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    Chapter 620: "The Theme Park We Dreamed Of" Discussion

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    • Cyclone_Baroness
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      @dasia:

      Sanji threathening Jinbei to carefully think about how he makes his case especially if he has anything incriminating to say was one of the best things of the ch, sent the tension flying.

      It's not about him getting angry as a Nami fanboy but as her friend. If long nose was around am sure he would have said something too about her past before letting Jinbei start. Someone had to say something on Nami's behalf. Her saying it herself would sound akward though she has every right to do so.

      I don't feel anyone needed to say anything. If he just had that look on his face I feel it woulda made more of a statement. I thought it said more for Luffy not speaking than for Sanji doing what was basically expected. Being upset as a friend is fine. I personally just felt that threatening Jimbe was sorta pointless. Not like Jimbe was going to say anything like. "I kno I sent loose a crazed sharkman to a place with mostly women, children and old folks…But Lolz whatever guys. Past was in the past amirite?" Jimbe is a remorseful guy and he generally seems to be making up for his past in one way or another.

      adding in an afterthought If someone had to say something on her behalf. I think they could still tell Jimbe what he caused to Nami, but not threaten him in the process.

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        If it was not for Jinbei, Luffy would have died a lot. More importantly, he is the one who made him realize that after Ace's death that he did not lose everything.
        I was like WTH Luffy say something instead of drinking your tea.

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          Cyclone: Nah you see the two reactions reinforce each other: Luffy not saying anything and Sanji making the anger vocal. Sanji unlike Captain does not know Jinbei. As far as he is concerned he has to let this guy know about what his friend suffered as a consequence of his actions. And threat is a big word I used actually he just said I wont forgive you not I will beat you up to death.

          We still dnt know how Jinbei was in the past (him sweating in that panel is particularly suspicious) and what he is about to say. This served to set the atmosphere up for anything ugly we are about to hear.

          As for nothing needing to be said about Nami's past before Jinbei starts the flashback: What Dinty said a few posts earlier.
          edit: yes definitly if there was any steam to be let off about this it was now before we hear the reasons underlying everything.

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            I still think Sanji was the only one that felt angry though. Nami may still be a bit haunted by that trauma, and yes Luffy knows Jimbe to be a good person now. And Luffy like usual is looking at the person as they are now, not who they used to be so he wouldn't be angry at Jimbe anyways. Also with the "I won't forgive you" in anime lands usually means they will start attacking soon. So it's still can be looked at as a threat. What would be the point in getting all fluffed up and say that if he didn't plan on fighting at one point if whatever Jimbe said next didn't please him?

            I dunno. I will most likely always feel with that scene that it didn't need to be stated the way Sanji did it 😆. But yes, Sanji doesn't know Jimbe, so I sort of expected he react that way. I can still be disappointed by it lmao.

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              @onemoment:

              I was going to complain about how poorly timed Wiper's flashback was in Skypiea, and how well timed and set up this one is, then I realized something. Oda…he seems to have a pattern with these flashbacks. The always seems to interrupt an ongoing conflict and there's always the promise of action after the flashback ends.

              The skypeia flashback was timed just fine. Any earlier and we wouldn't have seen the mysteries of the island (like why the house was split in half, the maps matching up,) or had any context to why it was important or what was being fought over. Any later, and the ringing of the bell and the giant snake would have lost all significance.

              It just feels oddly placed because at the time it was the longest arc in the series and it came after we thought Enel was defeated… twice. And as an audience we were about ready for it to be done. (Of course, we've now had much longer arcs since, and its now only 1/7 of the series instead of 1/3.)

              Of course, it wasn't actually a Wiper flashback at all, he was barely even in it, and it was actually one of the strongest stand alone stories Oda has done, and its importance in the grand scheme of things is insane. (We're going to see that place in its prime, eventually.)

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                @Igosuki:

                So two things will come out of this flashback :
                1. Who killed Fisher Tiger, and Queen Otohime.

                I'm really interested in this question. Up to now, the consensus were that Fisher Tiger had probably been killed by the marines and the Queen by some human racist/slaver. But the recent development of this two figures having contrary approaches to solving the race problem, could give light to a "deeper" answer. Could it be, that Queen Otohime activly participated in the downfall of the Sun Pirates to ease the tensions between the races, (though its possible, that the WG had promised, that they would not kill Fisher tigher and later broke the promise). And that in return a former Sun pirate assasinated the queen for her actions.

