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Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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@Cockycent I seem to remember her saying that all the fat slipped off her.
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@Cockycent Well, they were the east blue paramecia. Then we got to the grand line and paramecia became everything that wasn't a logia or zoan.
So Luffy pretty much still is a parameria outside of the awakening and even then, the fruit's awakening has a paramecia aspect to it.
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@danie That's part of what made me start to think about this.
Oda unloaded I think like 6 Mythical Zoans in Wano. A few of them were using abilities w/o transforming into beast or hybrid.
Also, what is their hybrid and beast form? Sengoku and Marco leave me curious, even tho I think Marcos has at least show just his beast form.
With most of the Human fruits being Mythical, is this a set up for Chopper to be Mythical as well? He can be Ancient or just normal as well. His hybrid form is what he's in for the most part.
Then, if that is Awakening for Luffy, what is his beast and hybrid? Do Mythical all have a beast and hybrid form anyway.
I'm aware that many awaited Awakening Zoans in Wano, but from what I see, we only got Nika. The jail Zoans seem to be incomplete to an extent.
That lead me back to the question of, was Luffy always meant to be Mythical and if not, when was it decided.
A lot for Oda to answer, but he may not feel like going into it.
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Been thinking about Bonney and Kuma. Either Bonney was a family member from Kuma or she was a Celestial and met Kuma that was still a King at that time during Levely. Idk what kind of relationship they had but clearly not a romance lol. There has to be something else that Bonney aimed when she came to Mary Geoise that prolly related to her past life being one of the world noble..
A weirdo indeed. You don't wanna know me, dear.
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What i'm looking forward to in this arc is what some have already pondered. Not only can "science" cancel out Haki and DF, but also is there a science to DF and Haki? Well, of course there is, but is there an even more thought out way of viewing them than already explained.
For example, something i've thought about concerning Poneglyphs had escaped me for a while. Then, Oda had Tamago hit me with "there's 30 Poneglyphs" and i'm like oh wow I forgot that was something I cared for at some point.
I never really invested in the Oda quote about VP revealing things concerning DFs. Since the Koby conversation i've been sold on meeting him and exploring his findings. Lineage factor, who was in MADS, why is tampering with behavior common among some of MADS work, motivations and origins.
Reminds me of my Red Hair Pirates thread on a certain deceased forum. BB Pirates = rare DF, Beast Pirates = zoans, BM Pirates = food theme, so what might Shanks crew be themed with? I thought they would be a non DF crew with interesting weapons and abilities. I remember some brought up bio-feedback for Lucky and sea stone bullets.
There was this 1 user that stated that DF were the end all be all.
Many disagreed with him and went back and forth. I always think of that thread when some get worked up over "special Haki" and "Nika Fruit". Even if Franky and Nami never come across Haki or DF in the future, I see them as formidable. Zeus-tact being a product of DF possibilities is a cool mixture. Sanji combining science with Haki was cool to watch too.
As tough as Zoro is, there is a limit to his speed and breathing underwater. Or even dealing with Sea Stone for anyone. I really liked when Robin used FM Karate. Kinda unfair to go against Haki and DF with a blanket term like science to cover everything from natural abilities like Electro, FM jujutsu/karate, ignite to cyborgs, plant life, etc but idc. You can't spend forever on top. Science will prevail.
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I always liked this one. Luffy's mother was a Celestial Dragon, and her and Dragons union will be like a play on Romeo and Juliet.
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@Lizzy
I do also think they are related. At the very least they are from the same place. Kuma was the king of Sorbet Kingdom in South Blue and we know that Bonney also comes from South Blue and on top of that the island's name is food related so it feels quite plausible. -
Bakkin is probably Silver Axe or connected in some other way to that character.
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Dragon could have been part of the Goa royal family. And they tried to marry him off to a Celestial Dragon to gain prestige. Initially Dragon would have hated the idea, but he ends up falling in love with his arranged bride. When she dies he vows to destroy the Celestial Dragons system.
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@Chams-0 So he's not really Garp's son? It would work better if Luffy's mom was the one who was part of Goa Royalty. Dragon should be an ex marine who just couldn't stand to serve the celestial dragons!
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Dragon could be royalty. We don’t know who his mom is either.
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Kaido might have been part of royalty at one point, possibly a king.
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@Zik said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
Dragon could be royalty. We don’t know who his mom is either.
Garp and a princess? Yeah, I can see that.
Dragon being an ex marine or cipher pol agent is very likely though considering he's acquainted with Vegapunk. Not to mention being Garp's son.
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This shot of Gear 5 hair reminded me of a devil's fruit just now. Something's up...
By the way, feel free to make a v3 thread soon.
