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I don't feel like reading 200+ posts, so I'll just ask a question first. Has anyone theorized the use of Luffy's robot ally against CP9?
Hah, I think it'd be absolutely hilarious. Imagine if Luffy started using Lucci's own fists to hit him. XD
Luffy: "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"
Lucci: "GRRRR!!!"
It totally fits in with Luffy's kinda goofy, off-beat style in serious battles.
It was certainly a "new move", but sadly, it will only work against small fries. The CP9 don't seem like the type to hesitate attacking an ally. If used on a Rokushiki user, it would nullify Kamie and Soru, though.
I'm kinda confused; Douriki couldn't possibly have meant pure strength, right?
Taken from stephen's translation, ch. 379:
Jabura: WELL!! Don't get TOO cocky Kaku!!
Te-awase's only a method to measure the level of your athletics!! Athletics: In terms of technique, speed and dexterity, Kaku, Lucci and Jyabura are the top three righteously. But Blueno has displayed amazing feats of strength that I don't think Kaku could have performed; destroying Tilestone's hammer, pulling detached Puffing Tom carts…Blueno's douriki is somewhat misleading; although it accurately gauges his athletics, it sure doesn't gauge his strength. I also believe that his Tekkai is tougher than the others', simply because it has withstood Sanji's Concasse, Franky's punch and Tilestone's hammer. It is also the skill that he used the most.
I'm sure it's accurate (maybe even literal), but I don't think "athletics" or "body movement" make much sense. Or at least I don't get it.
I saw it as hitting power. There are slim, very skilled martial artists that can outhit heavyweight pro boxers that are stronger otherwise. I think that's the case with Blueno: he's good at physical stuff, but as a fighter, he's way behind Kaku.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
Yeah, I agree with changso, I think that douriki is more of an overall ability rather than just pure strength. Although, I wouldn't put it past Kaku or Lucci to be able to do some of the same feats- after all, some of their actions in Dock 1 (opening the huge doors, carrying gigantic saws) show that they are probably close to, if not as strong as Blueno.
I'm sure it's accurate (maybe even literal), but I don't think "athletics" or "body movement" makes much sense. Or at least I don't get it.
I saw it as hitting power. Someone could arm curl 100 pounds, but not hit as hard as a very skilled martial artist. I think that's the case with Blueno: he's good at physical stuff, but as a fighter, he's way behind Kaku.
Yeah, that's a good analogy. Kaku does seem like the technique kind of guy.
But Blueno's still got a really powerful Tekkai, though. Maybe credit to his body mass and crazy strength. And he's not that easy to toss into a ravine/ocean like what Robin did to Yama. He's a teleporting, double/triple/n-ple jumping power house.
I'm sure it's accurate (maybe even literal), but I don't think "athletics" or "body movement" make much sense. Or at least I don't get it.
I saw it as hitting power. There are slim, very skilled martial artists that can outhit heavyweight pro boxers that are stronger otherwise. I think that's the case with Blueno: he's good at physical stuff, but as a fighter, he's way behind Kaku.
Actually I think that athletics makes much sense if you look at the body´s of the top three. They all have a very "athletic" body compared to Blueno, Kumadori and Fukuro. Califa is last because Teawese itself is also a sexist method. :laugh:
Another reason why I think athletics makes sense is what Lucci said about Zoan type DF´s and that´s that they boost up your speed and strenght in other words athletics. It appears to be an important part of the CP9ers skills.
Other than that if you look at the real Track and Field athletes are actually really strong you just don´t think of it that way. At my University I´ve witnessed competitions between Track and Field athletes and bodybuilders or combat athletes and when ever it was about strenght competitions the majority of the Track and Field athletes triumphed. In total they are fitter. It´s true.
Blueno's douriki is somewhat misleading; although it accurately gauges his athletics, it sure doesn't gauge his strength. I also believe that his Tekkai is tougher than the others', simply because it has withstood Sanji's Concasse, Franky's punch and Tilestone's hammer. It is also the skill that he used the most.
