Man, just imagine a gigantesco manos shigan.
Robin should definitely learn shigan. Just plant an arm on the back of someone and shigan till he drops dead.
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Oh shit now I wanna see Drake in his Trex form doing shigan with those small hands and then doing soru and geppo.. Btw what will happen if Sanji does shigan with his leg since his shoe is now pointy too.
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sanji would be cool if he can learn rankyaku. and zoro learns tekkai.
since luffy got soru. and sanji got geppou.
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Is the theory that Aokiji and Sabo have joined the Revolutionaries still alive?
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Robin + Haki wouldn't be overpowered for one reason, balance. It's the same reason why an admiral that can attack at the speed of light isn't the top marine, biggest threat, or didn't destroy every enemy on the field within seconds. As a matter of fact Kizaru could single handedly remove every threat to the World Government within a day with his DF.
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Is the theory that Aokiji and Sabo have joined the Revolutionaries still alive?
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Robin + Haki wouldn't be overpowered for one reason, balance. It's the same reason why an admiral that can attack at the speed of light isn't the top marine, biggest threat, or didn't destroy every enemy on the field within seconds. As a matter of fact Kizaru could single handedly remove every threat to the World Government within a day with his DF.
True but there strong characters out there and Kizaru don't care, he always on troll mode, his still not sure about his justice- his one confused dude.
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Is the theory that Aokiji and Sabo have joined the Revolutionaries still alive?
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Robin + Haki wouldn't be overpowered for one reason, balance. It's the same reason why an admiral that can attack at the speed of light isn't the top marine, biggest threat, or didn't destroy every enemy on the field within seconds. As a matter of fact Kizaru could single handedly remove every threat to the World Government within a day with his DF.
True but there strong characters out there and Kizaru don't care, he always on troll mode, his still not sure about his justice- his one confused dude.
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@Prince:
Here's an idea I just thought of, we know Madam Shyarly predicted Luffy would destroy Fishman Island.
What if the destruction of Fishman Island is a side effect of destroying Mariejois that is located directly above it. Imagine using one of the ancient weapons to destroy Mariejois from above, only the attack is so powerful it pierces all the way through the Red Line.
I like that theory. I'm always looking for ways that Luffy could indirectly destroy the island. Still though I'm keeping an open mind about him doing it on purpose.
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We've really not seen a pic of Vegapunk yet and only seen a shadowed image of him looming over Kuma who's on a table. We can't use that to judge size since its for effect nad not really in prespective (Vegapunk is stnading, Kuma's not)
But judging on the furnishing of the 2nd lab Franky found on Baldimore in ch 596, I get the impression he's really tall, as in taller than Brook. On the fireplace mantle are some items, one has dials, like an old fashioned radio. Also there is a shelf behind Franky top right, looks like a 'tube' tv. Thing is both are so far out of reach of the two natives with Franky and they are normal sized. Even Franky wouyld have to streach upwards to reach them.
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Theory: Blackbeard brought a fruit with him under the tarp when whitebeard died. We now know that the closest fruit becomes a devil fruit when the user dies because of the smiley incident. So Blackbeard probably just brought a fruit close to him.
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...but that would still kill him, I suppose.
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We now know that the closest fruit becomes a devil fruit when the user dies because of the smiley incident.
I'm not sure that's 100% confirmed. a Blackbeard was probably there when Ace died, as the two died in a very small space of time, so he would have gotten Ace's as well.
I'm more inclined to believe that the Smiley thing is a result of experimentation on CC's part.
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Theory: Blackbeard brought a fruit with him under the tarp when whitebeard died. We now know that the closest fruit becomes a devil fruit when the user dies because of the smiley incident. So Blackbeard probably just brought a fruit close to him.
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…but that would still kill him, I suppose.
Not if the gravity from the Dark-Dark Fruit prevents his body from exploding.
