@Bond:
Cause you can't charge a ninja iPhone in the middle of a forest.
Well yeah if you don't have lighting release jutsus:ninja:
Bart Simpson Thread XI: The Movie - The Manga Adaption - The Animation
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They also have Nintendo DS apparently.
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What a good episode. There was so much nostalgia in it–the antics really reminded me of former Naruto and we got the treat of finally seeing Naruto's face. How bittersweet that everything's ending. I'm glad that Naruto ended in a satisfactory manner and tying up loose ends like this is a great way to do it.
Also, Rock Lee didn't use the shadow clone. Kakashi had his shadow clones transform into their team.
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@Mr.:
Also, Rock Lee didn't use the shadow clone. Kakashi had his shadow clones transform into their team.
& then went on to mimic their voices & have conversations with his clones aka himself
damn, Kakashi have some serious issues
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if anyone still care
http://mangastream.com/r/boruto/004/3589/1
this covers up to about 1 hour of the movie, so I'm guessing we will have 2 or 3 more chapters of this before getting new content
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Son….I am disappoint!
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I'm genuinely surprised there's people out there who prefer reading Boruto the movie as aposed to watching it, the movie is better in every way possible. Why torcher yourself with a half assed adaption?
Working process.
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@Mr.:
I'm genuinely surprised there's people out there who prefer reading Boruto the movie as aposed to watching it, the movie is better in every way possible. Why torcher yourself with a half assed adaption?
There are ceratinly not people out there who prefer to read this than watch the movie and this is not exactly an adaptation of the movie. It is the plot of the movie that is somehow included in this.
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@Mr.:
I'm genuinely surprised there's people out there who prefer reading Boruto the movie as aposed to watching it, the movie is better in every way possible. Why torcher yourself with a half assed adaption?
Because a couple of minutes on mangastream after I finish my other weekly manga is a lot more convenient than tracking down a 90+ minute movie that I probably won't like anyway.
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Sasuke working for peace and Naruto doesn't give a shit about Hinata feelings and boobs, just care for the brocoli and how he cheats to win, like in a ninja world, cheating is forbidden.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
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So, the Naruto that came home to congratulate Boruto. Was that the real one or a Shadow Clone?
@Shobu:
Sasuke working for peace and Naruto doesn't give a shit about Hinata feelings and boobs, just care for the brocoli and how he cheats to win, like in a ninja world, cheating is forbidden.
What?
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What?
It takes an effort, but I think "brocoli" is supposed to be Boruto and he is saying Naruto doesn't care about how Hinata feels, only about reprimanding Boruto for cheating even though cheating is not actually forbidden in the ninja world.I don't know how Hinata has anything to do with this, but the last point is a good one, even more with we remember one of the tests Naruto had in his chuunin exam everyone was supposed to cheated in order to pass - they were actually expected to do it skilfully as it was one of the abilities required to be a good ninja.
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@.access:
It takes an effort, but I think "brocoli" is supposed to be Boruto and he is saying Naruto doesn't care about how Hinata feels, only about reprimanding Boruto for cheating even though cheating is not actually forbidden in the ninja world.
I don't know how Hinata has anything to do with this, but the last point is a good one, even more with we remember one of the tests Naruto had in his chuunin exam everyone was supposed to cheated in order to pass - they were actually expected to do it skilfully as it was one of the abilities required to be a good ninja.
While it is definitely true that cheating and deception is an essential characteristic of a ninja, the difference is that the paper test relied on each Genin's own merits in Jutsu technique while making sure to not telegraph their actions to the proctors. Meanwhile, with Boruto, he's relying on the Kote as a crutch. If he gets into a situation where it's stolen or, say, if there are metal detectors (they have laptops already, so why not lol), then he's screwed. Not to mention the unfair advantage in having abilities that he neither earned nor harnessed to their full potential. And it goes even deeper than that to the point that relying on the Kote would limit Boruto in the long run by staggering his creativity on considering the application of his moves in situational context as well as putting new spins or interpretations of Jutsus to accomplish all new effectiveness in versatility, as seen in how Naruto learned the Rasengan in his own unique style using Shadow Clones as well as also using that technique to create the Rasenshuriken. Yes, they were supposed to cheat skillfully in the original exam, but at least it was by their own actual SKILLS compared to Boruto. And before anyone mentions it, Kiba using Food Pills can also be described as a bit of a crutch, but it at least only amplifies his abilities instead of giving him completely new ones to make up for lacking general talent out of lack of effort.