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                  Cyclone: Yes Luffy wasn't and will not get angry towards Jinbei no matter what is said. Nami will mostly feel sadness like she has here. But anger is also a valid emotion to feel here, whether it is felt by Nami or another of the crew for her & the right moment to voice it was now.Eh. Her rough childhood will affect her whole life.

                  No he won't do anything serious apart from comically trying to land a few blows. Unless the reasons for Jinbei's actions at the time were plainly wrong. Even so, because Sanji will get to see what a person Jinbei has become during the flashback, he will just light up a smokey and keep it shut.

                  Do you want this or extended nosebleed crap, rejoice dammit :w00t:

                  Sanji499: True though Luffy interrupting sanji to say 'shut it this guy saved my life' would have been a bit awkward too. Like he's placing a higher value on his life than the suffering Cocobayashi (represented by Nami) has gone through & therefore will not tolerate anyone getting angry at Jinbei. Now if Sanji pulls this once Jinbei is cleared up I'll be the first to trash him.

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                    If it was not for Jinbei, Luffy would have died a lot. More importantly, he is the one who made him realize that after Ace's death that he did not lose everything.
                    I was like WTH Luffy say something instead of drinking your tea.

                    I completely agree with you.

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                      All I could think of after reading a great chapter like this was… where in the world is PAPPUG?

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                        Fisher Tiger wan't killed by the marines, he died 'cuz no humans wanted to give him a blood transfusion.

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                          Personally im not the greatest fan of flashbacks but i accept it is eccenctial to every story, this one could be intresting

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                            @Green:

                            All I could think of after reading a great chapter like this was… where in the world is PAPPUG?

                            He's probably hiding within the castle and will come to help Zoro, Brook and Usopp when we least expect it.

                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                @Samwize78:

                                Fisher Tiger wan't killed by the marines, he died 'cuz no humans wanted to give him a blood transfusion.

                                Yes, but that still begs the questions of
                                1)who/what wounded him so badly that he needed a transfusion?
                                2)why/where was it that humans were the only available donors, since any fishman would have willingly given blood?
                                3)is there a side to the story that the common fishman populace doesn't know about?

                                Given what a big deal was made abotu Sanji and his rare blood type, I have to wonder if maybe it'll turn out to not be a case of "no human Would give blood" but "no human Could give blood." And the fact that Otohime died around the same time apparently, and that Jimbei is in the midst of all of it, makes it all the more convoluted and intriguing.

                                There's also the matter of fishfolk and merfolk being segregated too, for that matter, despite the complete lack of care about them being born randomly to their parents.

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                                  So did zoro brook and ussop got taken by hodi too.. .i did not saw any of them escape.. anyway its not like a jail can stop zoro we saw that earlier…. unless the jail is underwater and even then he would probably find a way out...

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                                    Maybe he was on land and needed the blood but (like humans on the archipelago) they knew he was a fish-man and didn't want to. Like when the people found out that Hachi was a fish-man.

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                                      @RobbyBevard:

                                      And the fact that Shirahoshi died around the same time apparently,

                                      You probably meant to say Otohime.

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                                        @Deicide:

                                        He's probably hiding within the castle and will come to help Zoro, Brook and Usopp when we least expect it.

                                        Pappug does have not any fighting abilities but he is indeed small. Its true we did not see him with Camie and Nami.

                                        I certainly did not expect the flashback to be so soon. I wonder if it is a sign that this arc won't be too long. I think Oda has improved in terms of pacing since Skypea which was too long for an arc that was not deeply related(rather filler) to the main storyline.

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                                          About Sanji, I think is reaction is really appropriate, and I can't see how some one doesn't sees that.
                                          Remember, this is the first time he met Jinbei, and the second time he eared his name. Being the first time when Yosaku told him that he set Arlong loose. And one of the first things he says is that he is responsible for the Arlong incident. Knowing Nami, and being her friend, he made it clear that Nami suffered a lot because of Arlong, and for that reason he should pick well his words, or he will not forgive him.

                                          Now if what Jinbei made really is unforgivable, Sanji will most likely attack him. Obviously Luffy will stop him from hurting Jinbei, as he respects him. But wouldn't forgive him either, and would just break ties with Jinbei.
                                          But obviously after the flashback everyone will be crying. At least Franky will.

                                          Sanji's comment was just for Jinbei's sake, to let him know that his words could hurt the Straw Hat crew a lot more than he ever thought, because they didn't just fight with Arlong, they have a friend who suffered a lot in his hands. And depending on what he said, it could be something they would not forgive.

