Last week was a "double issue" right? Does that mean there's no chapter this week?
Chapter 620: "The Theme Park We Dreamed Of" Discussion
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What about Booker T Washington and D.E.B. Debouis. One wanted instant equality to help black people in the now, while the other wanted gradual equality, which would let everyone adapt and make things better in the future. Kinda the same as Tiger and Otohime
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Also Marcus Garvey sounds like Fisher Tiger sort of.
There are also parallels for India. There are always those who test patience for peace, and those who jump to violence or seperation to protect in the immediate time.
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No it isn't a double issue or it would have both numbers say 19/20 perhaps
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Last week was a "double issue" right? Does that mean there's no chapter this week?
No. We've two more chapters before Golden Week. We won't get a new chapter on April 27th.
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http://www.mangareader.net/103-56101-18/one-piece/chapter-594.html
Paradise is the nickname by which the people in NW refer to the first half of Grand Line. I assume Zeff was talking about that when he said that some people say that GL is a paradise.
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Do not assume that because that was not at all the context of the conversation.
They were comparing views of the Grand Line, with Yosaku talking about how horrifying the Grand Line was, and Luffy talking about how Zeff said it was a wonderful place.
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Speaking of context, something caught my eye during the reread of this chapter.
Jinbe was talking about how people turn cold and fearsome when in power.
On the surface, he's talking about the WG and their discrimination against fishmen, but what if it was also a callback to his own rise to power as the new captain of the Fishman Pirates?
Nothing but intuition here. It could be an interesting look back in context moment if it's the case.
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Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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I sort of thought that too when I saw that comment. That Jimbe was referring to himself somehow.
Also…I didn't realize they introduced Keimi really early on during Hachi's cover story phase. Although it's a pretty bad drawing lol. And some other other fishmen...Man he really plans ahead.
http://view.thespectrum.net/series/one-piece-chapter-619.html?ch=Volume+21&page=149
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@ultimateclima:
Speaking of context, something caught my eye during the reread of this chapter.
Jinbe was talking about how people turn cold and fearsome when in power.
On the surface, he's talking about the WG and their discrimination against fishmen, but what if it was also a callback to his own rise to power as the new captain of the Fishman Pirates?
Nothing but intuition here. It could be an interesting look back in context moment if it's the case.
I believe that was a mistranslation. I think the real line is something more like "when people gain power, they begin to fear change."
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i was looking at the link above…and i saw this
http://view.thespectrum.net/series/one-piece-chapter-619.html?ch=Volume+22&page=7
does anyone think that this "water" is related to the energy pills? to me, it seems that if there is a relation, then the pills are a more refined version, such that portion is controlled, rather than the water which would kill a person regardless. am i anywhere near a mark or completely off? thoughts? (sorry if this already has been posted)
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@Monkey:
Do not assume that because that was not at all the context of the conversation.
They were comparing views of the Grand Line, with Yosaku talking about how horrifying the Grand Line was, and Luffy talking about how Zeff said it was a wonderful place.
It was basically a contrast between people like Yosaku and real adventurers.Luffy: Before we left the restaurant the owner guy told me,
There are guys who call the Grand Line a "paradise," too!!
Heeheeheehee!!Zeff said that there were guys who call the Grand line a "paradise".
Luffy interpreted it as a way of say that Grand Line was a Wonderful place
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i was looking at the link above…and i saw this
http://view.thespectrum.net/series/one-piece-chapter-619.html?ch=Volume+22&page=7
does anyone think that this "water" is related to the energy pills? to me, it seems that if there is a relation, then the pills are a more refined version, such that portion is controlled, rather than the water which would kill a person regardless. am i anywhere near a mark or completely off? thoughts? (sorry if this already has been posted)
No not really, most probably there is no connection between those two
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Luffy: Before we left the restaurant the owner guy told me,
There are guys who call the Grand Line a "paradise," too!!
Heeheeheehee!!Zeff said that there were guys who call the Grand line a "paradise".
