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    Chapter 618: "Proposal" Discussion

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      I doubt he said monster trio that was probaly just the translator putting it into fan terms. If he was serious about the statement than that mean he surpassed either Franky or Robin which I doubt.

      Whatever the exact term was, he was clearly saying that he, Nami and Chopper are the "weak" members. And the story portrays this, as well. His bragging was obviously a comedic bit, since he said "I won't flinch at anything!" and one panel later freaked the hell out, but the weakling trio bit was for real.

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        "I can't be wrong, so the translation must be wrong."

        Nice logic there Gadhafi.

        I'm not at home to confirm, but I do recall Usopp using both trio references.

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          @Vongola_Boss_XI:

          I do have an idea who the real villain might be. I think it is another member of the Fishman Pirates (Jimbei's crew), not the New Fishman Pirates. Jimbei was captain of the Fishman Pirates, the former sunny pirates, who would have a strong connection to Fisher Tiger; As strong as Jimbei, Arlong, etc.

          Unlike Hodi and the NFP who were just children, Jimbei's crew would directly have known Fisher Tiger. Notice that Jimbei's crew is not with him - he is alone at the Sea Forest. Fishman - Human relations at Fishman Island are very high…Decken and Hodi are troublemakers, but neither truly rivals Jimbei in power. "Boss" Jimbei is also called knight of the sea. He’s too honorable to let even a blood relative run around committing the same crimes as Arlong. He would NOT fight Luffy over doing the honorable thing, even if it was defeating his son in his battle.

          Jimbei’s reason for warning Luffy not to fight Hodi is simple – Hodi is seemingly attempting to adopt the will of not only Arlong, but also is twisting the words and ideals of Fisher Tiger to rally support amongst the Fishmen. The name of Fisher Tiger would likely resonate with those on Jimbei’s crew who formerly served under Fisher Tiger. At the time, it is apparent Jimbei’s crew is not with him – but they’re not causing trouble either. Should Jimbei’s crew be on the fence…a human defeating Hodi, a man claiming to bear Fisher Tiger’s will would make him into a martyr for the cause of turning Fishmen against humans. By Luffy (or in this case Zoro) defeating Hodi, an even more powerful and charismatic leader will rise up amongst the Fishmen…from Jimbei’s (and Tiger’s) former crew; A former member of the Sunny Pirates and the Fishman Pirates (not the Arlong Pirates, New Fishman Pirates, or Decken’s crew), perhaps a former first mate (just an example)…perhaps the one responsible for either Tiger’s death (Tiger didn’t hate humans…maybe this true villain thought he went soft) or Shirahoshi’s Mother’s death.

          A lot at the end here is just speculation, but I think it is not Jimbei, but certainly someone with deep connections to Fisher Tiger, perhaps someone who can sway Jimbei’s crew over to his side, perhaps Jimbei’s former first mate, perhaps Tiger’s former first mate, perhaps the one responsible for Tiger and / or Shirahoshi’s Mother’s death(s).

          copy / pasted from another thread where it was proposed that Jimbei might be the real villain of this arc because Hodi is his son, so there are parts in this post that address that theory…they're not relevant to this discussion...but the rest is.

          It was apparent from the start that neither Hodi nor Decken would be the big arc villain.

          I like this because if it's true then what if Hyouzou is loyal to this other fishman pirate and is just with Hodi to make a few bucks.

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            Usopp's theory about the monster trio stopped though.
            Before landing at Alabasta, he told Chopper to just do what he can do, and that there was no shame in running from a fight you can't win. But once he got in a fight at Alabasta, he told Chopper that you have to fight for some things, like when Luffy's dream was laughed at.

            I think Usopp still believes the monster trio isn't normal, but that is true.
            But I also feel that Usopp realizes he has to go beyond normal to be worthy of the crew.

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              @Aohige_AP:

              "I can't be wrong, so the translation must be wrong."

              Nice logic there Gadhafi.

              I'm not at home to confirm, but I do recall Usopp using both trio references.

