Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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Soooooo.. Moriah is going to stole Ace's and Whitebeard's corpses and use them as zombies?
Whitebeard is quite big but I don't know what he would do with Ace. And It wouldn't surprise me that some pirates keeps the island on check.
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This isn't a theory is so much as a prediction: Shanks and Mihawk will be killed/defeated by Blackbeard and Shiryuu.
Shanks is a very important character to One Piece, in relation to the main character who he gave his hat to. He's also a Yonkou so is Blackbeard who gave Shanks his scars on his face.
Blackbeard former crew member of Whitebeard, inadvertently caused the death of Ace, took Whitebeards devil fruit and of course is now after the timeskip is hunting strong devil fruit users and stealing their powers.
As Luffy grows stronger, and stronger it'll reignite Blackbeard 's interest in Luffy only this time he'll kill him to take his devil fruit. Blackbeard and Shanks already have bad blood so a fight with them is bound to happen, but one of the prevailing motivations for Shanks to duke it out with BB will be save Luffy. Blackbeard's words to Shanks foreshadow this inevitability: "It's just not the time to taking on the likes of you…yet." If not this, its plausible the fight will be more about territory. Shanks won't be captured again, but he will be killed in some form near the end of the story.
Mihawk will be defeated trying to assist Red-haired Shanks of some sort, Shiriyuu is often eager to test his blade on anyone and may want the title of greatest swordsmen to prove himself.
I mean it makes sense, I mean it would reinvent Zoro's goal actually: Helping Luffy achieve his goal, and defeat the new world's greatest swordsmen and avenge Mihawk. If anything just like Blackbeard is Luffy's #1 competitor to being pirate king Shiryuu should act in a similar manner: being Zoro's # 1 competitor to being the greatest swordsmen in the world. These two are the greatest rivals to Luffy and Zoro and actually should be the archenemies they have to overcome.This has most likely predicted before, but I have laid out scenarios on how it can play out.
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This isn't a theory is so much as a prediction: Shanks and Mihawk will be killed/defeated by Blackbeard and Shiryuu.
Shanks is a very important character to One Piece, in relation to the main character who he gave his hat to. He's also a Yonkou so is Blackbeard who gave Shanks his scars on his face.
Blackbeard former crew member of Whitebeard, inadvertently caused the death of Ace, took Whitebeards devil fruit and of course is now after the timeskip is hunting strong devil fruit users and stealing their powers.
As Luffy grows stronger, and stronger it'll reignite Blackbeard 's interest in Luffy only this time he'll kill him to take his devil fruit. Blackbeard and Shanks already have bad blood so a fight with them is bound to happen, but one of the prevailing motivations for Shanks to duke it out with BB will be save Luffy. Blackbeard's words to Shanks foreshadow this inevitability: "It's just not the time to taking on the likes of you…yet." If not this, its plausible the fight will be more about territory. Shanks won't be captured again, but he will be killed in some form near the end of the story.
Mihawk will be defeated trying to assist Red-haired Shanks of some sort, Shiriyuu is often eager to test his blade on anyone and may want the title of greatest swordsmen to prove himself.
I mean it makes sense, I mean it would reinvent Zoro's goal actually: Helping Luffy achieve his goal, and defeat the new world's greatest swordsmen and avenge Mihawk. If anything just like Blackbeard is Luffy's #1 competitor to being pirate king Shiryuu should act in a similar manner: being Zoro's # 1 competitor to being the greatest swordsmen in the world. These two are the greatest rivals to Luffy and Zoro and actually should be the archenemies they have to overcome.This has most likely predicted before, but I have laid out scenarios on how it can play out.
Obviously Shanks is gonna die by Blackbeard is pretty much a dead give away already. We've been given enough foreshadowing of this happening already.
However, Mihawk losing to Shiryuu will not happen imo.
Reasons are that.
Mihawk once told Zoro at Baratie that he will remain at the top and wait for him.
Blackbeard pirates will most likely be defeated before the great war against the World Government.
During this great war Mihawk will fight against Zoro as a Shichibukai working for the Government.
Mihawk is the greatest Swordsman in the World. Having him as Zoro's final opponent is the only thing I see happening, any other opponent would not have enough hype or build up that Mihawks been given to serve such an ending to Zoro's dream.
Also not sure if this was in the anime only but Shiryuu was shown to be paired up against Ben Beakman.
Shiryuu will go down by Zoro but it won't be for the title of the best swordsmen. It will probably be for Luffy's sake to have him become the Pirate King, before the Great War. -
Obviously Shanks is gonna die by Blackbeard is pretty much a dead give away already. We've been given enough foreshadowing of this happening already.