However, the writing does such a lazy job at actually explaining and demonstrating the logic of why such a device is taboo for the ninja society in the movie that any of this hardly even matters lol.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
While it is definitely true that cheating and deception is an essential characteristic of a ninja, the difference is that the paper test relied on each Genin's own merits in Jutsu technique while making sure to not telegraph their actions to the proctors. Meanwhile, with Boruto, he's relying on the Kote as a crutch. If he gets into a situation where it's stolen or, say, if there are metal detectors (they have laptops already, so why not lol), then he's screwed. Not to mention the unfair advantage in having abilities that he neither earned nor harnessed to their full potential. And it goes even deeper than that to the point that relying on the Kote would limit Boruto in the long run by staggering his creativity on considering the application of his moves in situational context as well as putting new spins or interpretations of Jutsus to accomplish all new effectiveness in versatility, as seen in how Naruto learned the Rasengan in his own unique style using Shadow Clones as well as also using that technique to create the Rasenshuriken. Yes, they were supposed to cheat skillfully in the original exam, but at least it was by their own actual SKILLS compared to Boruto. And before anyone mentions it, Kiba using Food Pills can also be described as a bit of a crutch, but it at least only amplifies his abilities instead of giving him completely new ones to make up for lacking general talent out of lack of effort.
However, the writing does such a lazy job at actually explaining and demonstrating the logic of why such a device is taboo for the ninja society in the movie that any of this hardly even matters lol.
Totally agree with all of this. Why go through training if a device could make you a mid tier ninja? Naruto in the beginning of the series was Mr. Hardwork. He also met people like Lee, god of hardworking. He probably finds it extra disrespectful.
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@.access:
It takes an effort, but I think "brocoli" is supposed to be Boruto and he is saying Naruto doesn't care about how Hinata feels, only about reprimanding Boruto for cheating even though cheating is not actually forbidden in the ninja world.
I don't know how Hinata has anything to do with this, but the last point is a good one, even more with we remember one of the tests Naruto had in his chuunin exam everyone was supposed to cheated in order to pass - they were actually expected to do it skilfully as it was one of the abilities required to be a good ninja.
There's a difference between cheating skillfully (like you said) and just plain lazy cheating.
Any shmuck could have done what Boruto did if they had access to the same device. Plus, the fact he was caught means he was not even good at cheating anyway.
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@Shobu:
Sasuke working for peace and Naruto doesn't give a shit about Hinata feelings and boobs, just care for the brocoli and how he cheats to win, like in a ninja world, cheating is forbidden.
The point of the exam cheating was exactly to do it without getting caught.
Never heard of Not Cheating Unless You Get Caught?
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I know Shippuden ending 25 and Ending 8 are hilarious. Any other hilarious endings for Shippuden?
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What about hilarious openings?
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There's a difference between cheating skillfully (like you said) and just plain lazy cheating.
Any shmuck could have done what Boruto did if they had access to the same device. Plus, the fact he was caught means he was not even good at cheating anyway.
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The point of the exam cheating was exactly to do it without getting caught.
Never heard of Not Cheating Unless You Get Caught?
In fact the point of the exam was not to cheat without getting caught. It was for you to know, or cheat with a given level of proficiency.
About Boruto device, is just a tool. Just like the many Ninja tools that Ninjas have. It is basically a summoning, but this time you can summon Chackra based techniques. Because the originator of the technique is the one that spent the Chackra you the user don't have to. Is pretty simple, is not like you can use the device without anybody ever having to do the technique to begin with. And even if you could spawn an attack multiple times just from a scroll, something that it wasn't shown in the movie nor in the manga, it still should be a good tool(In fact a better one). There is really no good reason for Naruto not to allow such a device, except being of the mentality of "How we did in the past was the correct way". In real life that same shit happened with calculators. Old people saying that using calculators in school was wrong and would make you dumber and not able to do calculation without it.
Still, Given the fact that Naruto prohibited the use of such device, is really shows how crappy Boruto is for disobeying. In fact he is pretty stupid, because he wanted to impress and surpass is father, but in every situation he would use an illegal device. One that he knew the other competition couldn't use, nor knew that even existed, and so he got a unfair advantage.