Luffy interpreted it as a way of say that Grand Line was a Wonderful place
But you can't know what Zeff means, Can you?We can't, but I think, in a case like that we can trust the data book one piece green : http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/68375012/17
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@Monkey:
We can't, but I think, in a case like that we can trust the data book one piece green : http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/68375012/17
I agree with you, my post was directed to Monkey King
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Yeah, mine too, but sadly we can't do a quote in a quote, so I took the last message of this affair ^^;;.
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@Monkey:
Yeah, mine too, but sadly we can't do a quote in a quote, so I took the last message of this affair ^^;;.@HikaruYami:
what does this look like to you?
You can do a quote in a quote manually. In fact, some users do all of their quotes manually (which is why those users don't include usernames in their quotes).
Even if you do not do this, it's MUCH less confusing and generally considered "appropriate" if you are quoting the post that you are actually responding to, not the last post in a conversation =.="
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Luffy: Before we left the restaurant the owner guy told me,
There are guys who call the Grand Line a "paradise," too!!
Heeheeheehee!!Zeff said that there were guys who call the Grand line a "paradise".
Luffy interpreted it as a way of say that Grand Line was a Wonderful place
But you can't know what Zeff means, Can you?So then the point of that conversation was a mistake. Yes, that is really a sensible conclusion, not.
It is like people forget paradise is an actual word as well.
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@Monkey:
So then the point of that conversation was a mistake. Yes, that is really a sensible conclusion, not.
It is like people forget paradise is an actual word as well.
What?
Read this
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@Monkey:
So then the point of that conversation was a mistake. Yes, that is really a sensible conclusion, not.
It is like people forget paradise is an actual word as well.
Wow, have we got a new round of joiners that are imbeciles? I hope that it is just you.
The fact that these two references were done using the exact same word makes it clear that it is a reference to Zeff's words from the beginning of the series. Oda LOVES throwing in these references.
And in the databook Green, it is even confirmed, as if we could not realize this for ourselves. It was a meaningful misunderstanding, not just "a mistake".
If this manga were entirely in english, you would have a point if it was not confirmed for us in OPGreen. But this manga is in Japanese, and they bothered using the English word paradise in both places, so you don't, and are an idiot OR a troll. I can't tell yet.
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Didn't that pirate ask Kidd (when he was crucifying them) to let them get back to 'paradise'.
I mean, I can understand zeff, but it was mentioned more than once using the same word in different situations.
Also the new world is part of the grand line, but people refer to it as the 'new world', and probably not because of the advanced technology in it.
What is Oden saying to WB?
Become my son Whitebeard.
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Perhaps he didn't mean it that way?
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Wonder if jimbei will enter the fight too… im sure he could stop hodi by himself if he did.. but then again we would not have a hodi vs zoro rematch or hodi vs luffy... anyway got to respect tisher tiger... took on the wg by himself.. wonder who killed him
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What?
Read this
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/68375012/17Do you realize those are compiled by editors? To my knowledge this is the case. Oda gives information, but they would put together the rest.
I am absolutely positive of this in regards to a section like that, that is just recaps and not secret info.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Wow, have we got a new round of joiners that are imbeciles? I hope that it is just you.
Big words from a 2006.
The fact that these two references were done using the exact same word makes it clear that it is a reference to Zeff's words from the beginning of the series. Oda LOVES throwing in these references.
Wow! The exact same common word! Unthinkable!
Oda often does these things on accident, read more SBS and you might know this 2006.
Readers write in and say "hey! this connection exists!" and Oda is shocked about it.If this manga were entirely in english, you would have a point if it was not confirmed for us in OPGreen. But this manga is in Japanese, and they bothered using the English word paradise in both places, so you don't, and are an idiot OR a troll. I can't tell yet.
That's a funny opinion from a non-Japanese speaker, that you seem to think the translation was so open ended that there is any significance in the word being "picked" from english.
Do you have even the slightest Japanese knowledge to be saying this 2006?
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@Monkey:
Big words from a 2006.
Do you have even the slightest Japanese knowledge to be saying this 2006?
Who cares if he joined in 2006?
And why don't you correct him then, Japanese guru that you so evidently are
I can tell everyone is gonna LOVE having you around the forums…
Ever watched One Piece on acid? it's pretty sweet.
