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    • MikeyDPirate
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      This morning it came down that Funimation file a lawsuit against '1,337 "John Does"' for copyright infringement involving the distribution of One Piece episode 481. It seems to involve BitTorrents since the episode was btained and distributed. The file in question seems to be a fansub and now a rip from the Funi site.

      What is interesting is that Funi is filing suit for a One Piece episode since they could do this for any of their series since it is common knowledge that all and any anime can be found via BitTorrents. So why One Piece and why this episode?

      Details can be found here.

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        @MikeyDPirate:

        This morning it came down that Funimation file a lawsuit against '1,337 "John Does"' for copyright infringement involving the distribution of One Piece episode 481. It seems to involve BitTorrents since the episode was btained and distributed. The file in question seems to be a fansub and now a rip from the Funi site.

        What is interesting is that Funi is filing suit for a One Piece episode since they could do this for any of their series since it is common knowledge that all and any anime can be found via BitTorrents. So why One Piece and why this episode?

        Details can be found here.

        IDK. But this certainly is big news.
        I guess they wanna send out a message. That they want to actually GET more One Piece. But I hope this shows everyone, Funi isn't fucking around. They ARE interested in continuing One Piece and they ARE going to make sure they get what they intended.

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          IDK. But this certainly is big news.
          I guess they wanna send out a message. That they want to actually GET more One Piece. But I hope this shows everyone, Funi isn't fucking around. They ARE interested in continuing One Piece and they ARE going to make sure they get what they intended.

          Which is fine except for the 61,838,154 people who speak the same English Funi dubs it into and yet don't have it made available in their country; like the 508 episodes in Dragon Ball franchise.

          Regardless; I don't bother with the Dub unless I stumble upon a stream.

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          I wonder what was Bale's reaction when the stunt double broke the imax camera?

          Originally Posted by Silvers Rayleigh

          In the United States we don't have much manga around, specifically One Piece, and mainly the newer chapters - Jan 2011

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            Which is fine except for the 61,838,154 people who speak the same English Funi dubs it into and yet don't have it made available in their country; like the 508 episodes in Dragon Ball franchise.

            Regardless; I don't bother with the Dub unless I stumble upon a stream.

            Okay. Your backwards logic amazes me.
            You can view it online. Granted, you can't get a hard copy yet.
            But its online for everyone to view.

            You don't bother with the dub? Great…yet someone else who thinks funi sucks.
            You really aren't entitled to someone elses subs. You know this. Yet you will continue to ignore this fact and watch them anyway.

            482 wasn't a dubbed episode. It was subbed by funimation themselves. That way, they could actually profit on this. Its fine that you don't bother with the dub...I suppose... But the least you could do is watch the subbed episodes on funimations site. At least give them that much respect.

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              Flux lives in the UK. He cannot legally stream it.

              Also, yay for news.

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                Okay. Your backwards logic amazes me.
                You can view it online. Granted, you can't get a hard copy yet.
                But its online for everyone to view.

                You don't bother with the dub? Great…yet someone else who thinks funi sucks.
                You really aren't entitled to someone elses subs. You know this. Yet you will continue to ignore this fact and watch them anyway.

                482 wasn't a dubbed episode. It was subbed by funimation themselves. That way, they could actually profit on this. Its fine that you don't bother with the dub...I suppose... But the least you could do is watch the subbed episodes on funimations site. At least give them that much respect.

                Firstly I cannot view it online.

                Secondly; I know it was subbed by Funi; I was talking about Dubs because uhh, I was talking about Funi dubbing the series in relation to your claim Funi have unwavering plans for the franchise.

                Thirdly; I don't think the Dub 'sucks,' - the Funi Dub is done fantastically. I just can't be bothered with the hassle to watch it anymore, which is why I said 'I don't bother with it anymore.'

                And finally, I didn't download the Sub; nor did I watch it; nor did I claim I am entitled to subs. I don't watch the anime anymore and if it is it's via a fandub on some crappy streaming site and I certainly do not feel, nor did I ever say I was 'entitled' to them.

