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Wait did I read this right? The population of Fishman Island is 50 000 000 ? Holy crap.
that's wayy more than the entire population of canada (33million)
and population of greater tokyo (35million)
basicaly fisherman island isn't just an island or a city, it's a huge country like alabasta. (with more population) that is litterally jam-packed with people to no end.
to put in comparison. it's the population of south korea (48 million)
Though the dialogue had glaring errors, I really enjoyed this chapter.
Otohime's drunken speech was a really One Piece moment, I thought. Arlong getting whooped by Jinbe was pretty sweet too.
Liking where this flashback is going… Also I'm convinced that Buggy's gonna be a Shichibukai now. :0
@Hespia:
that's wayy more than the entire population of canada (33million)
and population of greater tokyo (35million)basicaly fisherman island isn't just an island or a city, it's a huge country like alabasta. (with more population) that is litterally jam-packed with people to no end.
Why does this mistake refuse to go away?
T refers to Strawberry 小将 (Shoushou; Rear Admiral) in the spoiler summary.
As for Fisher Tiger scaling the Red Line. I have a feeling that he explained to his fellow fishmen/mermen that he was a slave?
Then again, I have read only Naruhodo's translation and have yet to read the original thing, though, so I might be a little confused here.
Once again I was answering a question and I think the person was talking about his current strenght :P, I know he was a Rear Admiral back then.
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Still wondering why Jimbe mentioned "Do not fight Hodi". Well , at least we saw him in the flashback in this chapter, maybe something will come up in the next 
If Luffy kicks Hodi's ass. The circle of hatred might continue but ass kicking tends to be Luffy's solution to almost everything.
These days Arlong Park needs to have our own chinese translator to check things, since chinese scanlate always comes before MS release and before the actual raw.
Even though it's not always accurate. But if I had the time to visit the spoiler thread, I'd be glad to help. My Chinese is definitely better than my Japanese anyway.
Is this the second chapter that's titled "Queen Otohime"? I don't quite remember. Ah, well. Touching chapter.
@Dan:
I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. None of that implies that Jinbe is stronger than we what we've known he was for a long time now.
I'm not really making a big deal of anything, just pointing out that it was strange that they went out of their way this chapter to emphasize his strength, can you remember a time (other than the countless "Knight of the Sea" stories people tell and when he was first introduced in ID) when they did that?
This chapter shows that Jimbe was the one who defeated Strawberry, seeing as how Tiger was getting his ass handed to him. I guess Oda is telling us that Jimbe is actually stronger than Tiger.
Interesting things to notice: A bat sending a message to Jinbe = Sichibukai offer. A bat sending a message to Buggy=. . .?? Can't wait to see it!
Also, Strawberry was greatly bandaged (his hair being wrapped up in bandages was hilarious), and comments on Jinbe's strength. Was it him who gave Strawberry a beating?
Everything else was great. Otohime is a really good character. I like her a lot. And say what you will, but a Tenryubito = shit will happen. And we want shit to happen, right?
I know I do 
I want Tenryubito to get the crap kicked out of him. Any ways, good chapter. I'm going to feel so bad when the Queen dies, I've really grown to like her, again I do think Luffy will destroy the place for her, that'd be fine by me.
Ask for Jinbe, I think we know what Oda is going with here, I'll save that for another thread though.
If Luffy kicks Hodi's ass. The circle of hatred might continue but ass kicking tends to be Luffy's solution to almost everything.
That's the real problem here. I don't think kicking Hodi's ass is going to solve much. Temporarily maybe, but the circle of hate will continue.
which makes me wonder what Oda has planned for this arc.
I can see luffy destroying fishman island to give the fishmen reason to leave the island and live above sea level
You know what I liked?
Even though Arlong despises humans he calls Jinbe superhuman after getting his ass handed to him.
Really, it made me smile 
Just because it's bigger doesn't mean anything. Russia and Canada are huge but their populations aren't that big either. It comes down to a matter of resources and habitable areas - something Arabasta clearly didn't have much of.