                                          It didn't seem like he was threatening Jinbei, and forcing him to tell the story. More like telling him to chose is words well, or not to talk at all if didn't want to be hated.

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                                            @dinty:

                                            But assuming that Jimbei was as principled then as he is now, then his options must have been pretty grim for him to decide that the least awful of the options would be to let Arlong run riot through the most peaceful of the Blues.

                                            Its always hard to chose between two decisions where both asrent satisfying and leave you behind knowing whatever i would have chosen instead would also caused much pain…(see for example "Sophie's Choice")
                                            It was an inner conflict at that time for Jinbe, where he had to chose to cause an open revolution(Arlong and his crew) and that the bond between fishman and WG could difted even more off, when he would have decided to keep Arlong with him.
                                            On the other side he had the opportunity to let this guy go and maybe by that Arlong could have had the chance to collect some impressions which could have changed his opinion as you said.
                                            Jinbe knew that each decision would have some consequences, but the chosed the one he hoped to maybe cause even no pain.
                                            I don`t think we can blaim him for that.

                                            @RobbyBevard:

                                            Of course, it wasn't actually a Wiper flashback at all, he was barely even in it, and it was actually one of the strongest stand alone stories Oda has done, and its importance in the grand scheme of things is insane. (We're going to see that place in its prime, eventually.)

                                            After first reading that flashback i thought.."uhh, okay that was now to much for the whole story to bring a nearly one volumne long flashback without even one currently active character in it."
                                            Then some time passed and I were able to read the whole arc in the grand context.
                                            Suddenly this flshback was such an important piece of the whole story Oda wanted to tell us , that i couldn`t believed that i was first bored of it.
                                            With this flashback we understood the whole reason behind Wipers nearly desperate fight against Enel.
                                            We understood why this golden bell was important for everyone in the whole country and we had finally the conclusion to the story told to us at Jaya.
                                            Bringing us such a deep flashback to the end of this whole arc was just for us readers to get that "wow, thats why this and that happened"-feeling.

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                                              About Sanji, I think is reaction is really appropriate, and I can't see how some one doesn't sees that.

                                              Appropriate or not. I don't have to like it :happy:.

                                              @ Don: It is funny how at the time of reading a flashback it can feel like forever and a half. But after re-reading you sorta breeze through it an go "Ahhh, I see."

                                              I think that the Skypeia flashback, for me anyways, felt like it dragged on only because I was more interested in seeing Eneru getting defeated. I did find the history to be interesting though, because it shows how much Oda plans things out and you get mysteries of the world explained, and some character background filled in even if you may not really care about said characters (especially if they are already dead and you don't have a chance to have the strawhats meet them).

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                                                Skypeia works better on second viewing. The first time the length of it, the momentum, the being apart from the world government, and the history and scope are really different compared to what OP had done before. But time has put it all into better context, and its much easier on a second read through because you don't just want to just get to the end of Enel's story.

                                                It was my least favorite arc the first time, (I actually SKIPPED the flashback the first time!) and now its probably my favorite arc after Drum. Its a lot better in one sitting than it is over 2 years.

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                                                  If it was not for Jinbei, Luffy would have died a lot. More importantly, he is the one who made him realize that after Ace's death that he did not lose everything.
                                                  I was like WTH Luffy say something instead of drinking your tea.

                                                  I think he might invite him to his crew so he is waiting them to share their feelings for good or bad.
                                                  But can we expect this kind of thing from Luffy?

                                                  And about Skypiea Arc. I'm saddened there are people who dislike it. And as mentioned above, the depth added from flashbacks are amazing.
                                                  I mean not only manga-story-wise, it was actually amazing in whole other aspects.
                                                  And I'm finding Skypiea Arc better than Avatar itself.

                                                  Norlang's story itself is a great idea. With his great-great-great grand son wanting to prove his words.

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                                                    I don't think Jimbe would work w/ the Straw Hats since he was a former Shichibukai. Isn't he stronger than Luffy? But then again, if Oda-Sensei is planning on having a new crew member join the Straw Hats, then I don't know who it would be. Camie? Hachi?? Or will we be introduced to a new character???

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                                                      I think he might invite him to his crew so he is waiting them to share their feelings for good or bad.
                                                      But can we expect this kind of thing from Luffy?

