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Looooong Ass weekly X:
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@Satsuki Does that mean Castro was a Kryptonian, too?
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This is the kind of Emma Frost degeneracy the X-Men '97 showrunner has been warning us about.
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From Sins of Sinister to Sins of Frost.
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If you support womens' rights you need to support womens' wrongs, too!
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Depends on the wrongs
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It's a meme! Don't think too hard about it!
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I wasn’t.
Just being snarky especially in light of seeing the Onion pissing off some Rowling fans on Twitter.
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@Time-Control-Magician said in Western Comics thread:
I wasn’t.
Just being snarky especially in light of seeing the Onion pissing off some Rowling fans on Twitter.
Oh, yeah, no, I could tell you weren't taking it seriously. Sorry, the internet can be hard to get nuance across.
But yeaaaaaaah, fuck that Wizard lady.
Anyhoo, the new Superman #1 came out. Lois Lane continues to be portrayed as being into kinky sex, which is just hilarious as all get-out to me.
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@JulieYBM said in Western Comics thread:
Lois Lane continues to be portrayed as being into kinky sex, which is just hilarious as all get-out to me.
Gotta explore when Lex Luthor is the only one to own enough kryptonite to make a d....
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@pariston_hill said in Western Comics thread:
@JulieYBM said in Western Comics thread:
Lois Lane continues to be portrayed as being into kinky sex, which is just hilarious as all get-out to me.
Gotta explore when Lex Luthor is the only one to own enough kryptonite to make a d....
Oh, I'm sure Clark would love that.
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IIt's almost as if... we had years of shared experiences that aren't there anymore. Like... some kind of devil erased twenty years of memories I had with her and I can't remember ever actually being in a serious relationship with her for some reason. We never even had sex once in all the years we were living together, isn't that weird?
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Has anyone ever seriously gone to bat for the Peter/Felicia ship, I know the entire reason she exists is because they wanted Catwoman but it's always seemed to me that no one working at Marvel actually considers it worthwhile.
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No, but she's gotten very popular in recent years so Marvel probably added 1 + 1 together and paired them up. Of course, Black Cat fans also hate this ship so Marvel outdid themselves by pissing off two fanbases this time. Also a possibility that Marvel is betting on the MCU introducing Felicia in upcoming Spider-Man movies as a love interest.
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@Cyan-D-Funk said in Western Comics thread:
Has anyone ever seriously gone to bat for the Peter/Felicia ship, I know the entire reason she exists is because they wanted Catwoman but it's always seemed to me that no one working at Marvel actually considers it worthwhile.
Considering all the times they’ve tanked any of his romantic relationships you can say that about them all.
@Robby said in Western Comics thread:
We never even had sex once in all the years we were living together?
Guess he wants to save that radioactive sperm for someone else.
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@Cyan-D-Funk said in Western Comics thread:
Has anyone ever seriously gone to bat for the Peter/Felicia ship, I know the entire reason she exists is because they wanted Catwoman but it's always seemed to me that no one working at Marvel actually considers it worthwhile.
Fifty years ago when she first showed up and was one of a dozen women Peter flirted with.
But over the decades of development (barring the devil erasing continuity) it became pretty clear that they were not a good fit. She kind of worked as a jealous ex in the late 80's/early 90's after Peter and MJ got married... but they've never been a good couple aside from looking good together on covers.
The fact that she's such a blatant Catwoman expy, even all this time later, doesn't help.
Kitty Pryde was kind of an interesting hook up in the Ultimate universe, but that lasted all of two arcs before they ditched it and made Kitty a bitter third wheel to MJ,
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Well given how strong status quo is isn’t going to last unfortunately.
Still waiting on Norman to lose his shit and go back to being the Green Goblin or some bastardization of him.
