If there was ever a prequel that didnt need to be made it was this one.
Heres the trailer in it's lack of glory.
I'm a fairly big fan of the first couple of movies, particularly the first. The remake was terrible but had some good ideas but this abomination looks absolutely fucking shite.
All the mystery of the originals is completely lost. It doesn't matter HOW it happened, only that it did.
@Garfield:
Whoever made this shit should be dragged out into the street and shot!
Yea what Garfield said
What was the point of this. Honestly.
Looks stupid. Although I only ever liked the very first one.
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They already when into some of the "hows" in the crappy sequels of the original movies. Not that specifically to my memory, but they've already done so much to tarnish the original movie's point through all the sequels and remake that this is hardly anything new.
Beneath the Planet of the Apes, the second one isnt thaaaaaaat bad. It brings up some interesting points when it's not too busy being a total mess.
i dunno. if you look at it as a stand alone, it looks pretty interesting. I love how those CG faces on the apes look so emotional.
Please don't be crap. Please don't be crap. Please don't be crap. PLEASE don't be crap.
EDIT: Yep, this is going to be crap.
They explained how the world became like it did in the original movies. This is just plain unnecessary.
So I'm guessing there's going to be a message about how we shouldn't be doing testing on animals and the apes' revenge for that is to start killing everyone involved except one or two people there that was against the testing?
i dunno. if you look at it as a stand alone, it looks pretty interesting. I love how those CG faces on the apes look so emotional.
Kind of hard to look at it as a standalone when the words PLANET OF THE APES are in the movie title. It's meant to be connected thats the point. It just looks like a lame tie in that nobody asked for and nobody wanted.
My problem with the CG ape faces is that they look like CG ape faces. They don't look real and they definitely don't hold my suspension of disbelief.
You know your CG isn't as advanced as you want it to be when a mask and make up from 1968 look fucking better.
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I would say that some of them do u guys are just biass because it's not from the manga. If the filler arc was in the manga then I bet u guys would love it.
i totally get where your coming from. most times I'm on your side of the fence. but I'm not too attached to planet of the apes, and the sci fi plot of this movie entices me. :)
They just need to hurry up and make the musical
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I would say that some of them do u guys are just biass because it's not from the manga. If the filler arc was in the manga then I bet u guys would love it.
Kind of hard to look at it as a standalone when the words PLANET OF THE APES are in the movie title. It's meant to be connected thats the point. It just looks like a lame tie in that nobody asked for and nobody wanted.
My problem with the CG ape faces is that they look like CG ape faces. They don't look real and they definitely don't hold my suspension of disbelief.
You know your CG isn't as advanced as you want it to be when a mask and make up from 1968 look fucking better.
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The makeup from the original movies is fantastic.
Great Scott ! Five movies isn't enough, with the second one destroying all life on earth while it's at it ?
Also just saw a review of the second movie on TGWTG and I have to say I only remember the ending of the movie, and I stil remember it pissing me off.
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Kind of hard to look at it as a standalone when the words PLANET OF THE APES are in the movie title. It's meant to be connected thats the point. It just looks like a lame tie in that nobody asked for and nobody wanted.
My problem with the CG ape faces is that they look like CG ape faces. They don't look real and they definitely don't hold my suspension of disbelief.
You know your CG isn't as advanced as you want it to be when a mask and make up from 1968 look fucking better.
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It stil looks godawfull but I get your point ;)
Please dont tell me your bad mouthing the effects from the original…
The masks and make up have aged really really well tbh. Well enough that CG hasn't even caught up to that standard yet at least.
No, but it does look a little…...odd now doesn't it :P
At least that one photo , it looks a bit too shiny :P
Watch it again.
Definitely suspended my belief more than your average terrible looking CG movies…. particularly the remake.
Considering how crap some of the masks and make up looked in things like Star Trek:TNG, Stargate, the Star Wars prequels and other 90's and 00's sci-fi TV shows and movies, I think it holds up damn well for 1968.
Stargate never had masks because they never had fucking aliens.
