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      This is ridiculous. No. Mr. 6 whoever he was would have been a total weakling even by Baroque Works era standards of the series, let alone whatever super strong level the Germa brothers are at. And of course there are only four Germa brothers. There's absolutely no reason to think this.

      Also got told it was ridiculous when asked if Sanji meaning third son could mean he had brothers. My reasons for suspecting one was Mr.6 being the only under 10 member we never saw & that it was at Alabasta Sanji made his own play around Crocodile. His other solo play, slipping away to open the tidal gate at Ennies Lobby, came from his direct knowledge as a Vinsmoke.Didn't phrase correctly, instead of another I should have said 'one of'. As for power level I would be guessing that it was an undercover job, like CP9 on Water 7, to scope out BW. Though the family is famous by name nobody has mentioned Sanji having a family resemblence before so I don't know how recognizable the individual brothers are.The main reasons I can think against it are that the Vinsmokes are more army and less special op, though the assassination motif their fighting styles have originally threw me, and that Robin never commented on knowing someone who looked like Sanji. But Robin does tend to keep information rather close sometimes.

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        Also got told it was ridiculous when asked if Sanji meaning third son could mean he had brothers.

        Congratulations. That's completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

        My reasons for suspecting one was Mr.6 being the only under 10 member we never saw

        For starters, so what. But mostly you're creating a totally arbitrary importance border that doesn't exist. Meaning that being under ten isn't important or meaningful at all in Baroque Works. The ranking border in BW is between 5 and 6, not 9 and 10. 1-5 are the officer agents, and 6-12 are the frontier agents. Meaning you don't remember or don't understand at all how BW works. Mr. 6 is a frontier agent so not seeing him is about as relevant as…well its really not relevant at all. The frontier agents were pretty unimportant toadies who existed to conduct bounty hunting operations to make money for Crocodile's plans. You're talking like they were important players, but nope. Not at all.

        My reasons for suspecting one was Mr.6 being the only under 10 member we never saw

        So as a result that makes you obviously wrong then. Because we never saw Mr. 10 or Mr. 12 either. But even your basic statement is wrong without correcting for the actual rank borders. Because you're entirely fixating on the male members for some reason. We never saw Mr. 6's partner (Ms. Mothers Day) either, but you don't seem to care about that.

        that it was at Alabasta Sanji made his own play around Crocodile.

        Huh? What is this referring to? Sanji saving the day at Rainbase? That wasn't the first time he did his "Sanji vanishes and reappears having done something useful out of nowhere" thing. Not exactly anyway, his first time along those lines was Little Garden when he vanished for nearly the entire arc, and ended up discovering Mr. 3's camp and making Crocodile think the Strawhats were dead and also got an Eternal Pose for Alabasta (and took out the Unluckies). That scene also set up the Rainbase incident too. Now of course….what the hell does this have to do with Mr. 6, let alone Mr. 6 being a brother. Literally the only connection is Sanji doing this thing in an arc where Baroque Works was the main villain..?? So...??

        His other solo play, slipping away to open the tidal gate at Ennies Lobby,

        That's not his only other solo play. Aside from a few more minor times that could count, like saving Tashigi in Punk Hazard. The other major time was in Water7, he vanished for almost two volumes, missing the whole CP9 attack on Galley-La…then popping up at the train station just as CP9 was leaving with Robin.

        came from his direct knowledge as a Vinsmoke.