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I always liked the Kitty and Spider Man relationship, I wonder how that would work out in the 616 universe, a third Peter
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@Shiebs said in Western Comics thread:
I always like the Kitty and Spider Man relationship, I wonder how that would work out in the 616 universe, a third Peter
They were the same age in Ultimate but there'd be a pretty big age gap in 616. It's impossible to accurately track character ages, especially when they can age differently in other dimensions or timetravel and timeskips that aren't reflected by the entire company or whatever and we've condensed decades of real time... but Kitty should still be early 20's and Peter well into his mid or late 30's.
Of course Kitty always hooks up with older men because the writers always forgot just how young she was when she first appeared and she was being treated as an adult even when she was 13. (Like she canonically dated and had sexual relationships all over the place before she was 18 and its a little squick. Editorial usually did the math and put a stop to things but not always.)
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@Robby said in Western Comics thread:
@Shiebs said in Western Comics thread:
I always like the Kitty and Spider Man relationship, I wonder how that would work out in the 616 universe, a third Peter
They were the same age in Ultimate but there'd be a pretty big age gap in 616. It's impossible to accurately track character ages, especially when they can age differently in other dimensions or timetravel or whatever... but Kitty should still be early 20's and Peter well into his mid 30's.
Of course Kitty always hooks up with older men because the writers always forgot just how young she was when she first appeared.
Oh lol that’s a great point
That reminds me of when I told a friend I always wanted to see Nightcrawler and Blink in a relationship together after reading exiles (multicolored elf like characters that can both teleport) and he reminded me that 616 version is much younger
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Blink is an interesting character because I liked her in Phalanx saga and then she died, because she was created just for that purpose.
The Age of Apocalypse happened and she had that badass alt version that became super popular... so she sort of got repurposed to lead Exiles. Always weird.
Exiles was a really good book in general for a long time too, though it started falling off with the later writing teams.
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@Robby I stopped reading right before Mimic died, I was pretty upset when I heard that happened, it’s hard to write a series where they go on missions and it’s built up that anyone on the team could die or be replaced at any moment, and not feel overly attached to characters who survived long periods of time on the team
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@Shiebs said in Western Comics thread:
I always liked the Kitty and Spider Man relationship, I wonder how that would work out in the 616 universe, a third Peter
Fourth (Peter Rasputin, Peter Wisdom, Peter Quill).
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There are times when I crave to go back to the classics and this day was one of them so I re-read Kingdom Come and my god, what a masterpiece. It's like a mirror to the Watchmen, just as good, but hopeful. There's no one better than Alex Ross.
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I've never been able to get into Kingdom Come. Putting aside the art being stiff and not flowing well I really don't find the story relatable. McKay isn't a relatable POV and the story just doesn't engage at all with the idea of real world politics. Superman wants to uphold the flawed system, Magog wants to kill because...I don't even recall and Batman is just being Batman. The story feels very much like a strawman. Where are the political group representing oppressed minorities who use violence to obtain political equality? Why would Clark leave behind people like that? Why are younger heroes all portrayed as amoral psychopaths when historically youth have led the movement for violence as a response to fascist states and police? I've really enjoyed how fun Waid's current Batman/Superman series is but Kingdom Come as a work just doesn't work.
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Marvels holds up really well also. I haven't read or liked everything Alex Ross has done but his art is always solid.
I recently read Ross's Fantastic Four story, Full Circle. And the story didn't set the world on fire, but man, the ART. Super trippy and crazy color choices, it was a treat just to look at, doing stuff and making choices comics haven't done in decades.
Also, after James Gunn made his "these are the books the new DC movies are being inspired by" I went and checked out Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow (by Tom King and Bilquis Everly). I haven't read much of Tom King's stuff, but this was pretty good. In particular the art and colors were just fantastic throughout. I want a deluxe version printed on nicer paper.
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@JulieYBM said in Western Comics thread:
Why are younger heroes all portrayed as amoral psychopaths when historically youth have led the movement for violence as a response to fascist states and police?
Because they're bored hedonists with superpowers who have killed/neutralized every villain worth caring about and thus have nothing to do but fight each other over territory, the whole damn point of the younger heroes is that Magog made it so that lethal force was the only force worth using and so none of them care about things like "collateral damage" or "accepting surrender."
