Nothing wrong with wiki if you just turn your brain on and check references if available.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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Zoro didn't became a bounty hunter, he only captured few guys out of paying food and to repair his swords, he got this name after that, but he said it many times he wasn't a bounty hunter.
You should provide some images of times when Zoro said such a thing, or else you're just going to continue getting piled on.
In the anime we had a flashback about Zoro and how he met up johnny and yosaku btw.
Word to the wise, not a good idea to use the anime as a reference point in this sub-forum.
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Suggesting anyone to read
One Piece wikia is not the smartest thing to do in itself either.
That site was full of shit the last time I checked.If he knows nothing about zoro then even the wiki would get him started the opening sentence of the wiki calls Zoro a bounty hunter so even the wiki knows that he is a bounty hunter lol.
the main problem with the wiki is them thinking everyone dies but the rest of the stuff is normally quoted from the manga.
A counter reply saying to read the wiki is as fail as saying Zoro wasn't a bounty hunter
Not when the opening sentence of the wiki calls Zoro a bounty hunter so even the wiki knows that he is a bounty hunter lol.
Coby even said Zoro was a bounty hunter back when luffy rescued him.
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You should provide some images of times when Zoro said such a thing, or else you're just going to continue getting piled on.
Word to the wise, not a good idea to use the anime as a reference point in this sub-forum.
That scene in the anime actually said that Zoro was a famous bounty hunter as well.
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@sanji''s_dad:
That scene in the anime actually said that Zoro was a famous bounty hunter as well.
Oh dear.
Not only irrelevant because of the medium but also not in agreement with the argument?
Bad times.
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Oh dear.
Not only irrelevant because of the medium but also not in agreement with the argument?
Bad times.
And it's ironic that one has Sanji in his nick and the other Zoro…
I feel bad
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Suggesting anyone to read One Piece wikia is not the smartest thing to do in itself either.
That site was full of shit the last time I checked.No it's not. Quit getting salty because Monet is rightfully assumed to be dead after being stabbed in the heart in an exploding vacant building.
Nothing wrong with wiki if you just turn your brain on and check references if available.
Thank you.
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You should provide some images of times when Zoro said such a thing, or else you're just going to continue getting piled on.
I'm all good bro, the spite of frogs can't reach the white dove
Back when Johnny and Yosaku met Zoro at the bar and when Zoro slashed the pirate, they came at Zoro saying that he must follow the hunter rules and Zoro said he wasn't a hunter, he just needed money.
He just caught few here and there to pay for food and swords, even Robin called him pirate hunter and Zoro said don't call me that, Robin asked who gave him such a lovely name and he said it doesn't concern him (after alabasta when she joined the crew)
I don't have much time to hunt if there is anything in the manga but that's all i can say, if people are being disrespectful and using harsh words it's their concern not mine, it's all good ^_^ -
No it's not. Quit getting salty because Monet is rightfully assumed to be dead after being stabbed in the heart in an exploding vacant building.
You should just go ahead and change your name to SomeWrongGuy, because you've been spree dropping incredibly wrong ideas and assertions recently.
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Back when Johnny and Yosaku met Zoro at the bar and when Zoro slashed the pirate, they came at Zoro saying that he must follow the hunter rules and Zoro said he wasn't a hunter, he just needed money.
That… Never happened?
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Back when Johnny and Yosaku met Zoro at the bar and when Zoro slashed the pirate, they came at Zoro saying that he must follow the hunter rules and Zoro said he wasn't a hunter, he just needed money.
None of this is a thing that ever happened.
He just caught few here and there to pay for food and swords,
Nope.
Zoro got lost at sea when he left home, and to make ends meet he started catching pirates for money. A thing called "bounty hunting".
This didn't just happened a few times, it kept happening all the way until he met Luffy.
How do we know this?
Well shucks.
-Because he became infamous for it and got a nickname based off of it.