It's the Charmed of the Sci Fi world.
Oh fuck, I didn't mean Stargate actually. I can't even remember what I was thinking of now.
…either way, my point stands. For 1968 it looks like walking, talking ape evolutions and does the trick without question.
Give me those old costumes over that crap looking CG guff in the trailer any day.
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I would say that some of them do u guys are just biass because it's not from the manga. If the filler arc was in the manga then I bet u guys would love it.
Give me those old costumes over that crap looking CG guff in the trailer any day.
The moment when actual hand drawn animated films will be made again ;)
Kind of hard to look at it as a standalone when the words PLANET OF THE APES are in the movie title. It's meant to be connected thats the point. It just looks like a lame tie in that nobody asked for and nobody wanted.
My problem with the CG ape faces is that they look like CG ape faces. They don't look real and they definitely don't hold my suspension of disbelief.
You know your CG isn't as advanced as you want it to be when a mask and make up from 1968 look fucking better.
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Yea too bad I can tell that's as about as fake as a $300 bill.
Well at least you can tell it's actualy there :P
They just need to hurry up and make the musical
I love that scene from the Simpsons. It's too awesome.
@No:
Well at least you can tell it's actualy there :P
Don't get me wrong the make-up and the costumes are good but it's obvious that the it's a man (or a woman) in a well detailed monkey costume.
Well yeah… but they're kind of supposed to be. They're meant to be much more humanoid. We've never seen a humanoid ape like that so it's safe to assume that's what they look like
The Rise trailer has CG apes that are meant to be regular present day apes.... and they look like shit. They clearly aren't real.
Oh God. That trailer. That CGI. Terrbile, horrible memories of weightless Spiderman hitting me like a freight train right now.
Why is Hollywood always messing with the classics?
Awful.
i've never heard of this sequal before. your talking about the original series, right?
If they can't do justice to the originals and stay true to how they were done - then don't do it. I don't see why they feel the need to change up the story so much.
Also, That Simpsons Planet of the apes musical is fking awesome. Oh how i miss Phill Hartman. :(
Meh. I prefer the original version of how it happenned, it was so much better. But in anycase, i'll still give it a watch…it may prove to be beter than it looks...
I've been watching this franchise for the first time.
Planet of the Apes. I liked it a lot. Loved the iconic 'Damn Dirty Apes' scene. It's such a great movie, and I loved the characters of Zira, Cornelius, and Taylor. And while Zaius wasn't neccessarily a good one, he was an interesting one. The twist was just the best thing ever. It sincerely took me by surprise. Movie history.
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Beneath the Planet of the Apes? Absolutely rubbish. The, basically, replacement of Taylor with Brent I hated. But some positive things were how they had Nova finally speak, I thought that was a great touch. The Cult subplot was trippy as hell. I really didn't like it and I thought it was awful and diverged to far away from what I love about the film. Was it just me or did the law enforcers actively change to Gorilla suits? I think they looked different from the first film. Hated how they wiped out everything at the end.
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Escape From Planet of the Apes? At times, a bit contrived - negatives; but I liked it a lot. I liked the role reversal they had, and how they mirrored the first film. Cornelius and Zira not talking like they said to do if captured, and them finding themselves alien in Earth. It was a bit contrived how they managed to do all that in the background 10 minutes of the last film, but i suppose they wanted to continue the franchise so we'll give them that. I didn't like Milo - unnecessary addition. They could have had Lucius in his place, but I suppose he couldn't have been explained as the one who touched up the ship, and operated it. Surprised by no mention of Lucius.
I saw the twist miles away. The scene with her in the cage with the other Chimp, and its baby, Caesar was such a Chekhov. Doctor Hasslein was a great villain. Sad of course to see Cornelius and Zira exit the franchise through their death. But glad atleast they unlikelyily survived to be in this one. Why did Zira so casually throw the dead (real Caesar) in the water though? Sure it wasn't her baby, but she seemed a more compassionate character and it seemed a little offkey and heartless. I mean she threw it right in with its killer!