However, Mihawk losing to Shiryuu will not happen imo.
Reasons are that.
Mihawk once told Zoro at Baratie that he will remain at the top and wait for him.You're excuse of why Shanks and not Mihawk, falls flat. The resons you gave for Mihawk and Zoro can be said about Shanks and Luffy. Its been said and repeated at end of war, that Luffy will meet Shanks.
So if its possible that the promise between Luffy & Shanks will not happen due to BB killing Shanks, then its possible for Mihawk to die as well.personally, I think that both Shanks & Mihawk will live enough to reunite with the youths they've influenced= Luffy (by inspiration) and Zoro (by goal of surpassing & 2 yrs of training)
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You're excuse of why Shanks and not Mihawk, falls flat. The resons you gave for Mihawk and Zoro can be said about Shanks and Luffy. Its been said and repeated at end of war, that Luffy will meet Shanks.
So if its possible that the promise between Luffy & Shanks will not happen due to BB killing Shanks, then its possible for Mihawk to die as well.personally, I think that both Shanks & Mihawk will live enough to reunite with the youths they've influenced= Luffy (by inspiration) and Zoro (by goal of surpassing & 2 yrs of training)
Nope, My reason is sound.
Luffy will meet Shanks and return the Strawhat to him as a great pirate that he promised Shanks to become.
Than after Shanks is killed by Blackbeard, Luffy and crew will defeat BB Pirates and will then have surpassed Shanks and his crew, Which is Luffy's other promise. Probably getting back the Strawhat from Blackbeard who will have kept it as a memento after killing Shanks.We are all just theorizing off course, noting is certain. But I just don't see Zoro's last battle being with anyone else other than Mihawk, due to reasons i mentioned.
We can be Certain that Luffy will become Pirate King before the Great War, due to Whitebeards final words.
I don't see Blackbeard being a huge threat to Luffy any longer when Luffy will have become the Pirate King.
Most probably Luffy will fight Blackbeard On Raftel or near it. The victor will be known around the world as the Pirate King.
The Pirate King than fights the World Government with the help off allied nations, pirates, and revolutionaries.
During this event Mihawk still being Strongest Swordsman will be the only opponent left who stands in the way of Zoro and his final achievement.
I see this theory of mine being more likely correct then Mihawk losing to Shiryuu. -
However, Mihawk losing to Shiryuu will not happen imo.
Reasons are that.
Mihawk once told Zoro at Baratie that he will remain at the top and wait for him.
Blackbeard pirates will most likely be defeated before the great war against the World Government.
During this great war Mihawk will fight against Zoro as a Shichibukai working for the Government.
Mihawk is the greatest Swordsman in the World. Having him as Zoro's final opponent is the only thing I see happening, any other opponent would not have enough hype or build up that Mihawks been given to serve such an ending to Zoro's dream.
Also not sure if this was in the anime only but Shiryuu was shown to be paired up against Ben Beakman.
Shiryuu will go down by Zoro but it won't be for the title of the best swordsmen. It will probably be for Luffy's sake to have him become the Pirate King, before the Great War.1. Your reason has been contradicted right here. "You've found something greater than your own ambition."
2.I do agree it's a high possibility, but wouldn't it be more resounding if Zoro final enemy be the one who defeated Mihawk and took his title away from him? I mean I think Mihawk is pretty boring final enemy since he isn't really a villain and even trained the guy who would supposedly beat him. I think Zoro has abandoned his dream in favor of helping Luffy, which why I think Shiriyuu killing Mihawk will be better serve to reignite Zoro's ambition to be the best swordsmen. I personally thinking Mihawk being defeated by a guy he trained is really lame and personally view it as bad writing. If anything I think Shiryuu becoming Zoro's archenemy by killing his teacher who trained him is much more compelling than Zoro's achenemy being a government lackey who trained him.
3. The anime is non-canon really, doesn't have any bearing on the manga.
4. I also somewhat agree, but really I think if Mihawk was killed or defeated it would add a more interesting layer to Zoro's motivation. I dunno I think Mihawk is less interesting as a final boss than Shiriyuu.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
You're excuse of why Shanks and not Mihawk, falls flat. The resons you gave for Mihawk and Zoro can be said about Shanks and Luffy. Its been said and repeated at end of war, that Luffy will meet Shanks.