Yep, this is one of the reasons I would like to see Robin go up against Blueno. It would be one of the toughest fights for her with his Tekkai. In Skypeia Robin went up against Yama and got injured while going to great lengths to try and protect the relics. Imagine her now fighting to protect the SHs - I think that would be a kickass battle.
I'm still agaisnt a Robin match up
in the midst of this whole situation, I can't see Robin choosing to fight unless Luffy has the chance to give her a heart warming speach or something. If he does manage to reach her, Spandam probly would order the CP9 to take care of Luffy while Spandam took Robin down to a secure cell or something.
An amusing picture of Luffy trying to take all the CP9 down but getting sent back a few gates maybe back to the other SH. Maybe then Fukurou will have calculated Luffy's douriki to somewhere around Lucci's or even above it, perking Lucci's interest xD
I believe for SogeKing, Nami possiblely Chopper and Sanji too that the dials from sky piea will play a very significant role in defeating the CP9. For sure Zoro or Luffy won't use those, but Soge King and Nami definately. Usopp has used the impact dial a total of 3 times no? 2 in the davy back race and 1 against Luffy? all of those time he injured his arm so by now I think he must have thought of a way to conquer that weakness
Maybe he placed an Impact Dial on the bottom of his staff that would lessen the shock to his arm but possibly ruin his weapon, kind of a one shot gamle like Nami's tornado tempo. The reason why I see Sanji and Chopper possiblely using dials as well is because well it could give them distinct advantages and it doesn't seem out fo their character
a Flash Dial or Breeze Dial filled with smoke seems like a good ploy? But I still want Chopper to fight Blueno. HE MUST, out of all the straw hats Chopper problely has the best natural ability to negate Blueno's air door. HIS NOSE DAMN IT! If Blueno just makes a door in the air, his scent won't dissappear so Chopper can find him with ease! Come on! Give Chopper some cred!!
alright im goinjg to ask u all a question what order will they fight in i bet this.
luffy vs lucci(first match) outcome: luffy does damage to lucci,but lucci turns into a cat and beats him,but keeps him alive so he can witness nico robin's death
next califa will be waiting at the gate when the other starwhats arrive. nami will say go ahead without and battle calfia and win
kaku vs sogeking: sogeking will fight kaku for a rematch and lose.
zipper mouth vs chopper: chopper will win and zipper mouth tells him where robin and franky are.
chpper will go to the to the main place where franky and robin are. he notices luffy knocked out. he get's pissed and charges lucci. kaku will get in the when and use some cool move to knock chopper threw a window. before he falls out. zoro will appear and catch him. next match up.
kaku vs zoro: zoro will win
after that spamdam will be pissed and order the other cp9 members to go look for the other strawhats.
then i havent really thought of the rest yet. 
_ Originally Posted by mr.allsunday
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lmao warp that's a nice idea but why is Zoro coming out near the end? He'd be the first (other then Luffy) to try and tackle the CP9
I don't think it'll be an orderly fight. IMO i think it'll be like a huge team mass then they'll break into 1vs1 or 2vs2 depending on the people…. then show bits of each fight then have two to three chapters for each fight with Luffy's fight last
with me i think that the way the stories gone so far, it'd be too predictable to make Zoro fight the second strongest guy in the arc that's the making of Sanji's bounty, i can actually fully see Sanji vs Kaku, after all they're both feet specialists.
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with me i think that the way the stories gone so far, it'd be too predictable to make Zoro fight the second strongest guy in the arc that's the making of Sanji's bounty, i can actually fully see Sanji vs Kaku, after all they're both feet specialists.
Since when did Kaku become a feet specialist? The only one that can be considered as something close to feet specialist is Califa.
Which would make a strange fight, seeing as I don't think that Sanji could ever fight a woman like Califa… he would be way too distracted. But she would be the closest thing to another fighter who relies on kicks.
