That's what I always think when people say that as well :ninja: .
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Have you listened to Opeth? They go between deep growling and normal singing, and the lead singer actually has a really good voice.
Nope, but listening to a few songs, he does have a nice voice. I don't like his roaring, though.
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Opeth has two albums that have nothing but clean vocals if you want to check them out. Damnation and Heritage are the ones. I originally didn't like the harsh vocals either but eventually learned to like them. You seem to have no interest in doing that though.
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Lol I know you were exaggerating. That doesn't make it any less a terrible thing to say (Maybe marginally).
+Points for the amount of effort and thought into the reply, but like GuetaMinute stated above :/
Also screaming isn't comparable to your example with children's tantrums. It just isn't. It's a tool to be used well, just as much as whispering or talking or people altering their voices to hit notes anywhere from soprano to bass, or to a lesser extent even things like whistling or scat singing. It's a visceral means of conveying emotion (sadness, anger, even elation) and it resonates with a lot of people. It's more like your mushroom analogy i.e, not for you. Heck even the lack of control in voice can just as easily convey emotion. For example in these two the lack of control is exactly what helps give them their "emotional edge".
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But anyway have you listened to Muse or System of a Down? It seems like you'd probably like them.
And as for We Better Learn to Hotwire a Uterus, maybe it's the vocals that just threw you off? Because the complex rhythms and constant change is the fun of it. Here's two instrumental math songs.
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I voted on this while ago, but can't remember what I chose. That list is pretty lop-sided and lacking in variety of genres though, it kinda just sticks to the basics..But anyways..
Music I can't stand: Metal / Rap / Country / Pop / Dub-step / Trance
Yes, they're very stereotypical choices..I just can't stand them..And for the most part, I've listened to all of those genres (except country and dub-step) when I was young..ger..I grew out of them pretty fast and developed a great hatred for them..
More in depth (not really):
[hide]Metal/Rap: Nothing to say, really, I've listened to them both when I was younger..But, they got old and boring realllly fast, then I grew a a great hatred for them.Pop: We may not have the same view on pop, but "pop" music, I tend to accociate it with shitty boy bands, and bascially anything you'd find on a music station for the past …I don't know how many years..Don't get me wrong though, I do enjoy some poppy music, just not that..
Dub-step/Trance: ...Nothing to say, can't stand it.
Country: Ehkk...Same as pop really..
There are a few on there like funk and soul, that I don't listen to, it may be from lack of exposure, or just not caring for what I've heard, not sure..
It's probably safe to say I have a very shallow/narrow taste in music really..[/hide]"Screamo" should also be added to that list, but I really only hate the genre/bands who constantly scream with only a few breaks of audible vocals..I don't mind if there's occasionally a scream/yell or two mixed in with a good melody..
I agree with what Cruithne said here:
@Cruithne:Screaming: No tune, just screaming into the microphone with lyrics. It’s “thin and scraggly”, and feels like it lacks something underneath. It shreds my eardrums. Ow.
Songs you posted with screaming: All of them
Yelling/Normal singing: What someone thinks normally thinks of when they hear the word “singing”. Normal singing is just that: Normal.
Yelling is just that normal voice raised with some added strain. Even with that added strain, the singer manages to keep their tune.
Vocal strain is _deeeee_licious. Mmmm.
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Pop is a whole shitload more than just shitty boy bands
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@nodensuke:
I voted on this while ago, but can't remember what I chose. That list is pretty lop-sided and lacking in variety of genres though, it kinda just sticks to the basics..But anyways..
Why is this list lopsided? The only thing that maybe needs a change is adding reggae. Otherwise almost every genre is in this list (you can only have so many choices in a poll). The things you mentioned are all parts of the genres in the poll. And tbh I don't understand your reasoning with a few of these, I mean, you don't like pop because there were famous bands that were shitty?
It's probably safe to say I have a very shallow/narrow taste in music really..
Well, yes, but I don't understand why.
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Lately, I mostly listen to anime, video game, and vocaloid music because it’s easy to find and I'm lazy.
Hey where does godfucking awful little girl robot vocals and inane j-pop nonsense fit on your goofy cartoon scale of singing.
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@nodensuke:
Yes, I'm aware of that.
So you're aware your post makes no sense and have decided to leave it at that. Great posting.
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Seeing as I contributed to the ever-growing country bar on the poll, I'd just like to say that John Denver kicks ass.
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I kind of expected Metal and Hip-Hop to have the votes they did (scary black music and scary black people), but Country getting that much hate? Sheesh.
I mean I fucking hate the hell of modern pop Country with rednecks singing about trucks and bullshit, but like are people that ignorant about the rest of it existing? -
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Hey where does godfucking awful little girl robot vocals and inane j-pop nonsense fit on your goofy cartoon scale of singing.
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So you're aware your post makes no sense and have decided to leave it at that. Great posting.
Yep, Sure. Thanks .
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@nodensuke:
Yep, Sure. Thanks .
"A man who rejects pop, is a man afraid of his reflection."
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It’s fascinating how people twist words and don’t understand an exaggeration when it’s part of an opinion they don’t like.
The following explanation has been spoilered for being tl;dr:
! http://i50.tinypic.com/4uia2r.png
! ^Here’s a handy dandy picture of how I categorize singing.
! Screaming: No tune, just screaming into the microphone with lyrics. It’s “thin and scraggly”, and feels like it lacks something underneath. It shreds my eardrums. Ow.
! Songs you posted with screaming: All of them
! Yelling/Normal singing: What someone thinks normally thinks of when they hear the word “singing”. Normal singing is just that: Normal.
! Yelling is just that normal voice raised with some added strain. Even with that added strain, the singer manages to keep their tune.
! Vocal strain is _deeeee_licious. Mmmm.
! Here's a couple songs I like with yelling in them:
! Lost Story:
! Sleeping Beauty:
! “But Cru, that song on top has screaming in it!”
! Yeah I know. I’ll get to that later.
! Songs you posted with Normal Singing: F, This War is Ours
! Resonant/Rumbly Singing: Usually in the lower rages of singing, it’s [obviously] when the singing has resonance or rumbling, rumbling being when the voice has a bit of a "growl" to it at times.
! The difference between yelling and resonance is that resonance sounds more “natural” in a way, like there’s not as much strain, but there’s still that _deeeee_licious strength behind it.
! Here’s a song with a resonant voice:
! Here’s a song with a rumbly voice:
! I loooove strong voices. They’re my favorites.
