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Doesn't count; Block A was obviously made up of fodder that would be weaklings in East Blue.
Well, yes. They are fodder in terms of story: Nameless Characters without unique designs.
There is literaly nothing impressive about handling bunch of nobodies in the story where power levels are completely sidelined for the purpoeses of plot.
Blame Oda's approach to storytelling.
Well, yes. They are fodder in terms of story: Nameless Characters without unique designs.
There is literaly nothing impressive about handling bunch of nobodies in the story where power levels are completely sidelined for the purpoeses of plot.
Blame Oda's approach to storytelling.
There is no reason not to believe that Block A had people of the same caliber as Blocks B-D.
Every little detail doesn't need to be seen on panel. What matters is that Burgess was able to take care of people of that caliber in the time frame that he did.
There is no reason not to believe that Block A had people of the same caliber as Blocks B-D.
Every little detail doesn't need to be seen on panel. What matters is that Burgess was able to take care of people of that caliber in the time frame that he did.
There is no reason to believe that Block A had the people of the same caliber as Blocks B-D.
Things that would point to it being opposite: Lack of challenge when Burgess took part in it. Lack of named characters showing up at a later date.
And I really need to track when SHOW, DON'T TELL storytelling technique became loathed in Arlong Park.
There is no reason to believe that Block A had the people of the same caliber as Blocks B-D.
And why is this? Why would just one block have nobody of worth?
Things that would point to it being opposite: Lack of challenge when Burgess took part in it. Lack of named characters showing up at a later date.
Uh yes, he's a crewmember of one of the Yonko. He's obviously no pushover and the normal participants in the blocks obviously wouldn't be able to stand against him.
What do you gain from actually seeing these characters in action and naming them? Additions to an arc that is already 2 years old for the sake of showing you what's already obvious?
And why is this? Why would just one block have nobody of worth
I dunno. Scheduling issues? Evidently is didn't have anybody worth mention or acknowledgement in any way.
Uh yes, he's a crewmember of one of the Yonko. He's obviously no pushover and the normal participants in the blocks obviously wouldn't be able to stand against him.
Luffy ain't pushover either, and I seem to recall he didn't end his block instantenously.
Unless you are arguing Burgess is stronger then Luffy?
And those "normal" participants you mention are, by New World standarts, fodder.
What do you gain from actually seeing these characters in action and naming them? Additions to an arc that is already 2 years old for the sake of showing you what's already obvious?
What do you gain from seeing characters from B and D in action and naming them?
And that's the problem: The mere fact that Burgess is member of Blackbeard Pirates is enough to make it obvious for you. Despite the fact that Burgess has no feats to speak off.
I dunno. Scheduling issues? Evidently is didn't have anybody worth mention or acknowledgement in any way.
That's just pure speculation.
Oda already has an overload of characters in the arc, and since these were likely going to be throwaway characters, that's why he didn't name them.
Luffy ain't pushover either, and I seem to recall he didn't end his block instantenously.
Unless you are arguing Burgess is stronger then Luffy?
And those "normal" participants you mention are, by New World standarts, fodder.
Luffy is definitely not stronger than Burgess, a top commander of the final antagonist of the series. Not at this point in the series at least.
"Normal participants", as in the same as the named characters in Blocks B-D are not fodder just because a really strong opponent defeated them.
What do you gain from seeing characters from B and D in action and naming them?
Are we forgetting that multiple characters from Blocks B, C, and D are now part of Luffy's alliance to take down Doflamingo and Kaido?
And that's the problem: The mere fact that Burgess is member of Blackbeard Pirates is enough to make it obvious for you. Despite the fact that Burgess has no feats to speak off.
I'm quite content with what we know so far. I don't need to see Burgess in some all out fight to know what he's capable of.
He wouldn't be in the position he's in if he had no feats. You're just ignoring them because they're not on a page.
That's just pure speculation.
So is yours. I faill to see how one is better then the other.
Ah, right, my isn't firmly rooted in wishful thinking, forgot.
Oda already has an overload of characters in the arc, and since these were likely going to be throwaway characters, that's why he didn't name them.
Sure, that's why named and gave unique designs to several characters in block D that didn't appear since.
Luffy is definitely not stronger than Burgess, a top commander of the final antagonist of the series. Not at this point in the series at least.
So you are arguing that Burgess is the strongest after Blackbeard then?
"Normal participants", as in the same as the named characters in Blocks B-D are not fodder just because a really strong opponent defeated them.
Consider the amount of effort Burgess put in it, pretty sure they are fodder.
None of the others were defeated as effortlessly.
