funny how jimbei really seemed to hate human… the way he was beating that marine showed that he really use to despise them...he seemed even worst than arlong....crazy how someone can change....anyway this flasback is very informative...
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Chapter 621: Otohime and Tiger
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funny how jimbei really seemed to hate human… the way he was beating that marine showed that he really use to despise them...he seemed even worst than arlong....crazy how someone can change....anyway this flasback is very informative...
I don't think Jinbe was hating them because they were human. His words indicates to me he was enraged because they were marines trying to arrest Tiger just for releasing slaves.
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anyone find the introduction of this macro char kind of intresting?
Please tell me you're kidding.
He's been introduced to us TWICE already in the past.
This was the third time. -
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anyone find the introduction of this macro char kind of intresting? i feel like he's the prime choice for having a role in Otohime's and Tigers death. and does anyone else think were gunna get a Fishmen SH common enemy whos prob human that VDD will likely side with to get the princess and give the fishmen a reason to trust luffy and hodi a chance at turning good?
Dude, Macro was beaten by Hachi with a single punch in a cover story, then again by Hachi after Zoro broke him free of Duval's cage. Dude's just a jackass who sells people into slavery, but he's relatively weak. My guess is that St. Roswald shot her during an attempt to Annex Fishman Island and there was nothing Neptune (or anyone else) could do about it.
On another note, I think this is a setup for Jinbe being the last crew member. Think about it: He's a former boss (Shichibukai), he's an ex-pirate/soldier who has experienced the loss of two role models (Otohime and Fisher Tiger), and he has a dream (Fishmen and Humans coexisting, which he inherited from both of his role models). This is setting him up perfectly.
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I dont think he will be the last strawhat, but he will probably be the next one. Ive been saying it since Impel down, and id be really happy to see it happen. Guess only time will tell.
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So after reading the chapter I found that I liked it but at the same time the pacing seemed too slow and too fast at the same time, if that makes sense. It was too slow in the sense that we went even further back in time for the purpose of showing maybe one or two important things and those alone didn't qualify the need for an entire chapter; also we've now finished the chapter near the same cliffhanger for 3 weeks running. The pace was also too fast because, if Oda did decide to flesh out the formation of the pirate crew and the backstory of Arlong and Jimbei, he rushed things WAY too much. I realize that the flashback within a flashback was meant to show off the Queen but if it was doubling as Jimbeis and Arlongs back-stories it was too rushed in that respect. Fisher Tiger suddenly shows up and everyone just joins in all of one page, including guys we didn't see at all like Hachi and Marco? Also what turned Fisher Tiger into a pirate all of a sudden and again Oda skipped over the freeing of the slaves and climbing the Red Line storyline even though this was about the third great opportunity he had to show it. I would have rather left things as they were in the last chapter without this seemingly pointless and rushed back-story. Hopefully Oda revisits these things but as it stands right now it seems like we just moved on which would be a shame.
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I think Oda will get to Tiger taking on Marijoa by himself and freeing slaves, because this chapter ends on a cliffhanger. There will be more chapters. It's a very interesting flashback.
Fusing post…
Anyway, I'm starting to think that Oda's using breast size to indicate a woman's health. Otohime is practically flat-chested, so she's frail. Most other bishoujos have melons. Shirahoshi herself has the largest breasts shown in One Piece, and is a funny contrast to her mom. Kaya used to have small breasts, too, and she was ill. Nami had small breasts when she was just a thief, which probably means she was malnourished before Sanji came on board. After Sanji's arrival, we see a ballooning in her breasts, to the point that she's an I-cup.Or maybe I'm thinking too much on this, and should just accept it as Oda's evolution in art.
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I just read this weeks chapter, and this flashback is awesome so far, but I think the real interesting event will be what leads up to the Sun Pirates disbanding.
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Or Fisher Tiger's untimely death:ninja:.
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I think Oda will get to Tiger taking on Marijoa by himself and freeing slaves, because this chapter ends on a cliffhanger. There will be more chapters. It's a very interesting flashback.
Fusing post…
Anyway, I'm starting to think that Oda's using breast size to indicate a woman's health. Otohime is practically flat-chested, so she's frail. Most other bishoujos have melons. Shirahoshi herself has the largest breasts shown in One Piece, and is a funny contrast to her mom. Kaya used to have small breasts, too, and she was ill. Nami had small breasts when she was just a thief, which probably means she was malnourished before Sanji came on board. After Sanji's arrival, we see a ballooning in her breasts, to the point that she's an I-cup.Or maybe I'm thinking too much on this, and should just accept it as Oda's evolution in art.
sigh Yes you are thinking too much into it. And stating inaccurate things.
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I've looked through a few pages in this thread and sorry if it's already been mentioned but take a look at the top left panel
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/621/10
I just want someone to clarify if the larger hand is baby Shirahoshi which seems sorta odd for a baby to do the pinky thing or if you think it's Otohimes hand.