So if its possible that the promise between Luffy & Shanks will not happen due to BB killing Shanks, then its possible for Mihawk to die as well.personally, I think that both Shanks & Mihawk will live enough to reunite with the youths they've influenced= Luffy (by inspiration) and Zoro (by goal of surpassing & 2 yrs of training)
The promise between Shanks and Luffy will be kept. However before Shanks dies he tells Luffy to keep the hat, congratulating him for becoming a great pirate which after that the hat becomes a memento of his late idol to Luffy kinda like the straw hat to Shanks after Roger died rather than a temporary holding item for Luffy to return to Shanks. The straw hat will defiantly not go back to Shanks permeantekly , Luffy WILL keep the hat after Shanks kicks it.
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I knew it. Croc was a girl before Iva
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Okay, can someone give me the reason as to why people think crocodile was girl? I still don't get the theory.
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I agree with blader in this case that Shanks will die at the hands of Blackbeard, but Mihawk is Zoro's opponent. The thing is, Luffy can surpass Shanks, they can meet up and go through all of that, and Shanks can die afterwards. But Zoro and Mihawk's inevitable clash is just that, a clash, and one that both are looking forward to. Shanks was never set up to be a serious "opponent" as much as a friendly rival target to surpass.
It's also entirely set up for Blackbeard's and Shanks's crews to clash. There's no setup whatsoever for Mihawk to clash with them that I can identify.
As for who Zoro would fight first? I don't know, and I'm not sure it matters much.
Okay, can someone give me the reason as to why people think crocodile was girl? I still don't get the theory.
It really all comes down to Iva knowing Croc's secret that he can't allow to be known.
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Nope, My reason is sound.
Luffy will meet Shanks and return the Strawhat to him as a great pirate that he promised Shanks to become.To be honest, I think it's more likely that Shanks will be killed and Luffy will return the straw hat by putting it on his grave stone once he's a great pirate.
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I think that in the epilogue of the story, we'll see Luffy give the straw hat to his son, or a small child that he'll think will be the next great pirate or pirate king.
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It really all comes down to Iva knowing Croc's secret that he can't allow to be known.
Well, there's a couple other loose ideas along with it.
Croc had the opportunity of being shown off a long time ago, instead, Oda showed the back of Croc's head.
Croc has a pretty unusual relationship with Whitebeard. There seems to be a level of respect and dislike. Note that all of Whitebeard's crew are "Sons".
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Well, there's a couple other loose ideas along with it.
Croc had the opportunity of being shown off a long time ago, instead, Oda showed the back of Croc's head.
Croc has a pretty unusual relationship with Whitebeard. There seems to be a level of respect and dislike. Note that all of Whitebeard's crew are "Sons".
Those things just encourage people to press the theory. A little ambiguity with no hint of supporting evidence. Without Ivankov's comments those things would never draw such association to "hey, maybe Croc was a girl." The theory literally comes down to that one single interaction between Croc and Iva in Impel Down.
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Those things just encourage people to press the theory. A little ambiguity with no hint of supporting evidence. Without Ivankov's comments those things would never draw such association to "hey, maybe Croc was a girl." The theory literally comes down to that one single interaction between Croc and Iva in Impel Down.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's like, firm, but there's enough dangling here to make a fair assumption and not seem like a Perona will join crackpot.
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I agree with blader in this case that Shanks will die at the hands of Blackbeard, but Mihawk is Zoro's opponent. The thing is, Luffy can surpass Shanks, they can meet up and go through all of that, and Shanks can die afterwards. But Zoro and Mihawk's inevitable clash is just that, a clash, and one that both are looking forward to. Shanks was never set up to be a serious "opponent" as much as a friendly rival target to surpass.
It's also entirely set up for Blackbeard's and Shanks's crews to clash. There's no setup whatsoever for Mihawk to clash with them that I can identify.
.However, wouldn't it be more interesting if the final enemy Zoro fights is the right hand man of Luffy's greatest enemy, who killed Zoro's teacher former goal? I mean I don't even see Mihawk as an Zoror's enemy at this point, I mean he even trained the guy. In my view, if Zoro achieved his goal by defeating his former mentor that he sacrificed his pride to, so he can beg him to train him that would be really lame.
It'd be waaaay more interesting and serve the story very well if Zoro took the title of World's greatest swordsmen from Shiriyuu because it adds more dimension to Zoro's motivation, and actually makes more sense to me on a narrative level.
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However, wouldn't it be more interesting if the final enemy Zoro fights is the right hand man of Luffy's greatest enemy, who killed Zoro's teacher former goal? I mean I don't even see Mihawk as an Zoror's enemy at this point, I mean he even trained the guy. In my view, if Zoro achieved his goal by defeating his former mentor that he sacrificed his pride to, so he can beg him to train him that would be really lame.
It'd be waaaay more interesting and serve the story very well if Zoro took the title of World's greatest swordsmen from Shiriyuu because it adds more dimension to Zoro's motivation, and actually makes more sense to me on a narrative level.
