Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2

D.aelthasaar

@Monkey:

D.aelthsaar banished to a hell where he's trapped in a maze of low easily crossable stone walls that don't even reach his waist. But due to his pride he can never admit they are crossable…

As stated by RobbyBevard, you're allowed to do as you wish because you're daddy's little girl.
That doesn't mean you're right in your ways.
You, sir, are just a protected idiot that would keep in line if he couldn't hide under his mum's gown.

@MiyamotoMusashi
It's ok, not naive, at least I get a reaction that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
You see, the mods have arrived at least, otherwise it would have been ignored like in other threads

valiantt

@D.aelthasaar:

As stated by RobbyBevard, you're allowed to do as you wish because you're daddy's little girl.
That doesn't mean you're right in your ways.
You, sir, are just a protected idiot that would keep in line if he couldn't hide under his mum's gown.

@MiyamotoMusashi
It's ok, not naive, at least I get a reaction that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
You see, the mods have arrived at least, otherwise it would have been ignored like in other threads

Let it go. No one should be this butthurt on an internet forum for getting their opinions squashed (to the extent of making jokes about someone's mother. C'mon you have class or what?)

D.aelthasaar

@valiantt:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-03T-Y06FKB4/Txwf9QzzC-I/AAAAAAAAGnI/X-R9MpnnRgE/s320/Pomeranian+dog_14.jpg

Let it go. No one should be this butthurt on an internet forum for getting their opinions squashed (to the extent of making jokes about someone's mother. C'mon you have class or what?)

My theories haven't been squashed since they are theories, just like MK ones and have not been proven yet, neither mine nor his.
And I respect MK theories, unlike him that has not respect for other people's theories.
I haven't had class, you're right, but it was to get the attention of mods, that were somewhere else when I had been repeatedly insulted, and got a fair infraction, that should have been at least a temp ban instead.
I purposedly pull the rope to see how much it can be stressed here, and realized that the rope has different resistance for different people, and that's not fair.
Robby's answer has been quite silly actually: "he has been here longer than you, etc…", if the registration time is so important, I wonder why registrations are still open, maybe it's to have older members bullying the new ones, which is what I see, and not only in my experience.
Now, it doesn't matter how bad theories can be, no one should be entitled and allowed to insult others or be denigratory or reply with aggressiveness.
It's not being butthurt, it's about fair principles of policy and nice coexistence.

Monkey King

@D.aelthasaar:

As stated by RobbyBevard, you're allowed to do as you wish because you're daddy's little girl.
That doesn't mean you're right in your ways.
You, sir, are just a protected idiot that would keep in line if he couldn't hide under his mum's gown.

Actually this is like literally my eighth account precisely because I didn't keep in line for several years, but eventually I won the hearts of the next gen of mods and also mellowed out to the current version lol.

valiantt

I remember Jerk Disease. That was my faaaavorite rendition. What was that…Season 3?

wolfwood

The help help i'm being repressed scene from holy grail should be the go to response to all complaints about our moderation

Shadowgreed

Some times I think that we should have a thread called "Hilarious post" in the General Threads area, so we can keep track of all the stuff that happens around here

Drazgoon

Phone lagged double posted :x

Drazgoon

@wolfwoof:

The help help i'm being repressed scene from holy grail should be the go to response to all complaints about our moderation

And settle all useless debates with proper democracy like the people's front of judea. Or the judea's people front.

Supernova122

I have some random theories which I'm sure have been proposed already, but I feel like posting them.

Seems that this is the 'bitch about dickish members and the mods' thread. Maybe I got lost somewhere, but I'll just throw my theories out anyway.

Fujitora has some sort of earth-based logia (say, rock)
Dalton, Pell and Chaka have SMILE-derived Zoan powers.

samael63

just crossed my mind few days ago. (hope its not a repost from other member)

1. kizaru was a brutal killing maniac marines. and because of that he's prohibited to act freely without order.
I saw his happy reaction on mariejoa when volunteering for dealing with supernova on tenryubito incident, excitement when accidentally destroying the magrove and miss-use the black den-den mushi to call sentomaru.
and when he ask for permission to kill every pirates to sengoku at marineford war.