        ….what? You've completely made this up. If this a hunch of yours why the heck are you stating it like established fact?? And if its a hunch you can't use that to argue another hunch, that doesn't make any sense. A hunch isn't evidence lol. Besides I don't even understand this hunch in the first place... why would being a Vinsmoke mean anything regarding this? And we're SHOWN where he came up with the idea, Sanji and Zoro have a scene where they meet after beating Kaku and Jabura and are looking out a hole in the wall toward the gate. They're both mentioning how they notice that the whirlpools vanished when the gates opened. Setting up Sanji to go look for a way to close it later on.Didn't phrase correctly, instead of another I should have said 'one of'. As for power level I would be guessing that it was an undercover job, like CP9 on Water 7, to scope out BW. Though the family is famous by name nobody has mentioned Sanji having a family resemblence before so I don't know how recognizable the individual brothers are.The main reasons I can think against it are that the Vinsmokes are more army and less special op, though the assassination motif their fighting styles have originally threw me, and that Robin never commented on knowing someone who looked like Sanji. But Robin does tend to keep information rather close sometimes.

        As for power level I would be guessing that it was an undercover job, like CP9 on Water 7, to scope out BW.

        Why would the Germa be scoping out BW? We have absolutely no reason to think this. They're shown working on two different sorts of things so far. Mercenary jobs, and trying to get back their North Blue empire. Why would they care about BW?? Who would hire them?? Alabasta obviously didn't since their literal heir apparent did an undercover job herself, and the government was shown to be clueless about it by Smoker being the first one to sniff out a conspiracy on their end. CP9 had an incredibly good reason to be doing undercover work on Water7, and are also literal spies. The Germa aren't spies, in fact they're ridiculously flashy and aggressive. Your theories evidence requires evidence itself lol.

        The main reasons I can think against it are that the Vinsmokes are more army and less special op, though the assassination motif their fighting styles have originally threw me, and that Robin never commented on knowing someone who looked like Sanji. But Robin does tend to keep information rather close sometimes.

        And among all this you never mentioned a REASON for this to exist as a thing in the first place. We never saw Mr. 6, who played no role of important in anything. So why would him being one of Sanji's brothers even matter or exist for Oda to write in the first place?

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          Hm, I did not know Toriko had already handled the 'control with poison' angle (I don't keep up with it). I had simply seen something online about a wasp that could effectively brainwash caterpillars with their venom. They use it to keep the caterpillar docile while the wasp larvae eat their way out from inside them. Given that Reiuji absorbed a massive amount of fish toxin from Luffy, and given her butterfly/insect motif, I just connected the two things in my mind.

          I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh

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            Hm, I did not know Toriko had already handled the 'control with poison' angle (I don't keep up with it). I had simply seen something online about a wasp that could effectively brainwash caterpillars with their venom. They use it to keep the caterpillar docile while the wasp larvae eat their way out from inside them. Given that Reiuji absorbed a massive amount of fish toxin from Luffy, and given her butterfly/insect motif, I just connected the two things in my mind.

            I think a decent amount of people share your views, Im more curious about yonji's possible fruit that miht also be based on his moniker " winch green " or something. If those two have it im guessing the other two have respective colors and devil fruits also, like possibly red and blue. But Oda hiding sanji's fight with yonji 1. Showed us that yonji is no threat to sanji as an opponent, 2. Hid whatever powers he might have to set him up for a fight sometime in this arc.

            Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

            So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

            H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler

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              Question: What if Kaidou is not defeated by Luffy? Like Kaidou defeated Luffy and then because of Luffy's luck he ends drowning in the sea.

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                @BingBang:

                Question: What if Kaidou is not defeated by Luffy? Like Kaidou defeated Luffy and then because of Luffy's luck he ends drowning in the sea.

                This manga is not written by Kubo.

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                  I think a decent amount of people share your views, Im more curious about yonji's possible fruit that miht also be based on his moniker " winch green " or something. If those two have it im guessing the other two have respective colors and devil fruits also, like possibly red and blue. But Oda hiding sanji's fight with yonji 1. Showed us that yonji is no threat to sanji as an opponent, 2. Hid whatever powers he might have to set him up for a fight sometime in this arc.

                  Yonji doesn't have a Devil Fruit because Reiju kicked him into the ocean. His title "Winch" indicates more of a technology-based fighting style anyways. And Yonji didn't take Sanji seriously in their first fight which was why he was defeated; he could probably give Sanji a more difficult time even if Sanji is stronger in the end.

