Chapter 621: Otohime and Tiger

Mr. Sandman

@The:

She has Color of Observation and she was assassinated. Decken is what I'm predicting.

It makes a ton of sense.

Assassinations are politically motivated. Decken as far as I can tell doesn't give a damn about Fishmen/human politics. He's like the joker. The only motivation for anything he's done thus far is to get to the princess. Also I believe that Oda is not that predictable when it comes to things like this. I'm sure he'll throw us for a loop and it will be the person we don't expect, or it could even be some new random person. Also thus far there has been no hint that he killed her. When he showed up at the palace I'm sure Neptune would have said "damn you Decken, you killed my wife".

I suspect it was either a radical fishman or a radical human (most likely ordered by tennryubito).

@Nycprodigy:

I didnt need King Neptume to tell me that she had color of observation the 3-4 page when she dodged the gunshot pretty much explained that. And lol at the kid with snot only coming through ONE nose

I think it was important. Otherwise people would waste time feuding over whether she has it or not.

Nycprodigy

I didnt need King Neptume to tell me that she had color of observation the 3-4 page when she dodged the gunshot pretty much explained that. And lol at the kid with snot only coming through ONE nose

kagehisa

@Nycprodigy:

I didnt need King Neptume to tell me that she had color of observation the 3-4 page when she dodged the gunshot pretty much explained that. And lol at the kid with snot only coming through ONE nose

Oda just prevented another stupid thread from being made…

Spatial Piano

Nice chapter.
When Otohime taught the thief a lesson I was like:"Meh… Cheesy."
But whe she slapped the kid i was like:"I LOVE YOU MY QUEEN!" (Not that I'd like child abuse, She's just so consistent. :D)

Also where the hell did Shirahoshi come from?
AND
Were do I get "Frog? No. HIPPO."-shirts.

Zkaiser

@Nycprodigy:

I didnt need King Neptume to tell me that she had color of observation the 3-4 page when she dodged the gunshot pretty much explained that. And lol at the kid with snot only coming through ONE nose

I was really close to falling for your signature. That pretty clever.

kagehisa

@Spatial:

…
Were do I get "Frog? No. HIPPO."-shirts.

I want one too!!! Best shirt design in this series so far!!!

The Spaceman

I dunno. At the moment it seems like the best bet. We don't know much about Decken anyway, so either way it's hard to say. I want to know how you can assassinate someone who can see it coming. That's why I'm betting Decken.

Why does it say I need sixteen characters?

Hinscher

@Raccy:

Oh, ok. So I'm a troll now for saying that he messed up?

Isn't that like calling all the other forum members trolls for continually bashing on the plot-holes of the other manga?

Why does Oda get a pardon for his? That's what I wanna know.

its a one piece forum

haven't done any research into this yet, so not sure how big of a blunder this is if any. i don't doubt it being a blunder of some sort since its getting so much attention, but i think its getting blown out of proportion because a lot of the math and thinking is getting messed up by either wrong assumptions, mistranslations, but most of all the dealing with the 2 year time skip messing up math

Zkaiser

@Oksa:

By the way, Hancock said that she was 12 years old when she was kidnapped, and four years from this Fisher Tiger freed her. This means that she was 16 years old at that time. Because she is 31 now, it would mean that Tiger attacked Mariejois 15 years ago, but now it was said to have happened 16 years ago. A little mistake or what?

She hasn't had her birthday yet.

Robo Tussin

@Mr.:

Assassinations are politically motivated.

Is this supposed to mean what it says? Because it's wrong.

Laffite

I could have sworn fishes laid eggs.

THE SEA

Otohime is a masochist.

tatermoog

Wait, now I'm even MORE confused. I mean, HOW OLD IS HACCHI IN THIS PANEL?

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-1/one-piece/chapter-225.html

He could totally grab a doorknob.

geekialrage

anyone else notice how Arlong tells Jinbei to leave the unconscience humans alone?

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Cyclone_Baroness

@Duomaxwe:

Well considering it wouldn't be physically possible to do it in the way mammals do you're welcome to suggest an alternate idea.