Zoro vs Mihawk has been foreshadowed and promised since East Blue. You want Oda to
trollrob us of that just to add a little extra motivation to a guy Zoro's going to fight anyway in an arc that will already be filled with emotion and motivation (Ace/Whitebeard/Shanks) regardless? Turn Shiliew into a cheap imitation of Blackbeard by using Mihawk who doesn't pull the same sort of emotional weight as any of the others? Let's not forget that Zoro probably has the least emotional fights of anyone in the entire crew. It's in his character to stay emotionally centered and not lose his cool.It'd be one thing if either Mihawk or Zoro didn't really want to fight, but it's something both characters seem to be looking forward to. And Mihawk would probably even lose with a smile on his face. It's a fight that has great potential depending on how it's written. Oda likes to do a lot of things in his story once. And if he's going to seriously script a case in which a crew member overtakes his mentor, this is it. Finally, this is a case of becoming the strongest swordsman in the world, and Mihawk is purely that. Nothing more and nothing less. Jinbe's exposition of Blackbeard's actions since the timeskip lead us to believe that Shiliew will not only be a great swordsman, but will have a very strong fruit power on top of it. His strength will likely extend beyond the boundaries of pure swordsmanship, unlike Zoro and Mihawk.
Just how far are we going to take this idea, anyway? Is Blackbeard going to find One Piece first and be named Pirate King so that Luffy has to take the title from him? Maybe then in the process Sanji's opponent can poison All Blue and piss him off, while Robin's opponent starts chipping letters off of the Rio Poneglyph for fun. Then Franky's opponent can break the Sunny in half and San Juan Wolf can kill Laboon and wear his head as a hat in order to instigate Brook. Sure, such ideas would put a serious damper on things, but boy the story would be waaaay more interesting and emotional, while adding to the crew's motivation!
Is it impossible? No, not really. I just find the idea to be unlikely, despite the fact that I seriously entertained the idea for a while around the timeskip. It's one of those things that seemed cool at first glance but didn't hold up for me under closer analysis. Kinda like the idea of Hancock joining the crew back during Impel Down.
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Zoro vs Mihawk has been foreshadowed and promised since East Blue. You want Oda to
trollrob us of that just to add a little extra motivation to a guy Zoro's going to fight anyway in an arc that will already be filled with emotion and motivation (Ace/Whitebeard/Shanks) regardless? Turn Shiliew into a cheap imitation of Blackbeard by using Mihawk who doesn't pull the same sort of emotional weight as any of the others? Let's not forget that Zoro probably has the least emotional fights of anyone in the entire crew. It's in his character to stay emotionally centered and not lose his cool.It's not my fault Mihawk is a boring character. I dunno, I think Oda more or less made the point that Zoro abandon that ambition in favor of helping Luffy accomplish his dream. I would be more in line with your thinking had Zoro basically not had begged Mihawk to train him solidifying to me this won't be the case anymore.
It'd be one thing if either Mihawk or Zoro didn't really want to fight, but it's something both characters seem to be looking forward to. And Mihawk would probably even lose with a smile on his face. It's a fight that has great potential depending on how it's written. Oda likes to do a lot of things in his story once. And if he's going to seriously script a case in which a crew member overtakes his mentor, this is it. Finally, this is a case of becoming the strongest swordsman in the world, and Mihawk is purely that. Nothing more and nothing less. Jinbe's exposition of Blackbeard's actions since the timeskip lead us to believe that Shiliew will not only be a great swordsman, but will have a very strong fruit power on top of it. His strength will likely extend beyond the boundaries of pure swordsmanship, unlike Zoro and Mihawk.
Really? Because I think what Zoro did at the very end of Part 1 when he begged Mihawk to train him which to me sends home the message this is no longer really the case. Mihawk is now disappointed with Zoro with his sudden decision but commends him for his boldness for doing this for the sake of Luffy. I dunno, you are right though. Zoro will defeat Mihawk in the end, I just have to accept that no matter how much I think it'd be lame at this point.
just look how lame it's going to be.
"MIHAWK IS BEATEN BY THE GUY WHO BEGGED HIM TO TRAIN HIM AND HE DID". "I dunno….I don't think I feel that's good writing, but it most likely be the direction Oda takes but I'm not down with it.
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It's not my fault Mihawk is a boring character. I dunno, I think Oda more or less made the point that Zoro abandon that ambition in favor of helping Luffy accomplish his dream. I would be more in line with your thinking had Zoro basically not had begged Mihawk to train him solidifying to me this won't be the case anymore.
It's Oda's fault, and I'm sure he realizes it. Zoro never abandoned his ambition. He just placed it 2nd on his priority list.