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In fact the point of the exam was not to cheat without getting caught. It was for you to know, or cheat with a given level of proficiency.
About Boruto device, is just a tool. Just like the many Ninja tools that Ninjas have. It is basically a summoning, but this time you can summon Chackra based techniques. Because the originator of the technique is the one that spent the Chackra you the user don't have to. Is pretty simple, is not like you can use the device without anybody ever having to do the technique to begin with. And even if you could spawn an attack multiple times just from a scroll, something that it wasn't shown in the movie nor in the manga, it still should be a good tool(In fact a better one). There is really no good reason for Naruto not to allow such a device, except being of the mentality of "How we did in the past was the correct way". In real life that same shit happened with calculators. Old people saying that using calculators in school was wrong and would make you dumber and not able to do calculation without it.
Still, Given the fact that Naruto prohibited the use of such device, is really shows how crappy Boruto is for disobeying. In fact he is pretty stupid, because he wanted to impress and surpass is father, but in every situation he would use an illegal device. One that he knew the other competition couldn't use, nor knew that even existed, and so he got a unfair advantage.
Just because a calculator is a useful tool, doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to have kids still learn how to solve basic math and algebra manually to prepare for life as a whole lol. There's a difference between being complimented by a tool and relying completely on a one trick pony to make up for being an inefficient combatant on an average level. At least Tenten wields weapons in a style that nobody else can replicate and relies on skill and cleverness. My post earlier on this page talks about this in more detail. I agree with the second paragraph though, but the movie could have still made more effort in elaborating why such a device is taboo and detrimental to a ninja's growth if irresponsibly relied on as a crutch constantly.
Power is not measured strictly according to basic convenience and strength, but adaptability as well.
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In fact the point of the exam was not to cheat without getting caught. It was for you to know, or cheat with a given level of proficiency.
Which is not getting caught.
About Boruto device, is just a tool. Just like the many Ninja tools that Ninjas have. It is basically a summoning, but this time you can summon Chackra based techniques. Because the originator of the technique is the one that spent the Chackra you the user don't have to. Is pretty simple, is not like you can use the device without anybody ever having to do the technique to begin with. And even if you could spawn an attack multiple times just from a scroll, something that it wasn't shown in the movie nor in the manga, it still should be a good tool(In fact a better one). There is really no good reason for Naruto not to allow such a device, except being of the mentality of "How we did in the past was the correct way". In real life that same shit happened with calculators. Old people saying that using calculators in school was wrong and would make you dumber and not able to do calculation without it.
Still, Given the fact that Naruto prohibited the use of such device, is really shows how crappy Boruto is for disobeying. In fact he is pretty stupid, because he wanted to impress and surpass is father, but in every situation he would use an illegal device. One that he knew the other competition couldn't use, nor knew that even existed, and so he got a unfair advantage.
In my experience, the only tests that allow calculators are those that use bigger numbers where doing a normal calculation wastes too much time, and even then it's not guaranteed.
Calculators themselves only do that much. Boruto's device is more akin to a smartphone as it pretty much allows him to do anything with minimal effort, and those are never getting allowed for obvious reasons.
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Which is not getting caught.
No, they could get caught! If I remember correctly they couldn't be caught more than 3 times. And also the advisers would only give you an infraction if your cheating was bad. Example: Kankurou! He got caught but it wasn't placed as an infraction, because it was a good cheat.
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@Count:
Just because a calculator is a useful tool, doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to have kids still learn how to solve basic math and algebra manually to prepare for life as a whole lol. There's a difference between being complimented by a tool and relying completely on a one trick pony to make up for being an inefficient combatant on an average level.
Yep, but allowing the tool doesn't automatically means you will stop teaching kids the basics. In fact what was shown in the movie was the same about the complains of the calculator, and that stupidly considered that it would exchange and not compliment.
With the device of the movie is even worse than the calculator, because the technique has to be made. Is not like it comes from nothing.@King Cannon - The device is not really like a Smartphone, because in the smarthphone you can access the solution to the answers of the test and communicate with other students or people with them, and even more. The device in Boruto doesn't provide that, just a pre-formatted power, with the advantage of no chakra(for the person using it)/effort and flexibility of techniques. This is basically what a calculator, a scientific one, provides you if you know how to use it correctly.
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What about hilarious openings?