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Kozuki Sukiyaki should teach Momo how to read and write the Poneglyphs. Since it is a skill of the Kozuki clan, passed on for generations. If Oden could do it, then it means his father taught him. And Oden never taught Momo (kind of a mistake, since he knew Orochi was a threat)
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What would happen if Vegapunk studied Brook’s devil fruit? Could he figure out immortality itself?
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Kuma's known timeline:
- 47 years ago: Kuma is born
- 38 y.a.: God Valley Incident. (Kuma is freed?)
- ???: Became King of Sorbet.
- ???: (Supposedly) Ousted by his own people, became known as "The Tyrant" (Note: This may have happened before or after 24 y.a., we don't know yet)
- 24 y.a.: Roger's execution
- 24 y.a. (supposedly): Bonney is born
- 22 y.a.: Ohara incident
- 21-22 y.a. (within one year after the Ohara Incident): Dragon, Kuma and Ivankov form the Revolutionary Army
- 15 y.a.: Fisher Tiger climbs the Red Line and raids Mary Geoise (I mention this to show it wasn't then that Kuma escaped the Celestial Dragons)
- 12 y.a.: Kuma, Dragon and Ivankov rescue people from Gray Terminal.
- ???: Kuma is captured. (Bonney captured too?)
- ???: Dr Vegapunk takes interest in Kuma. Kuma becomes a Warlord.
- ???: Jewelry Bonney escapes the government.
- 2 y.a.: Kuma becomes mindless; protects the Sunny for two years
I've tried to gather more facts about him, but couldn't get any dates.
Speculation:
- Kuma was a slave in God Valley and escaped when Rocks attacked.
- He eventually ended up in Sorbet, South Blue, married into the Jewelry royal family.
- He became king, but his identity was discovered by the government
- WG spun the "Tyrant" lie to justify attacking Sorbet
- Kuma escaped to the seas as a Pirate, bringing a young Bonney with him.
- He then founded the Revolutionaries with Dragon and Ivankov.
- Sabo and Bonney potentially knew each other way earlier than the recent Reverie.
- Bonney was captured and used as leverage for Kuma's surrender.
- After becoming Warlord, he kept obeying the government because Bonney was a prisoner.
- When Bonney escaped, Kuma felt he no longer had to obey the government, so he spared the Straw Hats in Thriller Bark and, later, helped them escape in Sabaody to become stronger
- He knew well the consequences of his actions, so as a final F.U. to the government he asked Vegapunk to program a final order so he would protect the Sunny.
- Kuma wished Bonney to not find out that her escape led him to lose his will, so she wouldn't blame herself.
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huh
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Hmmm... That white hair part actually has me considering this. Going to keep this in the back of my mind.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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@RomanceDawn said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
Hmmm... That white hair part actually has me considering this. Going to keep this in the back of my mind.
The white hair could go either way for me, but if Stussy and Weevil's origins are any indication, it could implicate Yamato as having a far more sinister origin than just being Kaido's child.
There's also the idea that Bonney is a failed clone of Big Mom, which Vegapunk later gave to Kuma, and may be the truth Vegapunk doesn't want Bonney to know. Though I'm not sure if Oda would actually do something ridiculous like that.
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My theory regarding Yamato's origins is that she's the daughter of Kaido and Kurozumi Higurashi. It would have been some kind of deal and the "only" way Kaido could have an heir.
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@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
My theory regarding Yamato's origins is that she's the daughter of Kaido and Kurozumi Higurashi. It would have been some kind of deal and the "only" way Kaido could have an heir.
Also interesting alternative theory. Higurashi was also dressed similar to Yamato with the mask when she first met Orochi. Higurashi also mentioned the idea of survival of the fittest 28 years ago to Kaido, so I suppose that could lead into Higurashi offering her young woman relative to Kaido, so that Kaido could have a son on the throne and Kurozumi could have a Kurozumi member on the throne after Orochi’s time too.
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That would make Kaido's killing of her a lot more disturbing then.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
That would make Kaido's killing of her a lot more disturbing then.
And the revelation of Tama being Kurozumi Tama makes me further wonder if Oda had Yamato's mom be a Kurozumi member too. If true, then it's interesting to think about how the fact of Yamato being the offspring of both Kaido and a Kurozumi member would affect Yamato's character in Wano.
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Has anyone made the connection between Im and Mim from Bone yet? Mim gives me big Red Line vibes. Also there are a lot of themes about dreams/dreaming surrounding her.
https://boneville.fandom.com/wiki/Mim#:~:text=Mim is the queen of,first dragon to be created.
