It was trailing the ground, I'm sure. Luffy is still a short shit.
Edit: Speaking of the color spread, this is the 1st one in 618 chapters that I didn't like. Oda jacked up the perspectives this time.
Luffy and I share the same height. :(
Chapter 618: "Proposal" Discussion
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anyways, it is just a wild guess.. another thjing, maybe the reason why jenbie don't want the SH fight with Hodi because he knows that Hodi is no match for them and he don't want to ruin the ambition of Hodi like what he did to Arlong…
he doesn't want to destroy Hodi's ambitions that are totally wrong? His ambition is being the best racist out there so I am quite sure Jinbei doesn't want to support this ambition.
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Is it ok to assume all of Luffy's Jet attacks imbued with haki?
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@Myu:
Is it ok to assume all of Luffy's Jet attacks imbued with haki?
I don't think so, I think it's only the ones that give a direct hit
like gomu gomu no (jet) pistol, bazooka, spear, and such :ninja: -
Ok i just read it again when everyone say there are mistranslations. And now i kinda agree with this line:
Zoro vs. Hodi
Sanji Vs. Decken
Brook Vs. Hyouzu
another SHP fights the NFP's lieteunant
Luffy? I thing i agree with opinion said let him rest and see another nakama's growths. And to see that Zoro and Sanji are capable now to beat the boss standard enemies. Afterall Luffy has through AL, ID, and Marineford in past arc…
Jinbei will be jinbei. And i dont think he will fight Luffy later... or noA brief relaxing
shimacrow@MS
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Ok i just read it again when everyone say there are mistranslations. And now i kinda agree with this line:
Zoro vs. Hodi
Sanji Vs. Decken
Brook Vs. Hyouzu
another SHP fights the NFP's lieteunant
Luffy? I thing i agree with opinion said let him rest and see another nakama's growths. And to see that Zoro and Sanji are capable now to beat the boss standard enemies. Afterall Luffy has through AL, ID, and Marineford in past arc…
Jinbei will be jinbei. And i dont think he will fight Luffy later... or noI don't think that Hyouzu should be taken so lightly, well he did manage to defend against Luffy's attack after all and that's just what I'm thinking… someone who can defend against that shouldn't be left to brook to take care of... though I'm not sure how poison will affect a skeleton like Brook... oh I don't know... no definately not, I think he's too good for Brook to handle without some serious casualties at least!
edit And than again we haven't really seen much of what he's capable of... neither of them for that matter!
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I don't think so, I think it's only the ones that give a direct hit
like gomu gomu no (jet) pistol, bazooka, spear, and such :ninja:Then I don't like the fact that Wadatsumi's only a tooth broken. Haki attacks should be much stronger in my point of view. I don't care if it is a giant, or mega giant. :happy:
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@Myu:
Then I don't like the fact that Wadatsumi's only a tooth broken. Haki attacks should be much stronger in my point of view. I don't care if it is a giant, or mega giant. :happy:
I think Luffy was just simply aimin at the tooth that's why it is the only thing broken :ninja:
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It's not too strange, really. Luffy's tiny little hand hitting a beast THAT big just isn't going to do much even with a massive force behind it. Besides, he only aimed for the tooth from what I can tell so it makes sense that it was only the tooth that broke >_>
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It's not too strange, really. Luffy's tiny little hand hitting a beast THAT big just isn't going to do much even with a massive force behind it.
Well I still think it would have done more damage if he would punched something else than the darn tooth, so I'm thinking he only broke the tooth because that's all he was going to break in the first place!
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It's not too strange, really. Luffy's tiny little hand hitting a beast THAT big just isn't going to do much even with a massive force behind it. Besides, he only aimed for the tooth from what I can tell so it makes sense that it was only the tooth that broke >_>
**Don't see why not.
But yeah, he obviously aimed for the tooth.**
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It's not too strange, really. Luffy's tiny little hand hitting a beast THAT big just isn't going to do much even with a massive force behind it. Besides, he only aimed for the tooth from what I can tell so it makes sense that it was only the tooth that broke >_>
And now I see you did edit the post
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I figure that it wouldn't because Wadatsumi probably has ridiculously insane physical strength and durability just by virtue of his size. Even the huge monsters they've beaten in the past like Croc's… crocs have been nowhere even remotely close to his size to my recollection.