              Dont know who gadhafi is and i dont know if im right i just find it highly unlikely that Usopp said 弱い トリオ. Even when refering to them as the weakest.

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                Cnet puts it like this:

                "…I'm not gonna be a part of the Weakling Trio with you and Chopper any more!!"

                Now sure, I think that cnet localizes quite a bit, but he is also regarded as very credible AFAIK so this still ought to be enough to convince you that the basic concept of the weakest three is definitely something acknowledged by Oda and not just fan speculation.

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                  @Coruscation:

                  Cnet puts it like this:

                  "…I'm not gonna be a part of the Weakling Trio with you and Chopper any more!!"

                  Now sure, I think that cnet localizes quite a bit, but he is also regarded as very credible AFAIK so this still ought to be enough to convince you that the basic concept of the weakest three is definitely something acknowledged by Oda and not just fan speculation.

                  No I looked that up like an hour ago or so. U just said he localizes a bit. I even read his rules to see if he does so but i didn't see anything about it.

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                    So why don't you believe it if you've already looked up our 3rd (I think?) most credible translator?

                    It's just my impression that he localizes a fair bit, I don't actually know. He always makes the dialogue seem very flowing and smooth, or at least it seems that way to me as a non-native English speaker.

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                      Dont know who gadhafi is and i dont know if im right i just find it highly unlikely that Usopp said 弱い トリオ. Even when refering to them as the weakest.

                      Muhahahahahaaaaa… Newspaper anyone?

                      Can't wait until Aohige will crush your shit

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                        No I looked that up like an hour ago or so. U just said he localizes a bit. I even read his rules to see if he does so but i didn't see anything about it.

                        Aohige used the phrase "weak trio" when doing the trans from the raw in the spoiler section for 598.

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                        Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                          Dont know who gadhafi is

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                            Muhahahahahaaaaa… Newspaper anyone?

                            Can't wait until Aohige will crush your shit

                            If I Aint never gon meet the muthafucker then i don't need to learn about him. Sanji has okama blood.

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                              Dont know who gadhafi is and i dont know if im right i just find it highly unlikely that Usopp said 弱い トリオ. Even when refering to them as the weakest.

                              Is it so hard to go look at the Japanese?

                              Yes, he did say 弱小トリオ. Weakling Trio. Literally.
                              So you're just plain wrong.

                              And how do you not know the evil man that's on the news 24/7 right now?
                              Not to mention him being one of the most infamous dictators around for decades.

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                                If I Aint never gon meet the muthafucker then i don't need to learn about him. Sanji has okama blood.

                                You never gonna meet the monster trio either, will you? :happy:

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                                  yo luffy has issues with protecting people after ace's death damn

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                                    If I Aint never gon meet the muthafucker then i don't need to learn about him.

                                    You sure care a lot about Africa.

                                    1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)

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                                      yo luffy has issues with protecting people after ace's death damn

                                      It is a good thing you pointed out this. It came to me too.
                                      The way he yells to Shirahoshi to not get too far away is like he has a complex inside of him about protecting the ones he love.

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                                        Dont know who gadhafi is and i dont know if im right i just find it highly unlikely that Usopp said 弱い トリオ. Even when refering to them as the weakest.

                                        You don't know who Gadhafi is? Have you been living under a rock? Or are you one of those kinds of people who would rather know what celebrity is dating what other celebrity rather than things that actually matter?

                                        If there's one kind of person I can't stand, it's one who doesn't watch the news. :getlost: At least skim the headlines, christ.

                                        Fishmen/mermen fangroup on dA

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                                          Though I agree there not the main people in this arc. Since when has Luffy went through an arc without fighting someone who we all thought how the hell is he going to win. If Hodi is just a puppet than i think he'll realize it in the end and maybe we can see more of him in the long run. Point is Fishman island has to change in the long run. So far we haven't see any badside to FI being under new management. I doubt very seriously that Luffy will move in and try and stop Hodi. Infact for the first time since becoming a pirate he doesn't even want to stay on this isand anymore. Were going to see a whole new Luffy one who doesn't just jump in and fight meaninglessly but actually thinks as an upcoming pirate on how he can gain from a situation.