Drazgoon

@samael63:

just crossed my mind few days ago. (hope its not a repost from other member)

1. kizaru was a brutal killing maniac marines. and because of that he's prohibited to act freely without order.
I saw his happy reaction on mariejoa when volunteering for dealing with supernova on tenryubito incident, excitement when accidentally destroying the magrove and miss-use the black den-den mushi to call sentomaru.
and when he ask for permission to kill every pirates to sengoku at marineford war.

Cause you know… It's not his job as an admiral to aid the celestial dragons or anything, and the rest of the navy weren't actually trying to harm anyone at the war. Nor is he smiling all the time, even when a supposed haki monster is pointing a gun at him.

wolfwood

Kizaru always seemed mentally unstable to me

Monkey King

@Supernova122:

Fujitora has some sort of earth-based logia (say, rock)

He was directly shown creating strong pressure against the thugs in the bar to create that hole. It wasn't like he was controlling the rocks underneath.
Plus the color coding has been central to the admirals and their powers (blue = ice, yellow = light, red = magma). And in Japan apparently gravity is associated with purple.

Mortein

@samael63:

just crossed my mind few days ago. (hope its not a repost from other member)

1. kizaru was a brutal killing maniac marines. and because of that he's prohibited to act freely without order.
I saw his happy reaction on mariejoa when volunteering for dealing with supernova on tenryubito incident, excitement when accidentally destroying the magrove and miss-use the black den-den mushi to call sentomaru.
and when he ask for permission to kill every pirates to sengoku at marineford war.

He just likes his job, what's wrong with that?

Champ

I've always kind of thought kizaru displays all the typical traits of a stoner. For example he was completely absorbed in the explosion he created at sabody. Also he was using the wrong den den mushi for a very long period of time. It doesn't hurt he wears sunglasses everywhere either. Intentional or not, his character seems to at least resemble a stoner.

melody of dead.deanders

@samael63:

just crossed my mind few days ago. (hope its not a repost from other member)

1. kizaru was a brutal killing maniac marines. and because of that he's prohibited to act freely without order.
I saw his happy reaction on mariejoa when volunteering for dealing with supernova on tenryubito incident, excitement when accidentally destroying the magrove and miss-use the black den-den mushi to call sentomaru.
and when he ask for permission to kill every pirates to sengoku at marineford war.

one word man.. "lazy"

Shadowgreed

@Champ:

I've always kind of thought kizaru displays all the typical traits of a stoner. For example he was completely absorbed in the explosion he created at sabody. Also he was using the wrong den den mushi for a very long period of time. It doesn't hurt he wears sunglasses everywhere either. Intentional or not, his character seems to at least resemble a stoner.

Just look at his face, that dude must feel so light and shit

Supernova122

@Monkey:

He was directly shown creating strong pressure against the thugs in the bar to create that hole. It wasn't like he was controlling the rocks underneath.
Plus the color coding has been central to the admirals and their powers (blue = ice, yellow = light, red = magma). And in Japan apparently gravity is associated with purple.

That's definitely what I thought too when he made that hole. But … that seems a little like a super-limited version of Blackbeard's power, doesn't it?

samael63

@Mortein:

He just likes his job, what's wrong with that?

I mean he's a dangerous one. he's more lazy than kuzan since he didn't interested with fleet admiral position while basically pika-pika power are more powerfull and could move faster than magma and ice.then he seems so happy when the incident happened so he could go there and why should he ask for permission to kill anyone at marineford.