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Who else can it be? Shirahoshi is so much bigger than her 3 brothers and mother, just like that hand is so much bigger than the other 4. Also if you look at the positions, the brothers are on the left just like 3 of the hands are and Otohime's on the right just like the 4th small hand and Shirahoshi's in the middle and the big hand is where all the other hands are going to.
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I just read this weeks chapter, and this flashback is awesome so far, but I think the real interesting event will be what leads up to the Sun Pirates disbanding.
The burden was left with Jinbei to head the Sun pirates after Fisher's death, but as we know he hates being a pirate. The only reason he became one was to protect Fisher on whatever journey he was on because he had admiration toward him. Jinbei is a a born soldier, not fit to be leader but loyal to the end. The WG probably offered him the title of shichibukai after he became captain by default. Of course the question is: what would Jinbei have done if he wasn't offered the position? I believe that he would have disbanded the crew anyway and gone back to being a royal guard. He saw the opportunity to use his ability to do some good for Fishman Island so he took the position even though he has no desire to captain his own crew. If you think about it Jinbei probably never really pillaged ships or done the same things that doflamingo and Moria relished in. Like Kuma he has more complex reasons for co-operating with the government. All we know is that he protected Whitebeard while he was shichibukai.
This crew of jinbei's that everyone keeps mentioning is probably non existent. Now that he's not a shichibukai anymore and he can't return to his country, he's pretty much a ronin now.
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IDK if someone mentioned that b4, cause I just read the first 3 pages of this thread, but did somebody see "John's Candy Shop" in the panel where Pandaman is?
Its on the left side in the panel.
Do u think this shop gets important again. Nevertheless we have now a Candy Factory controlled by a Yonkou and those ESs the NFP are using.
The way how Oda drew John's Candy Shop in that panel makes me think that it could get important in the near future.
At least its suspect to me how Oda drew it in that panel, IDK, it could also be just a feeling.
About the misunderstanding of Otohime giving a speech although she has CoO, I read it this way:
The minister wanted her to record that speech and play it out of megaphones so the Queen is safe at home giving the speech (like Vivi did in Alabasta).
Neptune said she could give the speech "live" without recording because CoO can protect her and he also said that she hates distance from her kingdom inhabitants. She is happy being close to her people.
Yet IDK what Neptune meant with those ancestors and that we saw the Noah in the background. Maybe the merfolk was exiled from the new formed WG to the ocean floor and the Eve Tree was the only place where light shined to the ocean floor and the merfolk moved there.
We will see about that when Robin finds the Poneglyph. God, I'm hyped bout this arc!
About the reason why Jinbe let Arlong go to East Blue:
He was offered a shichi-title after Tigers death, but Arlong was too cruel to be a part of Jinbes crew, so the WG said to release Arlong to a sea, where the WG doesnt care about. Jinbe suggested East Blue and WG was ok with that. So far this is what I think about that yet. -
He was offered a shichi-title after Tigers death, but Arlong was too cruel to be a part of Jinbes crew, so the WG said to release Arlong to a sea, where the WG doesnt care about. Jinbe suggested East Blue and WG was ok with that. So far this is what I think about that yet.
What? You are kidding right?
The WG cares a lot for East Blue, it was even an example for the other blues in how peaceful it is. Also, Jinbei seems more cruel in this chapter than Arlong with him mutilating the marines. Anyway, there is no way the WG has said anything of the sort because if Arlong was really that bad at the time they would've just locked him up in Impel Down or something.
More probable is that Jinbei's views changed because of queen Otohime and that he would like humans and fishmen/merfolk to get along better. The WG wanted this too and that is why they appointed Jinbei as a Shichibukai. To better the relationship between these groups. The WG once even stated that this was the exact reason why Jinbei could become a Shichibukai (plus his incredible strength of course). Arlong on the other hand was more extreme and would never work together with the WG, who are the once that maintain things like the auctions, slavery and the Tenryubito and that are the ones that killed Fisher Tiger. In fact I even endorse Arlong if this is going to be the case because how could Jinbei become a Shichibukai, a government dog, after all the WG has done to his kind. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely do not justify Arlongs' actions at Fushia Village, not at all even but splitting with Jinbei's group because of these reasons I can definitely understand. -
i don't get all the talk about how and what kind of birth she gave. ignoring the princess size, mermaids ahve been a mystery since forever on how they would give birth or you coudl even reproduce with them
don't know why you expect oda to answer this question
Neptune has some old seahorse genes in him. Case closed.
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for all we know they just spawn from the ground like some vegetables. This is a manga for young teenagers. . . It's sort of like Barbies, if you take away the clothes they don't have reproductive organs. The thing at the Kuja island with the mushrooms was just for the lulz
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What? You are kidding right?