I've done some research into the name Mim and it seems to come from the name Miriam. The name has many interesting meanings, "mutiny / rebellion / disobedience" "mistress or lady of the sea"(that last one's only source I've found so far is from a site called Mom.com so that one is a bit shaky). Also, interestingly, Miriam or Myriam seems to be the Hebrew Old Testament name for the Virgin Mary. Another biblical Miriam is Moses's sister who is associated with water and danced and played the drums while leading the Hebrew women across the Red Sea. I realize that this is a mess of ideas, but I really do think it's possible that Oda and Jeff Smith are taking from the same sources with Im and Mim. I'll do some more research and see if I can find any more connections later. -
@electricmastro Yeah I agree with you, I have a similar point of view on the matter.
Higurashi, with her "Mane Mane" fruit could copy anyone's appearance, so technically she could have taken the form of someone like Big Mom who has the same height of Kaido and then...well I don't need to describe the rest I think
I imagine that Kaido said "okay I'll come to your country if you can provide me weapons...but I also need a heir..you! Do it!" and Higurashi probably replied something like : "nikyokyokyo if that's the only price to pay, the pleasure is mine".
Kaido : "Let me warn you. This child will be mine, my heir, my son. You won't have any right over him, he won't know his mother, he will be an Oni"
Higurashi : "I've never liked kids anyways, not that I care, the Kurozumi family already has a successor ni kyo kyo"
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Weird thought, but did Enel actually destroy Bilka, or could it have been the WG and their super weapon?
I know McKinley said Enel did it, but we never see a flashback of it happening. And we saw that the arc Maxim was needed for Enel to build the power needed to destroy Skypiea. If he destroyed Bilka, why didn’t he already have the super weapon like Maxim at his disposal and have to build Maxim in Skypiea?
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@electricmastro Yeah I agree with you, I have a similar point of view on the matter.
Higurashi, with her "Mane Mane" fruit could copy anyone's appearance, so technically she could have taken the form of someone like Big Mom who has the same height of Kaido and then...well I don't need to describe the rest I thinkI imagine that Kaido said "okay I'll come to your country if you can provide me weapons...but I also need a heir..you! Do it!" and Higurashi probably replied something like : "nikyokyokyo if that's the only price to pay, the pleasure is mine".
Kaido : "Let me warn you. This child will be mine, my heir, my son. You won't have any right over him, he won't know his mother, he will be an Oni"
Higurashi : "I've never liked kids anyways, not that I care, the Kurozumi family already has a successor ni kyo kyo"
Higurashi prob approached Kaido with an offer for an heir that most people before never got the courage to do because Higurashi might have known him even before the Kurozumi and Beasts Pirates allied. Higurashi had copies of Shiki’s face and possibly even Stussy’s, so it could delve into this idea that either Higurashi was part of Rocks or was a close affiliate of them.
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@Gizmo I can't check it now, but didn't Enel himself say he used that giant lightning ball technique (I forgot the name) to destroy Bilka?
I couldn’t find anything like that. Maybe there is and I missed it. Might need a spot check if someone knows offhand if that was the case.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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@electricmastro said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@electricmastro Yeah I agree with you, I have a similar point of view on the matter.
Higurashi, with her "Mane Mane" fruit could copy anyone's appearance, so technically she could have taken the form of someone like Big Mom who has the same height of Kaido and then...well I don't need to describe the rest I thinkI imagine that Kaido said "okay I'll come to your country if you can provide me weapons...but I also need a heir..you! Do it!" and Higurashi probably replied something like : "nikyokyokyo if that's the only price to pay, the pleasure is mine".
Kaido : "Let me warn you. This child will be mine, my heir, my son. You won't have any right over him, he won't know his mother, he will be an Oni"
Higurashi : "I've never liked kids anyways, not that I care, the Kurozumi family already has a successor ni kyo kyo"
Higurashi prob approached Kaido with an offer for an heir that most people before never got the courage to do because Higurashi might have known him even before the Kurozumi and Beasts Pirates allied. Higurashi had copies of Shiki’s face and possibly even Stussy’s, so it could delve into this idea that either Higurashi was part of Rocks or was a close affiliate of them.
Yes, absolutely.
It makes no doubt to me that Higurashi was either an official member of Rocks or affiliated with them. I'm pretty sure that's how she got to meet Kaido and to know about his passion for war and weapons etc.
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@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@electricmastro said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@electricmastro Yeah I agree with you, I have a similar point of view on the matter.
Higurashi, with her "Mane Mane" fruit could copy anyone's appearance, so technically she could have taken the form of someone like Big Mom who has the same height of Kaido and then...well I don't need to describe the rest I thinkI imagine that Kaido said "okay I'll come to your country if you can provide me weapons...but I also need a heir..you! Do it!" and Higurashi probably replied something like : "nikyokyokyo if that's the only price to pay, the pleasure is mine".