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blackbeard touching seastone should theoretically explode then, even upon accidental contact. Seems rather weak for an Achilles tendon. Imo CC's method is based on his experimentation (possibly only smileys fruit) since it was a real DF, Blackbeard's i've always believed had something to do with his abnormal body status and his yami yami no mi, i don't think his plan was possibly without both of those. i don't think it's preventing him from blowing up though, something else is at work.
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If Sanji ever fights Vergo in Dressrosa and defeats him, his bounty will go up 200million because the WG will be surprised that there is someone in the Strawhats crew who can defeat a VA as strong as Vergo, thinking they might've been underestimating the SHs crew. And if Sanji bounty is still 77million it will go up to 277million. Zehahaha higher than Zoro's bounty lol Sanji will troll Zoro badly with never ending fight from both(a good way for Oda to keep the two rivalry).
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blackbeard touching seastone should theoretically explode then, even upon accidental contact. Seems rather weak for an Achilles tendon. Imo CC's method is based on his experimentation (possibly only smileys fruit) since it was a real DF, Blackbeard's i've always believed had something to do with his abnormal body status and his yami yami no mi, i don't think his plan was possibly without both of those. i don't think it's preventing him from blowing up though, something else is at work.
That's right, didn't Marco make a comment of Teach having a 'unique body' during the War?
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That's right, didn't Marco make a comment of Teach having a 'unique body' during the War?
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/17703/one-piece_ch577_by_franky-house/15
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That's right, didn't Marco make a comment of Teach having a 'unique body' during the War?
yeah it's been quoted enough, op logic is way too out of whack for us to build a theory about what his "abnormal" body could really be with the information we have, i guess that's why stuff like the cerberus theory falls nicely in place (though i do fancy it it seems less plausible for some reason the more time progresses) so i guess it's another 5 year cliffhanger, which seems unnecessary since us knowing what it is won't change the fact he's a tank shooting nukes, unless of course it's unnatural and could potentially be countered… then there's all the reasons in the world to hide it.
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i think that in the end law will betray/sell out luffy and that kidd will do the say with apoo and hawkins and ,due to their apparent close relationship, become the "real" alliance in the new world. they could have been planning it as far back as sabondy when they escaped together. law could have even saved luffy based on the fact that he would be indebted to him and be more likely to help take part in the plan later on. also having a partner in the world government would be a huge help in remaining elusive. with all the build up to big mam i think that she indeed will be the target.
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Whorever franky apears its gona apear with him the yeti cool brothers and the rest of brownbeard crewmates.
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Whorever franky apears its gona apear with him the yeti cool brothers and the rest of brownbeard crewmates.
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i think that in the end law will betray/sell out luffy and that kidd will do the say with apoo and hawkins and ,due to their apparent close relationship, become the "real" alliance in the new world. they could have been planning it as far back as sabondy when they escaped together. law could have even saved luffy based on the fact that he would be indebted to him and be more likely to help take part in the plan later on. also having a partner in the world government would be a huge help in remaining elusive. with all the build up to big mam i think that she indeed will be the target.
Honestly, I don't think anyone could betray Luffy. Even if Law tried he'd end up coming back. Luffy just wouldn't accept it a la Nami and Robin.
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Honestly, I don't think anyone could betray Luffy. Even if Law tried he'd end up coming back. Luffy just wouldn't accept it a la Nami and Robin.
I agree, it's like Mihawk said, Luffy has the ability to make allies out of people ..and as Usopp said, to Luffy an ally is a friend.
Frankly, I think Law is cunning enough to know that he has more to gain by staying allies with Luffy. Sure there's gonna be disagreements and maybe fights… but those fights would be like the tradtional Avengers vs X-Men fights= they always happen (often over stupid stuff) but the thing clears up and their allies/friends again. -
What if Akainu wasn't the one who "won" but Aokiji?
Let me explain… Jinbe talked about Akainu showing mercy to Aokiji at the end of the fight... But what if Aokiji was the one who showed mercy to an exhausted Akainu but he took this as oppurtunity to attack him and knock him out for good.