Are we forgetting that multiple characters from Blocks B, C, and D are now part of Luffy's alliance to take down Doflamingo and Kaido?
You are being non-sensical again; the only reason those characters are part of the alliance with Luffy is because Oda actually created them. There is absolutly no reason he couldn't do it for block A. None. And if you going to argue time constraints: A) Oda wasted time on plenty of things this arc that could be considered less important than showing off major antagonist B) He could have easily cut down the other three blocks for the purpoes of the block A.
I'm quite content with what we know so far. I don't need to see Burgess in some all out fight to know what he's capable of.
Indeed, you don't need to see him in any fight at all to know what he's capable of.
By which I mean: You are making stuff up to fit your own beliefs.
He wouldn't be in the position he's in if he had no feats. You're just ignoring them because they're not on a page.
For something to be ignored, it would have to exist first.
This again?
It's pretty obvious Oda didn't bother much with block A. Nobody of note was mentioned to have been in it (Gats commenting how a hero of Lamia kingdom or a pirate with a 200 mil bounty have lost in an instant, for example would have worked just fine), nobody from block A has been mentioned again, nobody from block A has taken a part in the events after Colosseum fights… Maybe they were all too hurt to do anything afterwards? I go back to "nobody of note was mentioned". Abdullah and Jeet, for example, got their necks broken, but not a scratch on them now. People are resistant in One Piece. If there was anyone important in block A, they would have recovered somehow, wouldn't they?
Look, all I'm saying is that Burgess (Or Blackbeard Pirates in general), need some feats to match their reputation.
One more thing. It's still possible someone from block A does something in this arc or becomes relevant in the future. I can only make an opinion based on what was shown so far.
Not expecting it, though.
How about Fodderenzio, captain of the random pirates with a reward over 35millions(higher than Arlongs) who was trying to get the mera mera to challenge Doula but got beaten by Burguess in block A.
Fodderenzio is now on the palace and already scared Koala with his not-that-impressive strength but scary enough to make women hide with blankets.
Leave Fodderenzio alone!
Look, all I'm saying is that Burgess (Or Blackbeard Pirates in general), need some feats to match their reputation.
Well we have plenty of off-panel feats to draw from, most prominent among them being that they conquered enough of The New World to become a Yonko class crew in only 2 years, pretty damn impressive.
We saw Burgess fighting on even terms with Sabo in the arena as well, losing only by a cunning maneuver on Sabo's part.
The same Sabo that clashed with Fuji and just about ripped Bastille's head off.
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Well we have plenty of off-panel feats to draw from, most prominent among them being that they conquered enough of The New World to become a Yonko class crew in only 2 years, pretty damn impressive.
Yes, but because their actual on screen feats are mostly being pathethic, it strikes me less as "Man, they are so strong and impressive" and more as "Man, Oda sure went all out with plot shield for those guys".
The discrepancy is large enough for me to find it annoying, that's all. I find their off-panel feats difficult to believe as anything else than plot forcing it. And they seem forced, if only because I cannot help but ask how did they did it, since they are so easily outwitted and/or overpowered.
We saw Burgess fighting on even terms with Sabo in the arena as well, losing only by a cunning maneuver on Sabo's part.
You and I interpret that scene very differently.
We saw them trade one blow, which does not in any way suggest that the entire fight was even.
We saw that while they both ended up relatively unharmed, Sabo destroyed Burgess equipment. That does not suggest equal in my mind.
And finaly, and I will never let it go, Burgess, the helmsman of Blackbeard pirates who sailed through Grand Line with it's insane weather on a bloody raft, got defeated by uneasy ground. Come on. I know Oda puts little emphasis on actual sailing in the series, but superhuman warrior and incredibly experienced sailor got beaten by just that?
I can't even call it cunning. It's something literaly anybody can do: Just destroy the ground beneath Burgess feet and you have him at your mercy? And this guy clashed with powers of New World and came up on top? I don't buy it, frankly.
Blackbeard pirates were not hyped as the group that are moderatly succesful, you know?
The same Sabo that clashed with Fuji and just about ripped Bastille's head off.
Fuji wasn't serious and defeating Vice Admiral would have been more impressive if the rank had actually any merits behind it.
I need some new VAs. Not the kind Bastille is, the kind Borsalino, and Kuzan, and Sakazuki were back in the day. Monsters, though not yet Admirals.
Just jumping in and maybe I'm not clear on the entire debate as I only see Robz comment.
Well we have plenty of off-panel feats to draw from, most prominent among them being that they conquered enough of The New World to become a Yonko class crew in only 2 years, pretty damn impressive.
We saw Burgess fighting on even terms with Sabo in the arena as well, losing only by a cunning maneuver on Sabo's part.