And yeah sorry, I edit my posts a lot. I try to do it quickly but don't always manage in time before someone sees it, but oh well.
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I figure that it wouldn't because Wadatsumi probably has ridiculously insane physical strength and durability just by virtue of his size. Even the huge monsters they've beaten in the past like Croc's… crocs have been nowhere even remotely close to his size to my recollection.
And yeah sorry, I edit my posts a lot. I try to do it quickly but don't always manage in time before someone sees it, but oh well.
Quite allright mate, I do the same thing, never really thought about if people find it annoying but than again I allways clarify in the post: edit… and that's when I start typing
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But I mean if there was enough force behind it the giant would definitely feel it. I mean, you don't think Wolf can just brush off a Roger or Garp punch, do you?
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I don't think that Wadatsumi wouldn't even feel it, or anything. I guess I expressed myself a bit poorly. I only meant that Wadatsumi by virtue of being so ridiculously huge probably has incredibly high natural durability which is only worsened by Luffy's fist being so small (i.e. if someone like Oars punched with the same velocity it would have much more of an effect) so punching his tooth might actually hurt more than hitting his body.
I do get the impression that using G3 is a lot more effective on huge creatures like Wada, Wolf or even the Kraken.
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But I mean if there was enough force behind it the giant would definitely feel it. I mean, you don't think Wolf can just brush off a Roger or Garp punch, do you?
Well ofcourse he would feel it, if Luffy and those guys could beat up that big off a crocodile hide than why not a big giant that can breath under water, I'm sure he doesn't have that much armor on him and plus those crocs were even pre timeskip and they have taken out bigger things since! Well of course Oz was a problem but he was also a zombie he couldn't feel any attack no matter how strong it was they actually had to crush his body
I don't think that Wadatsumi wouldn't even feel it, or anything. I guess I expressed myself a bit poorly. I only meant that Wadatsumi by virtue of being so ridiculously huge probably has incredibly high natural durability which is only worsened by Luffy's fist being so small (i.e. if someone like Oars punched with the same velocity it would have much more of an effect) so punching his tooth might actually hurt more than hitting his body.
I do get the impression that using G3 is a lot more effective on huge creatures like Wada, Wolf or even the Kraken.
I agree with nothing… except that G3 would have more of an effect offcourse
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I don't think that Hyouzu should be taken so lightly, well he did manage to defend against Luffy's attack after all and that's just what I'm thinking… someone who can defend against that shouldn't be left to brook to take care of... though I'm not sure how poison will affect a skeleton like Brook... oh I don't know... no definately not, I think he's too good for Brook to handle without some serious casualties at least!
edit And than again we haven't really seen much of what he's capable of... neither of them for that matter!
Woot, i think we too underestimate brook a little. We cant say that Brook doesnt got anything from his past 2 years experience, can we?
I could say, maybe he is capable to use his skills that only Ryuma can use before via Brook's shadow…A brief relaxing
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Woot, i think we too underestimate brook a little. We cant say that Brook doesnt got anything from his past 2 years experience, can we?
I could say, maybe he is capable to use his skills that only Ryuma can use before via Brook's shadow…I also said in my edit that we didn't actually know much about either of them (meaning their skills)!
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Woot, i think we too underestimate brook a little. We cant say that Brook doesnt got anything from his past 2 years experience, can we?
I could say, maybe he is capable to use his skills that only Ryuma can use before via Brook's shadow…Brook spent 5 years training to be strong enough to try and reclaim his shadow.
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Then take into account how long he has been alive his avenue for advancement seems to be resting in his music - which is where his whole training arc seemed to direct us to believe.
Just because he may be immune to poison due to having no skin - does not mean that he can take on the greatest fishmen swordsmen. The poison was a reflex action and he was under instructions not to hurt Luffy (iirc)
That isn't to say Brook may not fight him - but it wont be the end battle thats for sure. To take a RPG aspect Brook will probably be for buffing and debuffing fighters and protecting Nami Usopp and Robin using their ranged attacks.
