While I may not create any good threads, but I do intend to come up with a curious debate. Now that we reached over 610+ chapters, so much has been happing in the story, it felt like One Piece has grown massive story-wise and more complex. Oda has been adding details, which some is not fully explored but some do. Is this amazing? Despited the quick pacing, it has begun to get deeper and deeper has each chapter passed. Do you guys feel the same way?
Do you think One Piece is deep and big enough?
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I think One Piece has been quite deep since Enies Lobby arc.
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One piece is, especially for a shounen manga, very well built; the characters, story, and world are all complex and well done. I would love to see a lot more depth to the world and it's social structures but hopefully we will be getting a lot more of that during the next half of the manga. It could have been done better but I don't think there are many people in the world who would be capable of that and, for the kind of medium the story is told in, the planning and consistency despite the changes to original ideas is really quite phenomenal, at least in my opinion.
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I think One Piece has been quite deep since Enies Lobby arc.
Make that the Skypiea arc. Two words: Nolands flashback. Deep stuff.
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Considering that it's written by only one man One Piece is indeed epic and its world wide. I don't think there are too many mangas that are on the same level with it.
And nothing wrong with that, personally I love series with a deep and complex storyline.
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Considering that it's written by only one man One Piece is indeed epic and its world wide. I don't think there are too many mangas that are on the same level with it.
And nothing wrong with that, personally I love series with a deep and complex storyline.
Much like LOST, right?
When One Piece started, it was simple and striaghtfoward but as hundreds of chapters passed, it was complexed and detailed.
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this is a good thread it should stay open, I agree for one piece to be created by one man, its complex plot, likable protagonist and deep story telling make it epic its funni because taking a small plot device such as "Pirate King" which to a non one piece fan sounds kind of lame, oda was able to give meaning and depth to make that one device which made one piece one of the best storys ever written.
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One Piece became deep and complex for me with the introduction of the Poneglyphs, and definately Skypeia.
Then other things began to play a role, the missing century, WG, Yonkou, Dragon and Reileigh, I think Reileigh offering to share with them everything he knew was an insanely deep scene that will make far more sense as the story ends.
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What the others have said. Outside its genre its no philosophical bomb but for a shonen its amazing Oda has set a new standard. I will leave to others to put it more eloquently :happy: but for me just thinking about Skypiea, Fishman Island and the formation of the OP world which we know nearly nothing about, get me to call it prodigious easily.Its a monster.
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As deep as a 15 years old girl's diary.
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Yes, I too find deep philosophical contemplation in the question "Do you poop?"
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Seeing that the whole world around our main protagonists is always changing and that even already used charas can come into the spotlight once more just gives a small impression how deep OP is.
Oda rly has a feeling for putting everywhere small details in backrounds etc
also using the coverpages to bring stories from secondary charas a bit further..that rly gives the reader the impression as if those not main charas have their own will.
Always drawing connections to past arcs and such stuff adds that every place was for something rly importnat which makes it feel even more impressive…for example the accident on EL made an impact everywhere else on the world of OP.
So the story may not reach LotR or other masterpieces, but for a manga we have a rly deep story with a moving world besides the main charas, which is rly impressive and not reached by many other mangas(especially shonen). -
I don't see why One Piece wouldn't reach other stories like LotR, I do believe it's epic and deep enough to compare, and for me, despite what anyone can say, it's better.
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s still a manga..dont forget this.
Tolkien created own cultures and languages with a lot of history etc.
Oda also introduces own races and stuff but definitely not on a level like Tolkien did.
Still its good but compared to the big literature it may not hold a top spot. But under his genre(mangas) its definitely one of the most impressive works.EVER. -
I thought One Piece got pretty deep in Impel Down, but I would say Fishman Island is its deepest part yet.
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I thought One Piece got pretty deep in Impel Down, but I would say Fishman Island is its deepest part yet.
LOL. That was the best post yet.
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I dont think anyone here is implying that Oda is Aristotle. LOL @__Dubanka.__
Depends what the thread maker means by deep really.
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@Don:
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s still a manga..dont forget this.
Tolkien created own cultures and languages with a lot of history etc.