MBL

So I have this theory regarding the Space Pirates shown in Enels cover story. Perhaps it's not a perfect theory, and it may sound a little random, but I think the Space Pirates are actually robots constructed by Vegapunk and sent to the moon by the World Government. The reason they seemed like robots (or cyborgs, or whatever) to me was by looking at those barometer-like things on the chest and arms of the space pirate in this page http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v46/c441/1.html. Now, since we can pretty much assume that the moon and the winged people play a big role in the OP world, and that they have something to do with the Void Century, and that the Gorosei pretty much know everything about it, maybe they ordered Vegapunk to build these robots and send them to the moon for investigation, since we can see in these pages that they were digging something http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v46/c445/1.html http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v48/c461/1.html. Now that Enel got there and messed up their plans, maybe this will be brought up in the story, perhaps at Enels re-introduction or something (if this theory is true, of course).

I got this idea while re-reading the series, and paying a little too much attention on the cover stories.

Maju

@Supernova122:

That's definitely what I thought too when he made that hole. But … that seems a little like a super-limited version of Blackbeard's power, doesn't it?

tech is just a human vacuum cleaner,he is the center of gravity to which things are attracted to.
fujitora just increase (and decrease too?) the normal gravity of the planet towards his center.

in short,teach can attract you to him,but can't squash you on the ground like fuji does..also..probably his gravity is not enough to bring down an asteroid,his fruit seems more short-ranged

IlanZ

@MBL:

So I have this theory regarding the Space Pirates shown in Enels cover story. Perhaps it's not a perfect theory, and it may sound a little random, but I think the Space Pirates are actually robots constructed by Vegapunk and sent to the moon by the World Government. The reason they seemed like robots (or cyborgs, or whatever) to me was by looking at those barometer-like things on the chest and arms of the space pirate in this page http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v46/c441/1.html. Now, since we can pretty much assume that the moon and the winged people play a big role in the OP world, and that they have something to do with the Void Century, and that the Gorosei pretty much know everything about it, maybe they ordered Vegapunk to build these robots and send them to the moon for investigation, since we can see in these pages that they were digging something http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v46/c445/1.html http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v48/c461/1.html. Now that Enel got there and messed up their plans, maybe this will be brought up in the story, perhaps at Enels re-introduction or something (if this theory is true, of course).

I got this idea while re-reading the series, and paying a little too much attention on the cover stories.

Actually they were made before Vegapunk, by another scientist. Just read the full coverstory.

MBL

^Really? I can't remember reading that at all, can you tell me where it's stated? Maybe it's the translation.

IlanZ

@MBL:

^Really? I can't remember reading that at all, can you tell me where it's stated? Maybe it's the translation.

The coverstory goes from ch. 428 to 474.
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Supernova122

@Maju:

tech is just a human vacuum cleaner,he is the center of gravity to which things are attracted to.
fujitora just increase (and decrease too?) the normal gravity of the planet towards his center.

in short,teach can attract you to him,but can't squash you on the ground like fuji does..also..probably his gravity is not enough to bring down an asteroid,his fruit seems more short-ranged

When Teach uses his power, he sometimes creates a pool of darkness and everything on it cuts sucked down … like he did to that town on Banaro and to those Marines at Impel Down.

MBL

@IlanZ:

The coverstory goes from ch. 428 to 474.
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Well, I was actually talking about those fox-looking things that were there before those little guys arrived on balloons.

King Cannon

@Supernova122:

When Teach uses his power, he sometimes creates a pool of darkness and everything on it cuts sucked down … like he did to that town on Banaro and to those Marines at Impel Down.

Remember that Teach is darkness, so that pool of darkness is technically Teach himself.

IlanZ

@MBL:

Well, I was actually talking about those fox-looking things that were there before those little guys arrived on balloons.

If you actually read the coverstory you'll see they are space pirates.

D.aelthasaar

Garp will have the most epic death in the manga.
What do you think he'll do when he'll realize he didn't move a finger to save his grand son and see what the World Government truly is?
He will unleash like a beast.