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Brook spent 5 years training to be strong enough to try and reclaim his shadow.
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Then take into account how long he has been alive his avenue for advancement seems to be resting in his music - which is where his whole training arc seemed to direct us to believe.
Just because he may be immune to poison due to having no skin - does not mean that he can take on the greatest fishmen swordsmen. The poison was a reflex action and he was under instructions not to hurt Luffy (iirc)
That isn't to say Brook may not fight him - but it wont be the end battle thats for sure. To take a RPG aspect Brook will probably be for buffing and debuffing fighters and protecting Nami Usopp and Robin using their ranged attacks.
Robin does not need the level of protection Brook can offer. If an enemy strong enough to take her out appears, then the weakest one that might be able to protect her is franky, which also makes sense with the [serious mom/crazy dad] dynamic they have going.
Speaking of which, I really want to see him fight in a 1v1. I still want to see what crazy ass things Oda would come up with in a robot manga >.<
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Robin does not need the level of protection Brook can offer. If an enemy strong enough to take her out appears, then the weakest one that might be able to protect her is franky, which also makes sense with the [serious mom/crazy dad] dynamic they have going.
Speaking of which, I really want to see him fight in a 1v1. I still want to see what crazy ass things Oda would come up with in a robot manga >.<
Now that i totally agree. We never see robot fight manoemano with any enemy except Fukuro of course. and lol at serious mom/crazy dad thing dude
thats really ODA!Nope i positive with Brook vs Hyouzu. Zoro got his hand full with Hodi, and yes, he rape Hodi we know.
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I think if Hodi uses his dangerous mind and gets Hyouzou to poison Zoro then a Hyouzou vs Zoro fight is unavoidable.
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You guys think Luffy used soru this chapter? Or was that just him jumping?
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I want to see something like enies lobby where they all had a 1v1 fight
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Hyouzou looks like a loyal guy, I don't think he will fight the SH, I even think he might become an ally.
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You guys think Luffy used soru this chapter? Or was that just him jumping?
I don't know if we should call what luffy does soru but he definitely used gear 2.
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I don't know if we should call what luffy does soru but he definitely used gear 2.
He uses G2 for all his attacks now, but I'm not sure he uses G2 for his soru anymore.
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He uses G2 for all his attacks now, but I'm not sure he uses G2 for his soru anymore.
He trained for two years so I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to move really fast w/out G2 now. But its hard to tell if he actually has since he moves too fast for us to tell.
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Hyouzou looks like a loyal guy, I don't think he will fight the SH, I even think he might become an ally.
Still I'm wondering if he could poison Brooke, as he is all bones !?Loyal? Are you serious? Hyouzou is a whore who kills people for money. He'll probably get paid off by someone.
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I do have an idea who the real villain might be. I think it is another member of the Fishman Pirates (Jimbei's crew), not the New Fishman Pirates. Jimbei was captain of the Fishman Pirates, the former sunny pirates, who would have a strong connection to Fisher Tiger; As strong as Jimbei, Arlong, etc.
Unlike Hodi and the NFP who were just children, Jimbei's crew would directly have known Fisher Tiger. Notice that Jimbei's crew is not with him - he is alone at the Sea Forest. Fishman - Human relations at Fishman Island are very high…Decken and Hodi are troublemakers, but neither truly rivals Jimbei in power. "Boss" Jimbei is also called knight of the sea. He’s too honorable to let even a blood relative run around committing the same crimes as Arlong. He would NOT fight Luffy over doing the honorable thing, even if it was defeating his son in his battle.
Jimbei’s reason for warning Luffy not to fight Hodi is simple – Hodi is seemingly attempting to adopt the will of not only Arlong, but also is twisting the words and ideals of Fisher Tiger to rally support amongst the Fishmen. The name of Fisher Tiger would likely resonate with those on Jimbei’s crew who formerly served under Fisher Tiger. At the time, it is apparent Jimbei’s crew is not with him – but they’re not causing trouble either. Should Jimbei’s crew be on the fence…a human defeating Hodi, a man claiming to bear Fisher Tiger’s will would make him into a martyr for the cause of turning Fishmen against humans. By Luffy (or in this case Zoro) defeating Hodi, an even more powerful and charismatic leader will rise up amongst the Fishmen…from Jimbei’s (and Tiger’s) former crew; A former member of the Sunny Pirates and the Fishman Pirates (not the Arlong Pirates, New Fishman Pirates, or Decken’s crew), perhaps a former first mate (just an example)…perhaps the one responsible for either Tiger’s death (Tiger didn’t hate humans…maybe this true villain thought he went soft) or Shirahoshi’s Mother’s death.