Maybe this was the ultimate reason Aokiji left after seeing the method Akainu even is even using against his own comrades and the the WG/marines are even accepting them
Well after seeing that sandman (movie spoiler bringer) said this
! > Sanji, Zoro and Usopp are riding on a "Boaty Banana" on the downhill road to escape from the stream of heated rocks and volcanic ash. Just before they are caught up with the stream, Aokiji freezes it and saves them.
I once again thought about that cuz it would maybe decline the argument… Akainu came out at the top cuz of his DF against the ice of Aokiji.
Would be some nice twist, even if I don't believe it either... But we only have Jinbe words and I doubt Jinbe was there watching the show for 10 days
How would you feel?
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I personally wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist, mainly because I'm surprised that akainu apparently showed him mercy and let him live.
from what I've seen from akainu, he doesn't strike me as someone who would show mercy towards people opposing his "absolute justice"
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I personally wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist, mainly because I'm surprised that akainu apparently showed him mercy and let him live.
from what I've seen from akainu, he doesn't strike me as someone who would show mercy towards people opposing his "absolute justice"
True, he's ordered the destrustion of a Marine ship that held the innocent civillians at Ohara just to make sure no hisotrian got aboard to escape. So not only the civilians were murdered, but the marines manning the ship. He showed the same lack of concern for fellow mainres during the war. Some may say he was dealing with insubdination (Coby) and abandonment of duty (random soldier) but he did try (Coby) or did (randon soldier) kill them on the spot without a martial trial.
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It's kind of a mistake because Zoro seems to know what a samurai and what wano country is in chapter 467. But in 655 he doesnt know what it is and is asking brook. but none the less its insane Oda planned so far ahead!
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Honestly i think it's just showcasing zoro is an idiot, pretty hard to find any conclusive evidence to go against that.
I definitely like the twist of akainu taking advantage of a moment's hesitation on aokiji's part, I thought we had been through their whole "df superiority" thing though, Kuzan's fruit is "coldness" hence the chill chill fruit. He lowers temperatures, so yes of course he obviously appears as ice, he's freezing water molecules in the air, i'm sure if he tried hard enough he could make liquid nitrogen too. While akainu's DF is "burn baby burn", i think Oda was very careful to make that clear to avoid precisely that superiority conflict.
oh and P.S: molten lava solidifies quickly when in contact with air, so imagine kelvin 0 temperature.
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Guys it's a translation error. Zoro is saying
Zoro: I heard the word "samurai"… Brook, isn't that...?
Brook: Indeed. "Samurai" is the name given to the swordsmen of the Wano Country. // The Wano Country is a sealed-off nation whose people do not take kindly to outsiders... / They are not even a part of the World Government. / They say the country's swordsmen, the samurai, are so terrifyingly strong... / ...that even the Marines dare not venture too close. -
There still isn't much conclusive evidence on this particular utterance. It is rather vague.
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It would not make sense that Zoro would forget about Samurais from Wano after 2 years, why he chose to particularly question Brook is another matter though
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Honestly, I don't think anyone could betray Luffy. Even if Law tried he'd end up coming back. Luffy just wouldn't accept it a la Nami and Robin.
i think that since the relationship is different and we know so little about him it is quite plausible. it is used quite often as a plot in shounen.
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i think that since the relationship is different and we know so little about him it is quite plausible. it is used quite often as a plot in shounen.
Yeah, but Oda's never been a stereotypical shonen author.
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Yeah, but Oda's never been a stereotypical shonen author.
At times yes and at times no he is not. I think you might be mixing him up with Togashi who goes out of his way to defy shounen conventions. However, Oda utilizes conventions quite often and other times he pulls a twist.
Some notable OP Shounen conventions:
1. One on One fights/pairings (this was pretty frequent back during his earlier chapters, but he still does utilize it).
2. Power levels (this one is NOT as frequent but it did show up a few times such as Enies Lobby and Bounties)
3. Hero always saves the day and things turn out for the better (this one was pretty frequent back during his earlier chapters like East Blue and Grand Line, now it seems like he is tweaking this a bit).