The same Sabo that clashed with Fuji and just about ripped Bastille's head off.
That is certainly enough for me. It really should be considering we don't need to see all that Burgess is capable of before the epic final show down. He is an end game villain and our imagination should be enough at the moment. Even when he was revealed to be the masked combatant I knew we wouldn't get much of a display from him. It's very much like Doflamingo during the War. Yeah he did some cool things and we were able to figure out that he was no push over but that wasn't the time to truly display his biggest capabilities.
Burgess will do a few more cool things before this arc is all said and done but we won't see a fraction of his best until the very very end.
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The current discussion what an arc is, could be avoided when you divide the actual question. How many chapters the Strawhatcrew stayed on Dressrosa in comparison to former islands? And how long were the SH meddling with Dofla and his underlings in comparison to former Shichibukai/other villains?
That is certainly enough for me. It really should be considering we don't need to see all that Burgess is capable of before the epic final show down. He is an end game villain and our imagination should be enough at the moment. Even when he was revealed to be the masked combatant I knew we wouldn't get much of a display from him. It's very much like Doflamingo during the War. Yeah he did some cool things and we were able to figure out that he was no push over but that wasn't the time to truly display his biggest capabilities.
Burgess will do a few more cool things before this arc is all said and done but we won't see a fraction of his best until the very very end.
We didn't see his mediocre thus far, if that's the case.
Question A) So why can't they succede on screen, again? If anything, it serves as an anti-hype. I don't particulary see how seeing how Burgess fails time and time again causes anybody's imagination to go "This guy is awesome villain, can't wait for the final arc when he will finally be awesome.", to be honest.
B) Your Doflamingo example is unsubstantial. Because yes, indeed, we have seen Doflamingo do some cool things. It was a great setup, even if it didn't quite get the pay-off just yet. HOWEVER, that is not the case with Burgess. Doffy defeated several foes, clashed evenly with several high profile people, and did stuff. Burgess mostly just stands there and takes a beating or is entirely ineffective at offense. We have seen him: Fail to attack Ace, get curbstomp by Magellan, get crushed by Sengoku and NOT get instantly defeated by Sabo. The champion of Blackbeard Pirates.
And my question is, if he is supposed to only get hype from things he didn't do on screen, and he isn't suppose to show his stuff up until the very last final arc, why include him? Pointless fanservice while ruining his credibility further?
B) Your Doflamingo example is unsubstantial. Because yes, indeed, we have seen Doflamingo do some cool things. It was a great setup, even if it didn't quite get the pay-off just yet. HOWEVER, that is not the case with Burgess. Doffy defeated several foes, clashed evenly with several high profile people, and did stuff. Burgess mostly just stands there and takes a beating or is entirely ineffective at offense. We have seen him: Fail to attack Ace, get curbstomp by Magellan, get crushed by Sengoku and NOT get instantly defeated by Sabo. The champion of Blackbeard Pirates.
To be fair, Magellan curbstomped everybody including Blackbeard and same goes with Sengoku. The only direct fight we have seen him was with Sabo and not much can be made out of that of course.
I hope that near the end of the series Zoro will lose his other eye, but he will have an horizontal scar on it. This is because i would really like a badass panel of him coming out of some smoke with his body all dark and the scars highlighted in a bright white.
It's hard to put into words but i hope i made it clear enough. This is because Fujitora's blindness and Zoro already having only one eye could lead to that. Then Zoro could end with a funny line like: "At least i won't ever see that dumb cook again!", or either a super emotional one like: "DAMMIT! I will never see you again… Sanji..."
Question A) So why can't they succede on screen, again? If anything, it serves as an anti-hype. I don't particulary see how seeing how Burgess fails time and time again causes anybody's imagination to go "This guy is awesome villain, can't wait for the final arc when he will finally be awesome.", to be honest.
Do they need major on-panel feats to draw from right now?
When we get deeper into The New World it's gonna be all about The Blackbeard Pirates and it's all gonna be on-panel.
There's also the fact that Burgess has been getting showcased into situations where either A) a character has been reserved to be defeated by another or B) a character is a major antagonist and needs to look strong.
B) Your Doflamingo example is unsubstantial. Because yes, indeed, we have seen Doflamingo do some cool things. It was a great setup, even if it didn't quite get the pay-off just yet. HOWEVER, that is not the case with Burgess. Doffy defeated several foes, clashed evenly with several high profile people, and did stuff. Burgess mostly just stands there and takes a beating or is entirely ineffective at offense. We have seen him: Fail to attack Ace, get curbstomp by Magellan and NOT get instantly defeated by Sabo. The champion of Blackbeard Pirates.