Kaku would be more of a match for Zoro, not only because of the "second most powerful" (because Jyabura is speculated to be even stronger than Kaku due to his DF ability), but due to the fact that is also uses bladed weapons to fight. I don't see how he could be labled as a "foot specialist".
true, i wouldn't put him on a peer with neither sanji or calipha in the feet department and his fortay is obviously close range and projectile weapons i.e. his chisles but most of his physical attacks i've observed or the ones that stuck in my mind i should say have been knee's and kick's.
also to support my theory while Jyabura did indeed say he was he second strongest, i get a strong feeling it's all talk and while theirs no way of actually proving it, sanji defeating kaku on paper gives him the victory over the second strongest cp9 member, which in turn works towards his bounty, theirs just so much more to play with there. we know that at the end of this arc more or less everyone will get bounty/bounty increases (bar nami and usopp) and in order to make Sanji vs Zoro in the bounty stakes, Sanji needs to be seen in the government eyes to have done so much more. i suspect that by the end of this Luffy's bounty will have trippled, Sanji and Zoro will be on around 150m, Robin will have the same as Franky of around 100m and Chopper will be on something like 20m, i can see Calipha 'forgetting' or 'not seeing' who defeated her and retiring back to Water 7.
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i to me its pretty much been established that Jabura is the second strongest since they are on par at their normal level and Jabs can increase his strength many times,
but ah well i suppose some people dont wanna belive it til its been confirmed.
Kaku has done nothing more then everyone else to be consider feet specialist. Rankyaku is one of the six forms that each CP9 member besides Spandam can use. So it´s nothing exclusive to him.
And as far as him taking down Zoro and Sanji with kicks is concerned, that´s nothing that Lucci hasn´t done himself when he kicked Luffy before he nailed him or when he kicked Zoro out of the building.
Where did you people get the idea that Califa is more of a kicker than several of the other CP9 members who have been seen to kick?
Where did you people get the idea that Califa is more of a kicker than several of the other CP9 members who have been seen to kick?
Probaley because we've seen the other CP9 members use ther hands in some way, while she used a whip. But you're right she is no more a kicker than the others. 
@Octogon:
Probaley because we've seen the other CP9 members use ther hands in some way, while she used a whip. But you're right she is no more a kicker than the others.
Nope the whips have nothing to do with it. It´s that she has been introduced as a hot secretary with kicking attributes (but no Rankyaku), while the shipwrights Lucci and Kaku aswell as the bartender Blueno didn´t shine with any kicks until we´ve learned of Rankyaku.
Other than that we haven´t seen Califa Shigan anyone or use Tekkai. She obviously can use those moves because she is a six form user aswell but she seems to prefer the foot moves like Gepou and Rankyaku.
Nope the whips have nothing to do with it. It´s that she has been introduced as a hot secretary with kicking attributes (but no Rankyaku), while the shipwrights Lucci and Kaku aswell as the bartender Blueno didn´t shine with any kicks until we´ve learned of Rankyaku.
Other than that we haven´t seen Califa Shigan anyone or use Tekkai. She obviously can use those moves because she is a six form user aswell but she seems to prefer the foot moves like Gepou and Rankyaku.
You know you were agreeing with me right? We really don't know enoughf about her to conclude this but it seems reasonable. But it seems she prefers her whip over her feet so she probaley won't be fighting sanji anyways.
Nope the whips have nothing to do with it. It´s that she has been introduced as a hot secretary with kicking attributes (but no Rankyaku), while the shipwrights Lucci and Kaku aswell as the bartender Blueno didn´t shine with any kicks until we´ve learned of Rankyaku.
Other than that we haven´t seen Califa Shigan anyone or use Tekkai. She obviously can use those moves because she is a six form user aswell but she seems to prefer the foot moves like Gepou and Rankyaku.
Yes, but she prefers to use her whips even more. When she's wreaking havoc among the Galley-La workers, she used her whips very effectively. I'm pretty sure she can use Tekkai, but maybe not as well as Lucci or Blueno.
Kaku, on the other hand, uses chisels for projectiles as a shipwright. This is one of the reasons I think Kaku will fight SogeKing. His jumping skills probably make him an outstanding Soru and Geppou user, which is a new challenge for SogeKing.