Do it the same way some Sharks, Whales and Dolphins do it…
Posting without reading all the previous 18 pages cause I'm working...But this caught my attention enough lol.

Anyways great chapter. I gotta say I like the Queen a lot. I guess the princess got her crybaby like tendancies from her. Althogh they cry for different reasons.

I was surprised too about Arlong's commnent to Jimbe when he was pummling the knocked out human.

Zik

After Fisher dies I can totally see flashback Jinbe's reaction to Arlong saying he's leaving to East Blue as "The fuck do I care about what trash does?"

Boss Jinbe unleashes Arlong on East Blue

Demonicpoodle

For One Piece, this was a decent chapter, not fantastic or anything. I'm gonna wait until this flashback is done to judge. Anyway, I like how Oda managed to make what I would have thought to be a boring queen character a rather interesting one. Bone-itis can strike even royalty, it seems… Absolutely loved the cover, btw. "BUT THAT'S NO EXCUSE!" slapslapslap made me lol. And of course, the badass spread at the end.

edit: also, addressing a certain person a few pages back, Oda gets excused for small things because he has a track record of reliability, whereas manga that we bash tend to have a track record of unreliability. it's just like a long-time employee. if they break a few things every once in a while (within reason), no one is going to put black marks on them for something so small.

Flamin-Fist Ace

I feel like we already knew of most of these developments, but yeah it was nice to see how it actually happened. I hope we get to see some more familiar faces, perhaps another glimpse at Mihawk, Crocodile, Moria, Kuma and Doflamingo before their Shichibukai days?

ponyjc

I find it interesting that there is a "John's Candies shop" in the background. I wonder how big a deal Big Mam and the candy shop will turn out to be to this arc, if any.

I had also hoped to see Kaya, she should have made some progress on her career by now, feel like the cover is going slow if she's in the next cover (she could have been in this one).

As for the mermaid reproducing discussion, I had always thought they have babies when they split their tails. It makes sense although they could do it any way.

ponx

Like many have said, I find it rather "lacking" to not have it focus on Tiger. But then again its Oda's call if he deems it more important for queen Otohime to be established first, at least I hope this way we can get a full chapter dedicated for Tiger. Jimbe is very serious in this chapter dont u think? I dont think we ever have a panel of Jimbe laughing, have we? And that panel where Jimbe and Arlong heard Tiger is back, that made me smile. Arlong looked like a little kid excited hearing his big brother is back.
And I dont think the pace is "too fast", like when people were complaining about the pace was "too slow" right before the time skip. After its all over and we reread it, it all fits well.
Again. BADASS LAST PANEL

baby-boo

@SemiJuggalo:

. Speaking of Fisher Tiger, I guess his epic one-man-army attack on Mariejois was too epic for even Oda to illustrate.

My guess is that he just wants it to be a mystery. Would have been epic to see it, but sometimes it can be better to let the viewer think "how did he do that?".

Cyclone_Baroness

I imagine that a mermaid could just give birth like this. It'd be somewhere in the thickest area of the tail.

<–-Lemon Shark.

or this

<–-Beluga Whale.

baby-boo

So would it mean that there is a part of the mermaids tail that opens up? And at the moment is tightly closed?

Cyclone_Baroness

@baby-boo:

So would it mean that there is a part of the mermaids tail that opens up? And at the moment is tightly closed?

Yes. Exactly that.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@ponx:

Like many have said, I find it rather "lacking" to not have it focus on Tiger. But then again its Oda's call if he deems it more important for queen Otohime to be established first, at least I hope this way we can get a full chapter dedicated for Tiger. Jimbe is very serious in this chapter dont u think? I dont think we ever have a panel of Jimbe laughing, have we? And that panel where Jimbe and Arlong heard Tiger is back, that made me smile. Arlong looked like a little kid excited hearing his big brother is back.