Fail to attack a logia who at that point in the series were essentially invincible unless you were Blackbeard?
Get beaten by a guy like Magellan who was the major antagonist of that arc, was still to be involved in it's resolution and destroyed pretty much everybody he came into contact with?
Stand toe to toe with a guy who made a major redebut in this arc, in which he clashed with an admiral and eviscerated a senior vice admiral?
These are not things that destroy credibility!
Not unless you remove all the context and judge things purely by wins and losses, but that's just ridiculous!
get crushed by Sengoku
This one deserves a quote of it's own.
Get smacked by the top guy in the marines, in his battle debut…when you're never done saying how the marines always look weak and can never do anything right?
Bloody hell, Darth, you cannot be serious with this one.
And my question is, if he is supposed to only get hype from things he didn't do on screen, and he isn't suppose to show his stuff up until the very last final arc, why include him? Pointless fanservice while ruining his credibility further?
I assume Oda is going to let us see a bit more of the Blackbeard Pirates on a gradual scale as the SH's move through The New World.
Y'know, let us get to know them a bit more on an individual basis and build the rivalry between the two crews.
Or else we'd end up with a final battle between two crews where one captain dislikes the other, the other captain doesn't particularly dislike the first captain, and the rest of the crews don't really give that much of a shit about each other.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
I assume Oda is going to let us see a bit more of the Blackbeard Pirates on a gradual scale as the SH's move through The New World.
Y'know, let us get to know them a bit more on an individual basis and build the rivalry between the two crews.
Or else we'd end up with a final battle between two crews where one captain dislikes the other, the other captain doesn't particularly dislike the first captain, and the rest of the crews don't really give that much of a shit about each other.
^ This plus potential Devil Fruit User kidnapping.
Buffalo is gonna join the Happo Navy.
Got my attention. Why?
Does Happo Navy have a resident necromancer? :ninja:
I have a feeling since he sees Baby 5 as a little sister figure he would go along with her so she is safe.
One piece remember? Alive untill proven otherwise.
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Unless it's a flashback, then you can use common sense.
I was joking anyway. I doubt he would have been killed in such a shitty way. And people have already survived broken necks and falls from high places this arc.
I did somehow forget about his connection to B5 while writing that. I guess he'd be fine with anyone, as long as there are casinos around.
The promise Luffy makes to Shirohoshi in Chapter 653 pg13 is more or less the same promise Joyboy made to the former Poseidon. Joyboy was also a D and finally his word will be kept hundreds of years later.
Dunno if that ones already been said.
Luffy will name all his Haki enhanced second gear moves after animals that are quick and fast.(ex. Hawk and Eagle)
And his Haki enhanced third gear moves after big strong animals(ex. Grizzly Bear and Elephant)
Luffy will name all his Haki enhanced second gear moves after animals that are quick and fast.(ex. Hawk and Eagle)
And his Haki enhanced third gear moves after big strong animals(ex. Grizzly Bear and Elephant)
This goes really well with Luffys childhood, how he lately trained on island full of Beasts and how lately Doflamingo is calling Luffy a beast.
I want to see Luffys Tiger/ Lion move, maybe Gorilla as well.. Who knows if Luffy has more gears now.. Maybe he has Boa attack as well where he crushes enemy like Boa as we already seen Snake Shot on Hody.
Oda found a way for making up consistent and logical attacks that are inspired by nature and I find it very very cool.
This goes really well with Luffys childhood and how lately Doflamingo is calling Luffy a beast.
I want to see Luffys Tiger/ Lion move. Maybe he has Boa attack as well where he crushes enemy like Boa.
Oda found a way for making up consistent and logical attacks that are inspired by nature and I find it very very cool.
Yeah he still has a few gear second and third moves to enhance with Haki.
Oda please make a Falcon Punch move.
My theory is that Law is not going to be in the next arc because of he's injuries. He will stay at Zoe getting better while the strawhats ( and maybe the 3 samurai) will go after Big mom.
I think gear fourth will inspired in the king punch. Unless the translation I read was wrong, Elisabello could do his punch because of his unique body. He has to keep his muscles flexed for an hour to release all the power at once. Luffy already showed he could learn gear 2 just from watching cp9's soru. Coupled with Doflamingo saying gear 3 is too slow and gear 2 isn't strong enough, I could see gear 4 being strong and fast but with short reach (since it's based on compressing the muscles rather than stretching them).
My theory is that Law is not going to be in the next arc because of he's injuries. He will stay at Zoe getting better while the strawhats ( and maybe the 3 samurai) will go after Big mom.