                                          Perhaps he'll take the drake road and start something with a yonkou or maybe just try and gain an ally here on the island. Either way I can't wait to hear how jenbei feels about the whole situation.

                                          You don't see that message of Don't fight Hodi to Luffy a foreshadowing of Luffy fighting Hodi? I find it odd that they'd throw that in there with nothing to come out of it. And when did Luffy say he wanted to leave the place? Maybe I missed the thing. If you mean the part about him hating it people translated it wrong, said for some reason people down there don't like them.

                                          Luffy fan.

                                          LuffyxHancock or LuffyxNami? I can't decide.

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                                            @Muah:

                                            If I Aint never gon meet the muthafucker then i don't need to learn about him. Sanji has okama blood.

                                            Muahhahahahahahaha^^

                                            And you want to show us something with your "knowledge"… LOL

                                            And yeah Sanji has Okama blood. It is fact.. Everyone knows that 👅

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                                              The thing that bugged me most about this chapter is not that Luffy got captured by a bunch of civilians (that was fine and already explained in this thread) but why Luffy used a jet pistol against the Umibozu instead of a gigant fist. He was up against a giant opponent so use a giant attack danggit. I mean why just break a tooth when he could smash his whole face in and take him down.

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                                                Its is mainly because they're in a hurry to escape so using Gear Second is the best resort.

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                                                  Does Luffy need to go all gear third on a giant that he know he can easily temporarily hurt so they can hurry up to the Sea Forest. There was no real reason to kick his ass.

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                                                    great signature hahaha

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                                                      With Luffy's new-found strength perhaps using Gear Three w/ a Giant Gun or something similar would be too much and thought that a simple attack like Jet Pistol would be enough.

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                                                        Didn't they show Mihawk using Haki when he was first introduced? I could be wrong though… but the stare he has.

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                                                        I don't think that Hyouzu should be taken so lightly, well he did manage to defend against Luffy's attack after all

                                                        When did this happen???

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                                                        ^ Arlong is more likely to join the SH's.

                                                        Remember Oda said early during the amazon lilly/impel down saga that a previous 'boss' is to join the SH's crew.

                                                        We just don't know if Arlong is still captured or what. Doesn't seem to be in FI since Hodi and the likes worship him like mad. Unless Arlong is to make a sudden appearance.

                                                        I really think it'll either be him or Croc… I am hoping for croc myself but its unlikely to actually happen.

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                                                        I've always been confused about the order of "whos the strongest" when it comes to Brook, Franky and Robin…

                                                        Is there an officail list from Oda or something that shows strongest to weakest. I know the monster trio, and the weak trio, but those three confuse me

                                                        Robin > brook= franky… they are both different types of fighters so they really can't be directly compared. But I think in their respective areas they are around the same. Robin is actually one of the most powerful members in the crew, she just rarely fights... I actually think she is stronger than Sanji.

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                                                          Didn't they show Mihawk using Haki when he was first introduced? I could be wrong though… but the stare he has.

                                                          When did this happen???

                                                          I really think it'll either be him or Croc... I am hoping for croc myself but its unlikely to actually happen.

                                                          Robin > brook= franky... they are both different types of fighters so they really can't be directly compared. But I think in their respective areas they are around the same. Robin is actually one of the most powerful members in the crew, she just rarely fights... I actually think she is stronger than Sanji.

                                                          mihawk didn't use haki.

                                                          when the 3 moron fishmen tried to capture luff ywith the net before luffy stole the prince's ride

                                                          croc and arlong joining luffy imo is way too farfetched, but they mit ehave a change of heart. i just dont really see it though.

                                                          robin > brook = franky??? robin > sanji? ur a moron.

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                                                            When did this happen???

                                                            http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/610/4
                                                            http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/610/5

                                                            Hyouzou seems to me like the strongest person introduced so far on Fishman Island (except for Jimbei). He blocked an attack from a non-handicapped Luffy, Decken and Hodi got wrecked by handicapped Luffy and Zoro.