Lucci's insanely strong fingers show that he's a very able Shigan user. This skill is also the one he used the most; twice against Luffy, once against Paulie and once against Nero.
Since Blueno doesn't show fighting skills when introduced as bartender, I can't make assesments. His Tekkai seems pretty solid, though.
Kaku, on the other hand, uses chisels for projectiles as a shipwright. This is one of the reasons I think Kaku will fight SogeKing. His jumping skills probably make him an outstanding Soru and Geppou user, which is a new challenge for SogeKing.
Lucci's insanely strong fingers show that he's a very able Shigan user. This skill is also the one he used the most; twice against Luffy, once against Paulie and once against Nero.
Since Blueno doesn't show fighting skills when introduced as bartender, I can't make assesments. His Tekkai seems pretty solid, though.
**I also think that SogeKing will fight Kaku. Besides the fact that they're long noses, Kaku's agility will be quite a challenge fo ussop's shooting skillz.
Licci's shigan makes him quite dangeroues for luffy. At first it seems that luffy has an advantage against this but Lucci can easily overcome this with his calws.
Blueno seems pretty strong. It is more than likley that if Robin will fight she will fight Blueno. Since defeating Blueno would be like breaking the chains holding her. If she doesn't fight then my guess ids chopper will fight him.
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i to me its pretty much been established that Jabura is the second strongest since they are on par at their normal level and Jabs can increase his strength many times,
but ah well i suppose some people dont wanna belive it til its been confirmed.
This is what gets me. Since when did it "increase his strength many times?" Increase it, sure, but you make it sound like it's the be-all end-all of power ups. From what I could gleam of the dialogue, it sounds more like it puts him on a more even term with Kaku; in other words, an increase that makes it less predictable who is stronger between him and Kaku.
If you can think of any arguments otherwise, I'd like to hear them, because I sure don't think it's been established that Jabura is actually the second strongest.
This is what gets me. Since when did it "increase his strength many times?" Increase it, sure, but you make it sound like it's the be-all end-all of power ups. From what I could gleam of the dialogue, it sounds more like it puts him on a more even term with Kaku; in other words, an increase that makes it less predictable who is stronger between him and Kaku.
If you can think of any arguments otherwise, I'd like to hear them, because I sure don't think it's been established that Jabura is actually the second strongest.
I think there are like the Luffy, sanji and zoro of CP9. His power will probley be close to kaka's
This is what gets me. Since when did it "increase his strength many times?" Increase it, sure, but you make it sound like it's the be-all end-all of power ups. From what I could gleam of the dialogue, it sounds more like it puts him on a more even term with Kaku; in other words, an increase that makes it less predictable who is stronger between him and Kaku.
If you can think of any arguments otherwise, I'd like to hear them, because I sure don't think it's been established that Jabura is actually the second strongest.
Seeing that Lucci's power as a Leopard far surpasses his human form, it is logical to think that Jyabura's animal form increases his fighting capability (not only strength) to a significant degree. A meager 20 point difference is easily surpassed.
Since te-awase is a rough estimate that measures only physical movement/athletics, it all comes down to skills. To think that Jyabura's animal form increases his skills (speed and power), he is logically more formidable than Kaku. Not to mention that he can take more damage.
Seeing that Lucci's power as a Leopard far surpasses his human form, it is logical to think that Jyabura's animal form increases his fighting capability (not only strength) to a significant degree. A meager 20 point difference is easily surpassed.
Since te-awase is a rough estimate that measures only physical movement/athletics, it all comes down to skills. To think that Jyabura's animal form increases his skills (speed and power), he is logically more formidable than Kaku. Not to mention that he can take more damage.
Right. Also remember that each body can be trained seperatley.
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You know you were agreeing with me right? We really don't know enoughf about her to conclude this but it seems reasonable. But it seems she prefers her whip over her feet so she probaley won't be fighting sanji anyways.