Oda also introduces own races and stuff but definitely not on a level like Tolkien did.
Still its good but compared to the big literature it may not hold a top spot. But under his genre(mangas) its definitely one of the most impressive works.EVER.Sure, having created races and languages is great and pretty impressive, but that's not what makes the story good…
It sure makes it fascinating, but One Piece is crazily vast and complex as well.
For me, it's on par.
All the interactions between characters and factions, the different countries, cultures, races, the history, etc., make the world of One Piece a very vast, pleasant and credible. -
Complex yes, deep no.
One Piece wears it's emotions and thoughts on it's sleeve and while nice none of them are particularly profound or new.
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As it's been said 1000 times, the OP world is splendidly build. I dare say it's OP strongest point, what makes it stand out in the shounen world.
Deep, it is not. But it's clear as the day that it wasn't Oda's intention. Everything is so straightforward, One Piece is like one big SHOUT to your face.
But, even when it lacks deepness, some of the lines are supremely good. Cliched as the may be. Hiruluk's last moment comes to mind as one fantastic example. It's not deep, it's not new, but it's awesome.
Edit: Am I mixing things? Dialogue lines and the way they are handled are included into a story's deepness, right?
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I agree. I still think it depends what one means by deep though, for e.g the complexity of the story makes me say that it has some depth for its genre. Yet I know Oda's simply exploring themes he is confronted to in real life (through the news ,history ect)
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You'd better hope a manga that is 610+ chapters is at least complex. Or maybe a gag manga that will never die…
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@Rex:
You'd better hope a manga that is 610+ chapters is at least complex. Or maybe a gag manga that will never die…
Bleach will reach the 500 chapter mark in 1 year or so.
And Naruto is 520 something chapters. And we've basically seen the village of the sand, the village of the leave, and the cloud village. Oh, and the Iron country. And NON of them looked exciting, well build, or anything. Pretty generic stuff if you ask me.
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Deep, big enough…
From what I have gathered about the intention author of this thread had, when creating this, he is asking us whether or not One piece has a deep overall big story/world behind it all.
Or is it more shallow practically linear story telling.The answer is yes, absolutely. OP is not exactly a simple minded story, it varies from the readers point of view.
It can be seen very simplistic and can be understood by children or it can gain a considerable depth if seen from the eyes of an adult who would not just read the story, but see the world.It starts off slow and slowly but surely we gain knowledge about the OP world, one could claim such is the nature of majority of manga stories flying around (Naruto...Bleach etc...)
However, for me personally that simply is not the case. Give me a moment to explain.
I am not talking about the actual content that is to be revealed to us, neither the actual size of the world, number of characters and so on. While all of this certainly plays a role, I was thinking more in the sense, that while Naruto and Bleach have more linear adding to the story, where I personally felt that stuff just keeps getting "added" to expand the story further, it feels artificial.
Where as OP is concerned you kind of see the foundations, the limits and than pieces of the puzzle will slowly start to form the picture and when you will realize that the picture is actually bigger than what you at first have anticipated, it will all feel natural and you would feel as it all was there all along (which quite frankly as it looks like, was, judging from the data books and what we know about Oda and how he does his thing....)So yes, while not a seinen or a story that would intentionally seek some deeper meaning, OP definitely is, at least in my eyes a deep story, a story which has a deeper meaning, which we find out has been printed into us after we have read some specific chapters...
For example, I do not know, if I see gay people/ transsexuals/slavery/prisons/friendships and so on differently, however the story itself certainly can and probably will have even if so small impact on some of the very basic principles and images we have about life.
It will definitely be a story I will tell/read to my own children, not only for fun, but because I think it will enrich them in some way or another.
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The characters and world are not quite as complex and deep as in the epic fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire, but for a manga, One Piece does a good job of handling a plethora of characters.
Although you also have to understand, there is a very straight-forward pattern Oda follows across most of his major arcs.
Arrive at NEW area, have one major conflict with a group there, introduce a set of enemies for the Strawhats to match up against, overcome these odds, shock the world, show everyone's reaction to the SH's new shenanigans, and repeat.