-Because that infamy was so great that Baroque Works heard about it and attempted to recruit him.It is completely false to claim it was just a few times done at random.
even Robin called him pirate hunter and Zoro said don't call me that
Which scene was that? Because I 100% guarantee that either that scene doesn't exist (is anime filler), or you're completely misreading the dialogue.
Zoro has never at any point denied having been a bounty hunter. I mean fuck, one of the first things he says to Luffy is that he'll catch a pirate for him, and give him the money if Luffy unties him from the post lolll.Robin asked who gave him such a lovely name and he said it doesn't concern him (after alabasta when she joined the crew)
Yeah that sounds like anime filler, so it didn't happened.
I don't have much time to hunt if there is anything in the manga but that's all i can say, if people are being disrespectful and using harsh words it's their concern not mine, it's all good ^_^
I felt bad for how harsh some of the other posts were being, but the fact that you are actually doubling down on your incredibly wrong assertions makes me lose sympathy.
Just to reiterate: You are entirely wrong about everything you're saying about Zoro.
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He just caught few here and there to pay for food and swords, even Robin called him pirate hunter and Zoro said don't call me that, Robin asked who gave him such a lovely name and he said it doesn't concern him (after alabasta when she joined the crew)
Even if what you say is right, let me ask you this:
If someone is being a builder for example, but hates it and gets angry whenever someone calls him that. Does his own dislike of his job make him any less of a builder? No.
and the main thing: he wouldn't get the nickname ACCIDENTALLY in the first place. The fact that he was considered bounty hunter is enough to make him a bounty hunter, he needn't send a cv, take an interview and sign contract for it.!
Doing bounty hunting for a living means you are a bounty hunter! Whether you liked it or not. Simple as that.
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No it's not. Quit getting salty because Monet is rightfully assumed to be dead after being stabbed in the heart in an exploding vacant building.
And you quit assuming things about people~
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Doing bounty hunting for a living means you are a bounty hunter! Whether you liked it or not. Simple as that.
I figured that scene was part of what he was thinking of, but the official English translation goes more like this for the first panel.
Luffy: I thought you were known as the holy terror of the seas!
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@Monkey:
I felt bad for how harsh some of the other posts were being, but the fact that you are actually doubling down on your incredibly wrong assertions makes me lose sympathy.
Just to reiterate: You are entirely wrong about everything you're saying about Zoro.
Ir can't be Zephos-senpai
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Can someone kindly sticky this? Its starting to get really annoying for this to come up again after the 4651166th discussion.
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@le:
Can someone kindly sticky this? Its starting to get really annoying for this to come up again after the 4651166th discussion.
Give up… She is "dead" and you never will prove otherwise for the doubters
I still will dance in joy if she will be shown... Same as I have LOLed at people believing Sabo is dead
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Give up… She is "dead" and you never will prove otherwise for the doubters
I still will dance in joy if she will be shown... Same as I have LOLed at people believing Sabo is dead
It's not really the same. Sabo surviving had multiple convincing hints over time, one of which was in the very same chapter he died. Monet's survival is a lot less likely. Oh I've no doubt she survived. She could have used her ability to patch up a hole in her heart and maybe make an igloo to protect herself. Stranger things have happened.
Not sure what that stake in the ground is supposed to prove. We saw CC stab the heart. So instead of leaving it in the heart, he stuck it into the ground. Doesn't make Monet's survival a lot less or more likely.
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It's not really the same. Sabo surviving had multiple convincing hints over time, one of which was in the very same chapter he died. Monet's survival is a lot less likely. Oh I've no doubt she survived. She could have used her ability to patch up a hole in her heart and maybe make an igloo to protect herself. Stranger things have happened.
Not sure what that stake in the ground is supposed to prove. We saw CC stab the heart. So instead of leaving it in the heart, he stuck it into the ground. Doesn't make Monet's survival a lot less or more likely.
You know about the whole… There was...
Nahh forget it.
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No it's not.
I seem to remember it listing Doflamingo as dead after Kyros decapitated his clone.
When it comes to things like character names, chapter numbers etc. it's usually a good source.
