Chapter 618: "Proposal" Discussion

Just_Gabe

i'm surprised the discussion of sanji has been so weak. the man turned into actual stone, then went bak to being happy. what do u guys think is going on? there is a penis joke in this but i'll skip rite over it

what's so surprising about it? it's not that canon in the storyline and it's just a gag.

@Cyborg_Franky:

well all of these lose ends could be tied in a matter of a few chapters, have every SH vs a commander and tie in the death of fisher tiger with the assasination of queen otohime. im just saying it doesnt look like the arc will take very long unless were introduced to some bigger bosses

^Lol. Oda's a master of dragging arcs while making them exquicitely interesting. This won't be a short arc at all due to the great amount of elements that have yet to be resolved, and whose resolution won't come that easy and simplistic as you state.

Sabo

@Just_Gabe:

what's so surprising about it? it's not that canon in the storyline and it's just a gag.

I expected it to blow up like the nose bleed incident. Fortunately people didin't overeact this time to something so silly

If Sanji wasn't frozen as stone, guarantee he would have tried to fight Van Der Decken. I guess Oda just wanted Luffy to beat his ass, and to leave Sanji out of it

AlucarDraculA

@Aka:

i like the theory of the log poses .. shanks also returned to his home town in east blue when he first met luffy .. ,if we asume that the log pose pointed them to luffys island when they had entered the new world..

Shanks is from west blue he says so when talking to White Beard.

akagami7

@Aka:

i like the theory of the log poses .. shanks also returned to his home town in east blue when he first met luffy .. ,if we asume that the log pose pointed them to luffys island when they had entered the new world..

Log poses doesn't work with islands which are outside the grandline.

sanji499

Maybe Hodi knows something that could mess up the island in every way and cause FI "destruction". The straw hats would be at the center of it all for pissing off Hodi.

Ryuksgelus

@Cyborg_Franky:

well all of these lose ends could be tied in a matter of a few chapters, have every SH vs a commander and tie in the death of fisher tiger with the assasination of queen otohime. im just saying it doesnt look like the arc will take very long unless were introduced to some bigger bosses

Yes and that flashback of the Queen and Fisher Tiger won't introduce any further plot points to the arc.

flandrian15

indeed. VDD and Hodi will be defeated, we get a flashback and afterwards the Strawhats move towards to New World

churlyryan

I wonder if Jinbei is planning on taking the Straw Hats somewhere. The fact that he wasn't even to be found on Fishman Island kinda points out the main problem isn't there. Plus, we already have much of the Straw Hats going to meet him at the Forest of the Sea, and I'm sure Zoro, Brook & Ussop will make their way in a few chapters.

You know, technically what Hodi wants to do is none of the Straw Hat's business. After all, this is Fishman Island, the Fishman home. It's Luffy and the others who are not welcome. For all we know the Merfolk are the bad guys here too. Remember, Fishman Island, not "Seafolk Island." Maybe Hodi just wants to reclaim what was once there's?

Reyairia

Fishman Island has been referred to as Mermaid Island as well.
It's technically both Merman Island and Fishman Island.

Cyborg_Franky

@Ryuksgelus:

Yes and that flashback of the Queen and Fisher Tiger won't introduce any further plot points to the arc.

im just trying to say some times history doesnt have to have a deep impact on the arc. we can learn about fisher tiger and the queen and not have it play any huge role in the arc. i know your dying for hodi to be tied to fisher tiger for some reason or another but i just dont think its that needed. personally id just rather see a quick trip on fishman island and have them get right into the NW. i know its not as likely to happen but hey its just what i think / want.

churlyryan

Still, the situation with Hodi and the Ryuuga Kingdom is a domestic conflict. There's probably bigger fish (no pun intended) to fry somewhere in the New World.

fatma

@churlyryan:

I wonder if Jinbei is planning on taking the Straw Hats somewhere. The fact that he wasn't even to be found on Fishman Island kinda points out the main problem isn't there. Plus…

The reason why he wasn't directly on FI was already explained. He isn't a Shichibukai anymore. So if he would stay at FI he would put them in a to great risk of being atacked by the Marines…

tabbycat

I really liked this chapter. It's cool to see how far they've come since Arlong Park.

