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Chapter 621: Otohime and Tiger
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Already out ! :O
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The timeline is FINE folks. The chapter started by going back a few years even before last chapter, and then spanned 6 or 7 years in the course of it. Kind of an odd move on Odas part, but…
We're now where last chapter ended, about 11 years before current.
Off the top of my head, so the numbers might be off by a year or two..
22 years ago-Hachi saves Rayleigh. Around the same time, Whitebeard begins protecting the island
16 years ago-The events of the chapter
15 years ago- Fisher Tiger frees the slaves, Sun Pirates formed
11-10 years ago- Tiger and the queen die, Vander Dekken targets the princess, Arlong goes to East Blue, Jimbei become shichibukai
2 years ago-One Piece volumes 1-60 -
The chapter was awesome! I absolutely love the last page! It's just epic! Oh, and…
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Maybe Shirahoshi was very small after birth but grew up fast. That still doesn't explain how Neptune and Otohime did "it". Wait. Do Mermen have penises?
Maybe I should stop boggling my mind with the "structure" of mating and think about the "energetics" of love…
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/58373218/7
Bottom Right panel…think she's related to the Fishman from Foxy's crew? I think his name was Capote.
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I'm surprised that we haven't had a Fishman anatomy lesson at all yet...like a PG version (though PG for Japan is more like PG-13 in the US which can be borderline R rated in some respects XD). I'm surprised no one from the SH's has commented on FI anatomy yet...Sanji, Brook, Luffy, etc. Well Luffy asked Camie if she poops so I guess that he's already asked his most important question.
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Fisher's got an epic shirt.
Also, how?
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One thing I find disappointing in light of the two recent chapters is the fact that Haachi didn't gut Macro, when he was caught, considering the history between the two. Haachi seems a bit too tame when looking back onto those chapters, and should have been really pissed off at Macro
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I must confess I was once guilty of having snot drip from only one nostril. Forgive me Otohime!
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I doubt Oda wants to think hard about anatomy. That's like trying to think up mechanisms of how cola powers engines…
Ah, does anyone else think Otohime is similar to the Death the Kid's (Soul Eater) neuroticism? She can't accept asymmetrical nose drips.
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/58373218/17
Wait….:Arlong actualy......did he just......didn't want Jimbei to fight unconscious humans ?
What is this ........?
God damn this was an awesome chapter. And that foreshadowing......
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Um, also. Tiger's shirt is awesome? Am I the only one embarrassed by Engrish on Asian clothing?
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Why would you be embarrassed?
Frog? No. Hippo.
Don't you see? Don't you get it? It's NOT a frog…it's a hippo....can't you see? Can't you understand??? No...you must still think it's a frog. =( You just can't see it as the hippo it really is. I'm sorry I shouldn't joke about such things. It's really not fair to you. I can't imagine what it would be like forced to go through life mistaking all hippos as frogs. That must be quite debilitating.
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@RobbyBevard:
12 years ago- Fisher Tiger frees the slaves, Sun Pirates formed
Nope, I think we know that was 15 years ago.
If I'm correct, Hancock was 12 when she's been enslaved, and has been freed 4 years later (ch. 521); and she's now 31 (SBS vol. 58).
You're right that I was missing a year, but still, Hatchan is at least 5 or 6 years younger than Arlong (since Arlong was 25 fifteen years ago, he was 18 twenty-two years ago, and Hatchan was a child at that time), and that seems weird to me, regarding the Sabaody Park picture.I'd love to be wrong though !
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So the ark's supposed to be use for migrating?
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Yeah …. like Noah's Ark.
It's interesting just how many parallels there are between Fishman Island and skypiea. Not saying it's a repeat at all just that a lot of concepts in FI are analogous to those of Skypiea.
The Noah district is sort of like Eneru's sky ark Maxim.
Also I'm really curious about these ancient ancestors, Noah, The origins of Fishman Island, and the connection to the Poneglyph / Ancient Civilization.
I wonder if this will be related to Vander Decken I / Davy Jones / The Flying Dutchman??? I mean that was one of my original theories...what better time to have some connection to the One Piece version of Davy Jones Locker?