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I'm starting watching Conquest now. Then Battle For. but i hear it's the worst of the franchise. Be hard to surpass Beneath on that front imho.
I heard someone complain about how Nova being able to speak makes no sense, realy.
And yeah, the ending to Beneath is utter bullcrap. I did not remember anything from the movie until I saw a review of it a week ago, except for the one scene, at the end, and that's because it pissed me off.
Hm, I enjoyed all of the original series.
I mostly agree with you about Beneath Flux but I really don't think it was that bad.
I think it's full of great ideas and great plot points but none of it is particularly handled very well. Brent was a bit… odd but it still wasn't bad.
I'll probably go for Escape tomorrow night.
Just finished Conquest. I liked it a lot.
Poor Armando, I grew to love him as a character. Hell, his relationship with Caesar sort of mirrored Zira & Cornelius' with Taylor in the first film. The Insider protecting the alien. His death was so sad. He died protecting his ape friend for 20 years. He reminded me of Obi-Wan for some reason. He was the archetypal Protector.
The film is also very paradoxical , and makes me question why there is need for this film 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' when basically, the 4 Sequels tell, through prequel or sequel, the whole history of Planet of the Apes. I felt horrible for Caesar, and empathised with him the whole way through the film. Error though - didn't Zira say that 'Aldo' was supposed to have uttered the epic 'No', and not Lisa? (Btw, I did like how that was kept in mind with the heavy banding about of the word 'No' in the film, which didn't even feel out of place)
The addition of MacDonald was good, it evens out the portrayal of Man. And adds another character to our 'Friendly Humans' list. Lisa I found was a bit annoying having her running about throughout the film only to really be significant as a possible love interest (and I'm sure she's incredibly vital for the next and final film) and mating partner for Caesar. No real importance in this however; bar wrongly uttering the important 'No' and yet they still have her running about in this pointless subplot.
The scene after Caesar is presumed electrocuted, where he kills the gaurd, harked back, and I think purposely to Escape From Planet of the Apes, where Caesar's father, Cornelius kills the Orderly who's pseudo-taunting Zira. I think the reflection of Father/Son similarities was good there.
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Well I just watched Battle For The Planet of the Apes - I at several points during the film thought it was pretty bad. But I loved the ending. No matter if it's supposedly the 'worst of the franchise'
Naturally, a lot of the plot centers around that crazy fucking cult which I hate, so I didn't like that aspect. However I loved the interaction and friction between Caesar's Apes and Aide Macdonald's Humans. As I watched to the end, with the outcome being peaceful, I felt sad knowing that just as the humans were released from the coral, they would be imprisoned in them once more, by Gorillas such as Aldo.
I didn't like Aldo, and a part of me therefore dislikes his plot, but I now realise it was vital for the explanation of how Gorillas came to be like that. Writing this now, I remember Aldo's faces during the Tree Scene with Caesar. I pitied him. There was good in Aldo, and like uttered earlier in the movie, the good in him was exercised in an unconventional way.
I liked how they built up the co-life of, and how natural that co-existence of the people and the apes is, by not having much interaction between, or significant focus on Caesar and his wife. Then again, thinking like that, I wonder, was Caesar and his Son's relationship developed well enough for us to care about Cornelius' death? I felt awful when that happened. For a starter, he was killed slowly, secondly, he's named after by now, our dear friend Cornelius, harking back to the first film.
I like the ending; it was bittersweet, and ominous enough. Even though I didn't like Beneath the Planet of the Apes, it did a good job of setting it up and that is to be admired. Hell even the one second 'Gorilla pulling the little girl's hair' scene set up/foreshadowed the very first film.
I am really glad I watched this franchise. I feel proud to say it's now one of my favourite film franchises. And I remember the ealy films with fond nostalgia. Now to watch the trailer for Rise of The Planet of the Apes and bitch about how the suits would be much better than the CGI.
If there was ever a prequel that didnt need to be made it was this one.
Heres the trailer in it's lack of glory.