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                                                              ^ Arlong is more likely to join the SH's.

                                                              Remember Oda said early during the amazon lilly/impel down saga that a previous 'boss' is to join the SH's crew.

                                                              We just don't know if Arlong is still captured or what. Doesn't seem to be in FI since Hodi and the likes worship him like mad. Unless Arlong is to make a sudden appearance.

                                                              I really don't think so. I don't think Nami would let Arlong become a member of their crew. Maybe Hachi but I don't think he'd go for it.

                                                              At this point I don't think Van Der Decken or Hordy Jones are the main villians of this arc. I think they're gonna be defeated easily and then this arc will come to an end. It's too late in the arc for Oda-Sensei to introduce a new evil character. But who knows?

                                                              Edit: Oh wait I forgot! There is a main villian already! Caribou duh! (Not really). But really though what do you guys think he's up to right now? (Besides raping mermaids)

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                                                                too late in the arc? the arc has just started… it is still less than 15 chapters long..

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                                                                  I really think it'll either be him or Croc… I am hoping for croc myself but its unlikely to actually happen.

                                                                  We've been over this so many times that any serious consideration of Arlong joining is considered pure retardedness.

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                                                                  naruto was WAY MORE KICKASS after the timeskip

                                                                  i mean to show his badassness, him and sakura managed to get the bell from kakashi. beating pacifista's is so lame compared to that awesomeness

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                                                                    yo luffy has issues with protecting people after ace's death damn

                                                                    Luffy has always been this way about protecting people.

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                                                                      Hello Everyone,

                                                                      long time lurker, been reading the series over and over and coming to the forum for years now…just now deciding to post for some reason.

                                                                      annyywayy... this chapter is soo :3

                                                                      sorry if any of this has been mentioned before but...luffy fighting hodi with his arms tied is like hodi fighting the random pirate crew with his hands cuffed.....awesome oda.....i bet he'll find out that fishman island is being controlled by some mastermind controlling the fishman drugs...maybe a commander from big mam's crew is corrupted and using the candy factory as a front? also IDK how I would feel about Zoro having some secret eye technique.......ehh.....i'm excited for brooke...I bet he has the power to control, or hypnotize people with his music now, maybe like a less powerful don-flamingo situation :).. I bet zoro will probably say something like "WHY DIDN'T YOU USE THAT FROM THE START" or something like that....I wonder how old I'll be when the series is over...hmm...like 30?...im 19 now so...

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                                                                        Anymore discussion on whether people have Haki or not, take it to the Haki thread; I've moved the posts there.

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                                                                          Hello Everyone,

                                                                          long time lurker, been reading the series over and over and coming to the forum for years now…just now deciding to post for some reason.

                                                                          annyywayy... this chapter is soo :3

                                                                          sorry if any of this has been mentioned before but...luffy fighting hodi with his arms tied is like hodi fighting the random pirate crew with his hands cuffed.....awesome oda.....i bet he'll find out that fishman island is being controlled by some mastermind controlling the fishman drugs...maybe a commander from big mam's crew is corrupted and using the candy factory as a front? also IDK how I would feel about Zoro having some secret eye technique.......ehh.....i'm excited for brooke...I bet he has the power to control, or hypnotize people with his music now, maybe like a less powerful don-flamingo situation :).. I bet zoro will probably say something like "WHY DIDN'T YOU USE THAT FROM THE START" or something like that....I wonder how old I'll be when the series is over...hmm...like 30?...im 19 now so...

                                                                          why does someone from big moms crew have to be corrupted? Why can't big mom just be dealing drugs?

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                                                                            why does someone from big moms crew have to be corrupted? Why can't big mom just be dealing drugs?

                                                                            why does big mom have to be the one dealing drugs? why can't someone from big moms crew be corrupted?

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                                                                              why does big mom have to be the one dealing drugs? why can't someone from big moms crew be corrupted?

                                                                              Because it would be a welcome change to have a yonkou as an antagonist, instead of them being chummy with the Strawhats.