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Haha Yeah that one's a classic
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Anyway I've gotten back into Naruto over the last few weeks and I've caught up with a lot of the storylines, characters, plot threads, etc.
And I have a few questions:
What do you guys think of Shippuden introducing an origin story like it did? (i.e. Kaguya, Sage of Six Paths, Indra and Asura, etc.)?
Do you guys think Part 2 was weaker than part 1? I feel that one of Shippuden's weaknesses is that it lost the narrative structure that Naruto part 1 built so well.
FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood
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Do you guys think Part 2 was weaker than part 1? I feel that one of Shippuden's weaknesses is that it lost the narrative structure that Naruto part 1 built so well.
Not only Part 2 is a wreck compared to part 1, but the series just went bad somewhere after Itachi's introduction.
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No, they could get caught! If I remember correctly they couldn't be caught more than 3 times. And also the advisers would only give you an infraction if your cheating was bad. Example: Kankurou! He got caught but it wasn't placed as an infraction, because it was a good cheat.
Sasuke himself commented this and stated that by logic they would be disqualified at the first try if that was a normal test. If Kankuro was caught 2 times before that, he and his siblings would be kicked out so not getting caught was still part of the test.
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What puzzles me the most is that Sasuke didn't notice anything was wrong when Bolt progressed with Rasengan so quick, even while looking straight at that shit. "My eyes can see chakra" anyone?
Or did he notice it but decided to make it all into one big lesson on how you always have to progress slowly, like Sasuke did. :ninja:
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Do you guys think Part 2 was weaker than part 1? I feel that one of Shippuden's weaknesses is that it lost the narrative structure that Naruto part 1 built so well.
Are we talking about the anime or manga because the filler of both parts ruined the anime a lot more than anything Kishimoto did with the manga
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Not only Part 2 is a wreck compared to part 1, but the series just went bad somewhere after Itachi's introduction.
lol I had a similar discussion yesterday, we're talking about how Shippuden didn't handle keep the focus on Naruto enough; Part 1 really felt like Naruto's journey because you saw his step by step progression:
- Failed Ninja Academy student,
- then Genin in the first chapter,
- then him meeting his sensei,
- then him going on his first mission,
- then the chunin exam entry,
- the forest of death,
- his first win against Kiba,
- his second win against Neji, etc.
This coincided with Naruto's goal of working hard to become hokage, and it took good advantage of the show's setting. It really felt like a legend in the making, as where Shippuden threw out the structure entirely.
The biggest sign of this was how Shippuden ended with an epilogue where it's only then Naruto becomes hokage, and everything else automatically falls in place.
FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood
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lol I had a similar discussion yesterday, we're talking about how Shippuden didn't handle keep the focus on Naruto enough; Part 1 really felt like Naruto's journey because you saw his step by step progression:
- Failed Ninja Academy student,
- then Genin in the first chapter,
- then him meeting his sensei,
- then him going on his first mission,
- then the chunin exam entry,
- the forest of death,
- his first win against Kiba,
- his second win against Neji, etc.
This coincided with Naruto's goal of working hard to become hokage, and it took good advantage of the show's setting. It really felt like a legend in the making, as where Shippuden threw out the structure entirely.
The biggest sign of this was how Shippuden ended with an epilogue where it's only then Naruto becomes hokage, and everything else automatically falls in place.
That is not structure, that is a theme and plot point. That was thrown out of the way since the obstruction of the Chunin Exam! At that time Kishimoto became "obsessed" with Sasuke and Naruto Bijuu part of the story.
In terms of structure the first part was mainly a progressive linear kind of story, focusing in Naruto becoming hokage. The second part, was a two-part interconnected, in a triangle, story. The connections were:
- Sasuke after Itachi/Akatsuki
- Itachi/Akatsuki after Naruto/Bijuus
- Naruto after Sasuke.
This shown in 2 parts, the Sasuke and Akatsuki. The Naruto is more an intermediary, connecting aspect of those 2.
One of my biggest problems with the 2nd part is mainly the fact that Kishimoto threw away the most important aspects of the story, the Ninja world and with it Naruto path to Hokage. Though another big problem is one that was already in the 1st part. The pacing and graduality of the progression of the plots. One example being, the jump from Getting into Genin, 1st Mission(S class from the get go), Chunnin Exam and then nothing. There should be more Genin Missions and there should be more related with the "Ninja career" after the Chunnin Exam.