See there's one thing that still needs to be tied together with this arc - The Flourian Triangle and disappearance of ships. I think that the giant monster in the mist must be explained - especially now that Lola is tied back into the story (most likely) through her relation to Big Mom.
I originally thought it might even tie in with Impel Down as the "Demoning Away" originated before Ivankov's imprisonment and formation of Newkama Land. The idea of being "demoned away" out of the prison could've been related to the idea of Davy Jones / The Flying Dutchman / Vander Decken lineage etc.
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About the voice here :
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/621/6
It may be the same as the one Roger has :
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2614-7/one-piece/chapter-507.html
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Um, also. Tiger's shirt is awesome? Am I the only one embarrassed by Engrish on Asian clothing?
I don't see any gramatical errors.
Also, does this mean the two ministers are also named based on their functions ? If so, what is the name of the other guy, who'se not Sadaijin ?
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I'm glad we found out some background on Macro, Jinbe, Arlong, and Fisher Tiger. I was really surprised that Macro had been kidnapping fellow fishmen before joining the Sunny Pirates (Why did you allow him on your crew, Tiger? Why?) and that Arlong had started an Arlong Pirates crew before joining the Sunny Pirates. I thought both didn't do those until after Tiger's death.
Are we safe to assume that the Sunny Pirates, after Fisher Tiger's death, only split into 3 factions? Arlong's (who's captured, save for Hachi and Mohmoo), Macro (who only has 2 crewmates with him) and Jinbe's (yet to be seen). No other captains from the original Sunny Pirates?
I also think the distant ancestors will link to the Poneglyph and after this arc, the fishmen and mermen will do as Otohime wanted and go to the human world.
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Frog? No. Hippo…epic.
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Maybe Shirahoshi was just born realy tiny and grew quick ?
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Shirahoshi grew a LOT in the first year….exponentially even.
Also didn't it seem Otohime already has a split tail? I mean this is unrelated to the "how" question..just saying.
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Hmm, so Jinbei doesn't have his scar yet, huh? Interesting.
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They can put them back together as demonstrated by ….....someone.......can't.....seem to remember......:ninja:
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\ and Jinbe's (yet to be seen).
hmm its a bit of a stretch, but I might as well link this.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/83002268/18 pay attention to our mystery friend behind Tiger.now look at this
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/58373218/16 look at jinbe's panel and see the neptune soldier next to himAs I said it is a bit of a stretch but that facial hair is pretty unique among One Piece characters and Oda does not usually draw beards on random people in such a small panel. It would make the most logical sense for "Jinbe's group to all be more reserved people who were former members of Neptune's Army, just thought the connection was interesting.
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Seems we'll be getting an even deeper flash back with Robyn and possibly Neptune as well. How exciting!
For a moment I thought that Fishman with the gun was a relative of one of the risky brothers.
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fyi I just read that Kubo quote and lol'd XD
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hmm its a bit of a stretch, but I might as well link this.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/83002268/18 pay attention to our mystery friend behind Tiger.now look at this
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/58373218/16 look at jinbe's panel and see the neptune soldier next to himAs I said it is a bit of a stretch but that facial hair is pretty unique among One Piece characters and Oda does not usually draw beards on random people in such a small panel. It would make the most logical sense for "Jinbe's group to all be more reserved people who were former members of Neptune's Army, just thought the connection was interesting.
You're right. That does look like the same fishman. Yeah, it'd make sense if his faction was with him when he was a part of the Neptune Army considering Arlong had his faction beforehand and Macro as well. Do you think the former slaves that Fisher Tiger freed stayed with Jinbe as well? I would think so considering Jinbe's attitude at the end of this chapter.
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I've been wondering if the one who killed Otohime / Tiger was a former Sunny Pirate…perhaps one of Jimbei's followers, which would explain why Jimbei's crew is not with him at the Sea Forest
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In Chapter 0 we see Hatchan was a child 22 years ago; so he is, at the very least, 6 or 7 years younger than Arlong. Yet they seemed to be of the same height in the picture showing them looking at Sabaody Park…
Glad to see I'm not the only one confused by this.