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                    Question: What if Kaidou is not defeated by Luffy? Like Kaidou defeated Luffy and then because of Luffy's luck he ends drowning in the sea.

                    That's would be no different from your usual cheap Deus Ex Machina.

                    Luck needs to play a secondary role in climactic events, not primary. It would be the equivalent of Doula Mongo dying of heart attack during his fight with Luffy.

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                      Yonji doesn't have a Devil Fruit because Reiju kicked him into the ocean. His title "Winch" indicates more of a technology-based fighting style anyways. And Yonji didn't take Sanji seriously in their first fight which was why he was defeated; he could probably give Sanji a more difficult time even if Sanji is stronger in the end.

                      The tech might be advanced enough to sense when he's underwater and automatically propel him upwards

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                      So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                        That's would be no different from your usual cheap Deus Ex rMachina. Luck needs to play a secondary role in climactic events, not primary. It would be the equivalent of Doula Mongo dying of heart attack during his fight with Luffy.

                        then you should read Oda comment about Kaidou. He doesnt want to end the fight " with luffy having a stronger fist than kaidou" so the deus ex machina es plausible.

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                          then you should read Oda comment about Kaidou. He doesnt want to end the fight " with luffy having a stronger fist than kaidou" so the deus ex machina es plausible.

                          No, that means he doesn't Luffy to win with raw physical strength, but strategy and all that.

                          Plus, he said that Luffy winning through his fist wouldn't work because it would be unsatisfying and cheap for the reader, which is exactly what Deus Ex Machinas are. It would be solving a problem with the same problem.

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                            No, that means he doesn't Luffy to win with raw physical strength, but strategy and all that.Plus, he said that Luffy winning through his fist wouldn't work because it would be unsatisfying and cheap for the reader, which is exactly what Deus Ex Machinas are. It would be solving a problem with the same problem.

                            Kaidou will be taken down with team effort of at least Law and Luffy. I would like to see Kidd dealing with Jack and maybe also helping a bit against Kaido. Maybe place where they are fighting will play a role, perhaps some nature phenomena might work in Luffys favour - like volcanic eruption or some kind of opposite effect area. In the end no creature can beat nature itself. So Law luring Kaido into some extremely dangerous place and risking by using place to his advantage coukd also make sense.

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                              What is clear is that some important character is going to die. Emperors are in another level.

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                                Taking down Kaido will definitely be a team effort. Blackbeard will be the Yonko that Luffy beats by himself.

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                                If Kaido is defeated in some deus ex machina way, I'm changing my name immediately

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                                  All I'm hoping for is some nice mugiwara-team fight, like against Oars.

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                                    All I'm hoping for is some nice mugiwara-team fight, like against Oars.

                                    but this time with a succesful docking…

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                                      If Kaidou would 100% win in a 1-on-1 fight, then you can bet on your life it's gonna be a team effort between Luffy, Law and Kid to take him down.

                                      The face of a Straw Hat.

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                                        but this time with a succesful docking…

                                        Absolutely. The complete docking would defeat even Kaido.

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                                          @BingBang:

                                          What is clear is that some important character is going to die. Emperors are in another level.

                                          There is nothing clear about that. Oda doesn't kill characters unless it's vital for the plot.

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                                            For a while I've been on board with the theory of Luffy teaming up with Kidd and Law to fight Kaido. I also believe that Law's Gamma Knife will be the key in taking him down, or at least weakening him enough for Luffy to give him the final beat-down. Plus since the big weakness of Gear 4th is the aftereffects on his Haki usage, letting Kidd and Law step in for a while to get taken down in time for Luffy to recover could give them an edge.

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                                              Honestly, I'm hoping for another yonko to step in and take Kaido down after Kaido's forces get weakened enough for them to see an exploitable opening.