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                I wonder what was Bale's reaction when the stunt double broke the imax camera?

                Originally Posted by Silvers Rayleigh

                In the United States we don't have much manga around, specifically One Piece, and mainly the newer chapters - Jan 2011

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                  Okay. Your backwards logic amazes me.
                  You can view it online. Granted, you can't get a hard copy yet.
                  But its online for everyone to view.

                  You don't bother with the dub? Great…yet someone else who thinks funi sucks.
                  You really aren't entitled to someone elses subs. You know this. Yet you will continue to ignore this fact and watch them anyway.

                  482 wasn't a dubbed episode. It was subbed by funimation themselves. That way, they could actually profit on this. Its fine that you don't bother with the dub...I suppose... But the least you could do is watch the subbed episodes on funimations site. At least give them that much respect.

                  The problem is that after a few days or so, the episode is transferred over to Hulu, rendering it completely unviewable for any English-speaking non-American fans of One Piece; same goes for any earlier episodes that are uploaded, which are sent straight to Hulu. There were quite a few dubbed episodes that I had wanted to watch to hear how good the performances were, but thanks to those episodes being on Hulu, I can't, despite living about half an hour away from the American border.

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                    Okay. Your backwards logic amazes me.
                    You can view it online. Granted, you can't get a hard copy yet.
                    But its online for everyone to view.

                    Funimation blocks anyone who isn't in the USA.
                    Like me, he can't just watch it online legally.

                    Anyway, this lawsuit is a freaking joke, suing '1,337' anonymous people?
                    What damages have Funi lost exactly?
                    I'd love to see them prove actual loses.

                    Also they want all copies destroyed?
                    On the internet!?

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                      @Megadoomer:

                      The problem is that after a few days or so, the episode is transferred over to Hulu, rendering it completely unviewable for any English-speaking non-American fans of One Piece; same goes for any earlier episodes that are uploaded, which are sent straight to Hulu. There were quite a few dubbed episodes that I had wanted to watch to hear how good the performances were, but thanks to those episodes being on Hulu, I can't, despite living about half an hour away from the American border.

                      Okay. But again, you have the option of watching the subs. That was the problem here. Not the dubs.

                      You can talk about the dubs all you want. Or not considering you can't.
                      Certainly is weird that funimation wants to do that. It is a problem that should be fixed. But I think its just because Hulu sucks.

                      And if you're a half hour away, don't you have the option of buying them? I suppose it would cost a lot more and take longer. But…yeah...

                      The person getting sued is someone who deliberately took funimations sub, put it on their own site and didn't notify funimation of this.

                      But about your dub problem, if they could put One Piece on Itunes I'm sure many of you would be happy campers. But again, thats not what this discussion is about.

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                        This morning it came down that Funimation file a lawsuit against '1,337 "John Does"' f

                        Ugh…why didn't I see this before...
                        1337? This isn't real. Its an elaborate prank by someone.
                        Great...Now I feel so utterly stupid for falling for this...

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                          I thought at first it was a wild coincidence that the number of people sued is 1337. o_0 Is this just a hoax?

                          But uh… http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?id=70096

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                            Hilarious marketing prank, or bizarre coincidence? I'm leaning towards the former.

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                              I'm going to purchase the documents when I get out of [law] school so I can read through them. I don't think it's a prank.

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                                Hilarious marketing prank, or bizarre coincidence? I'm leaning towards the former.

                                It seems legitimate… my boyfriend checked out a legal document and it listed all of them, IP addresses and everything. (No names, mind you, but the free-distribution of these peoples' IP addresses gets to me...)

                                If this is a joke, I'm not sure it would have gone this far :ermm:

                                Although UKers (and elsewhere for that matter) will be pleased to know that none of these people are outside of the US. It's all the people who have no excuse, because they can easily get to Funi's site. (Having said that, I guess I could have stuck with my AnimePrivate subscription, we just got torrents when we caught up with the series because HorribleSubs gets it out faster.. so I guess I don't really have an excuse now I think of it <_< eep..)