If there's one thing that baffles me about this forum, it's how easily Zoro's own words are discounted. It's becoming a rather disturbing trend, as if he's become untrustworthy somehow. Zoro asked Mihawk for training for the very purpose of being able to surpass him. Zoro aims to help Luffy specifically by becoming the best swordsman in the world at this point, for both of their sakes.
Really? Because I think what Zoro did at the very end of Part 1 when he begged Mihawk to train him which to me sends home the message this is no longer really the case. Mihawk is now disappointed with Zoro with his sudden decision but commends him for his boldness for doing this for the sake of Luffy. I dunno, you are right though. Zoro will defeat Mihawk in the end, I just have to accept that no matter how much I think it'd be lame at this point.
just look how lame it's going to be.
"MIHAWK IS BEATEN BY THE GUY WHO BEGGED HIM TO TRAIN HIM AND HE DID". "I dunno….I don't think I feel that's good writing, but it most likely be the direction Oda takes but I'm not down with it.
It's clear that Oda hasn't turned a blind eye to your concerns, because he had Mihawk spell them out specifically in that same chapter. So we know that it's recognized by the author as a concern and will therefore be addressed.
The aspect I've always looked to as an answer to these concerns are what exactly happened with Zoro's eye. My take on it is that it was used at the price for Zoro to retain his pride. Something along the lines of "in exchange for the shame of having to ask for your help, I'll defeat your two hawk eyes with only one of my own." I don't believe this is the only possible answer, but I do think it provides a good example of how these issues can be resolved without simply abandoning the fight that's been hyped since East Blue.
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Just how far are we going to take this idea, anyway? Is Blackbeard going to find One Piece first and be named Pirate King so that Luffy has to take the title from him? Maybe then in the process Sanji's opponent can poison All Blue and piss him off, while Robin's opponent starts chipping letters off of the Rio Poneglyph for fun.
I began to snicker at this point
Then Franky's opponent can break the Sunny in half and San Juan Wolf can kill Laboon and wear his head as a hat in order to instigate Brook.
I uncontrollably laughed out loud at these last two comments. Laboon being mercilessly killed like that? LOL, that event would help Oda reach the highest heights of Troll Mountain.
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I began to snicker at this point
I uncontrollably laughed out loud at these last two comments. Laboon being mercilessly killed like that? LOL, that event would help Oda reach the highest heights of Troll Mountain.
It'd definitely make for a very emotional ending for both Sunny and Laboon to be defeated that way, but I do agree, that happening in actuality would be.. well depressing. Just imagine the tears that would come out of Sunny being ripped piece by piece in front of Franky's eyes when he is in a position where he can't stop his opponent. Laboon too would be a great emotional piece, but like you said if poorly done, it'd simply be horrendous trolling and I'd slap someone if it ended badly. I don't like the idea of either Sunny or Laboon being used that way, but if it happened, the tears would be flowing.
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Considering the ridulously high bountys in the new world and the lack of bounty hunters in 'Paradise'. I think there will be an arc based on the strawhats getting hunted by a professional crew of new world bounty hunters.
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One Piece is a I O U coupon :ninja:
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Dofla arc will have a war to see who gets on the top of the food chain of the underworld of one piece between him and croc (with a new crew from the new world besides Daz )
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Nope, My reason is sound.
Luffy will meet Shanks and return the Strawhat to him as a great pirate that he promised Shanks to become.
Than after Shanks is killed by Blackbeard, Luffy and crew will defeat BB Pirates and will then have surpassed Shanks and his crew, Which is Luffy's other promise. Probably getting back the Strawhat from Blackbeard who will have kept it as a memento after killing Shanks.We are all just theorizing off course, noting is certain. But I just don't see Zoro's last battle being with anyone else other than Mihawk, due to reasons i mentioned.
We can be Certain that Luffy will become Pirate King before the Great War, due to Whitebeards final words.
I don't see Blackbeard being a huge threat to Luffy any longer when Luffy will have become the Pirate King.
Most probably Luffy will fight Blackbeard On Raftel or near it. The victor will be known around the world as the Pirate King.
The Pirate King than fights the World Government with the help off allied nations, pirates, and revolutionaries.
During this event Mihawk still being Strongest Swordsman will be the only opponent left who stands in the way of Zoro and his final achievement.
I see this theory of mine being more likely correct then Mihawk losing to Shiryuu.or zoro will fight mihawk before the strawhats encounter the blackbeard pirates and zoro will wins against mihawk….but because he is zoro's mentor, zoro will spare mihawk's life like mihawk spared his.
then mihawk will encounter shiryuu (with a diamond fruit from jozu: my theory) and will kill mihawk.
this will fuel zoro's vengeance to shiryuu when strawhats and blackbeard pirates clash.