However, when it comes to anything that needs some common sense/story analysis it's a piece of shit.
Quit getting salty because Monet is rightfully assumed to be dead after being stabbed in the heart in an exploding vacant building.
Rightfully assumed if you've never read One Piece/totally disregarded the way it's been written for years.
Characters do not die unless their death serves a major purpose in the plot.
Otherwise, no matter the seemingly inescapable situations a character is put in, they will survive.
See Pell for details.
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I always liked Pell and I was glad he survived, but that was a beautiful death scene.
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Pell missed his time to die, he will never get such glorious moment again.
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Pell missed his time to die, he will never get such glorious moment again.
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Vivi and her kingdom's troops will most likely join the straw hat in the final war.
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Pell missed his time to die, he will never get such glorious moment again.
Never again. At best, he'll get a short fighting scene against someandsuch of no real importance.
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It's kind of poetic to look at it that way, missing the time to die.
The thing is, that it was law that set up the situations for them to die, back then I was convinced that would be the driving force behind their death, because it wasn't a vilian who killed them, but an ally who could betray them at any moment.
They still need some way to "get together", at least for vergo, Monet's heart will probably be safe buried in snow until the day she dies.
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@sanji''s_dad:
Vivi and her kingdom's troops will most likely join the straw hat in the final war.
Not even bro, just like Razh said!
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It's kind of poetic to look at it that way, missing the time to die.
The thing is, that it was law that set up the situations for them to die, back then I was convinced that would be the driving force behind their death, because it wasn't a vilian who killed them, but an ally who could betray them at any moment.
They still need some way to "get together", at least for vergo, Monet's heart will probably be safe buried in snow until the day she dies.
I would not use the word 'ally' when referring to Law's situation, they clearly knew that Law was not on their side since they have been wary of his movements and Law taking care of Vergo seems good enough to end his character but Monet in the otherhand seem like we can still have her around for a cover story, but the question remains… What can Monet do in her cover story?
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It's not really the same. Sabo surviving had multiple convincing hints over time, one of which was in the very same chapter he died. Monet's survival is a lot less likely. Oh I've no doubt she survived. She could have used her ability to patch up a hole in her heart and maybe make an igloo to protect herself. Stranger things have happened.
Not sure what that stake in the ground is supposed to prove. We saw CC stab the heart. So instead of leaving it in the heart, he stuck it into the ground. Doesn't make Monet's survival a lot less or more likely.
It implies he nicked monet versus the direct stab the anime showed. Monet was already badly injured so the lancing blow was enough to make her pass out
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Not even bro, just like Razh said!
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I would not use the word 'ally' when referring to Law's situation, they clearly knew that Law was not on their side since they have been wary of his movements and Law taking care of Vergo seems good enough to end his character but Monet in the otherhand seem like we can still have her around for a cover story, but the question remains... What can Monet do in her cover story?
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Wtih vivi's dad being sick and most likely dying in the future it will give vivi control over her kingdom plus the guy she married is no push over either he lead the rebel forces in the alabasta war.
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@sanji''s_dad:
Wtih vivi's dad being sick and most likely dying in the future it will give vivi control over her kingdom plus the guy she married is no push over either he lead the rebel forces in the alabasta war.
She hasnt married kohza yet…
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@sanji''s_dad:
Wtih vivi's dad being sick and most likely dying in the future it will give vivi control over her kingdom plus the guy she married is no push over either he lead the rebel forces in the alabasta war.
Bro I'm lost as what are you talking about?
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I think Kuzan found Monet and she's with him and blackbeard.
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I think Kuzan found Monet and she's with him and blackbeard.
That.. gave birth to a weird fanfiction in my mind.
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@Long:
It implies he nicked monet versus the direct stab the anime showed. Monet was already badly injured so the lancing blow was enough to make her pass out
The image that showed him stabbing the heart itself implied that much. To me, anyway. It was pretty shallow and Oda usually draws a peak of the impact, meaning it didn't get much further than that. CC was at the end of his strength anyway.
Anime is not much better than Wikia lately.