                                                      And about Skypiea Arc. I'm saddened there are people who dislike it. And as mentioned above, the depth added from flashbacks are amazing.
                                                      I mean not only manga-story-wise, it was actually amazing in whole other aspects.
                                                      And I'm finding Skypiea Arc better than Avatar itself.

                                                      Norlang's story itself is a great idea. With his great-great-great grand son wanting to prove his words.

                                                      I think Sanji is being too hard on Jinbei. The cook did not whine when Robin joined when she was in part responsible for the Alabasta tragedy and Vivi's suffering. She did save Luffy twice as well.
                                                      I think the ex schibukai did even more because he helped Luffy to get a grip. I guess we will see what's next.

                                                      I admit that I did not like Skypea on the first read. On my second take with anime, it was a lot more fun than I remembered. There were tons of funny moments and I finally liked the flashback. Gedatsu made me laugh so hard and his fight was hysterical. He was my favourite villain of this arc. However, I think fans would have loved this arc more if it was not too long.

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                                                        I think Sanji is being too hard on Jinbei. The cook did not whine when Robin joined when she was in part responsible for the Alabasta tragedy and Vivi's suffering. She did save Luffy twice as well.

                                                        Sanji has a blind spot for women, he just doesn't hold them responsible for anything.

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                                                          Arlong Park looks like Sabaody Park … my mind ... has officially been blown ...

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                                                            You can still get good depth of character without a flashback. Like I said, some text heavy panels describing these characters would do them enough justice in my mind.

                                                            Late to the party, but with all the mentions of Skypiea I just want to point out Norland as a character.

                                                            Think about how you felt about him
                                                            1)When we heard the storybook from Nami.
                                                            2)When Cricket "told" his story to the Strawhats.
                                                            3)After the flashback

                                                            Flashbacks really do more than just telling the story would. The phrase "This is the story of Norland the Liar" changed significantly at each point during my reread of that arc.

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                                                              @Darkestsith6:

                                                              Clearly, you have some reading comprehension disabilities. I don't mind long drawn out stuff, as long as it is happening with the Strawhat characters. I'm one of those guys that thinks this arc is moving too fast, and hoped it would've progressed slower. However, I prefer the content to be more heavily on the Strawhats because those are the characters I read the series for. Not some side chars that I'll forget 1 chapter after the arc ends.

                                                              So, you are anti-world building. Why? This in itself is a terrible opinion, especially from a person who is a fan of a series that is notable for its world building. That's like me buying a Beatles album and complaining about it being rock music.

                                                              Why are you doing reading One Piece if not for the adventure and discovery of new things as we go along? Seriously though, I completely recommend that you read Bleach. It's right up your alley.

                                                              You can still get good depth of character without a flashback. Like I said, some text heavy panels describing these characters would do them enough justice in my mind.

                                                              I'm one of those guys that thinks this arc is moving too fast, and hoped it would've progressed slower.

                                                              some text heavy panels describing these characters would do them enough justice in my mind.

                                                              this arc is moving too fast

                                                              some text heavy panels describing these characters would do them enough justice in my mind.

                                                              "Yo guys, who else thinks way too much is happening in each chapter right now? Who's with me? Nobody? Well, I think it would be great if Oda could just shove tons of information down our throat at once!"

                                                              Considering both characters are dead, yes they will entirely become irrelevant as the series progresses except for some passive mentioning of them.

                                                              Are you seriously saying that you think Fisher Tiger is going to become irrelevant after this arc? I could believe Otohime MIGHT become irrelevant, but Fisher Tiger? Really? The guy that crafted the lives of 2 of the schichibukai, the same 2 who also happen to be Luffy's closest allies not in his crew, he'll become irrelevant? The man who invaded World Government headquarters and attacked the World Nobles, he's going to become irrelevant? The man who declared war against the World Government, something you may not have noticed has become a primary conflict in the series, will become irrelevant? How about you rethink your terrible stance?

                                                              You may not have noticed this, but the entire plot of One Piece is based around a dead guy's last words. I don't know why you would think that Oda would ever write this flashback if it weren't going to be relevant to the story.

                                                              Also, why are you acting like this flashback is only going to show Fisher Tiger and Otohime? Yes, it will probably have a large focus on them, but Jinbe (who isn't dead) right on the first page of the flashback, not to mentio the 7 other fishmen that we already know (all of which are also not dead).

                                                              Congrats dude, you're e-hard. Good luck getting by in life with such an attitude. A word of advice, though I doubt you'll heed it considering the way you've already reacted, change the way you respond to beliefs that go against your own. Take it in for what it's worth, and don't automatically dismiss something because you think it's wrong. Not everyone is wired or tuned the same way, and you'll see a wide array of opinions on every subject.