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sigh Why must people get so hostile here? Join date does not equal intelligence.
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Who cares if he joined in 2006?
ahahaha, nice to know you literally randomly jumped in halfway into the conversation to pick whatever side you first saw.
Because you know, if you had actually started where it began you would have known he made fun of my reg date first. Nice try though "Stylishman".
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Anyone familiar with which chapter it is Keimi mentions her connection to Hachi? I was trying to verify something I saw on a cover page. Cause it looked like he for some reason sold her to Marco, then changed his mind. I for some reason thought he was totally against slavery.
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@RobbyBevard:
Luffy declaring the Island as his wouldn't do anything. He's developing the reputation and the power to back up his words, but he isn't there yet, and his crew has been silent for the last two years, and it snot his style to declare a place under his protection when he just wants to wander around having adventures. Later, close to the end, that responsibility will be his, and the power and support to do it will be his… but not yet.
I agree that it's not his style to declare a place under his protection, and I don't think he'll ever get like that, even as pirate king. He said to Rayleigh that the Pirate King is the pirate with the most freedom. Protecting an island is totally against that philosophy. It makes sense that Whitebeard did it, because he was more interested in family than becoming the pirate king. I don't know what the other Yonkou are doing, but it seems clear they're not having the same kind of adventure as the strawhats are having. Because of philosophy or story structure, I just can't see the Luffy tying himself to protecting any island, even Raftel.
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Personally I see Luffy rather protecting islands indirectly, rather than outright declaring it as we saw Whitebeard doing, or having islands in his "possession" as Shanks and Kaidou seem to do. Like say, it becomes well-known that the people on it are Luffy's friends and maybe even that he kicked the ass of some big-name Marine or pirate because they harmed people he liked, so no one will dare attack it. That'd have to be a bit later on, though, not yet for a good while.
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Totally offtopic, but is a law of respect and common sense to be considered with the people who joined before you, specially when the difference is a couple of years. Not an universal rule, but in most of the discussions they usually have more portion of Truth than n00bs
And to write sth ontopic…I sincerely don't expect too much of the next chapter. Or we get an amazing reveal - such as showing a marine described as "Current new Almiral, Whateverhisnameis - or we'll only see a very small and not very astonishing part of Fisher Tiger's story and personality
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Did Aohige already mention some possible mistakes in the translation? If so, then I kind of missed it.
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Totally offtopic, but is a law of respect and common sense to be considered with the people who joined before you, specially when the difference is a couple of years. Not an universal rule, but in most of the discussions they usually have more portion of Truth than n00bs
Which is why HikaruYami should ironically shut his mouth.
And to write sth ontopic…I sincerely don't expect too much of the next chapter. Or we get an amazing reveal - such as showing a marine described as "Current new Almiral, Whateverhisnameis - or we'll only see a very small and not very astonishing part of Fisher Tiger's story and personality
I love that in flashbacks, when we see others parts of the world during a time in the past. Like the Reverie meeting during Chopper's flashback.
Or even in Nami's flashback when we heard villagers yelling out that the "Fishman Pirate crew on Grand Line had broken up", which…well.. we're about to see.
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@Monkey:
Which is why HikaruYami should ironically shut his mouth.
Who the hell are you? I have been reading some of your posts, and you don't act as someone who just joined. You're too confident.
Regarding that argument, I would like to have Aohige's opinion, he can probably tell us if the words used by Zeff and the one in chapter 594 are the same in Japanese. -
Personally I see Luffy rather protecting islands indirectly, rather than outright declaring it as we saw Whitebeard doing, or having islands in his "possession" as Shanks and Kaidou seem to do. Like say, it becomes well-known that the people on it are Luffy's friends and maybe even that he kicked the ass of some big-name Marine or pirate because they harmed people he liked, so no one will dare attack it. That'd have to be a bit later on, though, not yet for a good while.
That's possible, but didn't Madam… (What was her name again?)... Well, something, predicted that Luffy would be the cause for FI destruction? I don't see the mer-people becoming his friends then... Unless he's not the direct cause, which we are still to see.
