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      😁Thanks. That made me laugh but I doubt your "theory" is right. Luffy already has "Poseidon". I'd bet Blackbeard is going to get " Pluton" and Imu will have "Uranus".

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        Someone made a great theory on Reddit today. It's basis is that Kanjuro is the traitor and that in his past he stole hair from people (plus that he was persecuted in his past). It implies that he'll take the hair from Yasuei for his new brush. It's right here

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          In the preview we got this as we already see him using Geppou on top moving really fast

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            So the anime can't stay true to the manga even on stuff like this?

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              @Claudio:

              So the anime can't stay true to the manga even on stuff like this?

              It expanded the source

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                It expanded itself. The source material is different.

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                  @Claudio:

                  It expanded itself. The source material is different.

                  No shit?

                  Thanks for the clarification

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                    Yeah. You're welcome.

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                      This is the bare bones of a theory so rip it apart or build on it as you will.

                      Could Toki be Jewelry Bonney?

                      Evidence as such:
                      Toki has a time-related devil fruit.
                      Jewelry has a time related devil fruit.

                      Toki travelled with Whitebeard.
                      Jewelry was extremely upset when Whitebeard was killed.

                      Toki was wounded in around mid-thigh.
                      Jewelry wears stockings that cover her to around mid-thigh.

                      Toki disappeared over 20 years ago.
                      Jewelry is believed to be a rookie who started making a name for herself over 20 years later, closer to when Toki sent the Clan members.

                      They both have similar builds & it's a bit hard to tell if there are major differences facially, but a dye job and facial piercing are just cosmetic really.
                      They wield different weapons and carry themselves differently but people change.

                      Did a quick search to see if this was posted elsewhere but haven't seen it so apologies if someone else has thought of this.

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                        @Tangaroa:

                        This is the bare bones of a theory so rip it apart or build on it as you will.

                        Could Toki be Jewelry Bonney?

                        Evidence as such:
                        Toki has a time-related devil fruit.
                        Jewelry has a time related devil fruit.

                        Toki travelled with Whitebeard.
                        Jewelry was extremely upset when Whitebeard was killed.

                        Toki was wounded in around mid-thigh.
                        Jewelry wears stockings that cover her to around mid-thigh.

                        Toki disappeared over 20 years ago.
                        Jewelry is believed to be a rookie who started making a name for herself over 20 years later, closer to when Toki sent the Clan members.

                        They both have similar builds & it's a bit hard to tell if there are major differences facially, but a dye job and facial piercing are just cosmetic really.
                        They wield different weapons and carry themselves differently but people change.

                        Did a quick search to see if this was posted elsewhere but haven't seen it so apologies if someone else has thought of this.

                        I wondered about this, too. But more, I wondered whether Bonney's devil fruit is the same as Toki's. It would make sense considering the other devil fruits in the flashback were repeats.

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                          Could Toki be Jewelry Bonney?

                          No. Toki is dead

                          Nothing else even needs to be said, but:

                          Evidence as such:
                          Toki has a time-related devil fruit.
                          Jewelry has a time related devil fruit.

                          Yea, different ones. Toki sends people through time; Bonney sends time through people.

                          Toki travelled with Whitebeard.
                          Jewelry was extremely upset when Whitebeard was killed.

                          She was upset because she saw what Kuma had become. Also she was the queen of Sorbet Kingdom, how would Toki go there from where she was in Wano even if she didn't die? And completely change her personality. There's theories that are far out there, and then there's something like this.

                          Creative thinking is a nice thing but this is a hard no 😄

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                            Good points, thanks. From the last panel we saw her in she's been wounded but because of the way it cuts out thought there was a possibility she'd pilled a Pel and the rest is just logistics. If she didn't timejump herself she has had 20 years wandering around waiting for the others.

                            I'm unsure though about the DF differences, we've seen a lot of them that have other effects that don't seem to be related at first glance and only Toki's DF has a name. 'Time' is the only thing their powers seem to have in common.

                            I thought Jewelry was only posing as the Queen to sorbet though? Will have to go back and read again. Thanks for pointing it out.

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                              Here's another theory that is missing a few features to make it wholly robust, but work with me here.

                              Green Bull has a radioactive devil fruit (a 'Radioactive Man', if you will).

                              I will get to the specifics, later, but now I draw a comparison between scientific thinking prior to and following Columbus' journey to the Americas, the New World.