A lot at the end here is just speculation, but I think it is not Jimbei, but certainly someone with deep connections to Fisher Tiger, perhaps someone who can sway Jimbei’s crew over to his side, perhaps Jimbei’s former first mate, perhaps Tiger’s former first mate, perhaps the one responsible for Tiger and / or Shirahoshi’s Mother’s death(s).
copy / pasted from another thread where it was proposed that Jimbei might be the real villain of this arc because Hodi is his son, so there are parts in this post that address that theory…they're not relevant to this discussion...but the rest is.
It was apparent from the start that neither Hodi nor Decken would be the big arc villain.
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nope. If we talk about new nakama…
Luffy: If you wanted to prove fishmen are not a slave to human, come with me!
Hodi: You bet!Well its kinda lame, but i just think that maybe Jinbe have some kind of relationship to Hodi, like Shanks to Luffy and Zeff to Sanji.
Err, someone with me??A brief relaxing
shimacrow@MS
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I think Sanji being willing to die for his dreams shows that he has grown. When we first met him he was calling zoro an idiot for fighting mihawk and he thought both zoro and luffy were crazy.
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^ Arlong is more likely to join the SH's.
Remember Oda said early during the amazon lilly/impel down saga that a previous 'boss' is to join the SH's crew.
We just don't know if Arlong is still captured or what. Doesn't seem to be in FI since Hodi and the likes worship him like mad. Unless Arlong is to make a sudden appearance.
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Robin does not need the level of protection Brook can offer. If an enemy strong enough to take her out appears, then the weakest one that might be able to protect her is franky, which also makes sense with the [serious mom/crazy dad] dynamic they have going.
Speaking of which, I really want to see him fight in a 1v1. I still want to see what crazy ass things Oda would come up with in a robot manga >.<
Who says franky is stronger than brook? To me they were both weaker than ryoma. Usopp and Nami don't need protection. I think Usopp has already proved that he can defeat a merman.
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I think all the Strawhats are stronger than others in certain areas.
Robin would have crossed through the gates if Sogeking didn't shoot from that far of a distance. The marines even said there guns couldn't shoot that far, and that even if they could, the wind would have made the bullets actually hitting almost impossible.There isn't a clear definition of who is stronger while in combat. Look at Lucci vs Kaku, Lucci has a doriki almost 2 times Kaku, but does that mean he is that much stronger in combat? Most likely not. We saw that Kaku had a better mastery of Rankyaku then Lucci. Zoro probably would have been able to beat Jyabura, but Sanji wouldn't have a huge chance of winning vs Kaku, Why? First, Zoro has attacks that fly, Sanji doesn't. Second, Kaku had a much larger range than Zoro, and Zoro had swords. Sanji's limited reach would have made fighting someone like Kaku extremely difficult.
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Who says franky is stronger than brook? To me they were both weaker than ryoma. Usopp and Nami don't need protection. I think Usopp has already proved that he can defeat a merman.
I've always been confused about the order of "whos the strongest" when it comes to Brook, Franky and Robin…
Is there an officail list from Oda or something that shows strongest to weakest. I know the monster trio, and the weak trio, but those three confuse me
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Franky always seemed stronger than Brooke, to me. Franky's a real powerhouse; he is really, really physically strong, can take attacks like a champ and has a lot of variety with all his different tech and gadgets. Brooke's faster, but I'd say that Franky is overall stronger than him.
This may or may not be indicative, but Franky also has a higher bounty than Brooke. I know Brooke's is outdated and all that, but if you notice, Oda still does use bounties as somewhat representative of the SHs internal order (i.e. L/Z/S are at the top excluding Robin, and Nami/Usopp/Chopper are at the bottom as the in-universe confirmed "weak trio"). If he meant for Brooke to be > Franky, he might've simply made his bounty higher.