Kaido : "Let me warn you. This child will be mine, my heir, my son. You won't have any right over him, he won't know his mother, he will be an Oni"
Higurashi : "I've never liked kids anyways, not that I care, the Kurozumi family already has a successor ni kyo kyo"
Higurashi prob approached Kaido with an offer for an heir that most people before never got the courage to do because Higurashi might have known him even before the Kurozumi and Beasts Pirates allied. Higurashi had copies of Shiki’s face and possibly even Stussy’s, so it could delve into this idea that either Higurashi was part of Rocks or was a close affiliate of them.
Yes, absolutely.
It makes no doubt to me that Higurashi was either an official member of Rocks or affiliated with them. I'm pretty sure that's how she got to meet Kaido and to know about his passion for war and weapons etc.
And the fact that the Kurozumis got as far as having a child named Tama 8 years ago could also give leeway for there to be multiple other Kurozumi descendants to be out there in Wano too.
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@electricmastro said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@electricmastro said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@Ryuga-san said in Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2:
@electricmastro Yeah I agree with you, I have a similar point of view on the matter.
Higurashi, with her "Mane Mane" fruit could copy anyone's appearance, so technically she could have taken the form of someone like Big Mom who has the same height of Kaido and then...well I don't need to describe the rest I thinkI imagine that Kaido said "okay I'll come to your country if you can provide me weapons...but I also need a heir..you! Do it!" and Higurashi probably replied something like : "nikyokyokyo if that's the only price to pay, the pleasure is mine".
Kaido : "Let me warn you. This child will be mine, my heir, my son. You won't have any right over him, he won't know his mother, he will be an Oni"
Higurashi : "I've never liked kids anyways, not that I care, the Kurozumi family already has a successor ni kyo kyo"
Higurashi prob approached Kaido with an offer for an heir that most people before never got the courage to do because Higurashi might have known him even before the Kurozumi and Beasts Pirates allied. Higurashi had copies of Shiki’s face and possibly even Stussy’s, so it could delve into this idea that either Higurashi was part of Rocks or was a close affiliate of them.
Yes, absolutely.
It makes no doubt to me that Higurashi was either an official member of Rocks or affiliated with them. I'm pretty sure that's how she got to meet Kaido and to know about his passion for war and weapons etc.
And the fact that the Kurozumis got as far as having a child named Tama 8 years ago could also give leeway for there to be multiple other Kurozumi descendants to be out there in Wano too.
Exactly, and maybe they curse their name because, just like all the other people in Wano, they suffered a lot under Orochi's tyranny.
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VP's PG research and curiosity over the weight of memory might be connected.
Roger could hear the voices of the Skypiea PG.
Rayleigh confirmed it was the VOAT
Both Roger and Oden heard the Sea Kings.
All things makes it literal, so what does that mean for the ancient robot and it's power source?
VP wants to not only share what he knows with everyone and through that "seas of knowledge", his intellect can be surpassed.
He wants to also share the resources with the world.
How does one get from point A to point B of sharing resources and knowledge. I think they will initially have to identify the resource, analyze it, and then find out how to convert it before being able to transmit.
Here is VP researching memories. I believe that "voices" that Roger hears are possibly "memories left behind. Similar to Force Echoes in Star Wars.
There is a chance that this same ability allows for Shirahoshi to speak to Sea Kings, convert desires to DF, activate the ancient robot no matter how many years later, Momo commanding Zunesha.
Finding out the weight of it and comparing Kuma's DF ability to a nervous system was a clue to me. It's what is on VP's mind.
That makes me question what does he have to give to Bonney. He didn't want her to go in the P.A.W. room and he also promised to not tell her about Kuma. So what is it? I believe it to be a memory.
When introducing him, Bonney felt that Luffy and the others were doing nothing by calling the robot names. Looks like Luffy made a wish.
Shirahoshi made a wish.
It's easy to just think that VP is warping, but he is saying that it's another failure. Meaning this has happened before. Yet, he indicates that something took place as he was warping. I think there is a chance that Luffy's command/wish disrupted his warping.
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So, I was looking back at Chapter 1,076 and I noticed the buildings around Elbaf do reflect the architecture of Viking Age Scandinavia well enough....but are relatively primitive by the standards of other places across the world. Also, as old legends in Dorry and Brogy, return, I think I might have deduced the root of conflict for the arc.
I think whoever the villain is will want to "modernize" Elbaf, taking it away from it's Viking roots and even seek to join the World Government, adopting their rules and customs, an analogy of how the Christianization of Scandinavia took it from decentralized petty kings and jarls to a unified, stable country, the foundations of modern Denmark, Sweden, etc. And old traditions like the Giant Warrior Pirates have to go. For their part, there's no way the World Government would miss a chance to bring Elbaf under their control, even if it means making giant-sized ships and weapons for the villain's modernized army.
So, it will be a conflict of tradition versus modernization, I believe.