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The promise between Shanks and Luffy will be kept. However before Shanks dies he tells Luffy to keep the hat, congratulating him for becoming a great pirate which after that the hat becomes a memento of his late idol to Luffy kinda like the straw hat to Shanks after Roger died rather than a temporary holding item for Luffy to return to Shanks. The straw hat will defiantly not go back to Shanks permeantekly , Luffy WILL keep the hat after Shanks kicks it.
exactly the way i predicted it.
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or zoro will fight mihawk before the strawhats encounter the blackbeard pirates and zoro will wins against mihawk….but because he is zoro's mentor, zoro will spare mihawk's life like mihawk spared his.
then mihawk will encounter shiryuu (with a diamond fruit from jozu: my theory) and will kill mihawk.
this will fuel zoro's vengeance to shiryuu when strawhats and blackbeard pirates clash.
I think your underestimating Mihawk. What we saw of Mihawk and Doflamingo from the war is a water down version on whats to come in the future from these two.
Again this topic will be derailed into power levels if we continue further but after stating a few things I'll try my best to avoid that.
Mihawk is the strongest Swordsman like it or not. Meaning his better than Shanks, Rayliegh, Bogart or any swordsman.
Yes, Shanks is a Swordsman. Mihawks old rivalry with Shanks wouldn't have been there if he wasn't.
I'm sure many will jump at me for this and disagree with it. So I'm not gonna reply to this power level thing.The main problem I see with your theory is what brings Shiryuu to Mihawk?
I see there being no hints or foreshadowing of a Clash between Mihawk and Shiryuu.
If we get a panel of Shiryuu expressing a thought of fighting stronger "Swordsman" then I'm all in with Shiryuu beating Mihawk, till then I see this possibility unlikely.
Having Mihawk who is part of a system that is one of the 3 most powerful organization in the world lending a helping hand to Shanks is over kill.
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I think your underestimating Mihawk. What we saw of Mihawk and Doflamingo from the war is a water down version on whats to come in the future from these two.
Again this topic will be derailed into power levels if we continue further but after stating a few things I'll try my best to avoid that.
Mihawk is the strongest Swordsman like it or not. Meaning his better than Shanks, Rayliegh, Bogart or any swordsman.
Yes, Shanks is a Swordsman. Mihawks old rivalry with Shanks wouldn't have been there if he wasn't.
I'm sure many of will jump at me for this and disagree with it. So I'm not gonna reply to this power level thing.The main problem I see with your theory is what brings Shiryuu to Mihawk?
I see there being no hints or foreshadowing of a Clash between Mihawk and Shiryuu.
If we get a panel of Shiryuu expressing a thought of fighting stronger "Swordsman" then I'm all in with Shiryuu beating Mihawk, till then I see this possibility unlikely.
Having Mihawk who is part of a system that is one of the 3 most powerful organization in the world lending a helping hand to Shanks is over kill.
Blackbeard will have it tough enough fighting Shanks and his crew alone.im just sayin, mihawk and shanks= close friends/rivals….blackbeard pirates = enemies of redhaired pirates.
and yeah, i dont doubt that that mihwk is the strongest, blackbeard pirates knows how to play dirty thats why im throwing out a guess of shiryuu acquiring jozu's fruit.(strength levels is not the be all in the series)
mihawk cannot cut diamond....plus if zoro beats shiryuu (with a diamond fruit) then he clearly surpassed mihawk in that term by cutting diamond as well.
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im just sayin, mihawk and shanks= close friends/rivals….blackbeard pirates = enemies of redhaired pirates.
and yeah, i dont doubt that that mihwk is the strongest, blackbeard pirates knows how to play dirty thats why im throwing out a guess of shiryuu acquiring jozu's fruit.(strength levels is not the be all in the series)
mihawk cannot cut diamond....plus if zoro beats shiryuu (with a diamond fruit) then he clearly surpassed mihawk in that term by cutting diamond as well.
Ok, so maybe Mihawk and Shanks are having there meetings they often have and Blackbeard shows up with over powered devil fruits and defeats Shanks, his crew, and Mihawk with additional dirty treats. It's a possibility….
I'm just not sold on it till I see more from Shiryuu.Zoro cutting diamond is forshadowed so I'm all up for it. I'd agree with your theory if only we had seen more from Shiryuu.
As far as Mihawk not being able to cut diamond goes, I disagree. I don't want to go into an in depth discussion about this. So I'll leave it at that.