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It does make you wonder when her and Vergo are going to show up again, and what they will do next, especially now that the core members of the crew are now in Impel Down.
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I think Kuzan found Monet and she's with him and blackbeard.
Well, maybe don't, but if Kuzan is with Blackbeard, then perhaps he can steal devil fruits powers (if Monet is dead), and Backbeard could have given this power to one of his subordinates. That or what you said. Either way, I think it would be possible (and awesome) because it's One Piece.
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If Vergo and Monet would be alive, wouldn't they have been poisoned by the gas that was surronding the island. I would assume that Doffy after all the family talk he had, would try to look for them after his encounter with Aokiji. If they do come back it is when Doffy escapes from Impel Down. I have a feeling he would get out and try to take on Luffy again, but by that time, Luffy can one hit ko him, after Kaido's fight. Unless they mana
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@Tamiel:
If Vergo and Monet would be alive, wouldn't they have been poisoned by the gas that was surronding the island. I would assume that Doffy after all the family talk he had, would try to look for them after his encounter with Aokiji. If they do come back it is when Doffy escapes from Impel Down. I have a feeling he would get out and try to take on Luffy again, but by that time, Luffy can one hit ko him, after Kaido's fight. Unless they mana
If that were the case, they would have appeared in Dressrosa, but they didn't.
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They would have been captured by the gas maybe and subsequently captured by Marines, who were scouring the place after everything was over. They could easily be prisoners now.
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If that were the case, they would have appeared in Dressrosa, but they didn't.
I'm confused about your answer, which "case"? On my post, which I half wrote and posted, I gave three different possibilities of the aftermath in which it would've made sense for them to come back if they were alive. Another one, when Smoker was reading about Doffy's defeat, he was still transporting the kids, so if the marines would have captured Vergo and Monet, I'd find it weird that Oda wouldn't show them while Smoker reads. Or at least allude that he had a prisoner connected, but nothing. By your post, I think you are on the side that both of them are dead, but what you don't know is that they indeed still live on. Forever, in Sniper island. Lulu laala luuuiu~
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If that were the case, they would have appeared in Dressrosa, but they didn't.
doflamingo did not really have time to find them since the straw hats were going to dressrosa i think both of them passed out making it hard to find them as well if they will most likely get a cover story after the reverie royal meeting in the holyland cover storys are over.
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….Jinbe's ship position....will be a name....made up by....him....similar to his....potential plan naming quirk....my guess is....Master-Fishman-Karate-At-Arms...or..Fishman-Karate-Master-At-Arms........
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-at-arms! A master-at-arms (US: MA; UK: & Pakistan MAA) may be a naval rating, responsible for law enforcement, regulating duties, security and force protection; an army officer responsible for physical training; or a member of the crew of a merchant ship (usually a passenger vessel) responsible for security and law enforcement.
! Besides being chiefs of police at sea, the sea corporals, as they were called in the British Navy, they had to be qualified in close order fighting under arms and able to train seamen in hand-to-hand combat. In the days of sail, the master-at-arms were truly "masters at arms." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-at-arms! A Man-at-arms was a type of soldier of the High Medieval to Renaissance periods. He was almost always a professional warrior in the sense of being well-trained in the use of arms, who served as a fully armoured heavy cavalryman.[a] A man-at-arms could be a knight or nobleman, a member of a knight or nobleman's retinue or a mercenary in a company under a mercenary captain. Such men could serve for pay or through a feudal obligation. The terms knight and man-at-arms are often used interchangeably, but while all knights equipped for war certainly were men-at-arms, not all men-at-arms were knights.
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….Jinbe's ship position....will be a name....made up by....him....similar to his....potential plan naming quirk....my guess is....Master-Fishman-Karate-At-Arms........
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-at-arms! A master-at-arms (US: MA; UK: & Pakistan MAA) may be a naval rating, responsible for law enforcement, regulating duties, security and force protection; an army officer responsible for physical training; or a member of the crew of a merchant ship (usually a passenger vessel) responsible for security and law enforcement.