Anyway I don't see Luffy protecting FI, directly or indirectly. That is now Big Mom's territory. Comparing one to another, no one would care about Luffy's name next to Big Mom's. Correct me if I'm wrong in anything, please.
To Monkey King, where's your respect for a senior? It's true that it's not how long you've been on a forum that makes you better, but don't you think you're crossing the line?
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For the moment, the Green Data is our only source, and what it says totally contradicts your theory Monkey King. You shouldn't be that rude when you don't have anything to back your position.
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A recap section in Green is not likely at all to have been compiled by Oda.
Databooks routinely have editor involvement in terms of direct creation, some of the Dragonball data books are examples of this.
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The day you show respect or deference to someone based on soley on their join date is probably the day you should put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger with your toes.
Just saying.
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@Monkey:
A recap section in Green is not likely at all to have been compiled by Oda.
Databooks routinely have editor involvement in terms of direct creation, some of the Dragonball data books are examples of this.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56101-18/one-piece/chapter-594.html <– in the manga, Oda writes that those who have been to the New World call the grand line "paradise" ironically.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/68375012/17 <– Zedd apparently told Luffy that some people call the Grand Line "paradise", and whoever wrote the blurb explains that that is because compared to the New World, the Grand Line is a paradise.
So, why is there any argument about this whatsoever.
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http://www.mangareader.net/103-56101-18/one-piece/chapter-594.html <– in the manga, Oda writes that those who have been to the New World call the grand line "paradise" ironically.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/68375012/17 <– Zedd apparently told Luffy that some people call the Grand Line "paradise", and whoever wrote the blurb explains that that is because compared to the New World, the Grand Line is a paradise.
So, why is there any argument about this whatsoever.
Maybe if you weren't somehow behind the conversation by two pages you would have your answer.
Or maybe you skipped all my posts.
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@Monkey:
Maybe if you weren't somehow behind the conversation by two pages you would have your answer.
Or maybe you skipped all my posts.
broham, I read all your posts. The issue wasn't resolved. That's why I thought I should say something, since you are the one who is making a big deal out of something that should be obvious.
some dude said:
Paradise is the nickname by which the people in NW refer to the first half of Grand Line. I assume Zeff was talking about that when he said that some people say that GL is a paradise.
to which you replied
Do not assume that because that was not at all the context of the conversation.
They were comparing views of the Grand Line, with Yosaku talking about how horrifying the Grand Line was, and Luffy talking about how Zeff said it was a wonderful place.
It was basically a contrast between people like Yosaku and real adventurers.so yeah, someone said a thing that was a truth, and then you contradicted them.
and then you went on to imply that the information provided in the data book green should not be counted as canon, and that Zeff's use of "paradise" to refer to the grand line is a coincidence with Oda's later use of "paradise" to refer to the grand line.
but now I think the issue has been thoroughly run into the ground, so we can drop it, yeah? The green data book had the correct info?
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broham, I read all your posts. The issue wasn't resolved. That's why I thought I should say something, since you are the one who is making a big deal out of something that should be obvious.
And obviously you didn't read a word I said, you literally just repeated the very first lines of the argument again.
some dude said:
to which you replied
so yeah, someone said a thing that was a truth, and then you contradicted them.
Oh gee thanks for showing you have absolutely goddamn nothing to add to the debate because you're too dense to even see the point of disagreement.
I laid out plain and simple. Maybe you think I'm wrong, but you don't even seem to understand what I'm trying to say.
and then you went on to imply that the information provided in the data book green should not be counted as canon, and that Zeff's use of "paradise" to refer to the grand line is a coincidence with Oda's later use of "paradise" to refer to the grand line.
Yes, and then you blinked like a cow chewing cud and replied "this one turns to 11".
And what happens next is you probably repeat that ad infinitum.
but now I think the issue has been thoroughly run into the ground, so we can drop it, yeah? The green data book had the correct info?
How about instead you shut up with your "YEAH YER WRONG IT WAS DECIDED" bullshit.
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You're right, I don't understand the point you were trying to make. It sounded to me like you were saying that the green data book was wrong.
Were you?
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Can we please drop this discussion about the termionology of the first half of the Grand Line?
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