                                              I could totally see Blackbeard doing that: swooping in after all Luffy's hard work to undermine Kaido and stealing his thunder.

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                                                I could totally see Blackbeard doing that: swooping in after all Luffy's hard work to undermine Kaido and stealing his thunder.

                                                I think that's what BB is going to do with all the Yonkos, cleaning up after the ones doing the real fight. Sort of what he did with WB, coming in when the old man was already wounded and tired and dealing the final strike. I can see Big Mom being defeated by SHs plus spies from Kaido, then running away with a few of her daughters and being killed offscreen by BB on some other island. Kaido being taken down by all the forces we're seeing teaming up against him in these last sagas, and eventually also being killed by BB's bogus devil fruit which will somehow deny Kaido's immortality. And Shanks dying a martyr trying to, I don't know, keep anybody else from going to Raftel after the SHs have "unlocked" the passage.

                                                Eh, fuck it.

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                                                  If Big Mom isn't put to the backburner after this arc, I expect Oda to use Big Mom and her crew as a way to give the Straw hats a set of one on ones before they fight the Blackbeard's in the grand finale.

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                                                    This gave me an idea that instead of defeating Big Mom, Luffy will manage to severely weaken her. This will allow Blackbeard to come in and defeat Big Mom, putting him and Luffy as the top two once Kaido is defeated.

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                                                      One Piece bout to end..thus the story will goes like this:
                                                      1. Big Mom Pirates will get weakened by efforts of Luffy wrecking havoc at their place..Fishmen Pirates joining Straw Hat Grand Fleet..Germa Kingdom brought down in this arc.. Capone Bege and his companion take over Big Mom Pirates
                                                      2. Straw Hat Grand Fleet vs Kaido Pirates vs Blackbeard Pirates..every SH Grand Fleet main character got 1vs1 battle..Kaido taken down by Luffy and Blackbeard..Blackbeard runaway..Luffy half dead..Law do special Ope Ope no mi treatment on Luffy..Luffy healed but Law is dead
                                                      3. World at chaos, Marine HQ with all new Sichibukai attack Red Hair Pirates and manage to bring them down..bring end to the Old Yonkou era. Boa Hancock didn't join as already stripped off of the Sichibukai. Kidd, Hawkins, Whitebeard Jr, Buggy, Urouge is the new Sichibukai.
                                                      4. Capone with Big Mom Pirates attack SH Grand Fleet. Revolutionaries Army help SH and win this war. Fishmen Island destroyed in this war.5. World Government Marine HQ with all new Sichibukai clashes with Revolutionaries Army with help from SH Grand Fleet..every SH Grand Fleet main character got 1vs1 battle..Mokey D. Dragon vs Monkey D. Garp..Luffy vs Akainu..Akainu down..Sabo vs Kizaru..Hawkeye vs Fujitora..Hawkeye defect to SH Grand Fleet by against Marine after found out final target is Sichibukai elimination. World Government and Marine brought down. Revolutionaries Army take over the New World Government.
                                                      6. Final arc..Straw Hat Pirates (9 crew members) vs Blackbeard Pirates..Luffy vs Blackbeard..Zoro vs Shiryuu..Sanji vs Burgess..Usopp vs Auger..Chopper vs Doc Q..Brook vs Lafitte..Franky vs San Juan..Robin vs Vasco Shot..Nami vs Catarina.
                                                      7. Luffy established as Pirate King
                                                      Zoro win duel with Hawkeye..No.1 Swordsman
                                                      Nami complete world map
                                                      Usopp acknowledged as Bravest Warrior on the sea
                                                      Sanji found All Blue
                                                      Chopper became infamous doctor
                                                      Robin learned True History and rewrite the history
                                                      Franky successfully built the greatest ever ship crossing all Blue Seas
                                                      Brook returns to Laboon and back as Soul King

                                                      Daaammnnn!