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Yep, but allowing the tool doesn't automatically means you will stop teaching kids the basics. In fact what was shown in the movie was the same about the complains of the calculator, and that stupidly considered that it would exchange and not compliment.
With the device of the movie is even worse than the calculator, because the technique has to be made. Is not like it comes from nothing.@King Cannon - The device is not really like a Smartphone, because in the smarthphone you can access the solution to the answers of the test and communicate with other students or people with them, and even more. The device in Boruto doesn't provide that, just a pre-formatted power, with the advantage of no chakra(for the person using it)/effort and flexibility of techniques. This is basically what a calculator, a scientific one, provides you if you know how to use it correctly.
Oh, I don't disagree on the movie's lackluster effort into why the Kote is taboo in the ninja society. But it doesn't take much to analyze and see why it should not be overly relied on when pursuing the career of a ninja, just like a calculator in any profession related to mathematics. They're both useful items. Just not something that should be used as a crutch for something like the Chunin Exams, where you're tested on your own merit in Jutsu and their application towards situational adversity. In fact, your reply to King Cannon just mention the main flaw in the Kote as a ninja tool if relied on too much. Because it only allows for pre-formatted powers, it immensely limits the room for experimentation of new Jutsu variants and techniques as well as how to creatively apply them to a situation.
It's like if you're writing a fictional series in a genre like shonen, but you purposefully limit its writing and art execution to only embodying cliches and shallow tropes already seen in loads of manga and anime without any creative twists or general originality. I'm not talking about inspiration here, I'm talking Shia LaBeouf style copy-pasting lines or Gene Simmons' son making a manga whose panels are literally redrawn versions of Bleach panels with different clothes, hair, and skin. As if you have the mindset that if one type of character, design, or plot worked, then you can just copy and paste the same thing with little effort and expect to gain recognition. A mentality like that is going to end up turning off readers and critics by spurring them to call you a hack, decrease sales, and most likely show in your work how superficial and hollow your artistic sense is by probably notYou're never going to creatively succeed and be recognized for your own merit, creativity and efficiency is found in not just seeing what works in fiction, but how and why it was thought-up and implemented. I don't even think that a comparison to math represents how fluid and adaptable something like combat and storytelling are where you constantly have to innovate in varying degrees as the world continues to advance and change, while math on a conventional average level relies on pre-determined rules and set equations are either right or wrong without any effectiveness in between rather than a whole spectrum of quality.
Do I think something like the Kote should be thrown away with all of its potential and convenience? Of course not. Something like that is vital during, say, wartime, although it can easily become Naruto's version of atomic weaponry if lots of powerful Jutsu are implemented into the device at the press of a button without the ordinary learning curve. But should it be relied on and be allowed in an examination testing your limits as a ninja as well as how much of an asset you could be on all sorts of missions and objectives (which is the real purpose of the exam. It's not just about who makes it to being the strongest in the endgame tournament, hence why Shikamaru was the only one promoted to Chunin) with various employers, threats, and landscapes? You have to recognize the purpose of the Chunin Exams. To test ninjas on their individual caliber and situational adaptation, which was the theme of every single challenge and why it wasn't just a tournament. And even so, you need to prepare for when a standard trick/one trick pony you constantly rely on doesn't work. To make progress, you have to think like an eccentric and outside of the box. You can't be limited by established conventions or else you end up becoming predictable based on history, stagnant in experience, and complacent when the situation just happened to not put you at a disadvantage you didn't account for. This applies to pretty much any line of work. Streamlining is just a shortcut to what's already been done and relies on one specific process that needs to accessible, and often makes products quite half-assed because of lack of attention. And it leaves room for your opponents to just replicate the process for themselves rather than having the intricate knowledge and skill that you earn by naturally learning it.
It's perfectly fine to use a calculator out of convenience or to get easy grunt work done. But it's a device solely limited to cutting straight to predetermined answer with the least amount of effort. There is little-to-no room for adaptability with that besides its basic pre-inputted function, at least without upgrades. It's not going to help you make significant progress or insight in the field of mathematics. Just like how tracing art is not going to introduce any new styles or concepts in the field of drawing, or even give you enough skill to make your own character designs and art-style. Hence why a test in those fields should not allow those techniques, or in the specific case of math since time is limited and equation solving often involves a lot of repeating processes and tedious simple solving, show your work to indicate that you know the material instead of just writing the answer. The incentive of the education institution as a whole is not just giving the answers of life to your students, but providing the tools and advice to make them come to the conclusion, whether it's a pre-determined or individually fluid one, on their own. That way, children are properly prepared for various situations in life and actually understand the logic, process, and effort that goes into what they will study and apply to society. Solely relying on pre-formatted methods as a crutch to make up for base level inadequacy will only stagnate innovation and adaptability.