Obviously, it's not exactly like this, especially arcs like Impel/War where it was just Luffy, but the general ideas are there. Oda just does a good job of weaving larger story lines (Blackbeard, World Government, etc.) through all these arcs and introducing names early on only to be later revealed.
Great stuff for a manga, but not quite in comparable to novels. However, OP's purpose is not to be deep as that or else it would be a novel and not a manga!
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If deep means that One Piece is thought-provoking, i would say its not deep, not yet. The whole story about racism and slavery could be called deep if it gets more development. And the plot with the WG as some brutal and power-mad government could lead to some deep meaning, but these elements need more time to evolve.
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The characters and world are not quite as complex and deep as in the epic fantasy series A Song of Ice and Fire, but for a manga, One Piece does a good job of handling a plethora of characters.
RR Martin writes for yearssss Oda writes every week….but yea song od ice and fire is amazing but so is one piece
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I think OP is very deep.
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I choose to listen to Oda's words "One Piece isn't that deep of a story". So if One Piece seems deep, it probably isn't - at least on Oda's behalf. However, it can be complex due to the very big and well thought-out world and the many subplots.
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In regards to how epic a journey and well written it is i can honestly say if not the best one of the best stories i have ever encountered from any kind of outlet in my life.
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No offense but I fear that One Piece's universe may become too big for Oda to manage.
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No offense but I fear that One Piece's universe may become too big for Oda to manage.
I hear what you are saying the fact Oda still has half of One piece to go which means about double the characters double the islands and double the plot twist and then think of an awesome conculsion to One piece. Crazy but if any one can do it Oda can lol !!!!
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@JERK:
Complex yes, deep no.
One Piece wears it's emotions and thoughts on it's sleeve and while nice none of them are particularly profound or new.
I much agree, however I would not be suprise if it got deep by the series' end
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Compared to it's big three peers it might as well have been written by Homer.
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Deep, big enough…
From what I have gathered about the intention author of this thread had, when creating this, he is asking us whether or not One piece has a deep overall big story/world behind it all.
Or is it more shallow practically linear story telling.The answer is yes, absolutely. OP is not exactly a simple minded story, it varies from the readers point of view.
It can be seen very simplistic and can be understood by children or it can gain a considerable depth if seen from the eyes of an adult who would not just read the story, but see the world.It starts off slow and slowly but surely we gain knowledge about the OP world, one could claim such is the nature of majority of manga stories flying around (Naruto...Bleach etc...)
However, for me personally that simply is not the case. Give me a moment to explain.
I am not talking about the actual content that is to be revealed to us, neither the actual size of the world, number of characters and so on. While all of this certainly plays a role, I was thinking more in the sense, that while Naruto and Bleach have more linear adding to the story, where I personally felt that stuff just keeps getting "added" to expand the story further, it feels artificial.
Where as OP is concerned you kind of see the foundations, the limits and than pieces of the puzzle will slowly start to form the picture and when you will realize that the picture is actually bigger than what you at first have anticipated, it will all feel natural and you would feel as it all was there all along (which quite frankly as it looks like, was, judging from the data books and what we know about Oda and how he does his thing....)So yes, while not a seinen or a story that would intentionally seek some deeper meaning, OP definitely is, at least in my eyes a deep story, a story which has a deeper meaning, which we find out has been printed into us after we have read some specific chapters...
For example, I do not know, if I see gay people/ transsexuals/slavery/prisons/friendships and so on differently, however the story itself certainly can and probably will have even if so small impact on some of the very basic principles and images we have about life.