I'm a fairly big fan of the first couple of movies, particularly the first. The remake was terrible but had some good ideas but this abomination looks absolutely fucking shite.
All the mystery of the originals is completely lost. It doesn't matter HOW it happened, only that it did.
What the fuck!? That doesn't even make narrative sense as a prequel. Taylor was blasted off in 1971, and Caesar seized control, after the Ape Revolution in 1991. That looks set in 2010. By then they'd already be dominated? How the hell are they living in peace - I give up, it makes no sense!
EDIT: Oh it's a reboot and they want to start a new Franchise from it.
I am really glad I watched this franchise. I feel proud to say it's now one of my favourite film franchises. And I remember the ealy films with fond nostalgia. Now to watch the trailer for Rise of The Planet of the Apes and bitch about how the suits would be much better than the CGI.
Same here man. I watched them years and years ago when I was much longer but I've only recently gotten around to a rewatch. It's surprising how well it holds up today. In 43 years it's aged much better than the remakes meagre 10.
What the fuck!? That doesn't even make narrative sense as a prequel. Taylor was blasted off in 1971, and Caesar seized control, after the Ape Revolution in 1991. That looks set in 2010. By then they'd already be dominated? How the hell are they living in peace - I give up, it makes no sense!
EDIT: Oh it's a reboot and they want to start a new Franchise from it.
Honestly I havent been able to find anywhere that says it's a reboot. All I can find is people saying it's a prequel. Even if it is a reboot it's just all wrong and unnecessary. I fail to see what new sides to the Planet of the Apes story this will bring. As I've said before…. telling us how it's done ruins a lot more than the first films shock ending and the questions that it's imagery implies.
I am definitely not keen on that CGI - There was something magical about the suits.
Also I agree it doesn't really tell us anything new because the sequel films were basically prequels. Methinks they just wanna be like "hey we got cash and new technology, which this was successful without - now it'll make even more!"
Fucking kidding me it's certified fresh.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes/
All the reviews I'm seeing so far are only really praising the CGI, so it looks like it's another case of Avatar-syndrome.
I just saw it and it was really good. It was well acted and excellently paced. The overall experience was very enjoyable
Holy shit. Never would've guessed..
Maybe I'll see it…
I saw it last night, and this is easily a must see. Its not a prequel to original set of movies as it is a what if this was the cause. The trailer doesn't the movie justice at all. Its one of those trailers that brings in the general audience, but doesn't capture the story.
This movie has a lot of heart and its very moving. The CGI acting is great, and I'm amazed that the movie is as strong as it is for having a not talking ape as its main character. So far I've seen a lot of people talking smack about this movie, but haven't seen it. Everyone in my group of friends who have seen it loved it.
Its an amazing narrative.
Huh. Well, I may go see it after all, but who knows…
I keep hearing positive opinions of it … at least so far ... I expected it to bomb.
It can't be worse than Beneath The Planet of the Apes … so I might give it a try, but I'm not expecting much - as a fan of the original series.
It really is a good movie; the trailers are only the barest bones of the actual story so that you know what the film is about, but don't really know half as much as you think you do. You don't see James Franco's reasons for performing these experiments, you don't see the sheer expressiveness of the CGI characters, and a whole host of other things.
I saw the trailers and expected it to bomb, but I was dragged to it….and well it was pretty damn good. Everybody go see it!
I KNEW this was gonna be good. my friend was too tired to go see it last night. darn. maybe tomorrow I'll go see it.
I was totally pumped watching the trailer (holy shit, super smart monkeys cause mayhem!!) … until the title came up. Yeah, going from lab monkey escape ---> complete world domination is not so plausible. But whaddya know.
I was totally pumped watching the trailer (holy shit, super smart monkeys cause mayhem!!) … until the title came up. Yeah, going from lab monkey escape ---> complete world domination is not so plausible. But whaddya know.
! Well they implied with the ending that a large amount of the population was going to die from the virus created from the cure to Alzheimers. It's more plausible that an army of super smart Apes can achieve world domination when most of the humans are dead and the rest are divided.
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I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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