! Besides being chiefs of police at sea, the sea corporals, as they were called in the British Navy, they had to be qualified in close order fighting under arms and able to train seamen in hand-to-hand combat. In the days of sail, the master-at-arms were truly "masters at arms." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-at-arms! A Man-at-arms was a type of soldier of the High Medieval to Renaissance periods. He was almost always a professional warrior in the sense of being well-trained in the use of arms, who served as a fully armoured heavy cavalryman.[a] A man-at-arms could be a knight or nobleman, a member of a knight or nobleman's retinue or a mercenary in a company under a mercenary captain. Such men could serve for pay or through a feudal obligation. The terms knight and man-at-arms are often used interchangeably, but while all knights equipped for war certainly were men-at-arms, not all men-at-arms were knights.
Helmsman,lifeguard,fisherman,fishman karate master and whale transport he can do all of them and can do the last ones better than anyone on the crew plus he is a strong fighter as well so he does not need a important position like nami has also he can call whales for help so he does not even need to jump in water to rescue devil fruit users that fall in the water or can use them to transport the straw hats to islands or enemy ships.
He already has a room on the ship waiting for him the fishtank also jesus was the helmsman on the blackbeard pirates so it's a spot that can be done as a job on a ship lol.
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I was thinking about BM´s ability.
While we can´t be entirely sure, what proportions her ability will have, her attack name of "Life or Treat" could at least give us already a hint how to confront it.
Seeing it based on the trick or treat tradition, she might be limited to use her ability as long as her opened can fulfill her wish.
So when he pleases her treat, she can´t take his life, while she takes his life when he can´t.
That said it would be still be way to overpowered when she could just demand whatever comes into her mind.
Maybe her ability just works when someone asks her a favor, so that she can use her ability on him in return.
Muscat asked her to stop rampaging, while she gave him the task to give her what she wants.
That way Luffy could be confronted with her abilities when he asks for Sanji,FI and the road poneglyph.
So to defeat her(or at least get a favour from her, Luffy has to please certain treats for her or his life will be taken.
Problem could be how long someone has to fulfill her wish, but that way it is "possible" to go against such a broken ability.
Also Sanji would be more than handy by that and would get a major role to defeat her, while not actually having to defeat her in a fight to the bitter end. -
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I was thinking about BM´s ability.
While we can´t be entirely sure, what proportions her ability will have, her attack name of "Life or Treat" could at least give us already a hint how to confront it.
Seeing it based on the trick or treat tradition, she might be limited to use her ability as long as her opened can fulfill her wish.
So when he pleases her treat, she can´t take his life, while she takes his life when he can´t.
That said it would be still be way to overpowered when she could just demand whatever comes into her mind.
Maybe her ability just works when someone asks her a favor, so that she can use her ability on him in return.
Muscat asked her to stop rampaging, while she gave him the task to give her what she wants.
That way Luffy could be confronted with her abilities when he asks for Sanji,FI and the road poneglyph.
So to defeat her(or at least get a favour from her, Luffy has to please certain treats for her or his life will be taken.
Problem could be how long someone has to fulfill her wish, but that way it is "possible" to go against such a broken ability.
Also Sanji would be more than handy by that and would get a major role to defeat her, while not actually having to defeat her in a fight to the bitter end.While an interesting observation the problem is I would think that her family and crew would know have known about it and how to counter it properly. The son she killed didn't seem to know about it otherwise he would have stayed away. They also specify it as "one of her tantrums" so it seems like something that happens regularly unrelated to her DF. Obviously she did user her DF powers but I don't think the tantrum had anything to do with it.
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While an interesting observation the problem is I would think that her family and crew would know have known about it and how to counter it properly. The son she killed didn't seem to know about it otherwise he would have stayed away. They also specify it as "one of her tantrums" so it seems like something that happens regularly unrelated to her DF. Obviously she did user her DF powers but I don't think the tantrum had anything to do with it.