Hence why Magog brings Captain Atom to fight a guy who a) doesn't want to fight anymore and b) can easily rip Captain Atom open and then blow up Kansas.
Ross has plenty to say about how the older generation of heroes has mostly abrogated responsibility and grown distant from the people they should ostensibly be saving, see Superman moping in the Fortress, Green Lantern living full-time in orbit waiting for an alien threat that never comes, Flash being completely unable to interact with people despite being everywhere at once, and Batman having Gotham patrolled by robots who arrest Fat Albert and his friends.
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Yeah, I felt it had a lot to say and it said it well. I'm not an critic so I can't explain why Kingdom Come works so well for me, but it does.
The comic almost makes me nostalgic for those old 40-50s stories which in reality are kinda simplistic and crappy (but had a good heart). It's like a neat magic trick.And once again, that art, goddamn.
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I wonder what author will have the next X-Men run after Jonathan Hickman’s run
And what they’ll do with the series
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I hope that when it comes time to wrap up the Krakoa stuff (because it's not a sustainable status quo from any perspective) they bring Hickman back to finish up his plans for it.
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Can anyone tell me where I can find the first one of these?
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/vote-x-men-election-2022
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/2023-x-men-election-begins-now-polls-open
With the multiple characters you can choose from and there names/profiles
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Why is everyone involved with that goddamned cartoon always demanding constant deference and adoration? Constantly shitting on every X-Men comic, videogame, cartoon and movie (and all the actors and creatives who work on them). Constantly demanding a reboot of the show and still whining for more more more when Disney actualy gave it to them. Dude, Steve Blum's been voicing Wolverine for NINETEEN YEARS. Nobody cares you voiced him for five years in the '90s (and were preceded by Australian Wolverine so not even your claim of being the original voice is correct).
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As much as I enjoyed the watching the '92 X-men as a kid, all this nostalgia wanking is getting really creepy. It was a good show, it wasn't a masterpiece. Get over it.
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It's always embarassing to seen grown adults acting so self-entitled. Like, honey, please...people other than you are allowed to make art.
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As much as I rather hear someone else voicing Wolverine Cal Dodd isn’t really on my shortlist of people to takeover for Blum.
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Bringing back Scott McNeil would be fun.
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Right now Humble Bundle is doing a deal where they're packaging ALL of Elfquest for 23.95.
Elfquest is one of THE formative books for me, I've been collecting it since 95 or 96. Wendy and Richard Pini did an amazing thing and are among the dedicated comic greats I mentioned the other day, having spent FORTY YEARS telling this tale. Great characters, epic scope, fantastic art, storytelling you don't get in mainstream comics.
It's a thing I love enough that I've bought it as the original comics, as marvel comics, as trade reprints in paperback and hardcover, and in trade again in black and white... plus the numerous art books and things.This is a super easy way to get the entire thing* for 25$, AND help out a charity. It's not everyone, and a lot of the love and understanding messaging feels a bit... 70's... but it IS a story of love and war and hate that spans centuries and it is good.
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A poor super hero museum was broken in to and had several of their comics stolen:
https://www.alliednews.com/cnhi_network/rare-comic-books-stolen-from-superheroes-museum/article_e4317570-088d-54b2-93d6-8b975f225c7f.htmlSpread the word if any of these comics show up:
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What some people won’t do.
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Joke's on them, they can't read the books nor can they keep them because they're eventually going to degrade.
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Come to say this, to whomever reads Strange Academy.
Meeting Doyle's Dormamommy was not a thing I had in mind. A surprise, but a welcome one. -
Finished rereading Dawn of x just started reading reign of x
Only a few chapters in and I really like it
So many mutants I’ve never heard of before
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Is anyone else super excited for Jonathan Hickman’s G.O.D.S?
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This was made for his 75th anniversary, but I love it so I'm posting it anyway. Happy 85th Anniversary, Superman:
Nothing beats John Williams' theme of course, but I thought Hans Zimmer did a pretty good Superman theme too.