Having the focus on those different views is something i rly hoped for.
Just following here in that flashback Fisher Tiger wouldnt have felt right. Its all about differnet opinions and ideologys, so seeing from everyone a part and how he developed his recent view is something which has to be more in the focus as "the brave adventures of Fisher Tiger".

ponx

@Don:

Having the focus on those different views is something i rly hoped for.
Just following here in that flashback Fisher Tiger wouldnt have felt right. Its all about differnet opinions and ideologys, so seeing from everyone a part and how he developed his recent view is something which has to be more in the focus as "the brave adventures of Fisher Tiger".

LOL. True, tho I wouldn't mind seeing "The Brave Adventures of Fisher Tiger" in a spin-off
But this chapter we see Otohime's view and Jimbe's perspective towards it. So I'm hoping we'll get something similar with Tiger's view in the next chapter.

What interests me is the fact that Tiger died because no humans would give their blood to him, that kind of situation would certainly breed deep hatred. As seen with Hammock, and Arlong I guess. But the hatred isnt that deep with Jimbe, and Otohime is obviously the reason for this. So I am more interested in her assassination then Tiger's death, I'm betting the assassin is her fellow fishmen. Kinda like how Gandhi is killed by one of his own (correct me if I'm wrong here)

Strawhat Chan

Does Oda really need to explain how Otohime carried Shirahoshi? Even he isn't rediculous enough to make Otohime carry Shirahoshi at the size that we've seen her in this flashback. She obviously just exponentially grew from a regular sized baby to a monster sized baby after a few months, that's the logical explanation.

The only thing you should be wondering about is how Neptune and Otohime had sex in the first place. Unless it was IVF.

Cyclone_Baroness

@Strawhat:

Does Oda really need to explain how Otohime carried Shirahoshi? Even he isn't rediculous enough to make Otohime carry Shirahoshi at the size that we've seen her in this flashback. She obviously just exponentially grew from a regular sized baby to a monster sized baby after a few months, that's the logical explanation.

The only thing you should be wondering about is how Neptune and Otohime had sex in the first place. Unless it was IVF.

I don't think he does need to explain personally. But having it explained would put a halt to silly theories. Also…If Ace's Mother could hold in a baby for an impossibly long time, Otohime can have a large baby.

And nobody said that the king was endowed.

And I'm irritated that I'm forced to think of these things lol.

Strawhat Chan

@Cyclone_Baroness:

I don't think he does need to explain personally. But having it explained would put a halt to silly theories. Also…If Ace's Mother could hold in a baby for an impossibly long time, Otohime can have a large baby.

And nobody said that the king was endowed.

And I'm irritated that I'm forced to think of these things lol.

Well, it's possible that Shirahoshi was a little big bigger than the normal sized babies, but not as big as she appears in this flashback.

bravewarriorofthesea

I don't like the queen as much as some of you guys do, she felt too goody goody. Maybe it felt too rushed an introduction for a totally unfleshed out character. Could any of you honestly say she measures up to the dozens of fantastic flashback characters oda has created in the past though? I still have hope for fish tiger..

ntk

@bravewarriorofthesea:

Could any of you honestly say she measures up to the dozens of fantastic flashback characters oda has created in the past though?

You can't compare that. We know Otohime's design for about 24h now, we know a part of her personality for even less time. She still has lots of room for development, so it would be unfair to compare her to characters from other flashbacks, who, inevitably, already are fully developed since they appeared sooner.

Desperado

Prediction:

Oda will illustrate FIs raid at the very end of the arc to answer certain final questions.

Kirby

Wow, great chapter. Was busy this week, so forgot about spoilers, so it was a nice surprise reading this week's chapter. Might try and skip spoilers as much as possible for the flashback. Soops excited for the next few chapters!

I reeeally liked the queen's character; passionate and funny. She made me laugh, and I'm sure I'll be bawling when she gets asassinated. This flashback is going to end rough.

Cyclone_Baroness

I think that with a lot of talk of the flashback going too fast, it could also mean that this gives us an overview. Then more can get revealed through the fights the Strawhats are going to have, and other various means.

Otohime

the NFP hate otohimo coz she used to slap em alot when they were kids!

RDarren

@Otohime:

the NFP hate otohimo coz she used to slap em alot when they were kids!

It's odd spelling your own name wrong.