And on the subject of Part 2's flaws, I don't think anything will surpass how disappointing Neji, Rock Lee, and Team Taka were treated characterization-wise. Even Madara's sex change, back-stabbing, and ending up being a pawn.
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That is not structure, that is a theme and plot point. That was thrown out of the way since the obstruction of the Chunin Exam! At that time Kishimoto became "obsessed" with Sasuke and Naruto Bijuu part of the story.
In terms of structure the first part was mainly a progressive linear kind of story, focusing in Naruto becoming hokage. The second part, was a two-part interconnected, in a triangle, story. The connections were:
- Sasuke after Itachi/Akatsuki
- Itachi/Akatsuki after Naruto/Bijuus
- Naruto after Sasuke.
This shown in 2 parts, the Sasuke and Akatsuki. The Naruto is more an intermediary, connecting aspect of those 2.
One of my biggest problems with the 2nd part is mainly the fact that Kishimoto threw away the most important aspects of the story, the Ninja world and with it Naruto path to Hokage. Though another big problem is one that was already in the 1st part. The pacing and graduality of the progression of the plots. One example being, the jump from Getting into Genin, 1st Mission(S class from the get go), Chunnin Exam and then nothing. There should be more Genin Missions and there should be more related with the "Ninja career" after the Chunnin Exam.
Lol, this is actually what I meant, I just worded it differently.
But yeah, Naruto's actual path took a backseat in Shippuden, to a point in which it felt like it was forgotten. Shippuden feels like it should have been 1 big arc/saga in the grand scheme of things, not the whole remainder of the show; like, it should have been Naruto's own Whitebeard/Summit War Saga. Imagine if One Piece ended at whitebeard war - like, if Luffy saved Ace, and defied the world government, thus making him pirate king. It would be kinda underwhleming right? Well same thing with Shippuden.
It doesn't help that we don't ever really see or get an idea of how exactly one becomes a hokage - and what I mean by that is that we don't ever see what those hokage did differently than those who didn't, so the viewer doesn't get an idea yet of how exactly Naruto is gonna do it at this point. There's nothing to lead up to like an election or something.
(Oddly enough, that's one of the things One Piece did better over time: they slowly gave you an idea of what it means to be pirate king as the series went on by showing how one has to dominate the seas, hold dominion over territories, acquire a fleet, defy the world government, and most importantly find One Piece. And we see Luffy gradually accomplish most of that, so there's a clear end point that the series is building up to. That isn't the case anymore with naruto shippuden I think).
The hokage felt like too much of simple title by the show's end, which is why we didn't even see Naruto fully becoming hokage - instead we just got some 10 year timeskip where everything happened off screen.
( There's more I need to explain, and I'm probably messing up some parts since I forgot a lot about part 1 and early part 2 over the years so forgive me in advance for any mistakes )
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Naruto believed in his clones who believed in him so he fulfilled his life long dream of being able to do paperwork he could have his clones do instead of spending time with his family
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Do we ever see any Chunin from the years before the rookie 9 who aren't already Kakashi's age?
What happened to them?
That's an issue a lot of shows have but still. It always feels annoying when that happens.
FMA 03> FMA Brotherhood
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Do we ever see any Chunin from the years before the rookie 9 who aren't already Kakashi's age?
What happened to them?
That's an issue a lot of shows have but still. It always feels annoying when that happens.
Probably dead or quit. We didn't get any info despite there being fairly large ninja families.
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Lol, this is actually what I meant, I just worded it differently.
But yeah, Naruto's actual path took a backseat in Shippuden, to a point in which it felt like it was forgotten. Shippuden feels like it should have been 1 big arc/saga in the grand scheme of things, not the whole remainder of the show; like, it should have been Naruto's own Whitebeard/Summit War Saga. Imagine if One Piece ended at whitebeard war - like, if Luffy saved Ace, and defied the world government, thus making him pirate king. It would be kinda underwhleming right? Well same thing with Shippuden.