Nope we´re not agreeing. I´m saying that she prefers her whip over physical attacks with her bare hands since I´ve never seen her use Tekkai while you say that she prefers her whip over here kicks which I don´t think is the case. We´ve already seen her having special kicks without using any of the six forms back when we first met her, while Lucci´s and Kaku´s non Rokushiki kicks were nothing special but just strong kicks. Califa however had really fast storm legs back then.
Seeing that Lucci's power as a Leopard far surpasses his human form, it is logical to think that Jyabura's animal form increases his fighting capability (not only strength) to a significant degree. A meager 20 point difference is easily surpassed.
Since te-awase is a rough estimate that measures only physical movement/athletics, it all comes down to skills. To think that Jyabura's animal form increases his skills (speed and power), he is logically more formidable than Kaku. Not to mention that he can take more damage.
And Kaku has weapons that are not calculated, which, in the end, still leads to no viable "Jabura is eighty billion times stronger than Kaku" or whatever. I think it's meant to be clear (or, rather, unclear) that there is debatability as to whether Kaku or Jabura is stronger, but no denfinite answer. In other words, Oda doesn't want you to know which is stronger.
Nope we´re not agreeing. I´m saying that she prefers her whip over physical attacks with her bare hands since I´ve never seen her use Tekkai while you say that she prefers her whip over here kicks which I don´t think is the case. We´ve already seen her having special kicks without using any of the six forms back when we first met her, while Lucci´s and Kaku´s non Rokushiki kicks were nothing special but just strong kicks. Califa however had really fast storm legs back then.
Storm comical legs? It didn't even hit the targets (except Usopp). It's different then Kaku's jumping skills and projectile attacks, or Lucci's strong fingers, which are polished and deadly enough.
And Kaku has weapons that are not calculated, which, in the end, still leads to no viable "Jabura is eighty billion times stronger than Kaku" or whatever. I think it's meant to be clear (or, rather, unclear) that there is debatability as to whether Kaku or Jabura is stronger, but no denfinite answer. In other words, Oda doesn't want you to know which is stronger.
i dont understand how can you say that when its been stated in the manga that a Zoan increases your strentgh and physical capabilites and simply makes you more deadly in close combat and since as i keep saying they were equals before the transformation and after i dont even put them in the same league(atleast if Luchis transformation is anything to go by).
he is stronger physicly deal with it but if you choose to belive that Kakus speculated weapons are gonna over come the diffrence between them then thats up to you but to me it is settled.
EDIT and just wanted to say that i think the diffrence when hes transformed will be about a thousand or at the very least 500 doukuri.
Actually, guys, I have to say, all the Zoan users we've seen so have have basically not been all that great with the exception of Chopper but that's only because of the Rumble Balls.
Chopper comments that a Predator Zoan is much more violent. Besides, these are Zoans who practiced Rokushiki.
i was just looking for that Pic thanks Changsho.
and i just get the distinct feeling the increases is gonna be in about a thousand doukuri.
or atleast five houndred swiftly putting him outta Kakus reach just as he said
-I can still beat you cause my Zoan form.
now you can all go around arguing well maybe he was just bragging or lying but looking at the facts we have its pretty much confirmed.
2180+Zoan transformation=much stronger fighter(my guess 3180)
2200+nothing=2200
Yeah plus when he transformed to his DF animal, Lucci transformed to match him. If Lucci's strong enough at 4000 to beat him, he probably wouldn't transform, but he did, so I think that the power of Zoan Rokushiki multiplies your douriki by ALOT.
I pray gods :adore: that this won't lead to endless labyrinth of "Luffy's douriki must be over 4000"…
i was just looking for that Pic thanks Changsho.
and i just get the distinct feeling the increases is gonna be in about a thousand doukuri.
or atleast five houndred swiftly putting him outta Kakus reach just as he said
-I can still beat you cause my Zoan form.
now you can all go around arguing well maybe he was just bragging or lying but looking at the facts we have its pretty much confirmed.2180+Zoan transformation=much stronger fighter(my guess 3180)
2200+nothing=2200
luffy normal = superhuman strength
luffy angry = super super human strength
ultimately jaruba's strength is less than kaku's and if kaku's a better fighter or powers up like luffy, he'll remain man, jaruba only seems to be equal to lucci in his own head.