But come to think of it, do you really think Fishman Island is big enough to hold that many people? I swear it looks no much bigger than Alubarna(chapter 607).
Unless Oda messed up with the size comparison and all(like he always does 95% of time) –and if he really did, well he messed it up BIG time.
Uhh…. Given the track record, I have to question the validity on some of these translations, but there's no raw yet to compare.
Once the chapter is out, I'll take a look. Some wordings don't make much sense in context.
Well he really messes up with giants all the time. If there's one thing Oda sucks at, it's size consistency, especially with larger people or objects.
Besides, small size doesn't mean that much. Japan is a tiny country yet it has a really big population. It's really all about building up instead of down.
Awesome chapter! But I am so sick and tired of all these tenryuubitos. You know what? I would really appreciate it if it wasn't them killing our darling Queen. If it happens… Well then I hope she at least slaps them silly, instead of setting an example or something like that. Aww don't die for your people, Queen. Pleaase awww….
Btw. Did the day for a new chapter change?
So was Arlong in Impel Down? He seems so much stronger now then he does in the Arlong Park arc against Luffy
If Luffy kicks Hodi's ass. The circle of hatred might continue but ass kicking tends to be Luffy's solution to almost everything.
Luffy will destroy an entire island only to compel the habitants to live with the humans. Yes, you are right: ass kicking = solution.
@Elektrik:
So was Arlong in Impel Down? He seems so much stronger now then he does in the Arlong Park arc against Luffy
8 years of lazing around doing nothing will do that to you.
Luffy will destroy an entire island only to compel the habitants to live with the humans. Yes, you are right: ass kicking = solution.
I can picture him doing this. He might declare some bold words to the WG if they try to harm them. Luffy is not know for using "talk no jutsu".
But come to think of it, do you really think Fishman Island is big enough to hold that many people? I swear it looks no much bigger than Alubarna(chapter 607).
Unless Oda messed up with the size comparison and all(like he always does 95% of time) –and if he really did, well he messed it up BIG time.
I'm looking forward to it, Aohige.
This chapter is great!!, I am telling ya its going to be really sad when the queen dies :''''(. Luffy Raise the god damn Island and Beat up these tenryuubitos!!!. But anyways this flasback is sooo interesting!!!
great chapter though i can't wait for the plot to go on and see how fi gets recked.
It was a fantastic chapter, not boring at all!
I felt like crying when I saw the disappointed Otohime crying. 
I like how things are getting together, now the Sun Pirates split, Arlong became "the Arlong" who invaded Cocoyashi village, so all that is left is Otohime's death and Dekken's appearance. I'd say, the next chapter is going to be a flashback and after that half of chapter 626 will be flashbackthe rest will be "Jinbei: That was, what happened".
How do you guys figure a world noble is gonna kill the queen? She can dodge bullets and she has CoO. Nobles are weak.
Maybe hostages will be involved, or something like that? But than that's completely different from the usual behaviour of the nobles. So i don't see why people are all like, "oh, it's the world nobles again!" This seems like it's very likely to be a fresh set of circumstances to me.
@i:
I'm not really making a big deal of anything, just pointing out that it was strange that they went out of their way this chapter to emphasize his strength, can you remember a time (other than the countless "Knight of the Sea" stories people tell and when he was first introduced in ID) when they did that?
Yeah, "making a big deal out of it" was probably bad wording. I just don't feel Jinbe's strength was particularly emphasized at all. Weak Arlong calling him superhuman after he got knocked around and having a seemingly pretty close battle with a rear admiral (Jinbe was injured too) doesn't seem all that impressive to me.
@Elektrik:
So was Arlong in Impel Down? He seems so much stronger now then he does in the Arlong Park arc against Luffy
Hmm? How does he seem stronger to you?
Yuck, the mere thought of Queen Otohime and the likes of Tenryuubito in the same place is disheartening,
I can already see myself so pissed/depressed by next chapter
@Dan:
Hmm? How does he seem stronger to you?