You do have a greater advantage of your claim than I, about Mihawks inability to cut diamond due to what is shown and I'll be only defending him based on speculation so... I'll just waive my white flag to you, but still disagree. -
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Ok, so maybe Mihawk and Shanks are having there meetings they often have and Blackbeard shows up with over powered devil fruits and defeats Shanks, his crew, and Mihawk with additional dirty treats. It's a possibility….
I'm just not sold on it till I see more from Shiryuu.Zoro cutting diamond is forshadowed so I'm all up for it. I'd agree with your theory if only we had seen more from Shiryuu.
As far as Mihawk not being able to cut diamond goes, I disagree. I don't want to go into an in depth discussion about this. So I'll leave it at that.
You do have a greater advantage of your claim than I, about Mihawks inability to cut diamond due to what is shown and I'll be only defending him based on speculation so... I'll just waive my white flag to you, but still disagree.i like your idea…though im thinking something like, the strawhats pirates nearing raftel, the blackbeard pirates got the dirty idea of ambushing the crew while on their way to raftel to 1. know where raftel is and 2. to stop the strawhats.
so this is where redhaired pirates and mihawk come into play, they intercept the blackbeard pirates which allow the strawhats to enter raftel and acquire one piece.
of course, shanks and mihawks dies and luffy encounters him (both half alive) to return the hat, luffy and zoro would discover its the blackbeards who killed them and decides to take vengeance on them....which is quite dandy because blackbeard is just waiting to stole one piece from him.
of course after acquiring one piece and unlocking void history and defeating the blackbeard pirates, the next step is to team up with dragon and conquer the marijoies and WG (against akainu and gorousei)
****the mihawk cant cut diamond part was shown when his attack cant penetrate jozu's defense. (maybe there's additional CoA too but who knows)
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Dofla arc will have a war to see who gets on the top of the food chain of the underworld of one piece between him and croc (with a new crew from the new world besides Daz )
I think the Brokers will be shown either before or after PH arc since they are still watching the events unfold on the Island.
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Smoker is related to Luffy.
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Vegapunk: A genius whose live endeavors have contributed to new discoveries and advancement to both civilizations AND the military.
While I wanna saw that Vegapunk was based off of Albert Einstein, Vegapunk's "rivalry" with Caesar Clown resembles that of Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison.
Caesar Clown's antics resemble Batman's Joker. Is scientific side resembles Thomas Edison, who could never quite match up to the GREATNESS of Nikola Tesla -
Vegapunk: A genius whose live endeavors have contributed to new discoveries and advancement to both civilizations AND the military.
While I wanna saw that Vegapunk was based off of Albert Einstein, Vegapunk's "rivalry" with Caesar Clown resembles that of Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison.
Caesar Clown's antics resemble Batman's Joker. Is scientific side resembles Thomas Edison, who could never quite match up to the GREATNESS of Nikola TeslaAnd ?
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Vegapunk: A genius whose live endeavors have contributed to new discoveries and advancement to both civilizations AND the military.
While I wanna saw that Vegapunk was based off of Albert Einstein, Vegapunk's "rivalry" with Caesar Clown resembles that of Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison.
Caesar Clown's antics resemble Batman's Joker. Is scientific side resembles Thomas Edison, who could never quite match up to the GREATNESS of Nikola TeslaThe problem with this analogy is that Edison is much more famous and well-known than Tesla.
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The problem with this analogy is that Edison is much more famous and well-known than Tesla.
You would be surprised, a lot of people know about Tesla.
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The problem with the analogy is that Caesar and Edison have basically nothing in common whatsoever.
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@Foxy:
You would be surprised, a lot of people know about Tesla.
I know. But the amount of people that know about Edison is much higher.
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The problem with the analogy is that Caesar and Edison have basically nothing in common whatsoever.
While Edison can be awarded with his discoveries such as the incandescent light bulb, over all he could never match up to Tesla's (Vegapunk) works. The two were also in a rivalry over which was the better and more secured source of electric current. Tesla (Vegapunk) supported AC while Edison (Caesar) supported DC. Edison was a bit more "malicious" in his campaigning against Tesla's AC current.
So due to Edison's rivalry with a peer scientist who was better than him, a long with his "malicious" ways of campaigning this is why I compared Edison's character to Caeser's.
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While Edison can be awarded with his discoveries such as the incandescent light bulb, over all he could never match up to Tesla's (Vegapunk) works. The two were also in a rivalry over which was the better and more secured source of electric current. Tesla (Vegapunk) supported AC while Edison (Caesar) supported DC. Edison was a bit more "malicious" in his campaigning against Tesla's AC current.
So due to Edison's rivalry with a peer scientist who was better than him, a long with his "malicious" ways of campaigning this is why I compared Edison's character to Caeser's.