                              Prior to this, science was, largely, an attempt to explain the actions of God; whereas, as the Renaissance lurched forward, so did ideas of the Enlightment and rationalism. Effectively, science had become a practice of understanding how the world works. Admittedly, this is a painfully reductive summary of what took place; however, I want you to take the spirit of thoser statements on board.

                              To roughly translate this into One Piece, pre-timeskip consists of a pre-Columbian thought and perception; post-timeskip refers to the Enlightenment era following the discovery of the New World on the Grand Line, which, obviously, shares its name with its real world counterpart.

                              The example is best shown through the admirals. Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru have powers that resemble godly power or fury: Aokiji possesses a DF power that most closely resembles a great deluge, much like in the story of Noah; Akainu, seemingly, summons the fires of Hell; Kizaru embodies the light of God. Moreover, their fleet Admiral is a massive, shining, representation of a godly figure.

                              It is a very rough translation, but the interplay of powers between Akainu and Aokiji reminds me of the Classical Elements (Fire/Water/Earth/Wind), which embodies that idea of classical thought; whereas, Fujitora's gravity DF represents one of the four fundamental forces (Gravity/Magnetism/Weak and Strong Radiation), which, clearly is a very recent development in the history of science.

                              Obviously, there are some holes: Akainu becomes Fleet Admiral and Kizaru remains an Admiral, which suggests a continuation of Classical Thought; the Classical Elements DF users do not exist solely amongst the ranks of admirals; the only other Fundamental Force user, Kidd, is a pirate. Let me address these concerns one-by-one.

                              Regarding Kizaru, I think the perception of light has changed rapidly over the centuries. Once, it was the light of God and now it is a particle and wave, which has led to new developments in Quantum mechanics; effectively, Kizaru's power has come to represent something totally different.

                              This is supported by Akainu's promotion, or perhaps, Sengoku's resignation/retirement. Essentially, the representation of God, faith and worship stepped away for a walking volcano. On one hand, this could be a symbol for God giving way to the fires of hell; however, it also shows how our perception and understanding of volcanoes has developed. Akainu's power is that which creates new lands and pushes and pulls continents. With greater scientific understanding, magma is no longer something daemonic, but something radically creative and essential to the rock cycle. Fundamentally, once gods stepped aside, we began to understand the true potential or power of magma, we began to become rational, enlightened, scientific. In effect, rational thinking has taken hold of the Navy, as opposed to god worship.

                              Due to the water weakness of DFs, I am aware how flimsy the 'original admirals represented the Classical Elements' may seem. Explicitly, we haven't encountered a wind user (although, Dragon seems to be the guy); the closest thing to earth would be Caribou with his swamp logia. Therefore, wind bears a question mark; however, I would like to offer Whitebeard as a candidate for 'earth', from his earth shattering DF. I say this because he, like Sengoku, were eclipsed, in one way or another, by a new generation of characters, themes, representations. Despite not being an admiral, Whitebeard typified this classical way of thinking. This is a wild diversion, but he always reminded me of a Confucian 'father of the house' figure, which, of course, is an ancient, pre-Columbian philosophy, although, I am aware that throwing chunks of Western and Eastern ancient philosophy is flawed and perhaps, dangerous, I think that Oda has combined a lot of different cultural perspectives in his work, with differing levels of success, of course.

                              If Whitebeard represents the 'old way', then Kidd's magnetic DF represents the 'new'. He was always widely tipped as Luffy's greatest rival from his generation; although he was introduced in Paradise, it was at the very end, almost signalling a new chapter. Also, recall the time he crucified those pirates in the New World - they begged to return to Paradise and he chastised them for trying to return to that place, and by extension, that old way of thinking.

                              To return to Green Bull, however, I want to envision Akainu's navy as a 'house of science', with Fujitora's gravity and Kizaru's quantum mechanical light as constituent figures; whereas, Sengoku's was a 'house of faith', with his admirals able to perform acts of God. Following the fundamental forces reasoning, gravity and magnetism have been taken, so what's left? Strong and weak radiation. I highly doubt these will be fleshed out as individual DFs, and instead rolled into one. I think this would be a totally brutal DF, and that's one of the reasons why I'm sceptical: would Oda really have a character suffer from radioactive poisoning? Of course, there would myriad ways to overcome this and to make this a viable DF. Whatever you say though, it would be very powerful.