! Songs you posted with resonant/rumbly singing: None. :[[/FONT]
! Roaring: The lower counterpart of screaming. Still no tune. I tend to separate them as screaming as head voice and roaring as chest voice. Roaring also isn’t missing whatever screaming is.
! I don’t hate roaring as much as screaming, but it’s like comparing the bark of a Yorkie and a Great Dane. One is more annoying than the other, but that doesn’t mean I like either.
! Here is a song I like with roaring, though, if only for the lulz it brings:
! Here is a song I don't like with roaring. It is boring:
! Songs you posted with roaring: F, This War is Ours
! So now that we have that out of the way, even if screaming didn’t bust my eardrums, I still wouldn’t like it. Here’s why:
! It’s. Boring.
! Imagine you’re playing the piano and it’s used as the main melody in a song you’re playing with your buddies. They’ve got the back up all covered and it’s your job to impress the crowd with your mad piano playing skillz.
! The intro starts. You’re pumped up. The excitement reaches critical mass as it’s finally time for you to jump in.
! You press the C key.
! No, you don’t just press the C key. You smash that bitch so hard that everyone knows how serious you are.
! You hit it again and again, getting into the fast-paced rhythm. You occasionally deviate to the B key or the D key when it strikes your fancy, but not for too long – you gotta keep up the speed and feeling from the C key.
! One of your band mates is doing something similar. He’s playing the G key on his keytar, and doing it just like you are.
! Golly, it sure is great you only need to play one note.
! Think about it: You have an instrument that is capable of producing a wide range of notes, and yet you chose to smash the same note over and over and over again. Sure, you can only play said note that certain way by sticking only to it and rarely deviating, but is it really worth it to completely ignore the rest if its entire range?
! To me? No.
! Then there’s another thing: Control.
! What is the aim of screaming most of the lyrics in a song? What’s it trying to convey? Anger? Sorrow? Energy? Rage?
! Whatever it is, it doesn’t do it very well.
! One thing we all learned as children was that screaming and throwing a tantrum was one of the worst ways to get people to take you seriously when you were angry.
! The same goes with music. You wouldn’t cry like a baby and be a blubbering mess nursing a tub of Ben&Jerry’s while you’re trying to make a sad song, so why would you scream your lungs out all the way through when you’re trying to make one that’s angry?
! It’s nice when the singing of a song has an emotional edge. It’s not nice when someone piles all their angry feels and spits them out in one go.
! Look at Sleeping Beauty up there and remember the chorus. Akiakane almost goes up to screamy range, but she doesn’t, and instead keeps the tune. You can hear how sad it’s supposed to be, and you can tell the song is supposed to be sad and emotional without her being a big baby about it.
! Lastly, I'll explain what I said I would earlier.
! I hate screaming like I hate mushrooms: I despise them normally (it’s like eating a slug, blech), but I can appreciate them when my mom puts them into beef stew to make it taste better.
! Screams CAN do something for a song, I won’t deny that. When used SPARINGLY (key word here), I can glaze over and ignore it and like the rest of the song. However, most of the time people use it completely in place of singing, and that's terrible.
! Here’s a song that has screaming, but I like anyway:
! Look at that! There’s screaming, but not too much of it! And there’s an actual melody I can look forward to. Hooray!
! Tilde: “Oh hey, this intro is nice.” “Oooooo, these guitars are even NICER.” “…Aaaaand now he’s screaming.” “God dammit.”
! We Better Learn to Hotwire a Uterus: It's terrible. Ow Screaming. The instrumentals are too erratic, and they don’t come together very well.
! Misery: I gotta give him props for trying to make a melody while screaming, but owwwww. Average instrumentals. I’d find it okay (though still a bit boring) if he were singing instead of screaming.
! F: I like the parts where they’re singing. I don’t like the parts where they’re not singing. It has a nice refrain, but it's not enough to make me like it.
! This War Is Ours: I like this one best. The parts with singing and most of the instrumentals are pretty good. If the screaming+roaring stanzas were replaced by singing, and the screaming and roaring were used ONLY as backing, I’d actually quite enjoy it as a whole.
! Lately, I mostly listen to anime, video game, and vocaloid music because it’s easy to find and I'm lazy.
! Also Steam Powered Giraffe, because they’re awesome.
! In general, I like songs I can derive energy from. Also ones with emotions and feelings.
! And awesome harmonies. Those are cool too.
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@Monkey:
"A man who rejects pop, is a man afraid of his reflection."
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@nodensuke:
A round of applause for you, good sir.
It's just brilliant. Well done.:happy:your life begins today, the new you is a reality and you can make it hapepend
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Vocaloid songs have emotions and feelings? But I thought they were robot little girls or something. SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
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The Vocaloids were only half the problem, he posted a STEAMPUNK JOKE BAND.
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Vocaloid - the name stirs some suppressed memories about one of the worst fad genres in recent history: Nightcore. If happy hardcore wasn't already almost as universally bad as it is, nightcore is the j-pop version of that.
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I kind of expected Metal and Hip-Hop to have the votes they did (scary black music and scary black people), but Country getting that much hate? Sheesh.
I mean I fucking hate the hell of modern pop Country with rednecks singing about trucks and bullshit, but like are people that ignorant about the rest of it existing? -
Spoilered again for Tl;dr: :V
! @Unrequited:
! > Lol I know you were exaggerating. That doesn't make it any less a terrible thing to say (Maybe marginally).
! This is what I said:
! > Whoever thought it would be a good idea deserves a good whack upside the head.
! This is what you took it as:
! > but you said that everyone who likes it or does it should deserve a good beating?
! This is what I meant (which by the context, you should have got):
! > The person (people?) who conceptualized screamo and made it a thing is an idiot.
! Yes. What a horrible thing for me to say. :U
! @Unrequited:
! > Also screaming isn't comparable to your example with children's tantrums. It just isn't.
! You keep telling yourself that.
! @Unrequited:
! > It's a tool to be used well, just as much as whispering or talking or people altering their voices to hit notes anywhere from soprano to bass, or to a lesser extent even things like whistling or scat singing. It's a visceral means of conveying emotion (sadness, anger, even elation) and it resonates with a lot of people. It's more like your mushroom analogy i.e, not for you.
! I like how you completely missed how I said that, even though that was the point of said mushroom analogy.
! I can appreciate as a tool when people use it juuuust right. The problem is that it's used in place of actual lyrics and sounds terrible.
! If other people like it, fine; but that's not going to stop me from thinking it just sounds bad.