Ryuksgelus

@Cyborg_Franky:

im just trying to say some times history doesnt have to have a deep impact on the arc. we can learn about fisher tiger and the queen and not have it play any huge role in the arc. i know your dying for hodi to be tied to fisher tiger for some reason or another but i just dont think its that needed. personally id just rather see a quick trip on fishman island and have them get right into the NW. i know its not as likely to happen but hey its just what i think / want.

There is no reason to learn about either if that info plays no major role in this arc. What their history is gong to matter in a future arc or do you think it'll serve as nothing more than flavor?

Which basically means you're trying your hardest to ignore common sense and concoct oddball reasoning to rush into the New World. Why even read this series if plot points pile up if you have no interest in them? Guess its the War's fault since it introduced so many plot lines at the end people logically want those to be dealt with first before moving onto another subject.

Still, the situation with Hodi and the Ryuuga Kingdom is a domestic conflict. There's probably bigger fish (no pun intended) to fry somewhere in the New World.

There is no "probably", we know for a fact bigger fish exist in the New World but it is not their time yet. Right now its no more a domestic affair than Skypiea. This arc will obviously add more to our knowledge of the void century and ignorant to think Oda is going to rush through a few centuries old dispute over slavery, oppression, racism, and inter species relations.

area_51

@fatma:

The reason why he wasn't directly on FI was already explained. He isn't a Shichibukai anymore. So if he would stay at FI he would put them in a to great risk of being atacked by the Marines…

so what the heck big mam doing if FI under attack by marines:ninja::ninja:

isrnick

@area_51:

so what the heck big mam doing if FI under attack by marines:ninja::ninja:

Yes, Big Mam would counterattack, and a war would be held on FI, and FI would suffer great damage and many deaths, or be completely destroid… So, in the end Jimbe staying out of the island is the best for FI.

akagami7

The question is how many marine's ships would arrive to gyogin island?
70% of ships sink before reaching gyojin island.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c603/11.html
Besides, a gyojin can destroy a ship under water easily

luffyg2

Most of them are heading for the sea forest… seem like things are working out fine for the SH.. this arc might last a little less longer than I though... Hodi and VDD don't really seems like they could give a hard challenge... well we still got the 3 princes

Samwize78

I still don't think Hordy is down for the count. Zoro's attack might've gotten to him but I'm still convinced that Hordy will ingest more Energy Steroids and then turn the tables on Zoro.

dragonfire1992

I just wanted to ask if we know whether or not Jump will be delayed again this week? Considering the situation in Japan is even worse now…

RDarren

http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=2181708&postcount=6

HikaruYami

@RDarren:

http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=2181708&postcount=6

You could have said "no". If anything, the fact that the post you quoted has the word "delay" in it is misleading in that dragonfire asked if there was a further delay, whereas the post you quoted is referring to the fact that the chapter that we would have gotten spoilers for three days ago is now coming out next week instead.

No, dragonfire, there is no further delay.

Haki1234

One of the things which might bring in new villains and make this arc big is the research being done by Toms brother in the sea forest and how it might involve the Poneglyphs. Including the flash back about the Queen and Fishertiger this arc has the potential to be long.

Shergal

@HikaruYami:

You could have said "no". If anything, the fact that the post you quoted has the word "delay" in it is misleading in that dragonfire asked if there was a further delay, whereas the post you quoted is referring to the fact that the chapter that we would have gotten spoilers for three days ago is now coming out next week instead.

No, dragonfire, there is no further delay.

wut

The post clearly says WSJ is going to be out 4/4, and to expect spoilers for 3/30.. I don't know how much more you want to know..

Gliblord

I'd place my chips on a CP9 saga-length arc here guys. And I really don't mind. Oda knows best.

IgorGB

@Gliblord:

I'd place my chips on a CP9 saga-length arc here guys. And I really don't mind. Oda knows best.