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                                                        One Piece bout to end..thus the story will goes like this:
                                                        1. Big Mom Pirates will get weakened by efforts of Luffy wrecking havoc at their place..Fishmen Pirates joining Straw Hat Grand Fleet..Germa Kingdom brought down in this arc.. Capone Bege and his companion take over Big Mom Pirates
                                                        2. Straw Hat Grand Fleet vs Kaido Pirates vs Blackbeard Pirates..every SH Grand Fleet main character got 1vs1 battle..Kaido taken down by Luffy and Blackbeard..Blackbeard runaway..Luffy half dead..Law do special Ope Ope no mi treatment on Luffy..Luffy healed but Law is dead
                                                        3. World at chaos, Marine HQ with all new Sichibukai attack Red Hair Pirates and manage to bring them down..bring end to the Old Yonkou era. Boa Hancock didn't join as already stripped off of the Sichibukai. Kidd, Hawkins, Whitebeard Jr, Buggy, Urouge is the new Sichibukai.
                                                        4. Capone with Big Mom Pirates attack SH Grand Fleet. Revolutionaries Army help SH and win this war. Fishmen Island destroyed in this war.5. World Government Marine HQ with all new Sichibukai clashes with Revolutionaries Army with help from SH Grand Fleet..every SH Grand Fleet main character got 1vs1 battle..Mokey D. Dragon vs Monkey D. Garp..Luffy vs Akainu..Akainu down..Sabo vs Kizaru..Hawkeye vs Fujitora..Hawkeye defect to SH Grand Fleet by against Marine after found out final target is Sichibukai elimination. World Government and Marine brought down. Revolutionaries Army take over the New World Government.
                                                        6. Final arc..Straw Hat Pirates (9 crew members) vs Blackbeard Pirates..Luffy vs Blackbeard..Zoro vs Shiryuu..Sanji vs Burgess..Usopp vs Auger..Chopper vs Doc Q..Brook vs Lafitte..Franky vs San Juan..Robin vs Vasco Shot..Nami vs Catarina.
                                                        7. Luffy established as Pirate King
                                                        Zoro win duel with Hawkeye..No.1 Swordsman
                                                        Nami complete world map
                                                        Usopp acknowledged as Bravest Warrior on the sea
                                                        Sanji found All Blue
                                                        Chopper became infamous doctor
                                                        Robin learned True History and rewrite the history
                                                        Franky successfully built the greatest ever ship crossing all Blue Seas
                                                        Brook returns to Laboon and back as Soul King

                                                        I'm happy you're not the author of this manga. What garbage.

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                                                          One Piece bout to end..thus the story will goes like this:

                                                          One Piece is not about to end.

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                                                            This gave me an idea that instead of defeating Big Mom, Luffy will manage to severely weaken her. This will allow Blackbeard to come in and defeat Big Mom, putting him and Luffy as the top two once Kaido is defeated.

                                                            Blackbeard does like his cherry pie. All the more reason to go to Totland.
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                                                            6. Final arc..Straw Hat Pirates (9 crew members) vs Blackbeard Pirates..Luffy vs Blackbeard..Zoro vs Shiryuu..Sanji vs Burgess..Usopp vs Auger..Chopper vs Doc Q..Brook vs Lafitte..Franky vs San Juan..Robin vs Vasco Shot..Nami vs Catarina.

                                                            You forgot Avalo Pizarro and unknown 10th BB commamder.
                                                            And Jinbe and unknown 11th Strawhat.

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                                                                Its the Will of Dellinger, - * steve's paul lynde voice *

                                                                Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                                                So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                                                                  What is clear is that some important character is going to die. Emperors are in another level.

                                                                  Won't happen….even if some important/prominent character dies(which i highly doubt),it will be in the last arc.

                                                                  P.S:By important/prominent,i assumed people on Luffy's side.

                                                                  “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                                    It's more likely someone dies against Kaido than having Oda follow the cliche of someone dying in the final battle just to raise tension and make it seem more important. I seriously doubt anyone will die in the final war.