! @Unrequited:
! > Heck even the lack of control in voice can just as easily convey emotion. For example in these two the lack of control is exactly what helps give them their "emotional edge".!
! But they're all boring.
! The only one that stands out is Such Small Hands, and that's because the guy sounds like a whiny baby. While his voice isn't ear shredding, it's extremely awkward to listen to.
! I'm not going to like a song just because a person has an emotional edge. Just talking is boring. I need a good melody to go with it.
! @Unrequited:
! > But anyway have you listened to Muse or System of a Down? It seems like you'd probably like them.
! They're on the radio sometimes, but I don't care for them and they're nothing I'd go out of my way to listen to.
! @Unrequited:
! > And as for We Better Learn to Hotwire a Uterus, maybe it's the vocals that just threw you off? Because the complex rhythms and constant change is the fun of it. Here's two instrumental math songs.!
! You think they're complex and fun, I think they're boring and dumb.
! @Monkey:
! > Hey where does godfucking awful little girl robot vocals and inane j-pop nonsense fit on your goofy cartoon scale of singing.
! Vocaloid vocals are almost always normal singing, so I'd put them there. It's the same case with most J-pop singers I've heard.
! Vocaloids are instruments (most of which aren't high-pitched kawaii little girl voices; it's just that Miku's the most popular). While there are some voices I will never like (with the exception of a GLORIOUS song or two), it's up to the producer of the song to determine how the voice will sound.
! If I don't like how the Vocaloid's used (and hoooooo boy, some of the uses I've heard), I can always listen to a cover by a Niconico Singer or Niconico Chorus.
! The best thing about Vocaloids is that even though they're just voices, they're a common point for many music producers who would otherwise fall into obscurity. I can find almost any genre of music for it if I look hard enough.
! When it comes to J-pop, I can't understand what the lyrics say (so I can ignore the repetitive "~CONFESSING OUR DOKIDOKI FEELINGS AND NEVER FORGETTING EACH OTHER~" tripe), so all I'm left with is the instruments and melody itself.
! If the song has a boring tune, then I'll just move onto something else. If it's good and I like it, I'll listen to it again.
! @Monkey:
! > This is the worst post.
! I'd say the fact that people feel I have to justify my negative opinion in a thread for negative opinions because they have a negative opinion about my negative opinion is worse.
! @GuetaMinute:
! > Vocaloid songs have emotions and feelings? But I thought they were robot little girls or something. SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.
! Vocaloids can express emotion if they're tuned right, but I wasn't trying to make that point at all.
! The only difference between Vocaloid music and regular music is that Vocaloid music uses Vocaloids in it. There's literally no other difference.
! @Monkey:
! > The Vocaloids were only half the problem, he posted a STEAMPUNK JOKE BAND.
! Because the song had a nice example of a resonant voice. How is that a bad thing? :V
! @Tyndel:
! > Vocaloid - the name stirs some suppressed memories about one of the worst fad genres in recent history: Nightcore. If happy hardcore wasn't already almost as universally bad as it is, nightcore is the j-pop version of that.
! Oh god, how could I forget nightcore.
! Nightcore is terrible and people who do it should feel terrible.
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Vocaloid vocals are almost always normal singing, so I'd put them there. It's the same case with most J-pop singers I've heard.
Vocaloid singing is processed auto-tone, except it's not even a processed singer it's a computer making singing sounds. That is not some vanilla standard shit right there, in spite of your comedic attempt to sneak your bad tastes in as the golden standard or whatever.
But here's the other thing. There is no "normal singing" category or whatever. Nobody goes around going "oh that's normal singing". Your little stupid manufactured singing chart is just some clown shit. I mean that "Resonant Singing", what in the hell were you even talking about with that. Don't just make up really utterly inexperienced categories in music, especially not when your background is "only music that I can play six degrees of separation with anime".
I mean really, have you heard of Tenor? Soprano? Baritone? Because your "Resonant" example was just a guy with a low voice singing.The best thing about Vocaloids is that even though they're just voices, they're a common point for many music producers who would otherwise fall into obscurity. I can find almost any genre of music for it if I look hard enough.
Nobody listens to Vocaloid music except anime people, there is no "many". This is not a movement or a scene even.
When it comes to J-pop, I can't understand what the lyrics say (so I can ignore the repetitive "~CONFESSING OUR DOKIDOKI FEELINGS AND NEVER FORGETTING EACH OTHER~" tripe), so all I'm left with is the instruments and melody itself.
Why the hell would someone "listen to j-pop".
If you listen to J-pop you're just listening to pop with Japanese people singing.
Hey call me crazy but something really shallow might just be involved in this following!Because the song had a nice example of a resonant voice. How is that a bad thing? :V
Aside from there being no such thing. This is why STEAMPUNK BAND is a bad thing.
Vocaloids can express emotion if they're tuned right, but I wasn't trying to make that point at all.
The only difference between Vocaloid music and regular music is that Vocaloid music uses Vocaloids in it. There's literally no other difference.
I'm honestly scared that you can't tell the difference in how the two sound. Well maybe that's not so surprising if you pretty much otherwise just listen to shrill overly processed J-Pop.
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I've always had a thing against electronic music. I don't know…
I've always preferred listening to acoustic instruments and i also quite enjoy listening to electric guitar, but electronic music just brings to my mind music that sounds digitized and unnatural.
But upon reflection, I think I might just be blindly biased, and wish to know more about this genre.
I don't know where to start.
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@Bond:
I've always had a thing against electronic music. I don't know…
I've always preferred listening to acoustic instruments and i also quite enjoy listening to electric guitar, but electronic music just brings to my mind music that sounds digitized and unnatural.And what's wrong with that? The world outside is often unnatural.
I don't know where you live but the natural ambiance in my town is two constantly active interstates.
Try to put yourself in that sort of mindset.But upon reflection, I think I might just be blindly biased, and wish to know more about this genre.
I don't know where to start.
What do you guys suggest a guy listen to when he can't remember why he hates electronic music?Ease into it is probably a good bet. There are rock acts who use both guitars and synths and shit like that. New Order is a good place to try I guess, their early stuff. Radiohead is another good example of this. Brian Eno's work both solo and with Roxy Music too. And hell…Prince!
Also I dunno, I've found that Gary Numan's solo debut has a sort of raw electronic sound to it.
Also how much do you like Funk and stuff like that?