@RobbyBevard:
The timeline is FINE folks. The chapter started by going back a few years even before last chapter, and then spanned 6 or 7 years in the course of it. Kind of an odd move on Odas part, but…
We're now where last chapter ended, about 11 years before current.
Off the top of my head, so the numbers might be off by a year or two..
22 years ago-Hachi saves Rayleigh. Around the same time, Whitebeard begins protecting the island
16 years ago-The events of the chapter
15 years ago- Fisher Tiger frees the slaves, Sun Pirates formed
11-10 years ago- Tiger and the queen die, Vander Dekken targets the princess, Arlong goes to East Blue, Jimbei become shichibukai
2 years ago-One Piece volumes 1-60Yeah, but the other issue is that Hachi joined the sunnies right from the get go (16/15 yrs ago), and Rayleigh said he only joined 12 years ago and that's when Rayleigh and Hachi cut ties.
The issue is more of the age thing. 22 years ago hachi was only a child. He didn't look past 7 or 8 to me. Yet only 6 years later he's old enough to join the Sunnies and looks Arlong's age (25)? Even in Hachi's flashback? That's what's not making sense to me.
You're right that I was missing a year, but still, Hatchan is at least 5 or 6 years younger than Arlong (since Arlong was 25 fifteen years ago, he was 18 twenty-two years ago, and Hatchan was a child at that time), and that seems weird to me, regarding the Sabaody Park picture.
Yeah… it just doesn't add up at all.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
It's interesting just how many parallels there are between Fishman Island and skypiea. Not saying it's a repeat at all just that a lot of concepts in FI are analogous to those of Skypiea.
Yeah, I don't see the parallels that much aside from the 10,000 meters thing.
If anything I see more parallels with water7@Vongola_Boss_XI:
The Noah district is sort of like Eneru's sky ark Maxim.
Nothing in common aside from the fact that they're boats.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Also I'm really curious about these ancient ancestors, Noah, The origins of Fishman Island, and the connection to the Poneglyph / Ancient Civilization.
I'm interested in this as well. What exactly happened to the fishmen ancestors?
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
See there's one thing that still needs to be tied together with this arc - The Flourian Triangle and disappearance of ships. I think that the giant monster in the mist must be explained - especially now that Lola is tied back into the story (most likely) through her relation to Big Mom.
For starters, Lola being Big Mom's daughter is pure speculation at this point. We don't know if it's fact or not so we can't take it like that.
And the Florian Triangle is already far behind the SHs. -
You're right. That does look like the same fishman. Yeah, it'd make sense if his faction was with him when he was a part of the Neptune Army considering Arlong had his faction beforehand and Macro as well. Do you think the former slaves that Fisher Tiger freed stayed with Jinbe as well? I would think so considering Jinbe's attitude at the end of this chapter.
Ah yes, I did not really think of that. I would have figured that most former slaves would team up with arlong, but all of the ex-sunny Arlong Pirates were shown on the final page to be part of his original crew (besides this guy http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kaneshiro but that is the only Arlong Pirate with a chance of being a slave).
It may even be safe to assume that another one from their orphanage was sold in to slavery, instigating Fisher's attack. Something big had to directly impact Tiger for him to do something so drastic, he seemed happy with his life just adventuring around at the beginning of this chapter and he didn't say anything against Otohime's paper. I hope that Oda at least introduces a couple of new and strong characters in this flashback to keep things interesting, because as of right now I am not too convinced this crew would be able to handle something such as an Admiral attacking them, since I doubt the WG would just send fodder marines after someone who burned down their capitol.
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The Florian Triangle is close to FI. Giant seamonster thing could very well tie in to the destruction of something as massive as Fishman Island.
There are more parallels in that they are both long-lasting somewhat isolated civilizations with a connection to the void century and have a poneglyph. I dont' see any similarities to Water Seven in terms of structure of the isalnd.
Speculation or not, there's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that Lola is related to Big Mom. I mean, I acknowledged it's not confirmed yet already in my post. It may not be certain, but it's definitely not unlikely given all the evidence so far.