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                                                                                I would think the balance of power for the Yonkou being two good, two bad/evil, so yeah, I think Linlin is going to be a asshole like Kaido.

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                                                                                  It would be nice if Big Mom was evil, but everything seems to point to her being good and probably Lola's mom.

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                                                                                    Sunny_Gunn_Son, you may be a new member, but please don't go on about Zoro having a secret eye technique. I hate the fact that people think he has a power that is laying dormant in his 'closed eye' only to be unleashed at the right moment. Please the people that are bringing this crap up, put it to rest.

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                                                                                    It would be nice if Big Mom was evil, but everything seems to point to her being good and probably Lola's mom.

                                                                                    The candy factory could be a front. She could only be protecting the island because of her investment on it. I actually want to believe that Lola's mum isn't a yonkou. The yonkou are all well known and I doubt that she wouldn't have dropped that line if she was.

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                                                                                      Zoro swears to destroy Brittania, while making over-dramatic gestures and poses.

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                                                                                        Big mom is about making money which is why she is also a pirate for money!
                                                                                        it will be someone working for her that is in charge of making and selling the drugs and hodi/new fishman pirates was probly getting free ones because they were given them for testing the effects just like how mice are used for testing drugs before they are used by humans.

                                                                                        therefore by beating Hodi and his crew they become enemys of the person Big mom left to take care of the drug making so they wont be fighting big mom herself this arc.

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                                                                                          Zoro swears to destroy Brittania, while making over-dramatic gestures and poses.

                                                                                          16 charss of Lol at the Code Geas Reference


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                                                                                            mhm… some here says that big mom is the one selling drugs or is the bad person. But i don't this is the case. I think that big mom is actually a good person. She took Fishman island under her territory after WB died. Isn't that saying she's protecting the FI. The drugs are probably being sell by another person. Though does the person has an evil intention to control the Fishman or not is another question. It could just have been some random drug in from the New World.

                                                                                            And another reason I think big mom is not evil/bad or anything is because i think she's Lola's mom. bear with me. If you look at Big mom pirate flag. The most prominent thing you would notice is the freakishly big lips. Lola had a freakishly big lips.

                                                                                            And beside one of the pirates with lola said that her mom is an amazing pirate. Plus, lola gave Nami her vivre card so that they can meet with her mom. it's clue enough that lola's mom will be playing a major role… so my guess she is Big mom.... oh yeah, another clue.... she's a mom. (Lola's mom)

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                                                                                              Setting aside whether or not she's a good person I just don't see what benifit there is for Big Mom to cause chaos at FI or replace Neptune with the NFP. According to Pappag the kingdom relies on having the protection of a yonkou to maintain stability. Clearly the Royal family have been willing to make at least a few concessions in order to aquire that protection from Big Mom. Since she already has a deal with the people in power there doesn't appear much to be gained by ousting them.

                                                                                              Based on Caribou's behavior it's a pretty fair assumption that the yonkou threat to the pirates who visit the island is rooted in the immigration process. By taking down everyones name and looking for ability users, they can make sure anyone who causes trouble in the city has to deal with the wrath of the yonkou once they get to the NW. In my opinion the yonkou are entrenched in the NW and wouldn't voluntarily risk loosing ground to rivals over FI.

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                                                                                                I like the idea where Do Flamingo has something to do with the drugs, he looks like a guy who likes having fun… wink wink ;D

                                                                                                My name is Dracule Mihawk!! It's too soon for you to die. Discover yourself. See the world!! And grow strong, Zoro!!! However long it may take… I shall await you at the top. Strive with your whole heart and mind to best this blade, fierce one!!! Strive to surpass me, Roronoa Zoro!!!

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                                                                                                    ROFL! You rock Oda.

                                                                                                    Nice catch btw.

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                                                                                                        Doflamingo would be a good choice for evil char, he was behind the whole money making at Jaya island with bellamy. And then the slave trade bussines on shabaody archipel so why not a drug store ^^ but then again it was big mom flag on it… so who knows

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