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I don't even know what a vocaloid is. Is this something to do with those Japanese anime hologram things I saw a video of a little while ago? And what constitutes "anime music"? Depending on the anime anything could be used as "anime music". Listening solely to music in anime is like listening to only songs used in TV shows or something like that, it's focusing on an extremely small category of music. I respect your choice of music but you're squeezing yourself into this tiny space of music which deprives you of a lot of good music.
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As Monkey King said, easing you into electronic is the best way. To be honest, electronic music is such a broad genre that you will find something that you like. Once you found that, look into similar stuff until you've heard a good bit. What is your typical/favourite genre by the way?
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Cruithne, I'm impressed that you're making an effort to explain your aversion to certain types of music, but it just seems like you aren't even willing to make an effort to find music outside your comfort zone.
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Once again, more tl;dr. :V
! @Monkey:
, , and even . I just haven't felt the need to search for more of it because I'm content where I am right now.
! > Vocaloid singing is processed auto-tone, except it's not even a processed singer it's a computer making singing sounds. That is not some vanilla standard shit right there, in spite of your comedic attempt to sneak your bad tastes in as the golden standard or whatever.
! But all the voice samples in each voicebank were originally recorded from a real person. It was made because not everyone can sing, but some people still want to make songs with vocals without having to hire a real person.
! And when did I ever say I was some kind of gold standard? I came into this thread saying I hated screamo and dubstep (because, you know, they're genres I hate and that's the point of this thread). People then got on my case because apparently they were offended by that.
! People can like or not like what they want; I'm not go over and rag on them for it just because I disagree.
! @Monkey:
! > But here's the other thing. There is no "normal singing" category or whatever. Nobody goes around going "oh that's normal singing". Your little stupid manufactured singing chart is just some clown shit. I mean that "Resonant Singing", what in the hell were you even talking about with that. Don't just make up really utterly inexperienced categories in music, especially not when your background is "only music that I can play six degrees of separation with anime".
I mean really, have you heard of Tenor? Soprano? Baritone? Because your "Resonant" example was just a guy with a low voice singing.
! Except I clearly said that's how I categorize it. I never said anyone else did. I made them up to try and categorize voice types to try and help explain my point because apparently I'm not allowed to have an opinion without having to justify myself. :U
! I never said anime was the only thing I've ever listened to either. It and the others I mentioned are just been what I've been listening to lately because I'm too lazy and not in the mood to go look for anything new.
! I fancy myself some
! I know enough about tenor, soprano, and the rest to know that they are ranges, not voice types (at least, not the kind of types I was trying to classify by).
! @Monkey:
! > Nobody listens to Vocaloid music except anime people, there is no "many". This is not a movement or a scene even.
! That's only the case in the western fandom. It's actually pretty big in Japan, even with people who don't watch anime.
! If it wasn't big, then why on Earth would some real Japanese schools use this song as their graduation song?
! Heck, you only need to type in "Hatsune Miku" into the Youtube search bar and there're over 86,000 videos.
! If you type "初音ミク" and search Niconico Douga, that number jumps to over 166,000.
! Ignore all the MMD junk and that's still thousands of songs.
! And that's only one Vocaloid.
! @Monkey:
! > Why the hell would someone "listen to j-pop".
If you listen to J-pop you're just listening to pop with Japanese people singing.
Hey call me crazy but something really shallow might just be involved in this following!
! You're the one that called it J-pop. I said I listened to anime music. I just went along with the J-pop label because I don't care. :U
! @Monkey:
! > Aside from there being no such thing. This is why STEAMPUNK BAND is a bad thing.
! So it doesn't matter that the song actually sounds nice. Just because it's a steampunk band, it's music is automatically terrible.
! These guys started out as street performers, not some nerds making references to videogames to draw in views (heck, I don't think they've ever covered a videogame song; all their stuff is original). I don't think they're even completely catering to the "OMGSTEAMPUNK!!!111one" crowd.
! Hate the band's image all you want; I don't care. But why are you trying to make it an unargueable fact that they suck, rather than just your own opinion?
! @Monkey:
! > I'm honestly scared that you can't tell the difference in how the two sound. Well maybe that's not so surprising if you pretty much otherwise just listen to shrill overly processed J-Pop.
! I find it hilarious how you know next to nothing about Vocaloid music and refuse to believe it's anything but J-pop.
! The first Vocaloids weren't even Japanese.
! You can make a song of any genre, and use a Vocaloid for the main vocals. It's then a Vocaloid song. Simple as that.@Bond:
What do you guys suggest a guy listen to when he can't remember why he hates electronic music?
The most common reason I've seen is because people find it repetitive.
Here. Tell me what you think of this:
Do you need vocals? Something not repetitive? Hate synthesizers? Don't like erratic beats?
I don't even know what a vocaloid is. Is this something to do with those Japanese anime hologram things I saw a video of a little while ago? And what constitutes "anime music"? Depending on the anime anything could be used as "anime music". Listening solely to music in anime is like listening to only songs used in TV shows or something like that, it's focusing on an extremely small category of music. I respect your choice of music but you're squeezing yourself into this tiny space of music which deprives you of a lot of good music.
Vocaloid is a singing software that uses voice samples from a real person to sing.
Most of these voices have avatars of some sort, which is where the holograms and stuff come from (though that's just a fandom thing; most of the fandom is bananas about Miku and Crypton wants to cash in on it).
I just think of anime music as music in an anime (regardless of genre; I just listen to what I like). When I listen to anime music, I'm not thinking "golly, this is the absolute pinnacle of music". That would be stupid. It's just what I see around the most and I haven't been in the mood to go off and hunt for new stuff.
I'm not picky about genre. I'll listen to whatever's in my Youtube favorites list. If something in the suggestions on the right catches my interest, I'll click on it. If I like it, I'll favorite it. I've been fine with what I have now, though.
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I never said anime was the only thing I've ever listened to either. It and the others I mentioned are just been what I've been listening to lately because I'm too lazy and not in the mood to go look for anything new.
I fancy myself some
, , and even . I just haven't felt the need to search for more of it because I'm content where I am right now.I just think of anime music as music in an anime (regardless of genre; I just listen to what I like). When I listen to anime music, I'm not thinking "golly, this is the absolute pinnacle of music". That would be stupid. It's just what I see around the most and I haven't been in the mood to go off and hunt for new stuff.
I'm not picky about genre. I'll listen to whatever's in my Youtube favorites list. If something in the suggestions on the right catches my interest, I'll click on it. If I like it, I'll favorite it. I've been fine with what I have now, though.