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                                  Hey Funi, sup ?

                                  There is not one single thing in my country that's connected to One Piece, not even a figure or fan shop haha. I think i DLed EP 481 via torrent XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD… Or was it Ep482?

                                  Nah. It was 482 :D. I dled 481 via MU.

                                  Well I can't be sued anyways.

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                                    So does this lawsuit cover the Funi sub, or all fansubs of 481?

                                    I would think it's the former, which is understandable, I can't see how they can claim any intellectual property on anything other than their dub and sub, since the original series would be copyrighted by Toei and it would be their series.

                                    At least I think this is the case?

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                                      Need to see many different people post about how they're actually getting sued before I believe it. 1,337 does seem to be a weird random number, and it seems weird that Funi would do anything other than warn them at first.

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                                        Wait a minute, what is so special about the number 1337? Is it some kind of magical, elite number? 👅

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                                          @Tahkyn:

                                          Wait a minute, what is so special about the number 1337? Is it some kind of magical, elite number? 👅

                                          Yeah….. eleet 😛

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                                            @Tahkyn:

                                            Wait a minute, what is so special about the number 1337? Is it some kind of magical, elite number? 👅

                                            Elite is…one way of putting it...
                                            Its basically "internet speak" or as I like to put it "stupid speak".

                                            Here is an example sentence:
                                            D00Dz!!! i LiEk T0tAllY |_Uv oNe P|eCE!!11!!

                                            ....yep...

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                                              'Guess i'll go check Tokyotosho and download that episode 3 or 4 extra times just to mock them

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                                                'Guess i'll go check Tokyotosho and download that episode 3 or 4 extra times just to mock them

                                                Yeah you show them whose boss, brah.

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                                                  What a weird development. I will be following this closely to see if funi can get anywhere with this lawsuit.

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                                                    From what I been told it seems legit. You can view the legal document if you want to pony up the cash (I think it is about five dollars). The report contains only IP address within the US since that is who Funi can go over since they own the rights to them. If Madmen (Australia) and whoever hold the rights in France did team up with Funi then they can go after IP addresses in France and Australia.

                                                    Also it seem that it is for the fansub of Episode 481. Funimation only seems to care about it being in the US which makes sense.

                                                    I do find it funny a bit that Funi is going after 1337 people who pirated an anime about pirates though. haha Maybe that is why Funi decided to sue over One Piece to just go with it the 'joke'. Either way it is serious since they are willing to put up money and time to gather the IP addresses and willing to find the names that go with them.

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                                                      @frog261642:

                                                      Elite is…one way of putting it...
                                                      Its basically "internet speak" or as I like to put it "stupid speak".

                                                      Here is an example sentence:
                                                      D00Dz!!! ! 1!3k T0t411Y 1u/ 0N3 P!3C3!!11!!

                                                      ….yep...

                                                      Fixed :>…......

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                                                        What a weird development. I will be following this closely to see if funi can get anywhere with this lawsuit.

                                                        I hope they can't.

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                                                          @Yuugi's:

                                                          Flux lives in the UK. He cannot legally stream it.

                                                          Also, yay for news.

                                                          Neither can I.

                                                          Say hello to "Veoh and Hulu will not work in your country".

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                                                            'Guess i'll go check Tokyotosho and download that episode 3 or 4 extra times just to mock them

                                                            Yeah. You do that. :getlost:

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                                                              Say hello to "Veoh and Hulu will not work in your country".

                                                              I live outside the US and I just stream Funi's site through a proxy server, perhaps that will work for Hulu and Veoh too. :ninja:

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                                                                I have no sympathy for people who live in America and still download the newest One Piece episodes. I have no sympathy at all. So go for it FUNimation! These people have no excuse at all.