The WG cares a lot for East Blue, it was even an example for the other blues in how peaceful it is. Also, Jinbei seems more cruel in this chapter than Arlong with him mutilating the marines. Anyway, there is no way the WG has said anything of the sort because if Arlong was really that bad at the time they would've just locked him up in Impel Down or something.
More probable is that Jinbei's views changed because of queen Otohime and that he would like humans and fishmen/merfolk to get along better. The WG wanted this too and that is why they appointed Jinbei as a Shichibukai. To better the relationship between these groups. The WG once even stated that this was the exact reason why Jinbei could become a Shichibukai (plus his incredible strength of course). Arlong on the other hand was more extreme and would never work together with the WG, who are the once that maintain things like the auctions, slavery and the Tenryubito and that are the ones that killed Fisher Tiger. In fact I even endorse Arlong if this is going to be the case because how could Jinbei become a Shichibukai, a government dog, after all the WG has done to his kind. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely do not justify Arlongs' actions at Fushia Village, not at all even but splitting with Jinbei's group because of these reasons I can definitely understand.Please, don't get me wrong:
We know Jinbe saw Arlong as trash and we know Jinbe was captain of the Sun Pirates after Tiger died.
We also know that Arlong left BEFORE Otohime died and maybe her death has changed Jinbe's mind.
He could have sent Arlong there b4 his heart changed and afterwards he regreted it so much "even if he died".
At this point, we don't know enough to hit the mark, we can just speculate and thats what I did.
East Blue is a safe place, I know and there are 2 more reasons the WG cares bout that sea:
A tenryuubito visited an island there and there is a vast bridge they re building.
But Arlong for sure was a thorn in the eye of the WG, so they wanted Jinbe to get rid of him if he wanted the shichi title.
At least thats what I think bout it.
If the villages were members of the WG, the WG would have never let alone the people there suffering under Arlong. So my conclusion is that the WG didnt care bout that island.
And also:
Maybe Arlong hated the WG, but he liked the marines enough to pay them for corrupt reasons.
If he really hated the WG that much he'd never stick together with that nezume (=rat) guy. -
Great chapter, I really liked Otohime's design, really elegant and regal.
Carrot, Pepper and Onion all wanna be Strawhats by the look of their sashes…
Dun. Dun. Dunnnn
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If the villages were members of the WG, the WG would have never let alone the people there suffering under Arlong. So my conclusion is that the WG didnt care bout that island.
And also:
Maybe Arlong hated the WG, but he liked the marines enough to pay them for corrupt reasons.
If he really hated the WG that much he'd never stick together with that nezume (=rat) guy.You do know he was bribing those marines so that they would be silent about what Arlong was doing, right?
And the WG didn't let the people suffer under Arlongs reign. They even sent a marine ship but it was sunk by Hachi, Kuroobi and Chuu.
Other than that the WG hadn't a clue what was going on at Fushia because the rat guy rather took money than actually end the suffering he knew was going on. -
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right, thanks for clearing that up. Damn, I just reread the entire Arlong arc and I already forgot. XD
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right, thanks for clearing that up. Damn, I just reread the entire Arlong arc and I already forgot. XD
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Oh. And I have the same guess that Jimbe & Arlong split up because Jimbe took on the Shichibukai position which Arlong simply disagrees ("disagree" being an understatement here). While Jimbe couldnt care less about Arlong so he lets him loose without further thinking about the consequences
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I think jimbei Became a Warlord to protect the rest of the crew after Fish Tiger Died.
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Maybe we'll find out in a chapter or two.
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I think jimbei Became a Warlord to protect the rest of the crew after Fish Tiger Died.
Maybe it was part of the deal…
Wow, that would make a lot of sense. That's why they never sent anyone to stop Arlong, and even when (I forgot the rank) Purin-purin came to the island, his orders were to rescue survivors from the destroyed village and leave Arlong alone. Purin-purin attacked on his own initiative, after all.
If so, Jinbe was responsible for Arlong's reign of terror lasting eight years.
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Wait hold up is it possible that Otohime's "Bitch slap" can restructure facial features too O_o
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It probably just hits them so hard and with such emotion that it changes their facial and emotional features. It'd be funny if it could do that like Sanji's kicks.
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That dude she smacked looked a whole lot better than he did before she started smacking him in the face
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He realized his mistakes.
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@Zik:
After Fisher dies I can totally see flashback Jinbe's reaction to Arlong saying he's leaving to East Blue as "The fuck do I care about what trash does?"
Boss Jinbe unleashes Arlong on East Blue
Not that quite, I more or less foresee a scheme very similar from Tom-san, for Jinbei.
And it's quite possible that in the end, the only 3 humans that Jinbei will have really "linked with" would be WB, Ace and Luffy.