These four quotes are the only issue I have. If you never look into music you think you don't like, you may never find that one band that changes your mind and broadens your perspective on music. Just listening to your comfort zone, no matter how many genres your comfort zone is in, is just letting your musical knowledge and depth stagnate.
That's the one thing I don't get. You have all these things you don't like, but you don't seem to make a concentrated effort in looking into much outside music at all.
I used to hate country for multiple reasons, but I decided to look into it one day, and I found great stuff in it. You should really start doing that with the genres you dislike too.
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If you're gonna post an example of your taste in jazz to try and prove that your taste in music isn't limited to a certain comfort zone of music related to anime in one way or another, posting a song played like 4 times in the new anime adaptation of Sakamichi no Apollon isn't exactly a good place to start.
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Jesus, so I did't quote you word for word? I still know you were exaggerating. It was terrible thing to say not because of your aversion to it, but because of the way you said it. Take a look at the first posts on this thread. They for the most part knew how to express their distaste intimately and inoffensively. You however turned a personal gripe into a straight up insult. You didn't even know what actual screamo was when you were aiming for it and even ended up hitting a much larger facet of music.
The whole reason for my screaming point is that even while being used throughout a song it still acts as a viable tool. But you've separated it into two parts for your convenience! Your children analogy and mushroom analogy is what doesn't mix. The child one is flat out wrong and outwardly spiteful. The mushroom one is self referential. Drop the first analogy and keep the second is what I'm saying. Maybe someone more eloquent than I like Wagomu can better explain to you why even a song mired in aggressive vocals isn't the tantrum you claim it to be.
Everything you say is so backwards. You laud up instruments and melodies in anime and j-pop when they're usually the most generic four chord snoozefests and yet can't even appreciate in the slightest some of the more technically proficient, pronounced instrumentals? They're boring why? The lack of vocals? You're given bands with distinctive vocals and they're boring too. What's more is that they're actually in English so you can understand what is literally being conveyed. Titus Andronicus sounds like the voice of a generation personified. La Dispute "whiny" voice is what makes it seem so heartfelt and sincere. The first comment on YT sums it up well. "To you the voice is terrible, but to most of us listeners his voice is a beautiful way to express feelings with so much emotion to the point where you can tell something is tearing him apart"
And Wipers? C'mon they're the Wipers.
But you know what? Disagreement and thinking they're boring? That's all fine. However this awful caustic passive aggressive shit you've got going on? Check your attitude at the door kid. With your strut I expected you to have some giant investment into a veritable genre. Be it hip hop, rock, classical, etc. You say you do, but it doesn't come across that way. Right now it looks like you hail from the reputable dominion of anime and videogames. But whatever I'll play the nice guy and give you a bit of advice. Drop the argument with Zephos. It never ends well.
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Not to get involved in the argument (if it even is an argument lol) any more than I already am but Unrequited does have a point about the generic four chord snoozefests. Not to mention repetitive dull basslines.
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If it wasn't big, then why on Earth would some real Japanese schools use this song as their graduation song?
Probably because it's a song about graduation.
Not that it really matters, anyway. The school I teach at has featured themes from Star Wars, Final Fantasy, MIB, and even a Dean Martin song at a number of ceremonies. I don't think it's indicitive of what genre of music the students/teachers walk around listening to on their iPods at all, just sort of a music-association thing they have with graduation, closing, and opening ceremonies.
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@Monkey:
And what's wrong with that? The world outside is often unnatural.
I don't know where you live but the natural ambiance in my town is two constantly active interstates.
Try to put yourself in that sort of mindset.Ease into it is probably a good bet. There are rock acts who use both guitars and synths and shit like that. New Order is a good place to try I guess, their early stuff. Radiohead is another good example of this. Brian Eno's work both solo and with Roxy Music too. And hell…Prince!
Also I dunno, I've found that Gary Numan's solo debut has a sort of raw electronic sound to it.
Also how much do you like Funk and stuff like that?
This is…
This isn't all that bad actually. I kinda like this. I think I'll go explore it a bit more...
Yeah, I just found Gary Numan's Cars which I have heard before but never quite knew what it was called. It's great stuff.
I guess when I was younger, I was put off by the odd sounds. I'm more appreciative of it now, especially since I've been expanding my tastes in everything lately so unnatural is not much of a bad thing.
Also, I like funk. It's fun and makes me feel up.
@Tyndel:As Monkey King said, easing you into electronic is the best way. To be honest, electronic music is such a broad genre that you will find something that you like. Once you found that, look into similar stuff until you've heard a good bit. What is your typical/favourite genre by the way?
It's hard to say what my favourite genre is since I listen to various genres depending on my mood.
If I had to list which genres are most prevalent in my choice of songs to listen to, I guess I'd say Hard Rock and Swing. Two fairly different genres that I enjoy.Also, after thinking about it a bit more, I might be confusing electronic with something else.
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Lol why does everyone confuse pop music with actual electronic music.
LMFAO and Party Rock Anthem is just pop music. Top 40 radio shit. I know a lot of people hate it and reasonably so, but I actually kind of like LMFAO. Anyway, the fact that its mostly computer and sampler generated music besides the vocals doesn't really make it electronic.
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Anyway, the fact that its mostly computer and sampler generated music besides the vocals doesn't really make it electronic.
Then I must ask, what makes something electronic?
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@Bond:
Then I must ask, what makes something electronic?
What I meant to say was, it's not always necessarily electronic music or in the electronic genre if its mostly computer and sampler music. A lot of mainstream modern pop has that but that doesn't make it electronic/electronica.
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I must say, respect to Cruithne for keeping it civil while all this shit and insults are being thrown at him. What's up with all the hostility, folks? People are allowed to have their opinions, and even if you think those opinions are completely stupid that doesn't mean you have to insult people for that.
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What I meant to say was, it's not always necessarily electronic music or in the electronic genre if its mostly computer and sampler music. A lot of mainstream modern pop has that but that doesn't make it electronic/electronica.
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I took a history of rock class a few quarters ago and never understood chords when the teacher talked about them. Can someone offer a brief explanation? I suppose I can go look up something too.
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I took a history of rock class a few quarters ago and never understood chords when the teacher talked about them. Can someone offer a brief explanation? I suppose I can go look up something too.
Well, I'm not sure what you want explained, but chords are, at it's most basic, a group of notes that fit together inside the key given.
For example, If you are in the key of D, and the chord you have has a A, C# and E, that's a major chord built around the fifth note in the D major scale, so that's a V (five) chord.