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                                                                  @Tahkyn:

                                                                  I live outside the US and I just stream Funi's site through a proxy server, perhaps that will work for Hulu and Veoh too. :ninja:

                                                                  Hmm…you mean...that with a little bit of effort...you can watch episodes outside of your own country? /gasp/

                                                                  No. Thats impossible!!! sarcasm
                                                                  Thank you so much for this post. And to the rest of you, SHOVE IT!!! 👅

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                                                                    I have no sympathy for people who live in America and still download the newest One Piece episodes. I have no sympathy at all. So go for it FUNimation! These people have no excuse at all.

                                                                    You've probably alienated a great chunk of people on the forum now :ninja:

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                                                                      Hmm…you mean...that with a little bit of effort...you can watch episodes outside of your own country? /gasp/

                                                                      No. Thats impossible!!! sarcasm
                                                                      Thank you so much for this post. And to the rest of you, SHOVE IT!!! 👅

                                                                      Oh so now it's okay to use proxies to dupe websites into giving content to people who by Funi's definition, shouldn't be getting it ?

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                                                                      In the United States we don't have much manga around, specifically One Piece, and mainly the newer chapters - Jan 2011

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                                                                        If people live in the US (and the people being sued all live in the US), and have access to the latest episode of One Piece, fully subtitled and put online roughly an hour and a half after it airs in Japan, why bother pirating it? It's not like they'll lose access to the episode. It's always there. On Hulu/Funimation's site and can be watched anytime.

                                                                        Still. I find this lawsuit business a little bit drastic…

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                                                                          @No:

                                                                          You've probably alienated a great chunk of people on the forum now :ninja:

                                                                          And I honestly couldn't care less. If you live in America you have access to this Simulcast, and you still choose to download the episodes instead that is your own problem.

                                                                          I'd say this would be unfair if it were targeting people in countries that don't have the Simulcast, but this is people in America. People who have access to this for free an hour after it is released. There is nothing morally or legally to redeem what they are doing.

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                                                                            If people live in the US (and the people being sued all live in the US), and have access to the latest episode of One Piece, fully subtitled and put online roughly an hour and a half after it airs in Japan, why bother pirating it? It's not like they'll lose access to the episode. It's always there. On Hulu/Funimation's site and can be watched anytime.

                                                                            Still. I find this lawsuit business a little bit drastic…

                                                                            Basically this. I suppose they could want them for AMV's, but it still seems like raw episodes would work better for that.

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                                                                              I have no sympathy at all.

                                                                              I do. There's better ways to handle the situation than coming from out of nowhere and harshly punishing a group of random people for a crime that has no previous consistent precedent for being punished; the pirates are probably going to be reamed up the ass with huge fines, much more than they honestly deserve, simply because Funi wants to make an example out of them. I think the people at Funimation are just being dicks here, and I wish them nothing but the worst.

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                                                                                I have no sympathy for people who live in America and still download the newest One Piece episodes. I have no sympathy at all. So go for it FUNimation! These people have no excuse at all.

                                                                                And what if you're one of those rare souls like myself who watches both fansub and stream? What then?

                                                                                The day that I completely abandon downloading One Piece is the day FUNi thoroughly proofreads their scripts and has HD streaming.

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                                                                                  What kind of fines would these people have to pay? Anything drastic?

                                                                                  They pirated one episode of one piece. Funi's sets contain 13 episodes for about 50 dollars. Does that mean that funi places the value of one episode at $3.85? So…is that the amount of money they'll have to pay?

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                                                                                    I read that if the case goes through, each of the 1,337 accused will be fined somewhere in the range of $7,000 - $10,000.

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                                                                                      What kind of fines would these people have to pay? Anything drastic?

                                                                                      They pirated one episode of one piece. Funi's sets contain 13 episodes for about 50 dollars. Does that mean that funi places the value of one episode at $3.85? So…is that the amount of money they'll have to pay?

                                                                                      I think I remember it being said for the amount of money their aiming for, it'd be around $100-200 from each person….yeah. A bit steep there...if not as drastic as $1,000 or more.

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                                                                                        So does this lawsuit cover the Funi sub, or all fansubs of 481?