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                                                                      It's more likely someone dies against Kaido than having Oda follow the cliche of someone dying in the final battle just to raise tension and make it seem more important.

                                                                      Law would be a candidate, but he was already against Doffy shown to be bullet proof and he had a shining plot armor.

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                                                                        It's the Will of Darude.

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                                                                          I think it'd be a good time to start theorizing on how Brulee can be taken down.
                                                                          Now you'd think Chopper in his huge form would be big enough for a little mirror not to matter, and maybe he was but the trees got him, or maybe she can make it that big, or maybe she can even become a copy that big.
                                                                          But it seems like she could be taken down from a hit from behind or below (i.e. a punch from Luffy through the ground and back up), or– even when copied-- simply thrown into the ocean.
                                                                          Of course, the real question is, how will she be taken down? Maybe Pedro does a little sneaky-sneak and ends up behind her? Luffy punches her from underground or loops a punch from behind as I suggested earlier? What do you think?

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                                                                            Would be awesome to see Sanji take out pops and gain control of Germa 66. Would be very useful in fighting Kaidou.

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                                                                              I think Brook will be very important in bringing down Big Mom.

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                                                                                I think it'd be a good time to start theorizing on how Brulee can be taken down.
                                                                                Now you'd think Chopper in his huge form would be big enough for a little mirror not to matter, and maybe he was but the trees got him, or maybe she can make it that big, or maybe she can even become a copy that big.
                                                                                But it seems like she could be taken down from a hit from behind or below (i.e. a punch from Luffy through the ground and back up), or– even when copied-- simply thrown into the ocean.
                                                                                Of course, the real question is, how will she be taken down? Maybe Pedro does a little sneaky-sneak and ends up behind her? Luffy punches her from underground or loops a punch from behind as I suggested earlier? What do you think?

                                                                                Im thinking nami uses her strategry and perfect climatact to outflank her mirror and strike her down freeing chopper and carrot

                                                                                Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:

                                                                                So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?

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                                                                                  Somebody has posted this theory, and it makes perfect sense.
                                                                                  Why was Ace able to touch Teach during their fight? Because he was exposed to light. And the "cover" he used against White Beard also reinforces the theory.

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                                                                                    ! http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/31/1470484859-image.jpeg

                                                                                    Somebody has posted this theory, and it makes perfect sense.
                                                                                    Why was Ace able to touch Teach during their fight? Because he was exposed to light. And the "cover" he used against White Beard also reinforces the theory.

                                                                                    He totally explains here that light has not to do with it.
                                                                                    http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/441/19

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                                                                                      ! [qimg]http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/31/1470484859-image.jpeg[/qimg]

                                                                                      Somebody has posted this theory, and it makes perfect sense.
                                                                                      Why was Ace able to touch Teach during their fight? Because he was exposed to light. And the "cover" he used against White Beard also reinforces the theory.

                                                                                      As is probably covered by the link above, Blackbeard himself explains the Dark-Dark Fruit is unique among Logia because things can't just pass through him. Also, given what we know now, we can probably presume Ace was a haki user.

                                                                                      Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.

                                                                                      Statler: No you haven't.

                                                                                      Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!

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                                                                                        @KageKageKing:

                                                                                        He totally explains here that light has not to do with it.
                                                                                        http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/441/19

                                                                                        He never said anything that debunks the "light" theory. He's just stating his current understanding of how the fruit works in relation to that specific fight.

                                                                                        @sgamer82:

                                                                                        Also, given what we know now, we can probably presume Ace was a haki user.

                                                                                        Haki as a concept didn't exist in the story back then.

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                                                                                          Haki as a concept didn't exist in the story back then.

                                                                                          Haki existed as something as early as Skypiea. No one's saying Oda had the concept completely ironed out, but it's dumb to think he just invented it out of nowhere in Saobody.