Of course, that's the simplest kind of chord. There are tons of different chords that have different purposes.
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But all the voice samples in each voicebank were originally recorded from a real person. It was made because not everyone can sing, but some people still want to make songs with vocals without having to hire a real person.
ahahaha, what? That's even stupider! Take some damn voice lessons.
And when did I ever say I was some kind of gold standard?
You shuffled it into your concept of "normal singing" when by any metric vocaloids would not be considered any kind of normal golden mean sort of thing.
Except I clearly said that's how I categorize it.
1. Your categorization is nonsensical.
2. Why the hell are you trying to apply some harebrained amateur categories on an established discipline?
3. Why are you using a personal metric in an argument with other people lol.I never said anime was the only thing I've ever listened to either. It and the others I mentioned are just been what I've been listening to lately because I'm too lazy and not in the mood to go look for anything new.
, , and even . I just haven't felt the need to search for more of it because I'm content where I am right now.
I fancy myself someYou've made some form of respect for three genres you don't really listen to, and settled into a purgatory of anime related music. Great.
I know enough about tenor, soprano, and the rest to know that they are ranges, not voice types (at least, not the kind of types I was trying to classify by).
A voice type is something like Belting, Resonant?? Again, what does that even mean.
That's only the case in the western fandom. It's actually pretty big in Japan, even with people who don't watch anime.
Are those people over 14 lol?
If it wasn't big, then why on Earth would some real Japanese schools use this song as their graduation song?
Because they're SCHOOLS.
Heck, you only need to type in "Hatsune Miku" into the Youtube search bar and there're over 86,000 videos.
If you type "初音ミク" and search Niconico Douga, that number jumps to over 166,000.
Ignore all the MMD junk and that's still thousands of songs.
And that's only one Vocaloid.
You know when I was a lad we did the Macarena. However I distinctly do not recall a bunch of very sad people trying to establish a Macarena following beyond dancing like idiots.
You're the one that called it J-pop. I said I listened to anime music. I just went along with the J-pop label because I don't care. :U
So then we widen my criticism of your shallow listening habits to include virtually any genre ever on an anime soundtrack and you look even worse. Congrats.
So it doesn't matter that the song actually sounds nice. Just because it's a steampunk band, it's music is automatically terrible.
I've never listened to Skrewdriver myself, but I don't frankly care if they sound "nice".
The fact that it's a Steampunk band is horribly unavoidable, tell me how I would listen to that….how I would even come across that in the pursuit of giving a shit about music of any kind, without caring chiefly about the nerdy thing involved in the first place.
I'm saying son, it sounds like you care less about the music than the nerdy subject matter, be it anime or CLOCK STEAM ZEPPELIN ROCK.These guys started out as street performers, not some nerds making references to videogames to draw in views (heck, I don't think they've ever covered a videogame song; all their stuff is original). I don't think they're even completely catering to the "OMGSTEAMPUNK!!!111one" crowd.
ahahahaha, it's identical in every which way. How can you cast aspersions on nerdy bands who sing about Megaman and try to get a bunch of guys dressed up as Steampunk shit out of the same thing. It does not work!
I find it hilarious how you know next to nothing about Vocaloid music and refuse to believe it's anything but J-pop.
The first Vocaloids weren't even Japanese.
You can make a song of any genre, and use a Vocaloid for the main vocals. It's then a Vocaloid song. Simple as that.
Are you honestly honestly trying to tell us this is not a nerd niche fad thing. Really?
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If you're gonna post an example of your taste in jazz to try and prove that your taste in music isn't limited to a certain comfort zone of music related to anime in one way or another, posting a song played like 4 times in the new anime adaptation of Sakamichi no Apollon isn't exactly a good place to start.
lollll I was wondering about that
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Cruithne, I'm impressed that you're making an effort to explain your aversion to certain types of music, but it just seems like you aren't even willing to make an effort to find music outside your comfort zone.
I've listened to every single song that's been thrown at me here.
I'll go look for stuff outside what I normally listen to if I feel like it (I wouldn't listen to classical music or gregorian chants if I didn't); I just haven't felt like it in awhile.
These four quotes are the only issue I have. If you never look into music you think you don't like, you may never find that one band that changes your mind and broadens your perspective on music. Just listening to your comfort zone, no matter how many genres your comfort zone is in, is just letting your musical knowledge and depth stagnate.
That's the one thing I don't get. You have all these things you don't like, but you don't seem to make a concentrated effort in looking into much outside music at all.
I used to hate country for multiple reasons, but I decided to look into it one day, and I found great stuff in it. You should really start doing that with the genres you dislike too.
I used to hate rap with a seething passion. I have a few rap songs I like now.
The problem I have with screamo is one of the core aspects: screaming most if not all the lyrics in a song. I'm not interested in shredding my ears on a quest to go find something that doesn't.
I have no problem with expanding my horizons, I just don't feel the constant need to do it.
If you're gonna post an example of your taste in jazz to try and prove that your taste in music isn't limited to a certain comfort zone of music related to anime in one way or another, posting a song played like 4 times in the new anime adaptation of Sakamichi no Apollon isn't exactly a good place to start.
@Steven:
Probably because it's a song about graduation.
Not that it really matters, anyway. The school I teach at has featured themes from Star Wars, Final Fantasy, MIB, and even a Dean Martin song at a number of ceremonies. I don't think it's indicitive of what genre of music the students/teachers walk around listening to on their iPods at all, just sort of a music-association thing they have with graduation, closing, and opening ceremonies.
Huh. Didn't know that.
Unrequited:
! @Unrequited:
four chord snoozefest J-pop? ? ? ?
! > Jesus, so I did't quote you word for word? I still know you were exaggerating. It was terrible thing to say not because of your aversion to it, but because of the way you said it. Take a look at the first posts on this thread. They for the most part knew how to express their distaste intimately and inoffensively. You however turned a personal gripe into a straight up insult. You didn't even know what actual screamo was when you were aiming for it and even ended up hitting a much larger facet of music.
! But it wasn't even aimed at anyone.
! I realize I had screamo wrong. I have no problem admitting that.
! However, I still hate it (none of the songs anyone has posted have changed my mind); I just have other genres to hate now too.
! @Unrequited:
! > The whole reason for my screaming point is that even while being used throughout a song it still acts as a viable tool.
! To you, yes. And that's okay.
! I find it more like dumping a whole bag of cinnamon in a bowl of cookie dough when at most you'd need only a teaspoon.