I'm pretty sure the next arc will be wano…i remember that the wano script was on oda's desk since punk hazard
Here's an unlikely theory…
When Luffy and Law part ways, something about Traflagar's arm triggers Luffy to ask if Law can give anyone an arm (like he gave the people on Punk Hazard legs). He requests to find Shanks and give him a new arm, "so he'll be strong when I fight him".
Unlikely, but would be pretty cool.
Any theories on what could Big Mom's crew be base on??
A theory of mine is that it could be dase on children's fairytales, fables and songs. Maybe?
Here's an unlikely theory…
When Luffy and Law part ways, something about Traflagar's arm triggers Luffy to ask if Law can give anyone an arm (like he gave the people on Punk Hazard legs). He requests to find Shanks and give him a new arm, "so he'll be strong when I fight him".
Unlikely, but would be pretty cool.
LOL Shanks will be dead when Luffy looks for him.
Any theories on what could Big Mom's crew be base on??
A theory of mine is that it could be dase on children's fairytales, fables and songs. Maybe?
I think that Big Mom vs Kidd alliance is inspired by Wizard of Oz story.
Kidd being Tin Man, Hawkings being Straw man and Apoo "Roar of the Sea" being Cowardly Lion.
It would make a lot of sense if Witch Mythical Zoan would be Big Moms devil fruit power.
Her design already seems to be inspired by Jubaba from Spirited Away - a witch. She could fly without any broom, cast firebals, had telekinesis n stuff.
Oh and as it was discussed in different threads Big Mom most likely ate "people" made out of candies/ cookies etc made alive by one of devil fruit users from her crew.
Her ship is singing most likely because it was made "alive" by Big Moms crewmember.
This goes really well with Luffys childhood, how he lately trained on island full of Beasts and how lately Doflamingo is calling Luffy a beast.
I want to see Luffys Tiger/ Lion move, maybe Gorilla as well.. Who knows if Luffy has more gears now.. Maybe he has Boa attack as well where he crushes enemy like Boa as we already seen Snake Shot on Hody.
Oda found a way for making up consistent and logical attacks that are inspired by nature and I find it very very cool.
it really depends if there is something gun related that has the names of a tiger/lion..since the various eagle,hawk,snake shot,elephant gun and grizzly magnum come from real names of guns or cartridges
Any theories on what could Big Mom's crew be base on??
A theory of mine is that it could be dase on children's fairytales, fables and songs. Maybe?
Looked a bit up in the wiki and food seems to be the obvious answer, but who knows. Big Mom with her giant appetite and her name based of real life pirate Charlotte which is also a french cake, the food themed ship, Tamago meaning "egg" in Japanese and Pekoms being derived from peko peko meaning "very hungry"
Oda has been slowly planting the seeds that Luffy will evenutally die at a young age by the end of the series, with all the references to his losing life force through certain abilities and Ivankov's healing.
I think that we will see Kuro as one of Shadow Brokers.
It would fit perfectly with him wanting to keep low profile while planning stuff.
Guy was pretty dangerous and with his swordfingers he would have even a chance to free himself from Doflamingos string trap(random thought that just came and I felt like sharing 
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I wonder how Arlong will be brought up into story. For some time I thought that he might be Celestial Dragons slave now, who knows if we wont see him when action will get to Holy Land.
Kuro just seemed like a guy with no ambition. I think seeing Krieg or especially Gin would be a lot more likely.
Kuro just seemed like a guy with no ambition. I think seeing Krieg or especially Gin would be a lot more likely.
Luffy has a habit of sparking people. Kuro wanted the good life. He might be back in the game if it proves profitable enough.
Luffy has a habit of sparking people. Kuro wanted the good life. He might be back in the game if it proves profitable enough.
Maybe one of them could be the last shikibukai.
Kuro just seemed like a guy with no ambition. I think seeing Krieg or especially Gin would be a lot more likely.
Yea especially with Don Krieg using poison gas such long time ago - Oda can easily connect it with Cesar being maker of that gass.
The One Piece was said to be a reward.
THE REWARD OF DEATH!
Does anyone has any theories about why Oda gave the new admirals the theme of Tiger and Ox? I was reading SBS and in one of them, Oda said that he was planning to give new admirals something else to fit with Monkey theme that Kizaru has. This is what I could find from wiki. "There actually was a time at one point where I considered making the new admirals a "Pig" and "Kappa" to match the "Monkey" "Pig" and "Kappa" trio from Journey to the West. However, in the end, I decided against it and we're here now with our newest additions, the "Tiger" and the "Bull". There is an actual reason for this, but I won't tell. "