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                                                                                            Haki existed as something as early as Skypiea. No one's saying Oda had the concept completely ironed out, but it's dumb to think he just invented it out of nowhere in Saobody.

                                                                                            Oda apparently had Kng's Ambition as early as Logue Town, in one of those "chapters cut out so we can launch on chapter 100" had a fortune teller looking at Luffy or something… which came up in the novel adapatation or something. Along with Usopp's sniper thing and Sanji hunting for fish or whatever.

                                                                                            ANd obviously the first blackbeard meeting. Oda had it in mind for a loooong time... but yeah, Skypeia is the first really clear on camera example of him definitely having something in mind.

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                                                                                              One could make an argument for shanks giving the seaking that look too

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                                                                                                There was definitely build up for conqueror's haki and observation haki throughout the series, but I can't think of any for armament haki (which is what most people mean when they mention "haki") prior to Saobody.

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                                                                                                Place your bets. Is [AlphaMale/AlphaBro, an obvious ban evader] going to get banned again today, tomorrow, or in a week?

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                                                                                                An actual bet and conversation on the Chapter 905 thread, literally an hour before he got banned again.

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                                                                                                  Greg argued a while back that there is a real case to be made for Zoro having used some form of Haki against Mr 1. It was a very convincing argument IMO. Might look for it if people want to see it and if I can just remember where that was.

                                                                                                  And if one really wants to make a case for Haki having existed at least conceptually all throughout the manga, obviously from chapter 1 with Shanks, one might say that Luffy kicking the real Mr 3 at Little Garden in one go was more than just "instinct". But that is the most speculative one of all.

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                                                                                                    @MrBits:

                                                                                                    There was definitely build up for conqueror's haki and observation haki throughout the series, but I can't think of any for armament haki (which is what most people mean when they mention "haki") prior to Saobody.

                                                                                                    Armament is the LAST one people think about when they mention Haki lol.
                                                                                                    There's the thing where people knock people out with their willpower, and the thing where its like a sixth sense. Both aspects showing up earlier, and being suggested earlier, and actually being interesting.

                                                                                                    The only people who even care about Armament Haki are meathead fight junkys.

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                                                                                                      @wolfwood:

                                                                                                      One could make an argument for shanks giving the seaking that look too

                                                                                                      There's an argument sure, and retroactively it certainly was, but it really feels weak and like it would have come up a bit more strongly sooner if Oda had it that early.

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                                                                                                      Armament is the LAST one people think about when they mention Haki lol.
                                                                                                      There's the thing where people knock people out with their willpower, and the thing where its like a sixth sense. Both aspects showing up earlier, and being suggested earlier, and actually being interesting.

                                                                                                      The only people who even care about Armament Haki are meathead fight junkys.

                                                                                                      Armament is also the worst because its the one that does feel tacked on and added late for the sake of a pure powerup… especially the blackening efect Oda added post-timeskip because having it be invisible clearly wasn't working.

                                                                                                      It'd go a long way if some character or another that's awakening theirs were to not see it one panel, and then be able to see it in the next... that would have at least pushed the "It was always there, ours leads were just too novice to notice." The war would have been the perfect time.

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                                                                                                        @KageKageKing:

                                                                                                        He totally explains here that light has not to do with it.

                                                                                                        He doesn't refer to "light" at all, but I get what you mean.

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                                                                                                        @sgamer82:

                                                                                                        As is probably covered by the link above, Blackbeard himself explains the Dark-Dark Fruit is unique among Logia because things can't just pass through him.

                                                                                                        This is true, yet I'll join SomeRandomGuy in his statement:
                                                                                                        "He's just stating his current understanding of how the fruit works in relation to that specific fight."

                                                                                                        @Monkey:

                                                                                                        Armament is the LAST one people think about when they mention Haki lol.

                                                                                                        It's not.
                                                                                                        Especially when what we're actually talking about is devil fruit intangibility.

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