You know how sometimes you think you can solve a problem because you've seen it done before, but then you actually get to doing it and realize it's not as easy as it looks and you start to get cold feet, so that even though you know the theory, you end up making mistakes anyway?
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I'm confused about your answer, which "case"? On my post, which I half wrote and posted, I gave three different possibilities of the aftermath in which it would've made sense for them to come back if they were alive. Another one, when Smoker was reading about Doffy's defeat, he was still transporting the kids, so if the marines would have captured Vergo and Monet, I'd find it weird that Oda wouldn't show them while Smoker reads. Or at least allude that he had a prisoner connected, but nothing. By your post, I think you are on the side that both of them are dead, but what you don't know is that they indeed still live on. Forever, in Sniper island. Lulu laala luuuiu~
Well, we don't know if they're alive or not, but Oda doesn't kill characters so easily. What I was trying to say is that if they were alive and they were still allies of Doflamingo, they would have appeared in Dressrosa, like Baby 5 of Buffalo.
That's why I think that if they're still alive, they probably are captured by marines or they became Blackbeard's subordinates, through Aokiji.
And if they're dead, maybe Yuki Yuki no mi is in the hands of Blackbeard now.
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@Don:
I was thinking about BM´s ability.
While we can´t be entirely sure, what proportions her ability will have, her attack name of "Life or Treat" could at least give us already a hint how to confront it.
Seeing it based on the trick or treat tradition, she might be limited to use her ability as long as her opened can fulfill her wish.
So when he pleases her treat, she can´t take his life, while she takes his life when he can´t.
That said it would be still be way to overpowered when she could just demand whatever comes into her mind.
Maybe her ability just works when someone asks her a favor, so that she can use her ability on him in return.
Muscat asked her to stop rampaging, while she gave him the task to give her what she wants.
That way Luffy could be confronted with her abilities when he asks for Sanji,FI and the road poneglyph.
So to defeat her(or at least get a favour from her, Luffy has to please certain treats for her or his life will be taken.
Problem could be how long someone has to fulfill her wish, but that way it is "possible" to go against such a broken ability.
Also Sanji would be more than handy by that and would get a major role to defeat her, while not actually having to defeat her in a fight to the bitter end.life or treat is very simple you either give up your life or you give her a treat (sweet food) kind of like trick or treat.
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As far as I know, Big Mom's DF power only works if you fear her. When your fear overwhelms you, she speeds up your expiration date. With this knowledge, we automatically know her power won't work on Luffy because he's a fearless idiot who runs headfirst into danger (most of the time). Idk if Jinbei is really afraid of her but I'd like to think that even someone super intimidating like Big Mom can make him squirm. But would Brook be affected by her powers since he has no life expectancy?
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What are the chances muscat isnt really dead?
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@Bond:
You know how sometimes you think you can solve a problem because you've seen it done before, but then you actually get to doing it and realize it's not as easy as it looks and you start to get cold feet, so that even though you know the theory, you end up making mistakes anyway?
That's probably what happened to Muscat.Truer words have never been more spoken.
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Well, we don't know if they're alive or not, but Oda doesn't kill characters so easily. What I was trying to say is that if they were alive and they were still allies of Doflamingo, they would have appeared in Dressrosa, like Baby 5 of Buffalo.
That's why I think that if they're still alive, they probably are captured by marines or they became Blackbeard's subordinates, through Aokiji.
And if they're dead, maybe Yuki Yuki no mi is in the hands of Blackbeard now.
Yeah it is true that Oda doesn't kill characters that easily. In this situation like I mentioned before, if the marines had captured them, then what unit what that be? The only ones there when the Punk Hazard story happened was Smoker's unit. So if Vergo and Monet were prisoners of the marines, 99% chance it was Smoker who captured them. 1% chance another random marine unit showed up and picked them up. It could be possible that Aokiji found them, and gave Monet a heart made out of ice. There is a slight chance that Aokiji got her fruit, he is carrying a bag while he was fighting Mingo, but I kinda feel I'm just trying to stretch possibilities under the premise you gave me.