                                                              Yup, I'm sure I'll see opinions that span all the way from "amazing" to "terrible", yours unfortunately fell closer to the "terrible" end of the spectrum and I felt that you should know.

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                                                                I'm expecting Hordy in this chapter, as a small cutie kiddo!

                                                                Who exactly is Mumbo?

                                                                It's OFFICIAL, UsoppXNami 4ever.

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                                                                  @Darkestsith6:

                                                                  Clearly, you have some reading comprehension disabilities. I don't mind long drawn out stuff, as long as it is happening with the Strawhat characters. I'm one of those guys that thinks this arc is moving too fast, and hoped it would've progressed slower. However, I prefer the content to be more heavily on the Strawhats because those are the characters I read the series for. Not some side chars that I'll forget 1 chapter after the arc ends.

                                                                  You can still get good depth of character without a flashback. Like I said, some text heavy panels describing these characters would do them enough justice in my mind.

                                                                  Considering both characters are dead, yes they will entirely become irrelevant as the series progresses except for some passive mentioning of them.

                                                                  Congrats dude, you're e-hard. Good luck getting by in life with such an attitude. A word of advice, though I doubt you'll heed it considering the way you've already reacted, change the way you respond to beliefs that go against your own. Take it in for what it's worth, and don't automatically dismiss something because you think it's wrong. Not everyone is wired or tuned the same way, and you'll see a wide array of opinions on every subject.

                                                                  I'll be glad to debate this with you more, but won't hesitate to just ignore your comments from henceforth if this is how you conduct yourself. Despite being the internet, this is still a community, and the better you conduct yourself, the better time everyone will have.

                                                                  But he's right because your opinion is extremely silly. You just seem lazy, like you want to zoom by things you do not like even though they are important.
                                                                  And you pretend they are unimportant even though they are very obviously important if you would even check for a second.

                                                                  And at worst they would still be a really good story anyway, slow down buddy, we don't need to care only about where the end is, but enjoy the trip too.

                                                                  Also I am more bothered in a community by when people are whining about things we are all enjoying, unless they have a very good reason. But so far you are not making sense so it is just kind of like you're a party pooper.

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                                                                    The Fisher Tiger-Otohime development gives me a strange Malcolm X-Martin Luther King vibe. Hmm…

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                                                                      You're not the first one dude.

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                                                                        That is pretty serious stuff for Oda to deal with, but that is why I like One Piece. He'll handle it well.

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                                                                          I'm expecting Hordy in this chapter, as a small cutie kiddo!

                                                                          He'll probably be a little Damien like lucci. Wouldn't surprise me if he was the type that tortured animals at a young age.

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                                                                            Oda just blew my fucking mind with this chapter.

                                                                            -Gaimon and Sarfunkel… It took me a sec to see what Oda did there, but I LOL'ed anyway.
                                                                            -The New Fishman Pirates are already beginning their takeover of the island and I had no idea that Ikaros Muhhi was so damn big. Also, I can't wait to see Zeo and Hyozo in action!
                                                                            -Sanji getting serious about the Jinbe/Arlong situation was pretty cool (not to mention the hilarity of him passing the third teacup with his foot after holding it in his hand seconds before)
                                                                            -Also, the additional looks at Nami's past were a great touch. I got a bit emotional when it showed that Arlong's henchmen pretty much fed her scraps and when she got shot in the arm by the pirates she robbed.
                                                                            -Regarding Queen Otohime and Fisher Tiger, they obviously had opposing viewpoints as to how to handle the discrimination from humans. We know how FT died but I wonder what happened to the queen.
                                                                            -Finally, the true significance of Arlong Park makes so much sense it's almost scary (I read the livejournal link someone posted before)!

                                                                            LOL@ Luffy drinking Nami's tea. Odds are he's gonna completely ignore almost every aspect of Jinbe's story and focus on the main details. It'll be just like when Vivi told the Straw Hats about the crisis in Alabasta, all he cared about was the big picture: CROCODILE. Hell, he wasn't even interested in Nami's life story, all he knew was that she was in trouble and some asshole named Arlong made her cry.

                                                                            I can't wait to see the significance this flashback will hold for the present.

                                                                            BUY UNCUT ONE PIECE DVDs!!!