It doesn't help that we don't ever really see or get an idea of how exactly one becomes a hokage - and what I mean by that is that we don't ever see what those hokage did differently than those who didn't, so the viewer doesn't get an idea yet of how exactly Naruto is gonna do it at this point. There's nothing to lead up to like an election or something.
(Oddly enough, that's one of the things One Piece did better over time: they slowly gave you an idea of what it means to be pirate king as the series went on by showing how one has to dominate the seas, hold dominion over territories, acquire a fleet, defy the world government, and most importantly find One Piece. And we see Luffy gradually accomplish most of that, so there's a clear end point that the series is building up to. That isn't the case anymore with naruto shippuden I think).
The hokage felt like too much of simple title by the show's end, which is why we didn't even see Naruto fully becoming hokage - instead we just got some 10 year timeskip where everything happened off screen.
( There's more I need to explain, and I'm probably messing up some parts since I forgot a lot about part 1 and early part 2 over the years so forgive me in advance for any mistakes )
Hokage is just a title for the "strongest" ninja in each nation. It's a job given by succession, so actual strength isn't the only measure. Jiraiya was stronger than Tsunade but he chose not to become one. She abdicates the throne to Kakashi because Naruto's armless. And Kakashi abdicates once he's good and ready. I think Boruto should fill some of these gaps though.
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@Mr.:
Hokage is just a title for the "strongest" ninja in each nation.
Nope. Hokage is exclusively to the Land of Fire.
Just a minor correction.
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Also for Naruto to be armless he has to be missing both arms not just one:ninja:
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Lol! Semantics. Y'all know what I meant. "Kage" and I won't relent on "armless" as it can describe Naruto post that battle.
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I realize that the daimyos/lords were never really showcased, but they lead the country that encompasses the ninja soldier village. Only thing that comes to mind was Team 7 finding the cat of the Fire Lord's wife in like volume 2 or so.
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the Fire Lord's just waiting for that damn comet to show up again so they can really get a war started
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Expansion on the Daimyos could have been interesting, but what was really a lost opportunity was the Hidden Mist Village. Its history as the "Bloody Mist" was hyped up since Zabuza was introduced, and yet it ended up being hand waved as a chess piece by Obito with little other attention given to it. And by the time that we finally got to see it for all of its gloriously corrupt glory, it already had a morally decent Kage in charge. An arc centered around that would have made for an excellent portrayal of the criticism of the traditionally heartless ninja system.
But talking about the lost opportunities of Naruto would literally take up a whole week lol.
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@Mr.:
Lol! Semantics. Y'all know what I meant. "Kage" and I won't relent on "armless" as it can describe Naruto post that battle.
A better term would've been "disarmed" but I could understand if the pun was a bit too dark.
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@Count:
Expansion on the Daimyos could have been interesting, but what was really a lost opportunity was the Hidden Mist Village. Its history as the "Bloody Mist" was hyped up since Zabuza was introduced, and yet it ended up being hand waved as a chess piece by Obito with little other attention given to it. And by the time that we finally got to see it for all of its gloriously corrupt glory, it already had a morally decent Kage in charge. An arc centered around that would have made for an excellent portrayal of the criticism of the traditionally heartless ninja system..
I think Weekly Manga Recap touched on this - the Zabuza arc was so great because it showed that kids running around playing ninja was not all fun and games, and how the Mist did things was so wildly different to how the Leaf picked their ninja. It made Naruto the manga step out to be something more, and there was some nifty worldbuilding thrown in too.
When I was younger - watching Naruto on Toonami and playing Clash of Ninja 2 - I would always want to skip through Land of Waves to get to the Chuunin Exams faster, but I recently reread the arc one day in B&N, and it's still great.
But to quote Naruto: "Obito was the coolest guy!!!1"
the Fire Lord's just waiting for that damn comet to show up again so they can really get a war started
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I think Weekly Manga Recap touched on this - the Zabuza arc was so great because it showed that kids running around playing ninja was not all fun and games, and how the Mist did things was so wildly different to how the Leaf picked their ninja. It made Naruto the manga step out to be something more, and there was some nifty worldbuilding thrown in too.