It will definitely be a story I will tell/read to my own children, not only for fun, but because I think it will enrich them in some way or another.
good post
i also wouldnt say a story is deep or big, jst because of the op-world's size or the amount of characters in it. it is the complexity of the story itself.
seeing rayleigh already in the second volume of the manga and then it takes about 500 chaps until he gets revealed: that is really complexe-forward-thinking story-telling.
the other thing when brook was revealed as member of the pirate crew that left laboon @ reverse mountain also shows oda mastermind in story telling.
and in the beginning of each arc i think:
woah, why the hell, who the hell, how the hell can he….
and in the end of an arc i think:
ah, that's why! and so on.
everything makes sense in the end of each arc.
for example why did iceburg built ships 4 the wg, although they killed his beloved master? that question made sense, as spandam explained that iceburg was untouchable 4 the wg, because he built ship of 'em.
of course, yet some of the major things still arent revealed. but if they get revealed, everything around it will clearly make sense to us.
i'd also read this story to my children, cause its bottom line message is about friendship and "make your dream come true with help of your talents (if you associate df-powers of the op world with the gifts and talents in our world).
but i'm especially curious and lookin forward to what this arc has in store for us. i mean since vol 13 (where oda said that FI would come "soon, @ the half of the GL"), this arc was foreshadowed and built up to the audience. i just hope, this arc will live up to the expectations we got of it... -
It's better than the other manga in jump is that not enough? and they do a better job on the anime than Naruto which is full of fillers.
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Better than Naruto? Not always… And there were some fillers in OP, even if some of them were brilliant
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If you guys want to compare One Piece to other forms of complex and deep stuff, compare it with Watchmen. Both are technically comics, and Watchmen has a very complex and pretty deep story. However, they both are completely different as day and night, Watchmen is a deconstruction of the superhero genre, while One Piece is a pirate manga geared toward young boys. Do I think One Piece is on par with Watchmen? Yes, I do.
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Definitely the wrong place for that. :getlost:
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Anyway the thing I like about One Piece is how big the universe is. There are so many aspects to the world and so many different groups you would think that it would be hard to keep track of them all and yet the simple way Oda reveals them to us really makes them stick into our head. I think that it's better that the story is not overly complicated.
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I think we should ask what the OP means by big enough! Yeah, the world is big, if that's what you mean. Yeah, the story is big in Japan, if that's what you mean.
But yes One Piece is deep. It has themes like slavery, racism, evil, justice, etc. If that isnt deep enough for you, then Idk what is.
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I think we should ask what the OP means by big enough! Yeah, the world is big, if that's what you mean. Yeah, the story is big in Japan, if that's what you mean.
But yes One Piece is deep. it has themes like slavery, racism, evil, justice, etc. If that isnt deep enough for you, then Idk what is.
Agreed. I actually think the themes around One Piece is what makes it deep. The concept between good/evil, justice, friendship and others are very much non linear and to think about it. it's not like theres necessarily evil factions , they all have some points of reason.
As for complexity i think it's medium. it's not a story we can exactly figure out what and how things will happen, but plotwise is not as complex as we can't figure stuff that will happen (like dreams becoming true). Plotwise, the story is actually pretty simple, they're a talented pirate crew with specific dreams, risking everything on it.
Just the mean or way to do it , and some deep themes that come up from time to time is what makes it complex and unpredictable.The characters Oda create are also sometimes very complex, specially the main characters like shichibukais, SH's and top marines, at least in comparison with other shonens. They all have a history, character behaviour and it's reasons above de average that's given on shonen mangas.
It's not like Oda likes to create much pure/good characters and chaotically evil characters. Even SH's that we can consider "good" ppl , all have their natural human flaws, like Luffy eating inocent animals, nami's selfishness with money and robbery mastery, Brook's pervertion, Zoro's blood thirst, etc. Nami's behaviour on sky island for example could be considered evil, as she stole tecnology and used it mindlessly, and then faked she was regreting it xD.
Every character as more to it than a simple based division between pure good and pure evil.
Even Blackbeard has some legitimate points on being achieving his dreams, besides all the "crimes" he has commited. Besides being evil enough to afford deaths to reach his means, he's also a pacient, clever and "good" enough to not mess with people that don't mess with his dreams, weaklings etc. -
One Piece Got Deep in Enies Lobby Arc, Cause that was the point where All the Past Chapters and Arc got sticked together, that was where the Real Story Of One Piece Began.
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But yes One Piece is deep. It has themes like slavery
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Justice and evil
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racism
Racism is wrong. Which is inarguable. Racism theme in One Piece is shallow. Fishmen are generally born ten times stronger than humans, and more violent.
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