                                                                            M. Night Shyamalan deserves a sound ass-whooping for his crimes against fans of Avatar: The Last Airbender!

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                                                                              Love Jimbeis white hair he had back in the day

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                                                                                Damn, while making my post I forgot to mention Kuroobi's epic afro!

                                                                                BUY UNCUT ONE PIECE DVDs!!!

                                                                                M. Night Shyamalan deserves a sound ass-whooping for his crimes against fans of Avatar: The Last Airbender!

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                                                                                  I am kinda of glad to have predicted that Caribou will set his eyes on the princess. I wonder if he is gonna team up with Hodi in order to kidnap her more easily. He cannot take on Luffy and Sanji at the same time.
                                                                                  He might be even interested to kill the SH to get their bounty.

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                                                                                    I don't think Hody would team up with a human in any way, especially a slaver. Unless Caribou becomes his subordinate, and at that point he wouldn't let him leave the island at all.

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                                                                                      Thats true. I can see Caribou waiting for the right moment to capture the princess. Maybe he will make his move when the Straw hats are busy with the NFP.

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                                                                                        I want to see Caribou get into a real fight, preferably with a fishman as most of the SHs could probably deal with him without anything too interesting happening.

                                                                                        √ or X?

                                                                                        1\. Rayleigh dies (?) 2\. Jimbei Joins (?), 3\. Buggy offered shichibukai (?)

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                                                                                          So is it Hodie or Hordy ?

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                                                                                            I want to see Caribou get into a real fight, preferably with a fishman as most of the SHs could probably deal with him without anything too interesting happening.

                                                                                            I dunno… the guy does have a very big bounty, so I don't think he would be a pushover. While I do think Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are stronger than him, he's also cunning and devious enough to get some advantage over them.

                                                                                            I don't know what kind of role Caribou will have in this arc. Something tells me that maybe he will kidnap the princess and take her over somewhere else while the Strawhats deal with the NFP, thus connecting this arc to the next (a rescue arc that could lead the story back into the unresolved slavery theme). So Caribou, would be a villain for another arc, not this one.

                                                                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                              I kinda don't want a multi arc spanning rescue arc. Again.

                                                                                              And from personal reasons, especialy not one involving females/the princess.

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                                                                                                I kinda don't want a multi arc spanning rescue arc. Again.

                                                                                                And from personal reasons, especialy not one involving females/the princess.

                                                                                                I know, but it's a possibility. And Caribou doesn't seem to "belong" in this arc, so even if my theory is wrong, he may tie into another future arc.

                                                                                                Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                                                  I think he might just get horribly foiled at the last moment by reason of his own mermaid kidnaping. He already made the general public think the SH's did it.

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                                                                                                    Caribou seems to be a bit too much of a complex character just for the purpose of tagging the SHs as kidnappers.

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                                                                                                      I am kinda of glad to have predicted that Caribou will set his eyes on the princess. I wonder if he is gonna team up with Hodi in order to kidnap her more easily. He cannot take on Luffy and Sanji at the same time.
                                                                                                      He might be even interested to kill the SH to get their bounty.

                                                                                                      With regards to Caribou, I can see him possibly allying himself with Vander Decken (particularly now that the latter's "offer" of marriage has been shot down), but Hodi would suffer a great deal of motive decay to ally himself, even covertly, with the man who is essentially personifies the very facet of humanity that Otohime, Tiger, Jinbei, Arlong, and Hodi himself have been fighting against for years, all conflicts of methodology aside. If anything, I can see Hodi allying with Luffy to bring down Caribou, though probably not without a mid-to-late arc beat down to make Hodi reflect on his methods first.

                                                                                                      For Hodi to ally with Caribou, I can only see it being don in secret, so that Hodi can then hunt down and rescue Shirahoshi and the other mermaids in an effort to gain public support, but while his current alliance with Decken implies that he's not too concerned with Shirahoshi's well being (tied as she is to the Neptune/Otohime structure he's trying to tear down), I cannot see Hodi being willing to ally with a human slaver to achieve his goals because Caribou's character is precisely that which everyone involved in the "Fishman Rights" movement has been struggling with from the start. To ally himself with Caribou would be to betray Hodi's very belief system, and make him appear more interested in political power itself than in advancing his views of Fishman Rights, perverted though they may be. This conflicts with his willingness to shorten his life-span through Energy Steroid usage, advancing his belief system even at an ever-increasing cost to his lifespan.

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                                                                                                        Not like Oda hasn't shafted a character before.

                                                                                                        Plus Caribou might re-apear later with his crew.

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