Otohime

@RDarren:

It's odd spelling your own name wrong.

thanks for the signature!

huron

@Kirby:

Wow, great chapter. Was busy this week, so forgot about spoilers, so it was a nice surprise reading this week's chapter. Might try and skip spoilers as much as possible for the flashback. Soops excited for the next few chapters!

I reeeally liked the queen's character; passionate and funny. She made me laugh, and I'm sure I'll be bawling when she gets asassinated. This flashback is going to end rough.

how do u know she gets murdered?
found it in chapter 615,totally forgot

verivere

@ponx:

LOL. True, tho I wouldn't mind seeing "The Brave Adventures of Fisher Tiger" in a spin-off
But this chapter we see Otohime's view and Jimbe's perspective towards it. So I'm hoping we'll get something similar with Tiger's view in the next chapter.

What interests me is the fact that Tiger died because no humans would give their blood to him, that kind of situation would certainly breed deep hatred. As seen with Hammock, and Arlong I guess. But the hatred isnt that deep with Jimbe, and Otohime is obviously the reason for this. So I am more interested in her assassination then Tiger's death, I'm betting the assassin is her fellow fishmen. Kinda like how Gandhi is killed by one of his own (correct me if I'm wrong here)

Yes, Mahatma Gandhi was assasinated by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu activist who was angered by Gandhi-ji's attempts to unite Indian Muslims, Hindus and Christians during the (extremely bloody) riots sparked by the Partition of India and Pakistan. In other words, a Hindu extremist. So yes, the situation is somewhat analogous, if Otohime was assasinated by a Fishman, perhaps one of the Sun Pirates. Not that her characterisation is quite Gandhian. She simply hasn't been developed enough yet.

I've been wondering a bit as to how much of a role Jinbe had in her death. I thought at first that maybe he had a hand in it, but he certainly doesn't act like it. Maybe he found out about it, but was too late to stop it? The shock of realising that the Fishmen would stoop to murdering one of their own - particularly since he was oncewas part of Neptune's army, and presumably sworn to protect him and his family - may have been what convinced him to stop.

Sonic Youth

Macro killing the queen? God that would just be the darndest thing.

Cyclone_Baroness

@verivere:

Yes, Mahatma Gandhi was assasinated by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu activist who was angered by Gandhi-ji's attempts to unite Indian Muslims, Hindus and Christians during the (extremely bloody) riots sparked by the Partition of India and Pakistan. In other words, a Hindu extremist. So yes, the situation is somewhat analogous, if Otohime was assasinated by a Fishman, perhaps one of the Sun Pirates. Not that her characterisation is quite Gandhian. She simply hasn't been developed enough yet.

I've been wondering a bit as to how much of a role Jinbe had in her death. I thought at first that maybe he had a hand in it, but he certainly doesn't act like it. Maybe he found out about it, but was too late to stop it? The shock of realising that the Fishmen would stoop to murdering one of their own - particularly since he was oncewas part of Neptune's army, and presumably sworn to protect him and his family - may have been what convinced him to stop.

From what it sounds like. It's not much of a shock that the Fishmen/Mermaids kill each other. It'd be weird to have a lawless district where it didn't happen occassionally at the very least.

Strawhat Chan

Otohime probably let herself get killed for whatever reason.

verivere

@Cyclone_Baroness:

From what it sounds like. It's not much of a shock that the Fishmen/Mermaids kill each other. It'd be weird to have a lawless district where it didn't happen occassionally at the very least.

I think I didn't express myself properly - it's certainly not odd for fishmen or mermen kill each other. Otohime, on the other hand, is a symbol. She appears to stand for understanding, not just the humans, but those of her own people who need it. She is not merely a human apologist. Her people may be uncomfortable with her desire to get to know humans, but she is beloved among them for who she is - a queen who really, truly cares.

The Sun Pirates, I suspect - Jinbe in particular - treat her as a naive idealist (which is certainly true at least in part), but killing her is on a completely different level from sneering at her. Killing the queen who loves your people - and no matter what else, they know she does - is not the same as killing humans whom you hate because they enslave your people. A line was crossed.

Otohime probably let herself get killed for whatever reason.