                              This post went on far longer than anticipated. I hope I've addressed most of the holes with relatively reasonable answers, although, trying to balance quantity and quality is really difficult sometimes. Please let me know what you think.

                              Ro? (Comic)

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                                **Ussop's slingshot theories.

                                1.** Because his slingshot uses his own strength to shoot Ussop is physically stronger than snipers who rely on rifles or other guns. This will vital in defeating Blackbeard's sniper Van Auger who uses a rifle.

                                2. Luffy will eventually be used as both band and ammo for the slingshot. As the band he can launch much larger things that the normal one. And if he manages to compress himself to a tiny size and coat himself in haki he could Ussop's most powerful ammo ever.

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                                  I'm sure someone must've already said it but what do you guys think of 'my' theory that the pirate Shanks wanted to talk to Elder Stars about, was Oden?

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                                    Red Man might be a form if he could sustain flames. Whenever Luffy's attacks ignite into flames, he adds "red" to it. Just like he adds "hawk" to some hardened moves or "giganto" to G3 moves or "jet" to G2 moves. Issue is that Luffy has been surprised by the flames before. So, it can't be a new form, just something that compliments his recent CoA progress. It would be in the same vein as "full version" for Tank Man, which I believe is an actual form learned on Rusukaina. Which form would this compliment? Bounce, Tank, Snake or some other G4 form?

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                                      I've honestly convinced myself that Zoro will at some point kill Kaido. It just seems like there's too many plot connections for Zoro to not defeat the near impervious dragon, with one of the only swords to wound him before, in the country that he's almost assuredly connected to, as well as it being the home of a samurai who is most famous for killing a dragon, he's been compared to that samurai extensively, fought with that samurai's zombie, and had been using that samurai's sword for a while.

                                      The biggest reasons that cause me to doubt this myself though is that Luffy needs to redeem himself from being one shot, Luffy has always eventually faced off against the main antagonist each arc, and it would legitimize Luffy's path to the title of Pirate King to defeat all Emperors himself. So I could see Luffy defeating Kaido and then after he's left alone he tries to get up or something and Zoro steps in to deal a killing blow or something.

                                      Wheel of morality turn, turn, turn.

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                                        I'm sure someone must've already said it but what do you guys think of 'my' theory that the pirate Shanks wanted to talk to Elder Stars about, was Oden?

                                        What did you say? And 20 years after his death? I don't know but I'll listen.

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                                        I've honestly convinced myself that Zoro will at some point kill Kaido. It just seems like there's too many plot connections for Zoro to not defeat the near impervious dragon, with one of the only swords to wound him before, in the country that he's almost assuredly connected to, as well as it being the home of a samurai who is most famous for killing a dragon, he's been compared to that samurai extensively, fought with that samurai's zombie, and had been using that samurai's sword for a while.

                                        The biggest reasons that cause me to doubt this myself though is that Luffy needs to redeem himself from being one shot, Luffy has always eventually faced off against the main antagonist each arc, and it would legitimize Luffy's path to the title of Pirate King to defeat all Emperors himself. So I could see Luffy defeating Kaido and then after he's left alone he tries to get up or something and Zoro steps in to deal a killing blow or something.

                                        A killing blow? Zoro has more or less acknowledged that he'll kill if needs but I don't think Oda wants Zoro to do that. I do think Kaido will die though, it seems to be his dream right now. I think Zoro will join in on the fight against Kaido Oars style, I just don't see anyone delivering the decisive blow aside from Luffy. At that point I don't see Zoro going over to his knocked out body and stabbing him in the liver.

                                        I do expect Zoro to land some hits though with at least one resulting in a new cut on Kaido! Still I guarantee you Oda is going to tread very carefully with that. If he looks like he's got the total upper hand against an Emperor what incentive is an average reader to think Mihawk will be any threat later?

                                        Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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                                          I've honestly convinced myself that Zoro will at some point kill Kaido. It just seems like there's too many plot connections for Zoro to not defeat the near impervious dragon, with one of the only swords to wound him before, in the country that he's almost assuredly connected to, as well as it being the home of a samurai who is most famous for killing a dragon, he's been compared to that samurai extensively, fought with that samurai's zombie, and had been using that samurai's sword for a while.