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I like Otohime, she'll break her fin off in someones ass (literally)! It's interesting to see a noble character who's willing to stoop down to the levels of common folk to teach them the error or their ways (even if it's something silly like a snotty nose). Also, seeing Shirahoshi as a baby, all I could think was "Wisky… Please" (Simpsons joke), though she was probably conceived like a regular fish. If so, then how big was the EGG???
As for the Fishman Pirates, I was thoroughly confused when Arlong told Jinbe to lay off the unconscious human. Obviously, there was a turning point that made him an even bigger dick towards humans, Fisher Tiger's death must have had something to do with it. Speaking of Fisher Tiger, I guess his epic one-man-army attack on Mariejois was too epic for even Oda to illustrate.
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@RobbyBevard:
The timeline is FINE folks. The chapter started by going back a few years even before last chapter, and then spanned 6 or 7 years in the course of it. Kind of an odd move on Odas part, but…
We're now where last chapter ended, about 11 years before current.
Off the top of my head, so the numbers might be off by a year or two..
22 years ago-Hachi saves Rayleigh. Around the same time, Whitebeard begins protecting the island
16 years ago-The events of the chapter
15 years ago- Fisher Tiger frees the slaves, Sun Pirates formed
11-10 years ago- Tiger and the queen die, Vander Dekken targets the princess, Arlong goes to East Blue, Jimbei become shichibukai
2 years ago-One Piece volumes 1-60Well, If Hachi/Arlong/Chuu/And Kuurobi are about the same age, that would make hachi 18-19 when he saved Rayleigh so that doesn't make any sense since he was clearly a child then.
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Not an amazing chapter overall…
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Fisher Tiger just casually strolls in after freeing the slaves? Bad Ass!
I'm assuming that Whitebeard only protected Fishman Island from other pirates, but as soon as the World Government wanted to storm the place for Fisher Tiger's head then Whitebeard said your on your own. So they had to leave and form their own pirate group.
That is one delicate looking queen. She looks like she would snap in half in a strong wind. -
Yeah, but the other issue is that Hachi joined the sunnies right from the get go (16/15 yrs ago), and Rayleigh said he only joined 12 years ago and that's when Rayleigh and Hachi cut ties.
Rayleigh: Hachi helped me out when I was stranded at sea over 20 years ago.
Shackey: He saved this man's life… and when he was just a young boy.
Rayleigh: We were good pals, up until he joined the Pirates of the Sun.^^ Stephen's script. Notice it says OVER twenty years ago and only "up until he joined". Not specific dates are given, unless I am forgetting something else. Remember Roger split up his crew what… two years before he died? That'd probably be about when it happened, so let's say Hachi saved him 24 years ago. If Arlong is 25 sixteen years ago, and let's say Hachi was 24, then he'd be 16 when he saved Rayleigh. Still an age someone might refer to as "a young boy".
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i like how oda quickly told this flashback so far, not delving too deep into the saving the slaves and who was a slave
keeps the meaning behind the sun true, we have no idea who out of the sunny pirates was a slave. we can tell a few that weren't, but none that are.
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Why Jinbei doesn't want that Luffy fights Hodi
I think Jinbei doesn't want that Hodi will end like him and the rest of the sun pirated back in the past and do the same mistakes which will even increase the hate between the 2 races.
Hodi is as Jinbei and the others a orphan of the district and is going the same way as Arlong and even Jinbei has done in the past. Jinbei learned that it was wrong and that it isn't making anything better.
But in the end Luffy will own Hodi after all
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It was good to see the Usopp pirates.
I guess we will see Kaya and Merry next week.
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Yeah, I don't think that 16 is young enough to be called a "young boy" - especially when he appeared as a child in StrongWorld. 16 is old enough to join a pirate crew. Maybe he was ten, and was 16 when he joined the sunnies, but that still makes it a big difference between him and Arlong. There was no way he could have been 25 or close to that 16 years ago.
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and looking at Reiyara's avatar they all appear to be around the same age.
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Do we know that Hachi saved Rayleigh after he separated from Roger? Or could he have saved Rayleigh when Roger's crew was passing by Sabaody / Fishman Island?