Some people have this "Dragon Ball syndrome" and think that all characters get 1000 times stronger each arc, specially the main characters.
Luffy was definitely stronger right before the timeskip comparing to Arlong Park, but not necessarily THAT much stronger.
Does someone can explain to me, why Hodi looked so suprised?
Some people have this "Dragon Ball syndrome" and think that all characters get 1000 times stronger each arc, specially the main characters.
Luffy was definitely stronger right before the timeskip comparing to Arlong Park, but not necessarily THAT much stronger.
Yeah, I get the impression, that Luffy's only gotten a tad bit stronger as he's moved along the grand line. It's usually his strategies to his fights or a specific attack that changes. The timeskip, of course, is an exception, but on the whole, they've only grown steadily throughout the first half of the story, not exponentially.
Remember folks: bounty does not necessarily correlate to strength.
Does someone can explain to me, why Hodi looked so suprised?
I think it was cause he idolized the sun pirates as people who fought against humans but now their leader decided to work for them.
Yeah, I get the impression, that Luffy's only gotten a tad bit stronger as he's moved along the grand line. It's usually his strategies to his fights or a specific attack that changes. The timeskip, of course, is an exception, but on the whole, they've only grown steadily throughout the first half of the story, not exponentially.
Remember folks: bounty does not necessarily correlate to strength.
I always thought Luffy grew about 2.5 or 3 times in strength before the timeskip. I generally look as Zoro's growth to measure things because it's easier to see how much he has grown.
Some people have this "Dragon Ball syndrome" and think that all characters get 1000 times stronger each arc, specially the main characters.
Luffy was definitely stronger right before the timeskip comparing to Arlong Park, but not necessarily THAT much stronger.
It's more a matter of acquiring new techniques. I believe G 2nd would give him a bigger edge over Arlong now.
Does someone can explain to me, why Hodi looked so suprised?
Do you mean the last panel on this page?
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/50719690/14
He was probably surprised by "things that worry Jimbe", I hope we'll learn what they are next chapter.
I think it was cause he idolized the sun pirates as people who fought against humans but now their leader decided to work for them.
But if he were suprised by the news of Jimbe joining the Shichibukai, he would be surprised in the first panel he showed up, not the second.
I got the impression Hodi was furious with Jinbe for becoming a "government dog."
Nothing to add really liked this chapter sure the park guessed a lot as usual but still great. The cover,the speech,the little shits turning up at the end,lol at the little timeskips too Oda's flying. And yes the drunken speech was very Onepiecy indeed. My favourite bit was when she asked why do you think the bubble was specifically put here because 'there is a little bit of light a little bit of air', really shows how absurd it is that fishmen arn't considered the same as humans. By the way who was the Queen calling liars? She also says we have 'chosen' to live here unless I missed info somewhere I always thought it would be revealed they were forced to live there ya know the usual with the void century etc etc. So the fishman generation that decided so was not the one which attempted to migrate above? Anyway thanks for the ch people.
Man, Jimbei look so, so much better with his old hairstyle, wish he gets it back in present time.
Cool chapter. The pacing of the flashback is more understandable as it goes, which is nice.
Whew, this chapter sure has me thinking about a lot of stuff. I'm starting to think that Jinbe is going to eventually reach the conclusion that the World Government is a barrier to his race, and that they can only move forward by treating them as enemies. It's not a stance the country as a whole can take, however, because they'd lose. Jinbe and Neptune surely realize this. I feel like Jinbe will eventually decide to take the burden of dealing with that barrier on himself, much like he did in attempt to protect Whitebeard.
Some people have this "Dragon Ball syndrome" and think that all characters get 1000 times stronger each arc, specially the main characters.
Luffy was definitely stronger right before the timeskip comparing to Arlong Park, but not necessarily THAT much stronger.
Now this, i disagree with. Post-gears Luffy would easily destroy Arlong Park Luffy. Taking gears out of the equation, it gets a bit fuzzier, but even then i think he got quite a bit stronger overall.