Yeah, all you have is the fact that they're scientists and rivals, with nothing beyond that. Was Edison evil? Did he invent deadly gasses or weapons of mass destruction? Did he experiment on humans? Anything at all that would make anyone think that Caesar was modeled after him in any fashion? Hell, you may as well compare them to Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz. Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller are less notorious but would actually make sense because they worked on the Manhattan project.
But there's nothing similar about Edison and Caesar that I can see beyond them each having a scientific rival.
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Yeah, all you have is the fact that they're scientists and rivals, with nothing beyond that. Was Edison evil? Did he invent deadly gasses or weapons of mass destruction? Did he experiment on humans? Anything at all that would make anyone think that Caesar was modeled after him in any fashion? Hell, you may as well compare them to Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz. Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller are less notorious but would actually make sense because they worked on the Manhattan project.
But there's nothing similar about Edison and Caesar that I can see beyond them each having a scientific rival.
Edison electrocuted animals publicly. That's kinda evil. Actually… that is incredibly evil
Here's a footage of him electrocuting an elephant to death.
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Edison electrocuted animals publicly. That's kinda evil. Actually… that is incredibly evil
Here's a footage of him electrocuting an elephant to death.
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I don't really know what the status of animal rights was back then, so it's hard to comment on that with any measure of certainty. We generally judge peoples' actions by the standards of the society they live in, though.
Even still, that's really not very much at all to compare Caesar to. I'd feel much more confident in an argument that he's based on some fictional mad scientist or a scientist from the far East. I'm sure Japan has its own history in these things, but I'm relatively ignorant of it.
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On the topic of who CC may have been modeled after; I once saw this documentary on warfare and it gave a small focus to Fritz Haber, who was known as the Grandfather of Chemical Weaponry. Now, that itself isn't really much to go on, but the documentary also said that he was a friend of Albert Einstein and when Haber started experimenting on people with deadly gasses, Einstein spoke out against him and broke their friendship. This kind of reminded me of how Vegapunk denounced CC's work recently in the manga. Well, I guess that's not much to go on either, but it's still kind of interesting to me.
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On the topic of who CC may have been modeled after; I once saw this documentary on warfare and it gave a small focus to Fritz Haber, who was known as the Grandfather of Chemical Weaponry. Now, that itself isn't really much to go on, but the documentary also said that he was a friend of Albert Einstein and when Haber started experimenting on people with deadly gasses, Einstein spoke out against him and broke their friendship. This kind of reminded me of how Vegapunk denounced CC's work recently in the manga. Well, I guess that's not much to go on either, but it's still kind of interesting to me.
Actually, this theory blows my "Edison and Tesla" theory right out the water.
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On the topic of who CC may have been modeled after; I once saw this documentary on warfare and it gave a small focus to Fritz Haber, who was known as the Grandfather of Chemical Weaponry. Now, that itself isn't really much to go on, but the documentary also said that he was a friend of Albert Einstein and when Haber started experimenting on people with deadly gasses, Einstein spoke out against him and broke their friendship. This kind of reminded me of how Vegapunk denounced CC's work recently in the manga. Well, I guess that's not much to go on either, but it's still kind of interesting to me.
I'm unfamiliar with that guy, but the comparisons make such an inspiration very plausible. Good call.
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I know. But the amount of people that know about Edison is much higher.
That's only true in the U.S. I'm sure that Tesla is more well known internationally.
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@Foxy:
That's only true in the U.S. I'm sure that Tesla is more well known internationally.
I don´t know where you come from but in Germany for example 90%of the people would not even know both of them and the 10% rather know Edison than Tesla.
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Friend of mine figured something awesome out… you know that when a devil fruit user passes on, it'll pass on into any nearby fruits, as seen with the axotl df (Smiley's) an that basket of apples?
What if Blackbeard and his crew know? I mean, Doc Q is always carrying around a basket of apples... -
I know. But the amount of people that know about Edison is much higher.
Because more people use the all so famous "bulb" while not too many people would associate Tesla with the unit of measurement.
@ Zachri. The BB crew sure is Lucky that Devil fruits come with patterns. Otherwise they would end up guessing which one is the DF , which one the dud and pray not to take a bite from the TNT apple.
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Because more people use the all so famous "bulb" while not too many people would associate Tesla with the unit of measurement.
@ Zachri. The BB crew sure is Lucky that Devil fruits come with patterns. Otherwise they would end up guessing which one is the DF , which one the dud and pray not to take a bite from the TNT apple.
Maybe they be TNT so no one can steal them, and only BB can eat them, and something about explosive apples means he is able to eat as many dfs as he wants