Shadowgreed

@D.aelthasaar:

Garp will have the most epic death in the manga.
What do you think he'll do when he'll realize he didn't move a finger to save his grand son and see what the World Government truly is?
He will unleash like a beast.

Garp is not stupid, he already know what the WG truly is, he's own son is the leader of an organization that opposes the WG, so he probably knows why Dragon chose that path

D.aelthasaar

@Shadowgreed:

Garp is not stupid, he already know what the WG truly is, he's own son is the leader of an organization that opposes the WG, so he probably knows why Dragon chose that path

Being in denial and not being stupid are different things, he's thick and stubborn so he needs solid proofs to get out of his denial.
He refuses the truth.
And let me add, he knows what WG is, but, just as most of marines, I would say even Sengoku, don't know what WG did/does.
The same WG doesn't trust Marine at all, and that's why they have the Cypher teams.

MBL

@IlanZ:

If you actually read the coverstory you'll see they are space pirates.

I think, there's a misunderstanding here. Are you saying that those little robots are the Space Pirates? If so, then I don't think this is true, since they went to the moon to avenge their creator, and found the Space Pirates there.

Katzztar

@MBL:

I think, there's a misunderstanding here. Are you saying that those little robots are the Space Pirates? If so, then I don't think this is true, since they went to the moon to avenge their creator, and found the Space Pirates there.

After rereading both sides… I think both have misunderstood each other. Maybe its a time to clarify things?
From what I am gathering=

MBL is talking about the fox-like beings and suggests they may be robots sent by Vegapunk.

While IlanZ thought he was first referred to the Spaceys (little robots). Then later tried to point out that the fox-like creatures ARE Space pirates and not simply robots called space pirates. By the "If you actually read the coverstory you'll see they are space pirates." comment meant that if one read the titles to the pages, we can see that Oda identifies them as space pirates and not as robots.

Also one page in particular shows that its a space suit and not robots. Notice how the hand look like they got mittens on, plus there is aline on the head going from the chin to under the hat ...its a suit.= [hide] [/hide]

MBL

^Alright, thanks for clearing it up, Katzztar. And now that you mention it, it does look like a suit, maybe they are Space Pirates. It just seemed odd to me that aliens would randomly appear in the series just like that, and why would they go to a moon when there's a planet that is perfectly capable of supporting life right there.

Katzztar

@MBL:

^Alright, thanks for clearing it up, Katzztar. And now that you mention it, it does look like a suit, maybe they are Space Pirates. It just seemed odd to me that aliens would randomly appear in the series just like that, and why would they go to a moon when there's a planet that is perfectly capable of supporting life right there.

Well 2 points=
1- They weren't after populating the moon, …plus that they were not wearing helmets makes me think there is some atmosphere there.

3- Those Space Pirates were there on the moon for something. Ch 445 shows them having a "moon ruins excavation scheme" (check out the title for the cover arc) [hide] [/hide]

wolfwood

@Shadowgreed:

Garp is not stupid, he already know what the WG truly is

All of the old-timers should have been around long enough to know just how dirty things get

To think of guys like Garp and Sengoku as naive idealists who know nothing of the world seems super weird to me

MrPecans

Luffy will one day have a finishing move called "Gomu Gomu no Blunderbuss."

D.aelthasaar

@wolfwoof:

All of the old-timers should have been around long enough to know just how dirty things get

To think of guys like Garp and Sengoku as naive idealists who know nothing of the world seems super weird to me

I don't think either of them knows about the Void Century.
One thing of notice is how Spandine doesn't exist in the current time.
Spandine heard Clover's suppositions about the VC and I would not be surprised if the Gorosei had him killed someway, as an accident.
To think both Spandine and Spandam, assigned to sensible information are 2 guys that are easy disposable.

So Garp and Sengoku are the ones that act under the ideal that weak people must be protected and Marine offers that protection.
They're stubborn to see the Marine as the only way and strong ideals often blind people.
They both refuse to see how dirty things got, that is way worse than not seeing, and make the burden on your conscience weight more.
Speaking of Marines we have Kuzan's example about how people that is not in denial and questions Marine's approach to justice can leave.