                                          The biggest reasons that cause me to doubt this myself though is that Luffy needs to redeem himself from being one shot, Luffy has always eventually faced off against the main antagonist each arc, and it would legitimize Luffy's path to the title of Pirate King to defeat all Emperors himself. So I could see Luffy defeating Kaido and then after he's left alone he tries to get up or something and Zoro steps in to deal a killing blow or something.

                                          I can't see Oda ever letting a Strawhat kill a character on-screen (even with fodder it's vague, including Ch. 909), especially not a main antagonist like Kaido. And like you pointed out, the idea of Zoro getting any finishing blow, lethal or otherwise, over Luffy of all people is just incredibly unrealistic. Outside of Enma's existence, the setup simply isn't there, it's stronger for Orochi so far. And as far as the Ryuma parallels go, the whole dragon slaying feat was already replicated in Punk Hazard, unless we really want to argue that Zoro is now owed very dragon's head.

                                          Personally I feel that anything past Zoro injuring Kaido is vastly overrating Zoro's potential importance in regards to how they defeat Kaido.

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                                            What did you say? And 20 years after his death? I don't know but I'll listen.

                                            Well after you put it that way…. It probably isnt that great an idea xD

                                            Hahahaha there isnt really much more to it. But since I have an audience I'll go a bit into how and why it i thought of it.

                                            Just around the crash of site I was doing a reread of Wano arc and saw somewhere on forum a discussion about this topic and people seemed divided into those who think it was about Blackbeard (myself included) and those who thought it was about Luffy (makes no sense to me). After I finished my reread I decided to go a bit more back and do a reread of some other things including the reverie. After I read the scene I started thinking who else could Shanks have wanted to discuss. I thought BB was the obvious choice so who could be another candidate (a curveball) and it just clicked, why not Oden.

                                            I first wanted to ask about Shanks' precise wording whether it was TALK or WARN about cuz the one I found said talk but if it was warn then obviously it couldnt be Oden (but site was crashed and i dont go to other places when it comes to OP). And it kinda made sense to me after reread, we see Oden be this absolutely amazing person and he would be someone who could be worthy of such a thing and not just Shanks saying something WG knew about and is kinda obvious (BB is dangerous). I mean WG might not really know much about him so this could be new/ usefull/ valuable information.

                                            Also after I put some more thought into it, Shanks knew Oden wanted to open Wano and possibly that doing so could be vital around this time. Furthermore it provides a reason for WG to meddle into the arc and... dunno, seems like it could open some more fun possibilities story-wise.

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                                              I think everyone is forgetting something important about the war with Kaidou. Something that can maybe change the outcome of the war: MONT-D'OR

                                              If you think about it this guy has an arsenal of trapped beasts and persons from every species inside his books. If this guy dies, all the prisonners will be released. And that means: legendary and unique beasts and maybe legendary warriors who can help Luffy and others to attack Big Mom crew. etc.

                                              The other element of course is maybe the remainings of Gol D Roger pirates (maybe Rayleigh will find people to help Luffy) or Whitebeard pirates remains.

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                                                I think everyone is forgetting something important about the war with Kaidou. Something that can maybe change the outcome of the war: MONT-D'OR

                                                If you think about it this guy has an arsenal of trapped beasts and persons from every species inside his books. If this guy dies, all the prisonners will be released. And that means: legendary and unique beasts and maybe legendary warriors who can help Luffy and others to attack Big Mom crew. etc.

                                                The other element of course is maybe the remainings of Gol D Roger pirates (maybe Rayleigh will find people to help Luffy) or Whitebeard pirates remains.

                                                I mean they're on WCI so they're not exactly relevant.

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                                                  I mean they're on WCI so they're not exactly relevant.

                                                  Do you think Montdor will go to wano country without an arsenal of books to fight and maybe capture enemies? dont think so…

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                                                    Do you think Montdor will go to wano country without an arsenal of books to fight and maybe capture enemies? dont think so…

                                                    His prisoners are in WCI, and he has no reason to bring them with him. So it doesn't matter if they're released or not as far as Wano goes. If you're talking about him capturing people in this arc, who will later on be freed, that's completely different from what you initially said.

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                                                      On the other hand, picture this: Mont d'Or is defeated in Wano and suddenly the library in Tottoland burst open with the craziest animals ever seen, freed prisioners making chaos and wrecking Big Mom's kingdom.

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                                                        dragon being the white dragon admiral, is there such theories going around?