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What if Jabura "powers up" too, like you say? Wouldn't his strength increase too huh. Make more sense in the arguments please.
lultimately jaruba's strength is less than kaku's and if kaku's a better fighter or powers up like luffy, he'll remain man, jaruba only seems to be equal to lucci in his own head.
….what are you talking about increasing his power like luffy ?
hes never done that and that doesnt really have anything to do with it since were discussing CP9 and in there its Jabura who can by the means of a Zoan fruit power up,
Kaku cant do that hes just a normal Six form user,
but okay lets go thru it just one more time were talking about jabs and Kaku who both have mesurabel powers that we can measure in doukuri and their doukuri is rougly equal in normal form but now comes the diffrence Jabs doukuri increases if he goes into a Zoan making him stronger thus the 2180+Zoan=a big fricking increase in doukuri(lets take my guess of 3000 doukuri or maybe even 4000 since Luchi felt it neccesary to show him whos best.
and then we have Kakus who as far as we know it doesnt have a Zoan or much less a DF at all thus we can assume that his Doukuri is stuck at his normal 2200.
and as stated before when jabs went into Zoan he was clerly closer to Luchi than Kaku hence Luchi transforming to show him whos still boss.
EDIT and yes we know that jabs and Luchi arent equals that has been shown as clearly as that Jabs is stronger than Kaku atleast to me.
does this whole disscusion about who is stronger even matter really? CP9 are still gonna get their arse kicked by the SH and as for fights are concerned, just look at the color spread. Oda drops hints in those. check out the arlong park one and the don kreig spread. both show who fights who by who is directly below them. Kaku will fight zoro because this is a new fighting style for zoro. a cutting technique with no sword. check out the fight scene in chapter 348. noy only does kaku have a cutting technique, he uses a sword to block zoro.
actaly it does cause Zoro tends to get the strongest which seems to be Jabs,
and what technique do you talk about ?
as far as i know it Kaku only uses the six forms that they all can do,
oh and of course his much feared chisels XD
EDIT ive re read that chapter and no he doesnt use any special cutting technique he does the shigan and the Rankyaku which they all can do including Jabura so that doesnt mean he will fight Zoro,
and they arent swords they are chisels and they were broken in a sec by zoro.
Very simple-
All Mugiwara vs. Kokoro
…what? Someone has to kick her ass. She's evil. When done, they can post the video on Muchosucko or Ebaum's World or somewhere you can see old white women getting smacked about by young guys.
ONE PIECE…. It tames the savage geek.
How shallow, thinking the woman's evil just because she has green hair, talks to frogs and drinks like a fish.
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FINALLY!! I don't know who i forgot to check but someone is supporting a chopper vs blueno!! YEA!! YOU ROCK!!!
Ok since the latest chapter release here's my thoughts
Luffy will pwn Blueno, but before he does, the other CP9 will come but then the other straw hats will come too then it'll get messy
But from what i've read I think Oda is doing something similiar with Kaku and Jyabura with what he does with Sanji and Zoro
Sanji and Zoro are the main fighters and are rivals (even though Zoro is totally stronger). I think Jyabura and Kaku are a reflection of that but their difference in strength aren't as obvious regardless of Jyabura's Devil Fruit. It would make sense if Jyabura was the second strongest and if Sanji did fight him
Then the government would think Sanji is as formidable as Zoro is if not more thus putting their bounties on the same level with maybe Sanji's higher.
Even though everyone is saying Kaku vs Sogeking, it's just not gonna happen.
well let me rephrase that. Sogeking BEATING Kaku, that will not happen as all. Their fight is likely to happen but it'll be a short fight and zoro will definately take over.
lastly
CHOPPER VS BLUENO!!!
if Blueno gets schooled by Luffy it's chopper vs Kumadori
Robin and Franky can double team the now Zoan type Spandam xD
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Even though everyone is saying Kaku vs Sogeking, it's just not gonna happen.
well let me rephrase that. Sogeking BEATING Kaku, that will not happen as all.