When I was younger - watching Naruto on Toonami and playing Clash of Ninja 2 - I would always want to skip through Land of Waves to get to the Chuunin Exams faster, but I recently reread the arc one day in B&N, and it's still great.
But to quote Naruto: "Obito was the coolest guy!!!1"
Oh God, Clash of Ninja. So much nostalgia just rushed back to me lol, thanks. I completely agree though.
You know, Danzo wanted to become Hokage just like Obito. Man, why did such a cool guy have to be bullied by Sasuke?
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^ To give people more of reason to insist Sasuke deserved a punishment that didn't fit the crime.
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Being serious for a second, Danzo's probably the most hilariously written character in all of Naruto. Like, I literally can't help but laugh my ass off whenever I think about everything that transpired due to him and how all of his potential as an antagonist amounted to in the Kage Summit arc right after being appointed as the prime Hokage candidate. Not to mention the last minute flashback that suddenly makes people actually argue that the man was a sympathetic hero despite not having any traces of compassion or ethics left in how cowardly manipulative he was. Everything about Danzo drives me hysterical, especially since he's probably the most underrated villain in the series.
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Danzo had some good ideas
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This post from another forum sums up everything about how entertainingly written Danzo's character was:
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If Danzo's character wasn't killed off so prematurely and went on to become a major, if not even the main antagonist, then he would have provided an excellent parallel to Naruto's character theme of being the ungifted student and guiding the people as Hokage in a corrupt fashion that's actually way more subtle and not as copy and paste as Obito. He could have been this series equivalent of Blackbeard in terms of being a character that actually embodies the real life corrupt nature and system of ninjas to BB's characteristic pirate image and behavior.
But no, despite how despicable, slimy, and hypocritical of a Machiavellian manipulative coward he was, Kishi has the gall to let his last thoughts and flashback some left-turn "redeemability" and "sympathy" in honestly believing he was benefitting the Hidden Leaf. And the anime actually plays out his suicide with this cheesy noble music playing. It's freaking hilarious, and I can somehow legitimately respect how depraved this guy is for sticking to his deluded philosophies to the very end.
And the cherry on top is how little of an effect he has on the series despite almost becoming Hokage. Completely forgotten after that arc with no more relevance, not even brought back as an Edo Tensei or playing being weighed in Sasuke's endgame sentence/misdeeds for murdering an acting Hokage, no matter how corrupt they were. He has his hands everywhere throughout the major events of the story from the Akatsuki's origin with the Sannin to Orochimaru and to the Uchiha Clan massacre, and any trace of him disappears off the Earth like a table stain wiped off with a bit of Oxiclean. This character is so funnily entertaining to me, you have no idea. It's Kishimoto at his finest.
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I don't know why people make it seem Naruto beats people by talking them down it's almost as if his whooping Haku's, Kiba's, Neiji's, Gaara's, Kabuto's, Hidan's,Kakazu's,Pain's,Edo Tensei Raikage's,and Obito's asses never happened.
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It's moreso the fact that a bunch of those you mentioned (Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, Pain, and Obito off the top of my head, but there might even be more) converted to his ideologies at the end of the fight and eventually become allies rather than being allowed to process it more longer after their defeat. Most of those individual cases are written nicely and even beautifully, but you have to understand how repetitive it can feel when every execution/process feels similar. Changing your life's ideology to adhere to the victor's after losing one battle on a consistent basis isn't exactly, well, realistic or creative. It's cool that Naruto as a character is willing to influence other eloquently through raw passion expressed in wise words rather than just fists, but it can at least be varied up in execution.
And he didn't fight Hidan. I don't think they even met or had eye contact lol.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Count:
And he didn't fight Hidan. I don't think they even met or had eye contact lol.
Sorry I got my Akatsuki members messed up I meant
that cheap POSDeidara.I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Sorry I got my Akatsuki members messed up I meant
that cheap POSDeidara.No biggie lol. Personally, Deidara was actually one of or even my favorite Akatsuki member due to his personality, design, and how creatively Kishimoto conceived his powers just based off of making a pun on claymore. And his fight with Sasuke was one of the best in the manga (I'm pretending that Sasuke's WIS save with Manda didn't happen). My main gripe though was how he got bloodlust towards the Uchiha shoved onto his character out of nowhere and died just to give Sasuke some battle cred despite giving Gaara and Team 7 a run for their money respectively with little impact on the story.
Spoiler:
"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