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                                                          Tama seems to be filling the role of Momotaro in this adventure. She's got the kibi dango, she already tamed a monkey and a dog, so all she needs to do is tame a bird.

                                                          Nekomamushi uses one of her kibidango to get Marco into going to Wano. Insert Marco being super confused why the heck he's there.

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                                                            Tama seems to be filling the role of Momotaro in this adventure. She's got the kibi dango, she already tamed a monkey and a dog, so all she needs to do is tame a bird.

                                                            Nekomamushi uses one of her kibidango to get Marco into going to Wano. Insert Marco being super confused why the heck he's there.

                                                            She's totally taming Kanjuro's drawn bird, isn't she?

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                                                              She's totally taming Kanjuro's drawn bird, isn't she?

                                                              Sure hope so. That's a way to make her part of the story again, seeing as she stayed behind in Wano while everyone went to Onigashima.

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                                                                I'm not sure her powers would work in Kanjuro's drawing. They aren't real animals. And I don't see how she'd cross path with Kanjuro to try anyhow.

                                                                But I'd expect her powers to be helpful in the war since they've already been established. Maybe she can tame the numbers?

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                                                                  Kuma is Bonney's father

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                                                                    The Straw Hats (Carrot included) at some point go to the moon. There Carrot improves Sulong due to the environment and either power ups electro through conflict with Enel or uses electro to power up and gain support from the automata.

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                                                                      There are 5 other "Zodiac" Vice Admirals. So far, we've had:

                                                                      • Aokiji (Bird)
                                                                      • Kizaru (Monkey)
                                                                      • Akainu (Dog)

                                                                      Then after the open recruitment for replacements:

                                                                      • Fujitora (Tiger)
                                                                      • Ryokugyu (Bull/Cow)

                                                                      During this, others also tried for the Admirals seats, but lost, retaining an Admiral codename:

                                                                      • Chaton (Pig)
                                                                      • Momosagi (Rabbit)

                                                                      So we have Horse, Sheep, Rat, Snake and Dragon left, all combinened with a color.

                                                                      Better yet, if you take away Aokiji and have these 11, it possibly matches the eventual 11 strawhat matchup, like Blackbeard and his 10 Titanic captains.

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                                                                        There are 5 other "Zodiac" Vice Admirals. So far, we've had:

                                                                        • Aokiji (Bird)
                                                                        • Kizaru (Monkey)
                                                                        • Akainu (Dog)

                                                                        Then after the open recruitment for replacements:

                                                                        • Fujitora (Tiger)
                                                                        • Ryokugyu (Bull/Cow)

                                                                        During this, others also tried for the Admirals seats, but lost, retaining an Admiral codename:

                                                                        • Chaton (Pig)
                                                                        • Momosagi (Rabbit)

                                                                        So we have Horse, Sheep, Rat, Snake and Dragon left, all combinened with a color.

                                                                        Better yet, if you take away Aokiji and have these 11, it possibly matches the eventual 11 strawhat matchup, like Blackbeard and his 10 Titanic captains.

                                                                        You have any potential famous Japanese actors and colors to fill out all these zodiac positions?

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                                                                          @Berry:

                                                                          You have any potential famous Japanese actors and colors to fill out all these zodiac positions?

                                                                          Personally I don't know many famous Japanese actors and tbh the colors probably could be anything we haven't gottenXD I'd assume Orange, Black and White are possibilities. Something like Black-Horse (Kurouma) or White Sheep (Hirohitsuji) seems possible compared to how the rest are done.

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                                                                            This is cool but I very much doubt their will ever be a showndown like that between the crew and the marines. It just wouldn't work.

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                                                                              This is cool but I very much doubt their will ever be a showndown like that between the crew and the marines. It just wouldn't work.

                                                                              The theory was more about them just existing, which I think is likely. As for the battles, who knows.

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                                                                                Personally I don't know many famous Japanese actors and tbh the colors probably could be anything we haven't gottenXD I'd assume Orange, Black and White are possibilities. Something like Black-Horse (Kurouma) or White Sheep (Hirohitsuji) seems possible compared to how the rest are done.

                                                                                Top 3 GreenBull candidates in my book went from Toshiro Mifune to Sonny Chiba to Yoshio Harada. Whichever ones aren't GreenBull could be the other candidates.

                                                                                Ken Takakura is the "Japanese Clint Eastwood". That personality fits very well as a Marine.