Oh, nice argument. Let's see, "not gonna happen…will not happen at all." Mmm, nah, don't really see any type of argument in there, nor anything that would stimulate brain cells.
cricks neck I'd rather SogeKing not face Kaku at all, if he's gonna lose. Especially if afterwards Zoro takes over and winning. Put yourself in that kind of position and feel the shame.
I still think there's a good thing we can see a Sogeking vs Kaku fight.
I know that Usopp got his ass beaten up twice by this guy, but we still haven't seen Usopp maximum capacities which are in long range attacks.
As he's one of the fastest guy of the crew, I think he can maintain a good distance between him and his opponent (well ok, it can apply for another guy of the cp9), and if the 6 styles are very efficient in close combat, I don't think it's this powerful in long range mode.
And I think that Usopp didn't show us his most powerful (stupidest?) weapon of the Usopp factory, and now that he knows a little more about the way of fighting of his opponents, he can find a way (stupid of course) to face them.
I think that all the 'who is the most powerful guy in cp9' isn't this important, because we're only talking about power and not about the way of fighting.
I don't know if you had read Berserk, but the first time Guts (the hero) meets the leader of the band of the hawks (can't remeber his name, sorry), he seems a lot tougher yet he can't manage to hit him with his sword at all, because the other guy his better at the sword than him.
That's why I think we don't need to put too much importance at the power level of the CP9 guy, as in the end it's the way of fighting that is the most important.
nor anything that would stimulate brain cells.
stimulated your brain cells to write that reply eh? XD
Even with a huge grudge and hiding behind a mask, I don't think Usopp has the ability to pull a win over Kaku. If he did we would see some build up in his fights with other villians, his toughest opponent was Luffy, but Usopp only put up a good fight because he could predict and manipulate Luffy's movements
Even though Usopp sort of saw Kaku in action like what? Twice? I don't think he'd have enough knowledge of Kaku's fighting ability to sway the victory in his favour. So what if he has a grudge, without the strength to lay the smack down on Kaku I doubt Usopp can win. In my mind Zoro taking revenge for Usopp and everyone else for the Going Merry seems more appealing
If Usopp does beat Kaku, he better start getting more serious opponents, or else it would seem like a waste
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Ussop vs. Kaku is sort of a given at this point due to the Merry sub-plot. I'm not saying Ussop CAN'T beat the third strongest CP9 member, only that it'd be tough for him not be beaten first
But I'm willing to let Oda suprise me with something clever.
Even with a huge grudge and hiding behind a mask, I don't think Usopp has the ability to pull a win over Kaku. If he did we would see some build up in his fights with other villians, his toughest opponent was Luffy, but Usopp only put up a good fight because he could predict and manipulate Luffy's movements
But Usopp himself is totally unpredictable. One of his greatest weapons is his creativity (credit to Oda) and his diverse way of fighting.
Lemme pull out this strip I made:
In my mind Zoro taking revenge for Usopp and everyone else for the Going Merry seems more appealing
God no. It gives the image of Usopp the loser. Up to this point, he's getting beaten up in all his fights; vs Luffy, vs Franky, vs Kaku, vs Blueno. >.<
If Usopp does beat Kaku, he better start getting more serious opponents, or else it would seem like a waste
Oh hell yeah. Look at Van Auger, sniper of the Blackbeards. If he's supposedly going to fight that guy, then I can totally see him beating Kaku.
Your strip is totally badass, I just thought you should know. Also, I 100% agree with you that Usopp can beat Kaku.
It might be difficult as hell for him, but you'll notice that Oda seems to consistently show his characters getting stronger by their overcoming difficult fights (Zoro learning to cut steel, for instance).
As it stands, the power levels of the Straw Hats is noticably skewed. As strong as Usopp is, and I agree he's strong, he's still not going to take down a villain at the level of Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji. If he's going to do it eventually, he needs to build his way up there; going straight after Kaku, who is arguably the second strongest of the CP9, is a bit of a stretch. It's possible, but still a bit of a stretch.