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I'm not liking how quickly this flashback is moving already. And I'd like to see a little more to Fisher Tiger's personality and the way he fights (I imagine we'll see that later). Nice to see Arlong, and interesting to see how badass Jinbe was. This was an okay chapter I guess. I'm expecting the next few chapters to be a lot better though
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Do we know that Hachi saved Rayleigh after he separated from Roger? Or could he have saved Rayleigh when Roger's crew was passing by Sabaody / Fishman Island?
you see Rayleigh w/ Shakky by themselves when Hachi went to visit him as a child. It didn't seem that he was part of the Roger Pirates at that moment.
The only thing that doesn't make sense in the timeline is Hachi as a child visiting Rayleigh and us assuming that that was AFTER Hachi had saved Rayleigh when he was out at sea.
Actually, no I'm trying to convince myself the timeline isn't messed up, but the more i think about it it actually is.
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So…could Arlong have been to Hachi, Chu, and Kuroobi as Usopp was to Onion, Carrot, and Pepper?
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Rayleigh: Hachi helped me out when I was stranded at sea over 20 years ago.
Shackey: He saved this man's life… and when he was just a young boy.
Rayleigh: We were good pals, up until he joined the Pirates of the Sun.^^ Stephen's script. Notice it says OVER twenty years ago and only "up until he joined". Not specific dates are given, unless I am forgetting something else. Remember Roger split up his crew what… two years before he died? That'd probably be about when it happened, so let's say Hachi saved him 24 years ago. If Arlong is 25 sixteen years ago, and let's say Hachi was 24, then he'd be 16 when he saved Rayleigh. Still an age someone might refer to as "a young boy".
But Hachi was shown to be small 20 years ago (now 22 years ago) in chapter 0.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c565.5/19.html
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
So…could Arlong have been to Hachi, Chu, and Kuroobi as Usopp was to Onion, Carrot, and Pepper?
That could have been the case but they still look the same age in my icon.
There's no way he's anything close to 16 here. He's just a child, he could barely reach a doorknob. Judging by SW alone Hachi is younger than Robin.
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@RobbyBevard:
The timeline is FINE folks. The chapter started by going back a few years even before last chapter, and then spanned 6 or 7 years in the course of it. Kind of an odd move on Odas part, but…
We're now where last chapter ended, about 11 years before current.
Off the top of my head, so the numbers might be off by a year or two..
22 years ago-Hachi saves Rayleigh. Around the same time, Whitebeard begins protecting the island
16 years ago-The events of the chapter
15 years ago- Fisher Tiger frees the slaves, Sun Pirates formed
11-10 years ago- Tiger and the queen die, Vander Dekken targets the princess, Arlong goes to East Blue, Jimbei become shichibukai
2 years ago-One Piece volumes 1-60Last chapter ended 15 years ago. But the next chapter will either work it's way up to 10-11 years ago, or start at 10-11 years ago. The end of 620 suggests that something important happened with the Sunny Pirates 15 years ago, though. Oda wouldn't have shown us that time if nothing happened then.
Yeah, but the other issue is that Hachi joined the sunnies right from the get go (16/15 yrs ago), and Rayleigh said he only joined 12 years ago and that's when Rayleigh and Hachi cut ties.
The issue is more of the age thing. 22 years ago hachi was only a child. He didn't look past 7 or 8 to me. Yet only 6 years later he's old enough to join the Sunnies and looks Arlong's age (25)? Even in Hachi's flashback? That's what's not making sense to me.
Don't forget to add 2 years to any date we got before the time skip. So, Hachi rescued Rayleigh 24 years ago and 12 years easily becomes 14-15. So, then it'd be about 8-9 years in between Hachi rescuing Rayleigh and joining the Sunny Pirates, putting him at about 15-18.
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hmm that's true so Hachi was pretty young 24 years ago or so when he saved Rayleigh.
Arlong:
Now - 41
Arlong Park - 39
Formation of Sunny Pirates - 30
16 years ago - 25
Hachi saved Rayleigh - 17Hachi
Now - 32
Arlong Park - 30
Formation of Sunny Pirates - 21
16 years ago - 16
Hachi saved Rayleigh - 8