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In the right conditions, I would say Sanji would be Zoro. Close up, Zoro's attacks are predictable and Sanji can kick the sword before it gains the momentum to actually hit him.
Brook would lose to Franky, but we see brook has agility on his side during the Flying fish arc. He could run on water and have enough power to cut down the fish.
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It would depend on what enemy they would face. Brook's fast, and light. He makes quick, precise cuts. Franky is a powerhouse, he launches rockets, Uses his giant arms for boxing, and can shoot Air as a cannon. Both are different, but if both were to fight, I would say Franky would win.
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I am confused about how Robin's ability is weak though. Couldn't she beat Luffy? But if Luffy is going into Soru, she wouldn't be able to see him, and she wouldn't be able to sprout arms. Is there a limit on her power? If she can lift 20 pounds an arm, but then sprouts 1000 arms, we see her force output would be around 20,000 pounds!?!?!?!
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I've always been confused about the order of "whos the strongest" when it comes to Brook, Franky and Robin…
Is there an officail list from Oda or something that shows strongest to weakest. I know the monster trio, and the weak trio, but those three confuse me
There is no monster trio or weakest trio it's all just made up by fans. It's kinda like WB's Crew. All we know is the captain is the strongest along with his division commanders. If Oda wanted there to be a list of strongest than he would have said so sooner or later. We all know Sanji and Zoro are stronger than the rest, the rest is just speculation.
Im sure people were confused as to how robin could join when she easily knock swords out of Zoro's hands. Infact I think it was already explained by Sanji that they just work as a team without worrying about whos stronger. They step in and save each other all the time. Like when Usopp fought Perona. So it's best not to worry about it.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I do have an idea who the real villain might be. I think it is another member of the Fishman Pirates (Jimbei's crew), not the New Fishman Pirates. Jimbei was captain of the Fishman Pirates, the former sunny pirates, who would have a strong connection to Fisher Tiger; As strong as Jimbei, Arlong, etc.
Unlike Hodi and the NFP who were just children, Jimbei's crew would directly have known Fisher Tiger. Notice that Jimbei's crew is not with him - he is alone at the Sea Forest. Fishman - Human relations at Fishman Island are very high…Decken and Hodi are troublemakers, but neither truly rivals Jimbei in power. "Boss" Jimbei is also called knight of the sea. He’s too honorable to let even a blood relative run around committing the same crimes as Arlong. He would NOT fight Luffy over doing the honorable thing, even if it was defeating his son in his battle.
Jimbei’s reason for warning Luffy not to fight Hodi is simple – Hodi is seemingly attempting to adopt the will of not only Arlong, but also is twisting the words and ideals of Fisher Tiger to rally support amongst the Fishmen. The name of Fisher Tiger would likely resonate with those on Jimbei’s crew who formerly served under Fisher Tiger. At the time, it is apparent Jimbei’s crew is not with him – but they’re not causing trouble either. Should Jimbei’s crew be on the fence…a human defeating Hodi, a man claiming to bear Fisher Tiger’s will would make him into a martyr for the cause of turning Fishmen against humans. By Luffy (or in this case Zoro) defeating Hodi, an even more powerful and charismatic leader will rise up amongst the Fishmen…from Jimbei’s (and Tiger’s) former crew; A former member of the Sunny Pirates and the Fishman Pirates (not the Arlong Pirates, New Fishman Pirates, or Decken’s crew), perhaps a former first mate (just an example)…perhaps the one responsible for either Tiger’s death (Tiger didn’t hate humans…maybe this true villain thought he went soft) or Shirahoshi’s Mother’s death.
A lot at the end here is just speculation, but I think it is not Jimbei, but certainly someone with deep connections to Fisher Tiger, perhaps someone who can sway Jimbei’s crew over to his side, perhaps Jimbei’s former first mate, perhaps Tiger’s former first mate, perhaps the one responsible for Tiger and / or Shirahoshi’s Mother’s death(s).
copy / pasted from another thread where it was proposed that Jimbei might be the real villain of this arc because Hodi is his son, so there are parts in this post that address that theory…they're not relevant to this discussion...but the rest is.