4. Some villians return as allies (this one was most apparent in Impel Down)
5. Protagonist has an entitled/important lineage (Dragon/Garp)There are a lot more, but I don't feel like going further into it. However, yes, Oda does break from the mold at times too, but he still does follow a lot of the conventions (unlike Togashi who deliberately breaks them). Fortunately, Oda doesn't utilize some of the more awful Shounen conventions which show up mostly in Bleach/Naruto like Cheerleaders (sometimes), Hero does EVERYTHING that impacts everyone in the world (pretty much a messiah figure), neglects secondary characters, and so on .
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I hate how some series make the hero or main character unrealistically the strongest or one of the strongest characters. Like in Naruto where Naruto became one of the strongest ninja in the world in literally a week of training. But in One Piece, Luffy been training his whole life and he's still nowhere near the big-shot's levels.. during Marineford Luffy was getting saved so many times. And even Aokiji said you're not on this level yet.
That's the amazing thing Oda does, he makes Luffy earn his power, and not as strong as other big shots in the world even after 700 chapters.
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At times yes and at times no he is not. I think you might be mixing him up with Togashi who goes out of his way to defy shounen conventions. However, Oda utilizes conventions quite often and other times he pulls a twist.
Some notable OP Shounen conventions:
1. One on One fights/pairings (this was pretty frequent back during his earlier chapters, but he still does utilize it).
2. Power levels (this one is NOT as frequent but it did show up a few times such as Enies Lobby and Bounties)
3. Hero always saves the day and things turn out for the better (this one was pretty frequent back during his earlier chapters like East Blue and Grand Line, now it seems like he is tweaking this a bit).
4. Some villians return as allies (this one was most apparent in Impel Down)
5. Protagonist has an entitled/important lineage (Dragon/Garp)There are a lot more, but I don't feel like going further into it. However, yes, Oda does break from the mold at times too, but he still does follow a lot of the conventions (unlike Togashi who deliberately breaks them). Fortunately, Oda doesn't utilize some of the more awful Shounen conventions which show up mostly in Bleach/Naruto like Cheerleaders (sometimes), Hero does EVERYTHING that impacts everyone in the world (pretty much a messiah figure), neglects secondary characters, and so on .
- Are One on One fights really a shounen trope? Seems more like an action trope to me, and more of a tool to keep things less chaotic.
- The EL thing was definitely power levels, but bounties are not. They never have been, never will be.
- To be fair, this is a general story cliche, it's not restricted to shounen. I mean, obviously the hero has to save the day. But then again, we got 2 years of Luffy failing to save anything.
- Definitely, but this is going to be an integral part of the story simply because of Luffy's gift.
- Yeah, this one kind of bums me out, but in the end I think it has more to do with D's in general than just his lineage.
Now, Oda is clearly not like Togashi, but when it comes down to it, I don't think Oda is trying to subvert the genre, especially since he's not trying to write the genre. Oda is telling a Romance story first and foremost, not a shounen one. Now it just so happens that shounen in general happens to borrow a lot from the romance tales, but where the two genres differ Oda follows Romance. That's moreso what I meant by Oda's not a stereotypical shounen author.
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Oh I certainly agree that Oda is not subverting the genre. Fortunately Oda is a clever guy and picked some of the better shounen elements to implement in his story (in spite of some of its flaws). Err though I should clarify some of them:
1. I should have said battle pairings instead of one on one. For example, using Enies Lobby again and all the previous arcs, it seemed to be pretty easy to pin point who will fight who (and it still is at times, though Oda has been subverting it a little). For example, Luffy will always fight the big baddie of the arc, Zoro will face the 2nd, and so on. It is a pretty typical formula that has been used most of the time in shounen titles.