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Not that quite, I more or less foresee a scheme very similar from Tom-san, for Jinbei.
And it's quite possible that in the end, the only 3 humans that Jinbei will have really "linked with" would be WB, Ace and Luffy.
Tom? So you're expecting something like Jinbe having to become a shichibukai and disbanding the Sun pirates and thus Arlong goes back to being the captain of his own crew?
Meh, I'd prefer to see Jinbe treat him like trash and thoughtlessly let him go.
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I had a thought about Den.
I was always curious what the people at FI thought about Tom,who was sure a well known ship-carpenter, but after they found out that he built the Olo Jackson for Roger, they may started to hate him for being partly responsible why all those pirates came to their island.
Maybe Den has to live outside of FI because of that and has now to live at the Sea Forest.
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It is kind of a weird place to live. Anyone else really interested in Den? Seems like Oda has all this stuff going on, that while I'm SUPER interested in this flashback, I also wanna learn more about Den. And the Ponegylph. And if mermaids can poop.
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@mdmartin101:
And if mermaids can poop.
I guess thats another one of the seven secrets Oda was once talking in his SBS..
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@Don:
I had a thought about Den.
I was always curious what the people at FI thought about Tom,who was sure a well known ship-carpenter, but after they found out that he built the Olo Jackson for Roger, they may started to hate him for being partly responsible why all those pirates came to their island.
Maybe Den has to live outside of FI because of that and has now to live at the Sea Forest.
As his little brother they may have banished him from the island.Not doubting you, but was it ever specified if Den lived in the sea forest or if he was just there with Franky? Good theory too.
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He's a shipwright. It's a ship graveyard. Makes sense to me.
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@Don:
I had a thought about Den.
I was always curious what the people at FI thought about Tom,who was sure a well known ship-carpenter, but after they found out that he built the Olo Jackson for Roger, they may started to hate him for being partly responsible why all those pirates came to their island.
Maybe Den has to live outside of FI because of that and has now to live at the Sea Forest.
As his little brother they may have banished him from the island.That does make some sense, actually. I also wonder how Franky was informed of a relative of Tom being present in the area in the first place; it's possible that he overheard a group of fishmen/fishwomen and/or mermaids/mermen having a conversation about him, concerning the infamy of his (Den's) brother (and the like), thus triggering Franky to approach them for further information, and etcetera. Then again, this is primarily rooted on mere fan speculation, so there's no exact evidence that this is valid, but still..
@mdmartin101:
It is kind of a weird place to live. Anyone else really interested in Den? Seems like Oda has all this stuff going on, that while I'm SUPER interested in this flashback, I also wanna learn more about Den. And the Ponegylph. And if mermaids can poop.
You know, now that I think about it, that is not so bad of a question as I had initially thought. Do mermaids defecate? Is it possible? And if they don't, doesn't that mean giving birth isn't possible either?
Not like Oda would answer these questions anyhow…
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um .. ok .. so this was the first chapter in months to really disappoint me. shucks. it felt rushed, redundant, and unnecessary. pretty much all we learned is that boss jinbe was ALWAYS called "boss." which doesn't make much sense to me. and that jinbe used to be a soldier, then turned pirate (a la hodi jones.) did that really need a whole chapter dedicated to it?
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You know, now that I think about it, that is not so bad of a question as I had initially thought. Do mermaids defecate? Is it possible? And if they don't, doesn't that mean giving birth isn't possible either?
Not like Oda would answer these questions anyhow…
Why wouldn't they? Fish poop just like people do. Oda's not gonna draw the asshole on a merman but you can be sure it's there.
Also, do you know anything about anatomy? Defecation and reproduction are not related.
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Also, do you know anything about anatomy? Defecation and reproduction are not related.
Never heard of a cloaca…
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LOL….WoW I shoulda been better prepared to click on that link. Was all "OH GOD!...Oh wait...ew."
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I think Den's role is a mystery, but it will be somehow important to this arc. For now he's just… there. He's listening to the story, and there was a panel with him thinking alone while Jinbe talked about Fishman Island's story that, at least to me, screams that Den has something to say or do in this arc.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I think Den's role is a mystery, but it will be somehow important to this arc. For now he's just… there. He's listening to the story, and there was a panel with him thinking alone while Jinbe talked about Fishman Island's story that, at least to me, screams that Den has something to say or do in this arc.
He's gonna re-coat the ship. The end.
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He's gonna re-coat the ship. The end.
Nah, his role will be bigger than just this. But it won't be a "big" role, like Jinbe's. I think he will just add something more to the story, probably something related to Tom, since Tom was actually living in human lands for years, and this is all about Fishmen and humans living together.
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I love how we've been talking and making up theories, but when someone asks "cans mermaids poop?" we're all like "whoa, why hasn't this been answered!"
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Great chapter so far!
Otohime is awesome, despite how fragile she is.