! @Unrequited:
! > But you've separated it into two parts for your convenience! Your children analogy and mushroom analogy is what doesn't mix. The child one is flat out wrong and outwardly spiteful. The mushroom one is self referential. Drop the first analogy and keep the second is what I'm saying. Maybe someone more eloquent than I like Wagomu can better explain to you why even a song mired in aggressive vocals isn't the tantrum you claim it to be.
! Small child: "I AM SCREAMING BECAUSE I AM ANGRY."
Screaming singer: "I AM SCREAMING TO SHOW I AM ANGRY."
! My point wasn't that people that scream throughout their songs are childish babies. It's that I can't take said song as seriously being angry. The attempt to express that emotion falls flat on me.
! I may despise screaming children, but my point wasn't to be spiteful.
! @Unrequited:
! > Everything you say is so backwards. You laud up instruments and melodies in anime and j-pop when they're usually the most generic four chord snoozefests and yet can't even appreciate in the slightest some of the more technically proficient, pronounced instrumentals? They're boring why? The lack of vocals? You're given bands with distinctive vocals and they're boring too. What's more is that they're actually in English so you can understand what is literally being conveyed.
! Cripes, I literally just said I don't think of anime music as some kind of pinnacle for music. I listen to it because there's a lot of it I know and it's there. But even then, is
! My problem with the instrumental math music is that it doesn't come together very well, just like that uterus song. I wouldn't like it any better if it had vocals.
! More often than not, I listen to music while doing to something else. It makes no difference what language it's in because I'm listening to the sound and expression, not what they're saying (though it sometimes makes for some laughs when I find out ).
! @Unrequited:
! > Titus Andronicus sounds like the voice of a generation personified. La Dispute "whiny" voice is what makes it seem so heartfelt and sincere. The first comment on YT sums it up well. "To you the voice is terrible, but to most of us listeners his voice is a beautiful way to express feelings with so much emotion to the point where you can tell something is tearing him apart"And Wipers? C'mon they're the Wipers.
! Okay?
! Like I said before, La Dispute is just awkward for me to listen to. I like emotions, but not all by their lonesome.
! Titus and the Wipers I just find boring. If I was somewhere and it was playing on the radios/speakers/whatever, I wouldn't mind it being there (since they're not annoying and they don't kill my ears), but I wouldn't stay just to listen to it.
! @Unrequited:
! > But you know what? Disagreement and thinking they're boring? That's all fine. However this awful caustic passive aggressive shit you've got going on? Check your attitude at the door kid.
! I'm getting snippy because I can't just have my opinion and leave it at that for some reason. :U
! @Unrequited:
! > With your strut I expected you to have some giant investment into a veritable genre. Be it hip hop, rock, classical, etc. You say you do, but it doesn't come across that way.
! When did I ever say this?
! I've been saying this whole time that I listen to what I feel like. There's lots of things I do like, but why would you think I have a giant investment in anything? :/Monkey King:
! @Monkey:
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! > ahahaha, what? That's even stupider! Take some damn voice lessons.
! What's stupid is that you think that's a viable option for everyone. :U
! @Monkey:
! > You shuffled it into your concept of "normal singing" when by any metric vocaloids would not be considered any kind of normal golden mean sort of thing.
! Of course it's not ~the golden mean~, but most Vocaloids were recorded with samples of regular singing from real people, no screaming or yelling or anything.
! Sure, the software can't completely emulate all the tones and inflections of a real person's voice yet, but some users can get
! @Monkey:
! > 1. Your categorization is nonsensical.
2. Why the hell are you trying to apply some harebrained amateur categories on an established discipline?
3. Why are you using a personal metric in an argument with other people lol.
! 1. Okay. :U
2. Because I was trying to explain my opinion from my point of view.
3. Because it's an argument about opinions. I wouldn't have if we were arguing about legitimate facts.
! @Monkey:
! > You've made some form of respect for three genres you don't really listen to, and settled into a purgatory of anime related music. Great.
! So you think I don't like anything but anime music? That's dumb.
! @Monkey:
! > A voice type is something like Belting, Resonant?? Again, what does that even mean.
! A voice with that “resonance” to it.
! @Monkey:
! > Are those people over 14 lol?
! Most of them, yes.
! @Monkey:
! > Because they're SCHOOLS.
! Using a song made by someone in a “nerd niche fad”, as you called it, that was made for the “nerd niche fad”, in their graduation ceremonies.
! No one would even think about doing that if they were as small-time as you're making them out to be.
! @Monkey:
! > You know when I was a lad we did the Macarena. However I distinctly do not recall a bunch of very sad people trying to establish a Macarena following beyond dancing like idiots.
! I don't recall the Macarena having an identifiable face or being a tool that other people could use to create music either.
! @Monkey:
! > So then we widen my criticism of your shallow listening habits to include virtually any genre ever on an anime soundtrack and you look even worse. Congrats.
! So you think all anime music is shallow and bad? For shaaame.
! I won't like a song just because it's in an anime. That would be dumb. I would listen to the anime songs I do even if they weren't; it's just that they're easier to find and discover if it's connected with a franchise or name I already know.
! Take Nujabes, for example. I like pretty much all of his work, but I wouldn't have found him at all if it weren't for Samurai Champloo. And I wouldn't have found Otso or DJ Okawari (the former of which is Finnish and has no connection to anime whatsoever) if I hadn't found his music.
! @Monkey:
! > I've never listened to Skrewdriver myself, but I don't frankly care if they sound "nice".
The fact that it's a Steampunk band is horribly unavoidable, tell me how I would listen to that….how I would even come across that in the pursuit of giving a shit about music of any kind, without caring chiefly about the nerdy thing involved in the first place.
I'm saying son, it sounds like you care less about the music than the nerdy subject matter, be it anime or CLOCK STEAM ZEPPELIN ROCK.
! I did find out about them because of their robot getups (one of their music videos was making the rounds on tumblr). However, I'd still like their music if they weren't in costume. The instruments are pleasant to listen to, and they have good voices, with said voices harmonizing really well together.
! Heck, I don't even care about steampunk. It's not my thing.
! I don't like music because it's nerdy. I like it because it sounds good.
! @Monkey:
! > ahahahaha, it's identical in every which way. How can you cast aspersions on nerdy bands who sing about Megaman and try to get a bunch of guys dressed up as Steampunk shit out of the same thing. It does not work!
! Because I don't care for the Protomen's music, and would only be a fan if I was really into Megaman.