2. I agree that bounties are generally not a good idea for guessing "power levels", but it seemed to be something Oda implemented earlier to determine their "levels" back in East Blue/Grand Line. Now the bounties seem to be all over the place with varying reasons why they might be at a particular amount (i.e. Caribou's remarkably high bounty).
3.This one is definintely a standard narrative cliche so I will modify it to suit OP. Shounen heroes are clear "goody goodies" (appearance, looks, attitudes and so on). There seems to be very little grayness from the protagonists (aside from ambiguous characters like Law). I admit, this one might be a stretch and could be flat out wrong, but the protagonists of OP are definitely "goody goodies" with little room for grayness (except maybe Robin earlier shrug). Some of the villains on the other hand, are pretty gray so at least Oda definitely avoided making repulsively "EVIL EVILS" with no redeemable qualities (and even turned some of the seemingly Evil Evils into decent characters). Writing characters like Freeza/Cell/Evil Buu is just…lazy. Oda handles his villains pretty well (for the most part). -
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- Are One on One fights really a shounen trope? Seems more like an action trope to me, and more of a tool to keep things less chaotic.
- The EL thing was definitely power levels, but bounties are not. They never have been, never will be.
- To be fair, this is a general story cliche, it's not restricted to shounen. I mean, obviously the hero has to save the day. But then again, we got 2 years of Luffy failing to save anything.
- Definitely, but this is going to be an integral part of the story simply because of Luffy's gift.
- Yeah, this one kind of bums me out, but in the end I think it has more to do with D's in general than just his lineage.
Now, Oda is clearly not like Togashi, but when it comes down to it, I don't think Oda is trying to subvert the genre, especially since he's not trying to write the genre. Oda is telling a Romance story first and foremost, not a shounen one. Now it just so happens that shounen in general happens to borrow a lot from the romance tales, but where the two genres differ Oda follows Romance. That's moreso what I meant by Oda's not a stereotypical shounen author.
what i am saying is that betrayal is very good/used often plot line one which one piece has used many times now. i dont think it is out of the realm of possibility that someone as creepy law could betray them. and REALLY one piece isnt shonen? it is almost a carbon copy of of dragonball when it comes to origin stories and power ups and appearance and character gimmicks and power levels(bounties have always been used as power levels although not to the same degree) and personalities. and dragonball is the atypical shonen so i think it is safe to say that we are well into to shonen territory now. i mean gear second is literally just kaioken
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what i am saying is that betrayal is very good/used often plot line one which one piece has used many times now. i dont think it is out of the realm of possibility that someone as creepy law could betray them. and REALLY one piece isnt shonen? it is almost a carbon copy of of dragonball when it comes to origin stories and power ups and appearance and character gimmicks and power levels(bounties have always been used as power levels although not to the same degree) and personalities. and dragonball is the atypical shonen so i think it is safe to say that we are well into to shonen territory now. i mean gear second is literally just kaioken
All I was saying is that Law might try to betray Luffy, but in the end they will be allies until the end of the series.
As for the bolded part: Huh?
Outside of Luffy and Goku One-Piece and Dragon Ball aren't very similar.
And no, bounties have never been used as power levels, otherwise Chopper is weaker than Higuma and Robin is stronger than Sanji.
Also, origin stories? Who in One-Piece has an origin story similar to a DB character.
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Usopp's name and character might have been inspired by Aesop "the greek story teller".
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Usopp's name and character might have been inspired by Aesop "the greek story teller".
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I just got an idea after reading someone's post, So Sanji being called "Black leg" is a hint that Sanji will be a total Armament haki master- Sanji will have the strongest Armament haki or 2nd strongest armament haki in the crew.
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I just got an idea after reading someone's post, So Sanji being called "Black leg" is a hint that Sanji will be a total Armament haki master- Sanji will have the strongest Armament haki or 2nd strongest armament haki in the crew.
That really makes me wonder what Diable Jambe will look like with Busō Kōka..
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That really makes me wonder what Diable Jambe will look like with Busō Kōka..
yeah me too, maybe it will be both reddish and black flame mixed together?
