now break Pacifista armor which is much harder.

Dosun is a warrior fishman sure, but he's not even the boss fishman. For him to be physically stronger than Zoro, who has always been a total beast in strength, with just one ES is nagging.

[Monkey.D.Joeru]

so hodi has a final form? great chap imo, even if the powers are recycled their application is unique.

[piratemarimo]

Matsu is now just a little bit creepy in my eyes.

This chapter was pretty meh. Hyozou was amusing. Some of the dialogue confused me. Did Zeo just get beaten up by his own team? And did that other fishman call Ikaros an idiot and then apologize? It was weird. Ikaros sure has a strange ability. Squid spears? :wassat: Apart from Hyozou and Ikaros, I thought the abilities were boring. The Princes are still awesome. lol Sea Bear. Good to see Hodi get what's coming to him. I wonder what kinda monstrosity he's become.

[RomanceDawn]

@Fleet_Admiral_Akainu:

Sigh…people seem to forget that fishmen's natural strenght is ten times stronger than humans'.Add to this the fact that Dosun is a warrior fishman that seems to be stronger than a normal fishman and that he consumed an ES(which doubles the strenght) before breaking free,and things will make a lot more sense here.
Therefore,although luffy and zoro are phisically stronger than normal humans and could possibly match the natural brute force of a fishman,it's still very unlikely that they could be PHISICALLY stronger than a warrior fishman after consuming an ES.
Also,the fact that Luffy and Zoro trained during two years and are more powerful than before doesn't mean that they're PHISICALLY stronger than before..:getlost:

It his highly likely that both Zoro and Luffy are physically stronger than any Fishman on that island even with ES. Warrior Fishman or not both Zoro and Luffy have done enough in the past to show that even for Fishman standards they are well above any of them in physical strength. And due to the nature of their training it is very likely their physical strength has gotten much stronger. Your final statement basically applies only to Nami, though one could argue Brook, Robin, and Usopp.

[Saturnchild]

Interesting. As I thought the Fishmen are weaklings compared to the top and they cna balance the scale only with steroids. Although I expected at leat Hordi to have more natural strength. I mean jesus he can barely deal with a single slash from Zoro. Come on dude grow some balls.

Now I wonder how their will pair up for the fights. I am especially interested to see if we will finally get to see Robin having a good fight. I wonder who could be a nice oponent for her. Ikarus would seem like a good choice. Especially since as a squid she can't simply clutch him and she would have to get more creative. I am guessign she wouldn't have much problem dealing with Zeo either since if she wants to she cna se practically in all directions and he won't be able to hide from her

I don't get it; a fishman pawn is able to break out of chains but Zoro and Luffy, with all their hyped up 2-year training, can't even break out of chains and ropes respectively? Really disappointing.

Why are you surprised? Not being able to break out of simple chain or evne ropes is as much as part of One Piece and giving woman huge tits.

[Skadi]

@Coruscation:

Dosun is a warrior fishman sure, but he's not even the boss fishman. For him to be physically stronger than Zoro, who has always been a total beast in strength, with just one ES is nagging.

If we consider the unconfirmed fact that the boss is the most physical strong, then that means nothing. Hodi can break a giant and thick wall just by using pressure, and without ES. Dosun could be motherf*** strong, yet weaker than Hodi…

That, if Hodi`s the boss because of his strenght.

[Sphingx]

Hyouzou is freaking awesome and hilarious. The drunken expression on his face…

That is one creepy choice of picture to put in your bathroom, Ippon-Matsu... I'm not sure your wife likes showering with Zoro's glowering face there... >.>

[kouch_lee]

@GetsugaZoro:

I didn't think it was rushed, I said it wasn't a great chapter, it wasn't bad either, it accomplished what it was meant to do, I actually liked the passing I wouldn't want Oda to lose much time showing this dudes powers.

Oh, I wasn't refering to you; some people stated it was "rushed".

But I agree with you in that these chapters are needed, and we can't expect twists and stuff from this kind of chapters. I think in what it tried to accomplish, to give exposition to the bad guys, it was good. We may not like some of these, or like them all, or hate them all, but that enters the "personal taste" area, not the "it's really badly written" area.

On the "rushed" thing; "cramped" is an adjective I can attribute, but not only to this chapter, but like 85% of OP's chapters. ODa puts a lot of stuff in every chapter. It can get a little overwhelming, what with the crowded panels and all, but I kinda like it. It gives value to the chapter: Oda puts many stuff with the 17-19 pages he's got to work with.

I'm getting tired of bringing in Bleach in a discusion, but in this case it's usefull; in Bleach, we get pages with 2-3 giant panels, 1 bubble that says something like "It's here. We must go", and all that happens is that someone stands up. Or points at something. Or looks at something. The chapter will fly by in 2 minutes, but you won't be getting much from it.

I prefer Oda's way, but I guess there is a middle ground somewhere.

[RomanceDawn]

I really like the fact that it only took one attack to take out the biggest villian so far. Along with actually seeing the negative affect of the ES it is just very satisfying.

I can't help but think that Jimbe will want someone to help Hodi recover from this ES attack. I wonder how Hodi and the rest would feel if Chopper aided him?