It's obvious that one day Luffy will make that curtain made of lies fall, it will be funny to see people's reaction.

nonectra

@D.aelthasaar:

I don't think either of them knows about the Void Century.
One thing of notice is how Spandine doesn't exist in the current time.
Spandine heard Clover's suppositions about the VC and I would not be surprised if the Gorosei had him killed someway, as an accident.
To think both Spandine and Spandam, assigned to sensible information are 2 guys that are easy disposable.

So Garp and Sengoku are the ones that act under the ideal that weak people must be protected and Marine offers that protection.
They're stubborn to see the Marine as the only way and strong ideals often blind people.
They both refuse to see how dirty things got, that is way worse than not seeing, and make the burden on your conscience weight more.
Speaking of Marines we have Kuzan's example about how people that is not in denial and questions Marine's approach to justice can leave.

It's obvious that one day Luffy will make that curtain made of lies fall, it will be funny to see people's reaction.

Oda begs to disagree with the bolded.

!

D.aelthasaar

Oooops, I didn't remember LOL
Thanks for the heads up.

wolfwood

@D.aelthasaar:

So Garp and Sengoku are the ones that act under the ideal that weak people must be protected and Marine offers that protection.

Which it does. But they are obviously already well aware the the marines are not always the shining heroes

Drazgoon

Regardless of what they learned, it wouldn't do them much good to tarnish the marines name they've helped promote. It's a safe bet the WG does support the greater good, they occasionnally use evil methods, but down the line it's something people like garp and sengoku have to overlook.
They judged for themselves that staying with the government would help the greater cause.
Considering the WG has already been in control for 800 years and is established as the dominant figure of authority, working for them is the best option to ensure global safety (or atleast working towards that goal).

D.aelthasaar

@wolfwoof:

Which it does. But they are obviously already well aware the the marines are not always the shining heroes

Well, that would fell into the The end justifies the means category

wolfwood

More in the sense that doing a little good is better than doing no good

For example how training and guiding the new generation of marines is more productive than leaving in protest

D.aelthasaar

Well, that's 2 kills with one shot in Garp's case.

First, he obviously see something in Coby and maybe he feels he's the guy he wanted his grandchildren to be.

Second, if you want to change the world, you must change the minds of the youngsters, because old habits die hard.
Garp can't change the Gorusei or the Tenryubito but he can change the future vice-admirals and admirals.

Kasouya

@D.aelthasaar:

Second, if you want to change the world, you must change the minds of the youngsters, because old habits die hard.
Garp can't change the Gorusei or the Tenryubito but he can change the future vice-admirals and admirals.

hmm, maybe Kuzan and Smoker are example of this

D.aelthasaar

Kuzan is 49 and Smoker 36.
The lazy justice concepts is more fitting to the life of a free-roamer without rank and rules.

About Smoker…what's Smoker's justice? I think that Smoker is very competitive, his need of competition overcomes his need of justice imho

Maju

@D.aelthasaar:

Kuzan is 49 and Smoker 36.
The lazy justice concepts is more fitting to the life of a free-roamer without rank and rules.

About Smoker…what's Smoker's justice? I think that Smoker is very competitive, his need of competition overcomes his need of justice imho

smoker's justice is "just follow your sense of justice"
a "case-by-case justice" if you will

D.aelthasaar

I don't think so.
I think you misunderstood the words he said to Tashigi, in which I suppose he intended "don't accept blindly other people's ideas of justice, but make your own".

Regarding him, the case-by-case justice is NOT a proper idea of justice, storywise it wouldn't make him interesting.
Until now we saw him addressing what he clearly saw as the "major evil", Crocodile or CC immediately pose a threat that was way bigger than the threat Luffy would have posed.
Though imho it is too much to label him as the "case-by-case justice" guy.