Luffy was definitely stronger right before the timeskip comparing to Arlong Park, but not necessarily THAT much stronger.
Luffy is definitely MUCH stronger; I'd pull comparisons, like him struggling to rip off a ship's mast/keel/whatever even while hypnotized back at Syrup vs. him being stuck between huge buildings in a city and tearing the whole thing down with one arm for each side, but even those don't really get the point across. I'd rather focus on things like Zoro cutting iron or Sanji being able to bend or break iron with a kick; early in, Luffy's physical feats were impressive, definitely, but Oda has made a point with enemies like Lucci that Luffy has grown leaps and bounds in both speed, power, and fighting skill. Or even Oars and Moria for that matter. Looking at this chapter with Arlong and Jinbe, it was emphasized how powerful Jinbe was, to the point that even Arlong referred to him as 'superhuman'. Arlong was by far weaker than Jinbe, and Luffy struggled with Arlong… so going by Jinbe's pre-timeskip "in your current state", Luffy went from barely on par with Arlong to on par with Jinbe to (post-timeskip) more powerful than Jinbe.
It was awesome seeing Arlong speak to Jimbei like he could actually beat him, and then Jimbei just punches him right in the face.
I feel Hodi was surprised seeing his hero become a government dog, which is what caused the resentment. And Luffy is obviously much stronger even without the gears.
You could say Luffy was 80% in a fight before the gears were created. After Gear 2nd, he improved by 200%. Just estimates.
so going by Jinbe's pre-timeskip "in your current state", Luffy went from barely on par with Arlong to on par with Jinbe to (post-timeskip) more powerful than Jinbe.
Wait, wait, wait, when exactly was Luffy on par with Jinbe before the timeskip? I'm sure he was way behind him. Now he might be almost on par, but stronger…? No way.
Was Arlong in imprissioned in impell down?
The concensus was that Fishmen should be taken somewhere else because if they managed to slip into the bluegori's food gathering vents they'll be as good as free, but what we saw was too Impel Down-ish, Except for the clouds.
Isn't the calm belts open seas supposed to be "Absolutely calm"? Well ID counts as an island because it has a Eternal Pose, so it should have weather.
The point is: Arlong was sent to ID once, why wasn't he taken there? Or why didn't he showed himself during the escape?
Unless he was on Lvl six in a "Two strikes and you are erased from history" rule, he should have been around lvl 3 or 4, and part of the breakout league, and jumped water once they reached the door.
The development that Arlong was once In Impel Down makes think that he might be back in Fishman Island.
About Otohime.
She has color of Observation and yet she is marked as "Assessinated".
Luffy has been able to sense even Vanderdecken's attacks.
She's been shown to be nimble enough to dodge bullets.
My guess is that.. she is going to chose to sacrifice her life.
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The cover page for this chapter was beyond win.
^^^ (Nekketsu) Think he's talking about when Jimbei said "I may be injured myself, but in your current state there's no way I'll lose to you!" about Luffy (when Luffy was up and going mad over Ace's death while still bandaged up and horribly wounded). That's basically saying "if you were in better shape, I might lose to you" but it could simply be meant as "if you were in better shape (and I'm still injured) I might lose to you". Which seems more likely as Jimbei appeared to be quite a bit stronger than Luffy before the timeskip. Alternatively, it could even be referring to Luffy's general strength before the timeskip, that Luffy was so comparatively weak that even when injured Jimbei won't lose to him.
Anyway, this chapter wasn't quite as high a high as the last one but still pushed the flashback and development of the main characters forward nicely. Split was about as I'd expected it, and Jimbei is of course way above Arlong as he by all right should've been. I can really see what Jimbei meant by that having the Sun pirates out and about while still trying to accomplish her dream became too much for Otohime, now. It seems as though the island turned more amenable to her ideals after her death, though, since Jimbei stated something to the effect of "…no one has forgotten your ideals" if I'm not mistaken. Now if those Tenryuubito are the ones to kill her… I think her death will be contrasted to Tiger's, in that he died unable to love a human to the very end, despite the time spent with Koala, while she will die refusing to hate them despite having been assassinated by the most despicable humankind has to offer. Or something like that.