It was apparent from the start that neither Hodi nor Decken would be the big arc villain.
i dont see how hodi is twisting anyones words he's simply just doing what arlong was doing. VDD and Hodi could easily be jenbei's strenght. VDD has a DF and i doubt he's weak just because luffy kicked him. Hodi has incredible strength stronger than any villain shown so and hasn't even popped pills yet. Im sure he can give Zoro a run for his money he was probably just caught off guard because im sure he could outmaneuver Zoro under water. VDD aren't going to get stomped. People are just excited to see fights that they're missing the obvious. Hodi and jones have a good chance of taking out the fishman pirates and take over fishman island.
Though I agree there not the main people in this arc. Since when has Luffy went through an arc without fighting someone who we all thought how the hell is he going to win. If Hodi is just a puppet than i think he'll realize it in the end and maybe we can see more of him in the long run. Point is Fishman island has to change in the long run. So far we haven't see any badside to FI being under new management. I doubt very seriously that Luffy will move in and try and stop Hodi. Infact for the first time since becoming a pirate he doesn't even want to stay on this isand anymore. Were going to see a whole new Luffy one who doesn't just jump in and fight meaninglessly but actually thinks as an upcoming pirate on how he can gain from a situation.
Perhaps he'll take the drake road and start something with a yonkou or maybe just try and gain an ally here on the island. Either way I can't wait to hear how jenbei feels about the whole situation.
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nope. If we talk about new nakama…
Luffy: If you wanted to prove fishmen are not a slave to human, come with me!
Hodi: You bet!Well its kinda lame, but i just think that maybe Jinbe have some kind of relationship to Hodi, like Shanks to Luffy and Zeff to Sanji.
Err, someone with me??I think theres absoloutly no way of Hodi actually joining the crew, it would suck what makes him strawhat material exactly!? He's a dirtbag!
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There is a monster trio. Usopp called them monsters.
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Usopp also made the weakling trio "canon" too when he said he's no longer part of the "weakling trio" (nami/chopper/usopp).
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I am confused about how Robin's ability is weak though. Couldn't she beat Luffy? But if Luffy is going into Soru, she wouldn't be able to see him, and she wouldn't be able to sprout arms. Is there a limit on her power? If she can lift 20 pounds an arm, but then sprouts 1000 arms, we see her force output would be around 20,000 pounds!?!?!?!
I think Oda answered that question here:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v48/c468/2.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v48/c468/15.htmlThat's Zoro's zombie, with less strength probably but still. Robin tries to restrain him, but can't because he's too physically strong – that's what would happen if she tried to restrain people like the Monster Trio in a serious fight, and thus the limit of her ability.
There is no monster trio or weakest trio
Both "the three monsters" and "the weakling trio" have been said, literally, by characters in the Strawhat crew. They are official (or, at least, before the timeskip - the lines may begin to blur between the "weak" and the "middle" trio at this point).
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There is no monster trio or weakest trio it's all just made up by fans.
How about this????? http://www.mangareader.net/103-57801-13/one-piece/chapter-598.html
There is such a thing my friend you're are wrong!!
edit and now I see I was a little too late with everything but the actual link!!
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I doubt he said monster trio that was probaly just the translator putting it into fan terms. If he was serious about the statement than that mean he surpassed either Franky or Robin which I doubt.
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Yes, the whole monster and weakling trio is in the actual story.
We also saw when Nami asked Usopp to build her a weapon, she said,
"I feel like I am weak enough to become a burden. I know me and you won't ever be able to catch up to their strength. That is why you spend countless hours inventing these weapons."That is a very rough quote, so it isn't 100% exact, but best I could do from memory.
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@ultimateclima:
Usopp also made the weakling trio "canon" too when he said he's no longer part of the "weakling trio" (nami/chopper/usopp).
The weakling trio exists because of ussop lol. He's influenced Nami and chopper into thinking that it's still alright to be normal and that the others are just not natural. I thought he might have grown out of it but he proved he hadn't last chapter. Ussop will have the most trouble learning haki because he is the guy with the most disbelief in one piece.