! I would like SPG's music even if they didn't dress like robots.
! @Monkey:
! > Are you honestly honestly trying to tell us this is not a nerd niche fad thing. Really?
! Are you honestly trying to say it is?
! The only reason Vocalod has its own fandom and fad going on right now is because Crypton decided to market Miku as a ~kawaii virtual idol~, which gives people identifiable characters to work with. That's it. Before that, people literally only thought of Vocaloids as tools to use in place of a real singer.
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I've listened to every single song that's been thrown at me here.
I'll go look for stuff outside what I normally listen to if I feel like it (I wouldn't listen to classical music or gregorian chants if I didn't); I just haven't felt like it in awhile.
I used to hate rap with a seething passion. I have a few rap songs I like now.
The problem I have with screamo is one of the core aspects: screaming most if not all the lyrics in a song. I'm not interested in shredding my ears on a quest to go find something that doesn't.
I have no problem with expanding my horizons, I just don't feel the constant need to do it.
I'm gonna be frank with you here. From what I've seen in this thread, the thread's purpose is not to go "I hate this it stinks and is stupid." It's more of a "I hate this genre, but does anyone have anything I could possibly like here?" And from what I've gathered from you so far is that you have no intention of even listening to any of the music people are posting for you with an open mind right now.
That's great about your experience with rap, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I have nothing against you disliking screaming as a vocal thing, but don't shut out whole genres of music because of it.
Like I said earlier, you'll really miss out on something great. And don't just expand your horizons "when you feel like it". I did that with reading, and while I'm an avid reader, I never felt like reading anything beyond sci-fi, and that's boring. That's like cooking nothing but hot dogs everyday because "you don't feel like" making that spaghetti you had once and really liked.
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What's stupid is that you think that's a viable option for everyone. :U
To not sing? They still aren't singing by doing this lol. And please, if you can own a laptop and crazy voice altering programs you can have voice lessons.
Or hell sing with your ugly voice anyway, never stopped Mick Jagger!
Main point still being you are not singing by doing this.Of course it's not ~the golden mean~, but most Vocaloids were recorded with samples of regular singing from real people, no screaming or yelling or anything.
That's far more off the beaten path than "yelling" and even screaming lol. You aren't getting that one pushed in without people smelling a rat, give it up.
Sure, the software can't completely emulate all the tones and inflections of a real person's voice yet, but some users can get
.That's not fucking close lollll.
This is your problem, you are inexperienced. Not just inexperienced, all your experience or like 90% of it except your very transparent GREGORIAN CHANT fandom is with extremely small inbred pools of soundtracks and bizarre internet fads like programmed robo voices.
What's the problem with this?
You think that sounds close to a real person.If anything wouldn't the whole point of robo voice people BE sounding fake?? That's the whole point of auto-tone or Kraftwerk vocals. To SOUND robotic. I'm like freaked here that you somehow feel the need to listen to this vocaloid crap with the motive of hearing it like normals voices….what the heck is even going on with that.
And again why not just listen to real singing! If that's your motive!
1. Okay. :U
2. Because I was trying to explain my opinion from my point of view.In your own made up moon language?
3. Because it's an argument about opinions. I wouldn't have if we were arguing about legitimate facts.
Music is a field, you can't just make up stuff like that unless you really really know your shit.
So you think I don't like anything but anime music? That's dumb.
We're seeing a theme here.
A voice with that “resonance” to it.
Oh
No what?
I don't recall the Macarena having an identifiable face or being a tool that other people could use to create music either.
A silly fad is a silly fad.
So you think all anime music is shallow and bad? For shaaame.
Wow you completely misread that, as well as my original J Pop comment. Try again.
Take Nujabes, for example. I like pretty much all of his work, but I wouldn't have found him at all if it weren't for Samurai Champloo.
That's funny because yes, yes you would have had you listened to Hip-Hop, and not leap frogged around anything you could associate with anime. And the problem would seem to be you will swim through all the anime and novelty streams, but you won't actually follow where Nujabes leads, not to random Finnish DJ's, but to the entire Hip-Hop genre/
Nujabes should lead to Fat Jon who should lead to Five Deez who should lead to Hi-Tek who should lead to Talib Kweli and from there the skies the limit.
And yes "novelty", where you pick up stuff that is just peculiar LOOKING in some way, not musically but otherwise, like your Steampunk band.
Are you honestly trying to say it is?
Yes. It's, the way you're pushing it? Fucking stupid. It's a deliberate attempt at creating uncanny valley vocals, it's pointless. And if it ever does acheive the glorious goal of sounding exactly like a real person it will be COMPLETELY pointless.
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Why use Yoko Kanno? Or mention Nujabes? We all know their music is godly, I think everyone is referring to the vocaloid bullshit when talking about anime music in general and generic four chord snoozefests.
Nujabes is how I found DJ Okawari and Pase Rock and Substance and Hi-Tek and others, as well.
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The weird thing is, I like lots of harsh vocals from screamo to death metal and the like, but really have a hard time standing voices autotuned to hell and back and I would imagine this vocaloid stuff, though I haven't listened to it yet. I don't think screamed or growled vocals are really supposed to sound angry, that's not really what I get out of it. Death metal and black metal can talk about some fucked up shit so the harsh vocals fit the subject matter most of the time. I don't see them trying to be angry. Screamo probably does this but I wouldn't say all the time. Screamo and emo are just that: about emotion and stuff. So the screaming could be in anger, sadness, and other strong emotions. Your screaming = anger is pretty wrong.
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Why use Yoko Kanno? Or mention Nujabes? We all know their music is godly, I think everyone is referring to the vocaloid bullshit when talking about anime music in general and generic four chord snoozefests.
Nujabes is how I found DJ Okawari and Pase Rock and Substance and Hi-Tek and others, as well.
It's like I'm seeing him peering down a wide interesting road into HipHopdom from Nujabes and…..stopping because it doesn't seem comfortable and weeaboo enough beyond that point.
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Edit: Better example of the tension of the room. (Song title fits too for what some people thinking).
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Lol I'll just leave it at this. This is "the music genre you hate thread". You however approached it like the "hate on music" thread. And if you're going to try and denounce something open endedly rather than proclaim self-referential distaste, then you've gotta add credit to your name by demonstrating a wealth of knowledge in music. Especially if you're going to go after some big fish like aggressive vocals. (Because by doing this you're trying to take a giant chunk out of rock) On the other hand if you instead hated on some small concentrated subgenre nobody would care.