I agree. I don't know why people want them to go to the New World as soon as possible. What difference does it make? The only thing that matters to me is how well the story is told.

Erkan12

without bigmam, this arc is boring, hodi and decken too weak for mugiwaras

GoustiFruit

But BigMom would be too strong.

blendingur69

@GoustiFruit:

But BigMom would be too strong.

First of all, we don't know shit about Big Mam… and second, there might not be a reason to fight Big Mam... and third I agree with those who think FI arc should be short cause so far... we haven't seen no real threat... (well my opinion anyways) :ninja:

CP9 Boss Cat

@Kitetsu:

without bigmam, this arc is boring, hodi and decken too weak for mugiwaras

@GoustiFruit:

But BigMom would be too strong.

What we need is doflamingo.

blendingur69

@CP9:

What we need is doflamingo.

Agreed on my part :ninja:

Jelly-Kun

if zoro owned him with one blow, you think he would use pills like moria did in a sense?

dragonfire1992

I think this arc and maybe the next one will have that same vibe early one piece did, that the Strawhats werent in terrible danger. I mean, there were good fights early on, but there wasnt as much of a state of life or death. Id say Alabasta was the first big moment of that, when the enemies were finally as strong/stronger than the strawhats. Now the strawhats are wrecking again, until they get an island into New World, where the real shit is going down.

choperman

@CP9:

What we need is doflamingo.

Fuck it makes no sense really but I'd be down 150% i fucking love that guy and want to learn more about him

GoustiFruit

Doflamingo is also too soon. He deserve is own arc (towards the real end of OP), I don't think Fishmen Island should be mixed with this character.

Jelly-Kun

totally agree. who even came up with such a crack statement

flandrian15

although I think Doflamingo as a main villain would be absolutely superb, I can't see that happening at Fishmen Island, I tried thinking of different scenario's but I just can't place him. Undoubtedly Oda could do this seeing he is far better in making up stories than me.
I would like the villain to be someone that has not yet been introduced but is quite a big name as a pirate. Anyway, anything could happen at this point and I believe that this arc might be a major one in length.

Samwize78

I think the story of Fisher Tiger might possibly (and here's another Skypeia reference) be blown out of proportion and exaggerated into the tale all the Fish-Men and Mermaids/Mermen have come to know. Like the story of Noland The Liar back in Jaya. But I don't think we'll be treated to a full flashback like that story got to tie all the loose ends. We'll probably hear the truth from Jimbe or from Den since the poneglyphs are involved maybe the answers are engraved on that.

I just now thought of this theory so I had to post it.

blendingur69

@Samwize78:

I think the story of Fisher Tiger might possibly (and here's another Skypeia reference) be blown out of proportion and exaggerated into the tale all the Fish-Men and Mermaids/Mermen have come to know. Like the story of Noland The Liar back in Jaya. But I don't think we'll be treated to a full flashback like that story got to tie all the loose ends. We'll probably hear the truth from Jimbe or from Den since the poneglyphs are involved maybe the answers are engraved on that.

I just now thought of this theory so I had to post it.

Yeah cause you know the story of Fisher Tiger s more than 800 years old, man can't beliefe I never thought of that :getlost:

sandcroc

@dragonfire1992:

I think this arc and maybe the next one will have that same vibe early one piece did, that the Strawhats werent in terrible danger. I mean, there were good fights early on, but there wasnt as much of a state of life or death. Id say Alabasta was the first big moment of that, when the enemies were finally as strong/stronger than the strawhats. Now the strawhats are wrecking again, until they get an island into New World, where the real shit is going down.

I'm feeling the same way about this arc so far, I think a more story driven arc is better than the one on one showdowns(can't hate on them though) at the moment

Shergal

@Samwize78:

I think the story of Fisher Tiger might possibly (and here's another Skypeia reference) be blown out of proportion and exaggerated into the tale all the Fish-Men and Mermaids/Mermen have come to know. Like the story of Noland The Liar back in Jaya. But I don't think we'll be treated to a full flashback like that story got to tie all the loose ends. We'll probably hear the truth from Jimbe or from Den since the poneglyphs are involved maybe the answers are engraved on that.