Uhh…. Given the track record, I have to question the validity on some of these translations, but there's no raw yet to compare.
Once the chapter is out, I'll take a look. Some wordings don't make much sense in context.
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=32820&p=2234517&viewfull=1#post2234517
There you go. Hope these few spoiler pics will make up for the lack of any raw. I am gonna wait for Vicissitude or someone other to upload the entire chapter rather than read Naruhodo's translations.
Was Arlong in imprissioned in impell down?
The concensus was that Fishmen should be taken somewhere else because if they managed to slip into the bluegori's food gathering vents they'll be as good as free, but what we saw was too Impel Down-ish, Except for the clouds.
Isn't the calm belts open seas supposed to be "Absolutely calm"? Well ID counts as an island because it has a Eternal Pose, so it should have weather.
The point is: Arlong was sent to ID once, why wasn't he taken there? Or why didn't he showed himself during the escape?
Unless he was on Lvl six in a "Two strikes and you are erased from history" rule, he should have been around lvl 3 or 4, and part of the breakout league, and jumped water once they reached the door.
The development that Arlong was once In Impel Down makes think that he might be back in Fishman Island.
Simple, because he was captured in the Grand Line near Impel Down. Being captured in East Blue is nowhere close, and there are likely more convenient prisons they can reach.
Wait, wait, wait, when exactly was Luffy on par with Jinbe before the timeskip? I'm sure he was way behind him. Now he might be almost on par, but stronger…? No way.
^^^ (Nekketsu) Think he's talking about when Jimbei said "I may be injured myself, but in your current state there's no way I'll lose to you!" about Luffy (when Luffy was up and going mad over Ace's death while still bandaged up and horribly wounded). That's basically saying "if you were in better shape, I might lose to you" but it could simply be meant as "if you were in better shape (and I'm still injured) I might lose to you". Which seems more likely as Jimbei appeared to be quite a bit stronger than Luffy before the timeskip. Alternatively, it could even be referring to Luffy's general strength before the timeskip, that Luffy was so comparatively weak that even when injured Jimbei won't lose to him.
I won't derail this thread with a strength argument, so you can move this conversation to another more appropriate thread if you want to continue it (I will follow), but basically Coruscation captures my thoughts initially. Jinbe seemed to respect Luffy's power at least to the point that he viewed him as on or near the same level; you are free to disagree with me on that, but I challenge you to find anything during Impel Down or the war that suggests he was actually stronger than Luffy. Post timeskip Luffy is sure as hell stronger. If training with one of the world's strongest fighters for well over a year solid while learning a vital skill to boost your fighting skill doesn't make you jump by leaps and bounds I'll eat Oda.
I won't derail this thread with a strength argument, so you can move this conversation to another more appropriate thread if you want to continue it (I will follow), but basically Coruscation captures my thoughts initially. Jinbe seemed to respect Luffy's power at least to the point that he viewed him as on or near the same level; you are free to disagree with me on that, but I challenge you to find anything during Impel Down or the war that suggests he was actually stronger than Luffy. Post timeskip Luffy is sure as hell stronger. If training with one of the world's strongest fighters for well over a year solid while learning a vital skill to boost your fighting skill doesn't make you jump by leaps and bounds I'll eat Oda.
Oh, so I get it now. If you put it this way is true. Zoro and Sanji should be close, if not almost on par.
Simple, because he was captured in the Grand Line near Impel Down. Being captured in East Blue is nowhere close, and there are likely more convenient prisons they can reach.
I must check again Hachi's undersea Stroll, but most of the locations that he finds are extremly Grand Line-ish. Everything that we know about East Blue was pretty vanilla.
Well, yes, he could have gone through the Calm Belt, but why don't show anything there.