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@nodensuke:
That really makes me wonder what Diable Jambe will look like with Busō Kōka..
Maybe his full body will be coverd in Diable Jambe and Busi Koka and he will look like this
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I just got an idea after reading someone's post, So Sanji being called "Black leg" is a hint that Sanji will be a total Armament haki master- Sanji will have the strongest Armament haki or 2nd strongest armament haki in the crew.
i had always thought that the strongest armament haki's would be 1. luffy 2. zoro and 3. sanji…meaning zoro is more proficient with CoA.
and sanji more proficient in CoO...with the top 3 observation users in the crew should be 1. robin (i just think robin should at least have observation haki...and luffy wont be too good at CoO since he is reckless) 2. sanji and 3. zoro (not too good either, since he focuses on strength
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Yes, it might sound a bit dumb but this is a legit theory. Even the name of the Dojo suggests this.
After Zoro defeats Mihawk he tells him that the strongest swordman is actually a dojo master of certain dojo in East Blue.
Yes, Koshiro is actually the strongest swordman in the series not Mihawk. And Kuina didn't die, instead Koshiro cut Kuina's memories to make a path for Zoro to become the next dojo master after he oversaw their duel and conversation. The real reason for this however is that he hasn't liked women at all since Kuina's mom divorced him. Basicly he was just asking for an excuse to send her back to Kuina's mom.
Later on Zoro & Kuina both become the dojo masters because they were too weak to defeat Koshiro in 1 vs 1. Oh and Wado Ichimonji was the strongest sword in the world all along (it was Koshiro's sword) that is why Mihawk couldn't cut it.
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i had always thought that the strongest armament haki's would be 1. luffy 2. zoro and 3. sanji…meaning zoro is more proficient with CoA.
and sanji more proficient in CoO...with the top 3 observation users in the crew should be 1. robin (i just think robin should at least have observation haki...and luffy wont be too good at CoO since he is reckless) 2. sanji and 3. zoro (not too good either, since he focuses on strength
Zoro can't have a stronger COA than Sanji, Sanji fights with his body and every physical fighters we've seen there COA is the strongest(Sentomaru, Garp, Vergo), Zoro already have swords which will protect him from attacks. Sanji having best COO doesn't mean his opponent won't land a hit on him, and look at all Sanji fights he always gets his bone broken unlike Luffy who his rubber body sometimes helps, so Sanji really needs the strongest Armament haki.
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Zoro can't have a stronger COA than Sanji, Sanji fights with his body and every physical fighters we've seen there COA is the strongest(Sentomaru, Garp, Vergo), Zoro already have swords which will protect him from attacks. Sanji having best COO doesn't mean his opponent won't land a hit on him, and look at all Sanji fights he always gets his bone broken unlike Luffy who his rubber body sometimes helps, so Sanji really needs the strongest Armament haki.
I don´t want to disagree with you since i don´t care who has the stronger what but we already have seen two characters whose Haki allowed to fight Admirals (or even better, protect against their DFs) and who also used swords, namely Shanks and Rayleigh.
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Maybe his full body will be coverd in Diable Jambe and Busi Koka and he will look like this
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[qimg]http://yourfriendandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/sunspot.jpg[/qimg]wow the 2nd pic looks kool, just imagine a little flames coming out of his body- shivers he will look so cool
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I don´t want to disagree with you since i don´t care who has the stronger what but we already have seen two characters whose Haki allowed to fight Admirals (or even better, protect against their DFs) and who also used swords, namely Shanks and Rayleigh.
you didn't get what I'm saying- Zoro COA will be strong but Sanji's needs to be stronger since he will probably rely on it in every fight, because he fights every time with his body so he needs it in almost all his fights but Zoro will only need to use armament haki when his fighting a logia but will use his brute force to cut objects or when his fighting a non-logia. Tell me who should have the better one: -A person who fights with everyone/people with his normal human-body or A person who only needs it when his up against a logia?
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