I just now thought of this theory so I had to post it.

The phoneglyphs don't have anything to do with Fisher Tiger. And which part of the story do you think is "exaggerated and blown out of proportion"? the thing about humans not donating blood?

Jelly-Kun

@flandrian15:

although I think Doflamingo as a main villain would be absolutely superb, I can't see that happening at Fishmen Island, I tried thinking of different scenario's but I just can't place him. Undoubtedly Oda could do this seeing he is far better in making up stories than me.
I would like the villain to be someone that has not yet been introduced but is quite a big name as a pirate. Anyway, anything could happen at this point and I believe that this arc might be a major one in length.

yes, dolflamigo is i awesome character, (i can even spell it) but i dont think he has anything to do with this arc. theres oviously a bigger character wating in the shadows, but until then, its more focused on hodi jones and his members.

LUCCI DA PIGEON PIMP

Just be patient , things will start to move once we get to the new world.

Sonic Youth

I think we'll have 10 volumes before the more "global" characters are reintroduced.

I think Oda is redoing the first 10 volumes for One Piece before they headed into the Grand Line.

But now it's 10 volumes before the it gets back to Akainu-garp-shanks-BB etc.

SingingThroughTheStorm

The arlong arc had it where the Strawhats were in danger.
Zoro was passing out during his fight, and Sanji was on the verge of barfing up his guts. If Arlong wanted to, he could have killed Sanji and Zoro right there. All he had to do was toss more water at them.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Sonic:

I think we'll have 10 volumes before the more "global" characters are reintroduced.

I think Oda is redoing the first 10 volumes for One Piece before they headed into the Grand Line.

But now it's 10 volumes before the it gets back to Akainu-garp-shanks-BB etc.

Oda always knew how to show us some of their actions while always having the focus on the SHs.
I guess we will see them in 1-2 chapters after the FI-arc just to hold that feeling of the always alter world of OP.

isrnick

Cnet's translation of the chapter 618:
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/28626

Demonicpoodle

@Sonic:

I think we'll have 10 volumes before the more "global" characters are reintroduced.

I think Oda is redoing the first 10 volumes for One Piece before they headed into the Grand Line.

But now it's 10 volumes before the it gets back to Akainu-garp-shanks-BB etc.

This rather makes sense to me, and I've thought the same thing more than once, especially since our first arc is Fishman Island and Oda said that he wanted to introduce fishmen as early as chapter 3 in One Piece, but didn't get the chance to. I really do think this is a "restart" for the series.

Shergal

@Sonic:

I think we'll have 10 volumes before the more "global" characters are reintroduced.

I think Oda is redoing the first 10 volumes for One Piece before they headed into the Grand Line.

But now it's 10 volumes before the it gets back to Akainu-garp-shanks-BB etc.

May I ask, how would he make 10 volumes of the SHs in the New World, without them stepping into some "major" character? (and with major I include some important person that might have not been introduced yet, and the supernovas)

I think since we are in the NW (well, at least when this saga ends) the pace of the story will be different than in first half of Grand Line. For what we know, it's really difficult to reach Raftel, as Roger says to WB in the latter's Flashback ("Do you want to know how to get to Raftel?") so I guess the pirates in the NW are not "GO STRAIGHT FORWARD", but they hang around the ocean, around the islands (we have 1 example of this in the "favorite" island of Kaidou, the guy says he goes there from time to time) because they don't know where the last island is, or they can't reach it.

So my guess is, we will know the majority of the NW faster than we knew the first half, and some part (I suppose a little part) of the series will be the SHs trying to get to Raftel, the "secret island" which seems impossible to reach. (I'm thinking the path to the island may be related to the Phoneglyps, because Roger was the only pirate that could read them and only them -for what we know- went to Raftel. SHs have Robin=advantage)

DesertSpada

The poster didn't say major, what was said was global. As in characters that have a pretty large influence on the world at large. Those characters would be Shichibukai, Yonkou and high government and marine officials. Supernovas, famous New World pirates and other characters are fair game.