                                                                                        I would think it's the former, which is understandable, I can't see how they can claim any intellectual property on anything other than their dub and sub, since the original series would be copyrighted by Toei and it would be their series.

                                                                                        At least I think this is the case?

                                                                                        Toei Authorized FUNi to sue on their behalf. SoftX did the same with Slayers Revolution. FUNi was taking down fansubs of it BEFORE they had even licensed or produced any of their release of it.

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                                                                                        If people live in the US (and the people being sued all live in the US), and have access to the latest episode of One Piece, fully subtitled and put online roughly an hour and a half after it airs in Japan, why bother pirating it? It's not like they'll lose access to the episode. It's always there. On Hulu/Funimation's site and can be watched anytime.

                                                                                        Still. I find this lawsuit business a little bit drastic…

                                                                                        I agree with this one wholeheartedly. I'm just glad I smartened up and switched to simulcast-exclusive once we had it.
                                                                                        There really is no reason for a US fan to download a fansub of episodes post 395 (or wherever they started), I really don't see a reason for it at all.

                                                                                        Now RAWS I could see, some people like to make AMVs, but Fansubs? AMVs made using fansubs look terrible.

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                                                                                          I think I remember it being said for the amount of money their aiming for, it'd be around $100-200 from each person….yeah. A bit steep there...if not as drastic as $1,000 or more.

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                                                                                          FUNimation are bringing this suit with a view to winning damages of $150,000 as well as costs from the defendants listed, together with an injunction against any other similar activity in the future.

                                                                                          also : http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?id=70096

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                                                                                            @Fire-Fist:

                                                                                            also : http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?id=70096

                                                                                            $150,000??

                                                                                            Thats….what all of the people owe in total, right? Right? If not, then isn't that going just a little overboard?

                                                                                            Also, just How many people are being sued?

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                                                                                              $150,000??

                                                                                              Thats….what all of the people owe in total, right? Right? If not, then isn't that going just a little overboard?

                                                                                              Also, just How many people are being sued?

                                                                                              I gues 1,337 people are being sued. I don't seriously see suing $150,000 from each person though which is why I divided it up.

                                                                                              FUNimation are bringing this suit with a view to winning damages of $150,000 as well as costs from the defendants listed, together with an injunction against any other similar activity in the future.

                                                                                              So what's the difference between damages and the costs from the defendants listed?

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                                                                                                Oh, right. 1337. It was already mentioned. Sorry.

                                                                                                So, if 150,000 dollars is the total amount they seek, then that means each of the 1337 people will have to pay about $112?

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                                                                                                  @HiroVoid:

                                                                                                  I gues 1,337 people are being sued. I don't seriously see suing $150,000 from each person though which is why I divided it up.

                                                                                                  So what's the difference between damages and the costs from the defendants listed?

                                                                                                  From the article, it sounds like they want to get winnings for damages of $150,00 all together. So if I am reading this right then it means they want a total of $150,00 all together.

                                                                                                  So once the math is done they are only asking for around $112.19 bucks per person. Which is about two One Piece DVD sets. haha

                                                                                                  If this is correct then Funi really are heavy hitters. haha

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                                                                                                    The FUNI white knights strike again?

                                                                                                    Hmmm

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                                                                                                      The North American Anime Industry needs to make examples out of criminals. Something big, drastic, and loud that will scare users off from stealing as much as possible. While I would prefer more focus on the groups releasing the illegal files, if the fandom knows that even individuals are fair game than that idea will spread like a plague.

                                                                                                      And yes, I did just reference Inception. 😉

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                                                                                                        @Yuugi's:

                                                                                                        And yes, I did just reference Inception. 😉

                                                                                                        I was like :wassat:

                                                                                                        And then I was like 'Oh Mal and what Cobb did" 😁 😉

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                                                                                                        I wonder what was Bale's reaction when the stunt double broke the imax camera?

                                                                                                        Originally Posted by Silvers Rayleigh

                                                                                                        In the United States we don't have much manga around, specifically One Piece, and mainly the newer chapters - Jan 2011

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