                                                                                Colors: Orange, Black, White, Gray, Light Blue, Gold
                                                                                Animals: Dragon, Horse, Snake, Goat, Rat (Cat)

                                                                                My guesses:
                                                                                Orange Rooster
                                                                                Black Snake
                                                                                White Horse
                                                                                Gray Rat
                                                                                Light Blue Goat
                                                                                Gold Dragon

                                                                                And I think a Strawhats vs Admiral candidates battle would be awesome. Each Strawhat would get another epic battle to struggle, grow, and shine.

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                                                                                  @Berry:

                                                                                  Top 3 GreenBull candidates in my book went from Toshiro Mifune to Sonny Chiba to Yoshio Harada. Whichever ones aren't GreenBull could be the other candidates.

                                                                                  Ken Takakura is the "Japanese Clint Eastwood". That personality fits very well as a Marine.

                                                                                  Colors: Orange, Black, White, Gray, Light Blue, Gold
                                                                                  Animals: Dragon, Horse, Snake, Goat, Rat (Cat)

                                                                                  My guesses:
                                                                                  Orange Rooster
                                                                                  Black Snake
                                                                                  White Horse
                                                                                  Gray Rat
                                                                                  Light Blue Goat
                                                                                  Gold Dragon

                                                                                  And I think a Strawhats vs Admiral candidates battle would be awesome. Each Strawhat would get another epic battle to struggle, grow, and shine.

                                                                                  It works oddly well too.

                                                                                  • Akainu vs. Luffy is a given

                                                                                  His top 3 vs. the Admirals

                                                                                  • Zoro vs. Fujitora for obvious reasons
                                                                                  • Sanji vs. Ryokugyu since it seems that he's a "ladies man" and a cook (if he gave Fuji that meal) while also could care less about eating. Same but different from Sanji
                                                                                  • Jinbe vs. Kizaru whom was partly responsible for Fisher Tigers death and Arlongs incarceration.

                                                                                  Then (if Luffy gains 1 more member), the 7 remaining can fight the 7 other Vice Admirals. By this point I'd expect each Strawhat to hit a level of competance to win fights like this.

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                                                                                    Their is no way Sabo won't be part of the fight against Sakazuki and Oda hinted in an "sbs" that Issho and "green bull" aren't really meant to be antagonists. This is reinforced by how Issho acted in Dressrosa.

                                                                                    I just don't see the crew taking the upper echeleon of the marines. It's too much. Only one admiral has been defeated through out the series and it was by another admiral.

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                                                                                      Oda and his "cold sweats" lol

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                                                                                        Well I suppose he may have been joking but having the fleet admiral and all the admirals as antagonists to just the crew is definitely too much.

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                                                                                          @Gia:

                                                                                          It works oddly well too.

                                                                                          • Akainu vs. Luffy is a given

                                                                                          His top 3 vs. the Admirals

                                                                                          • Zoro vs. Fujitora for obvious reasons
                                                                                          • Sanji vs. Ryokugyu since it seems that he's a "ladies man" and a cook (if he gave Fuji that meal) while also could care less about eating. Same but different from Sanji
                                                                                          • Jinbe vs. Kizaru whom was partly responsible for Fisher Tigers death and Arlongs incarceration.

                                                                                          Then (if Luffy gains 1 more member), the 7 remaining can fight the 7 other Vice Admirals. By this point I'd expect each Strawhat to hit a level of competance to win fights like this.

                                                                                          Interesting line up. I like your reasoning. And here i was thinking Sanji vs Kizaru was a lock. You broaden my perspective. Another interesting match up would be Jinbe vs Aokiji. I suspect Aokiji is a still a Marine either swayed by Akainu after their battle in a personal speech…maybe about his true dream...or stayed to keep an eye on Akainu because he doesn't trust him. Whatever the reason, Jinbe could hit Aokiji without even touching him. Ice is just frozen water. Vagabond Drill!

                                                                                          Nami vs Momousagi
                                                                                          Usopp vs Chaton

                                                                                          Original 5 should have opponents, IMO, in this scenario.

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                                                                                            I just remembered; the "worst generation" will definitely be getting their revenge on Borsalino.

                                                                                            I think Kuzan may be working with "sword" too.