Interesting you should say that. Returning to the analogy with Mahatma Gandhi, he faced four (I think) attempts on his life, and warning had been received of the stalkers who ultimately succeeded in killing him, but he refused security - he always believed he would die a violent death. Otohime's clearly ready to injure herself severely for a thief; it's not unlikely that she may have been willing to martyr herself for her cause. Her death certainly had a strong effect on Jinbe.

Maybe Otohime simply refused to fight back against her killers (possibly bitchslaps proved ineffective at getting them to reform - or they dodged). She probably forgave them with her dying breath, too. And smiled while she died.

Cyborg_Franky

anyone find the introduction of this macro char kind of intresting? i feel like he's the prime choice for having a role in Otohime's and Tigers death. and does anyone else think were gunna get a Fishmen SH common enemy whos prob human that VDD will likely side with to get the princess and give the fishmen a reason to trust luffy and hodi a chance at turning good?

Czechmate

Was put off at first by the wonky pacing and apparent lack of depth/explanation beyond text boxes in this chapter, and on its own it isn't a stellar one. But taking it into the context of the entire Fishman Island arc, which involves so many groups (NFP, Strawhats, Ryuugu Kingdom, Former Sun Pirates) as well as individual characters (Caribou, Vander Decken, Den, possibly Big Mam? and Surume needs to show up at some point) and more plot points to explore (development of Tiger himself, Tiger's actions against Mariejois, development of Arlong/Jinbei's recent history [which I believe is more important, for the most part, than their childhood history], Robin's discoveries which may or may not involve Neptune's comment about their 'distant ancestors' and so forth), it seems like a decent decision on Oda's part to summarize (maybe oversummarize) parts of the history that are necessary to explain, but may be less important. The sheer number of characters and plotlines weaving into this arc are huge, so much so that I would, even at this early stage, deem it as the most complex arc thus far with the possible exception of Enies Lobby. And it's likely we're only just getting to the meet of this arc anyway, so on those premises the slight underwhelmingness of this chapter makes sense to me.

And anyway, seeing Arlong interacting with Jinbei and Tiger is really cool (Tiger's shirt is hilarious). This chapter actually excites me more for the rest of the flashback and the rest of the arc.

dark knight

The way in which the sunny pirates were formed is touching to protect there saviour they packed up what they were doing and traveled with him all to protect him i have new respect for Arlong.

Hinscher

i don't get all the talk about how and what kind of birth she gave. ignoring the princess size, mermaids ahve been a mystery since forever on how they would give birth or you coudl even reproduce with them

don't know why you expect oda to answer this question

Riddler

Im surprised that everybody seems so annoyed that Oda rushed through this chapter. I think its kind aobvious why he did what he did. He started last chapter with the Sun Pirates already together, because it was a way better chapter ending. I mean, didnt it get you all excited, both "Oh yes, we are going into a flashback" and "Hell yeah, there are Jinbei and Arlong and Hachi and Fisher Tiger and even Macro, all together as the Sun Pirates, how cool". It wouldnt have been the same, if he had just started with Otohime slapping some people. Oda had to begin this way to get everyone really excited for the flashback and then used this chapter to flesh some things out and explain how the Pirate Crew formed around Fisher Tiger.

He had to rush through it, because he had to end the chapter at the same point the flashback began last chapter, or else everybody would have been saying "Why did he even start with the Sun Pirates together, when he then uses, like, three chapters to even get to that point again". This way, this chapter just gave some background information while the adventures of the Sun pirates still seem to be the main focus of the flashback.

We shouldnt forget that this flashback began with Jinbei telling the Strawhats about his history with Arlong. Of course, this flashback won´t be exactly the same story that Jinbei tells them, it will have a lot more details and be a lot more fleshed out, but it will probably focus on the same thing, mainly Jinbeis history with Arlong and Fisher Tiger. We may get the story of Otohime and her death, but I dont think it will go into even more backstory of Fishman Island or Fisher Tiger. I hope we will get that story in some way, too. But I don´t think it will be in this flashback.

triforcebih

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Jekkie

Macro and Marco are two different people