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                                                                                              @Gia:

                                                                                              There are 5 other "Zodiac" Vice Admirals. So far, we've had:

                                                                                              • Aokiji (Bird)
                                                                                              • Kizaru (Monkey)
                                                                                              • Akainu (Dog)

                                                                                              Then after the open recruitment for replacements:

                                                                                              • Fujitora (Tiger)
                                                                                              • Ryokugyu (Bull/Cow)

                                                                                              During this, others also tried for the Admirals seats, but lost, retaining an Admiral codename:

                                                                                              • Chaton (Pig)
                                                                                              • Momosagi (Rabbit)

                                                                                              So we have Horse, Sheep, Rat, Snake and Dragon left, all combinened with a color.

                                                                                              Better yet, if you take away Aokiji and have these 11, it possibly matches the eventual 11 strawhat matchup, like Blackbeard and his 10 Titanic captains.

                                                                                              Would that mean that Nezumi from Arlong Park got a huge promotion in the timeskip?

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                                                                                                Marco's message to Luffy is how to find the 4th Road Poneglyph. It's on God Valley, but something on Elbaf will need to be found first to find the island.

                                                                                                • Whitebeard protected FI, the last known location of the 4th Road Poneglyph.
                                                                                                • Whitebeard also knows where God Valley is located due to Rocks wanting something else from there.
                                                                                                • Both God Valley and the final Road Poneglyph are "lost", making it the perfect place to "hide" the Road Poneglyph.

                                                                                                Will spark a huge treasure hunt on Elbaf (Luffy blabs it to the other Supernova, possibly even shares them copies of the Road Poneglyphs he has to make it more "fun".)

                                                                                                All 4 Yonko/Rocks plot will also be involved with Elbaf (yes, I'm insinuating that Kaido/BM aren't going down in Wano)

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                                                                                                  Kaido will definitely go down in Wano and Big Mom will definitely be making it to Elbaf.

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                                                                                                    Many seem to believe that Sasaki's gonna be revealed as a Sabretoothed Tiger zoan. If so, I could also see him being revealed as a (half?) Tigershark Fishman to boot, just to hammer home the Tiger theme.

                                                                                                    Alternatively, maybe he's a Horn Shark Fishman. Its markings do seem similar to the patterns on his clothing haha.

                                                                                                    Eat all dem fish

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                                                                                                      Could Big Mom betray Kaido and assist in his downfall?

                                                                                                      • She doesn't necessarily need to overshadow everyone by being a participant in the main battle, she could do something similar to what Law did on Dressrosa.
                                                                                                      • The main key to this plot option is that she obtains Kaido's Road Poneglyph and becomes a serious contender to reach Laugh Tale. This would set her up well for Elbaf, the most likely location of the lost Road Poneglyph.
                                                                                                      • A conflict with Big Mom on Elbaf would hopefully mitigate issues fans might have with her giving the heroes too much of an advantage against Kaido, and give a good stepping stone between fighting Kaido with an army and fighting Blackbeard with just the crew.

                                                                                                      Spoiler:

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                                                                                                        Boredom and mind wandering at work left me to ponder ideas on the other 4 flying 6's Devil Fruits. A few checks online told me I wasn't really coming up with anything new, but I'll throw them down anyway. I was only thinking about ancient Zoans at the time, but some of the mythical zoan ideas sound fun.

                                                                                                        Ulti - Pachycephalosaurus: Sure seems like she wants to butt-heads with anyone and everyone with her words, might as well see her take that into her gimmick. Would probably be fun seeing her headbutting Pay Pay in their half-forms later on.

                                                                                                        Black Maria - Quetzalcoatlus: Would be nice to see at least one other flying dinosaur. Something about her design makes me imagine her being super smug/proud of having that ginormous wingspan, even if she's no match for King.

                                                                                                        Sasaki and Who's Who I'm lumping together a little. Singling them out as "former captains" but not Drake probably means they'll stand out a little amongst the dinosaurs. What came to mind the simplest would be if they're both early Mammal ancient zoans. Smilodon being the most obvious and easy choice for one of them, while other ideas are harder to come up with. Especially since Who's Who looks like he could just as easily be the generic one that gets taken out without ever showing anything. It's easy seeing Sasaki transform into just about anything. A Megatherium (Giant Sloth) might be something Oda could get creative with, or maybe a short-faced Bear (or just any ancient bear).

                                                                                                        If Oda doesn't save the T. Rex for even later use, I'd bet that's either going to the strongest amongst the Numbers, or Yamato.

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