@Monkey:
How on earth are Burgess and Zoro's fighting styles similar.
I think he is comparing Jozu and Burguess fighting style. Probably the send iceberg flying. Send hotel flying.
Favorite Old Wrong Theories
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I think he is comparing Jozu and Burguess fighting style. Probably the send iceberg flying. Send hotel flying.
I think he is comparing Jozu and Burguess fighting style. Probably the send iceberg flying. Send hotel flying.
That and I was thinking the whole giant elbow attack, but maybe that's to vague….
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It's not like Zoro couldn't fight a Diamond Burgess even though Shiliew will be his final opponent.
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
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It's not like Zoro couldn't fight a Diamond Burgess even though Shiliew will be his final opponent.
Zoro isn't going to fight two Blackbeard crew members. That wouldn't make any sense.
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@Galaxy:
Zoro isn't going to fight two Blackbeard crew members. That wouldn't make any sense.
So you don't think there will be more than one encounter with the two crews?
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
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So you don't think there will be more than one encounter with the two crews?
The entire iconic "crew vs. crew" is not going to happen until the end of the series.
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@Galaxy:
The entire iconic "crew vs. crew" is not going to happen until the end of the series.
I don't think all of them will fight them either until the end(namely Nami and Robin), but they will definedly meet again before Raftel.
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Wouldn´t the entire point of Zoro fighting a diamond opponent be about cutting him?
If he cuts him (which implies defeating him) and Shillew ends up being his predestined opponent, then that is a waste of one commander.
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Why is everyone so sure jozu will die?
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This stuff about BB pirates eating marco's and jozu's fruits looks bad to me. I'm sure Oda could invent some original fruits for them and nor recycle other character's fruits.
Reason why I hated Sabo with the mera mera no mi in the first place.
Every time I will look at BB pirates, I would see other characters, not them.
Hope mr. 1 was just random when he asked zoro if he's going to cut diamond next.
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@uniaka:
This stuff about BB pirates eating marco's and jozu's fruits looks bad to me. I'm sure Oda could invent some original fruits for them and nor recycle other character's fruits.
Every time I will look at BB pirates, I would see other characters, not them.
Perhaps that's the whole point
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@Galaxy:
The entire iconic "crew vs. crew" is not going to happen until the end of the series.
This reminds me of one of my favourite wrong theories. That theory was that @ SA each SH gonna fight a SN. Since there were 9 SNs other than Luffy and Zoro, the math was right, but everything else would have never fit.
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@uniaka:
This stuff about BB pirates eating marco's and jozu's fruits looks bad to me. I'm sure Oda could invent some original fruits for them and nor recycle other character's fruits.
Reason why I hated Sabo with the mera mera no mi in the first place.
Every time I will look at BB pirates, I would see other characters, not them.
Hope mr. 1 was just random when he asked zoro if he's going to cut diamond next.
I mostly agree, but it is very possible that we will see fruits mirrored throughout. I think it is fairly reasonable to claim that the new world mirrors pre time-skip in a lot of important ways, including Arlong Park/FI and Crocodile/Doffy (and those get to be very interesting analogues, with some very interesting and imo significant differences as well). But, what we are starting to see is analogous if not identical devil fruits. We have Sabo/Ace, of course, but we also have devil fruits that - while not identical - are definitely analogous, and we see this most in the minions of croc and doffy. Croc had Miss Valentine and Mr. 5, while Doffy has Machvise and Gladius. Their bosses are analogues, and their fruits are very similar.
The question is: Is this just an extension of the Crocodile/Doflamingo analogy, or is this part of a bigger analogy between pre- and post time-skip? If the latter, we may very well see some devil fruits showing up again, or at least seeing some very similar ones. Furthermore, when it comes to the BB pirates in particular, they are hunting DF users and taking their powers (in some way or another). If this is the case, and if Marco and Jozu showed up for the first time (pretty much) at marineford, we might expect to see their powers show up again around the last war - either with or without Marco and Jozu themselves, just as a consequence of pre- and post time-skip mirroring - and that would happen somewhere around the same time as the SH vs. BB fights.
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@LordEnel:
Why is everyone so sure jozu will die?
it's been shaded that Zoro will one day learn to cut diamond. But Jozu is a good or neutral character so it's been conflated with Blackbeard stealing devil fruit & Shiriew being Zoro's final opponent to what you see here.
But it does forget there's a standing theory that Jozu's lost arm is goinv to turn up carved into Shiliew's sword anyway and it's way to early to call any of these theories wrong.
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it's been shaded that Zoro will one day learn to cut diamond. But Jozu is a good or neutral character so it's been conflated with Blackbeard stealing devil fruit & Shiriew being Zoro's final opponent to what you see here.
But it does forget there's a standing theory that Jozu's lost arm is goinv to turn up carved into Shiliew's sword anyway and it's way to early to call any of these theories wrong.
I can understand for the fruit but what good would Jozu arm do him?
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I can understand for the fruit but what good would Jozu arm do him?
That after Marineford it was found and carved into a diamond sword. Think on that as you will.
As I said still way to early for any of those theories to be counted as 'failed' but no way I'd be bothering to work percentages of which one stand a better chance or not. -
That after Marineford it was found and carved into a diamond sword. Think on that as you will.
As I said still way to early for any of those theories to be counted as 'failed' but no way I'd be bothering to work percentages of which one stand a better chance or not.I agree that that is definitely not failed yet. On the other hand, though (pun intended)…
First, Is Jozu a logia or a paramecia? I'm thinking paramecia on two grounds:
(1) Daz Bones' fruit was paramecia, and is similar.
(2) He did not reform his arm after losing it, which I would think a logia could do - unless, perhaps, it was a haki wound and that would prevent it...In any case, that just guides this question but in no way determines it: do we have any evidence that, once detached from the user, a body part of a paramecia (or, let's say, logia), retains its devil fruit powers? For example, if Luffy lost an arm, would his severed arm remain rubber, or transform back into a normal arm? The question is a little trickier with Jozu, though, since he isn't just diamond, but rather can transform into diamond. At this point, maybe the standard paramecia/logia distinctions start to mislead, and even if he is technically a paramecia, it may help to think of this aspect of the ability in logia terms….
So, let's say that Zoro had cut off Monet's arm with haki - would the severed arm become snow, or a regular arm? Would it depend on the form it was in when cut, so if he cut her snow arm it would remain snow?
Another tricky aspect, though, is this: it seems clear that if he cut her in half with haki, she would die, as haki allows an attack to be made on the "true body." For diamond Jozu, though, that what you see is what you get. If his arm is diamond, it really is diamond, or at least is diamond coated... I'm not sure haki would attack the "true body" and thereby bypass the diamond since the diamond is the true body, just like Luffy really is just rubber.
I don't know, this gets convoluted quick. I guess what I'm saying is: It seems to me, maybe just intuitively, that if his power is to turn his body to diamond - rather than just being diamond, in the way that Luffy just is rubber - that if a limb is severed it would revert back to normal. The diamondification seems like a conscious act on Jozu's part, and to have his arm severed from his consciousness would make it seem likely that his arm would revert.
I guess one other argument could be given: If it is alluded that Zoro will cut diamond, we also have to ask: What is the point of introducing Jozu? Whitebeard could have had any commanders whatsoever - Oda could have made up some other subordinate. But instead, he went with Jozu, and he introduced him right before BB revealed his DF stealing abilities.
Iunno.
It's tough looking back and trying to remember all the theories and thoughts that ended up unsubstantiated. For me, at least, I only really remember, in memory, how it went down...
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I always believed the reasoning for Jozu dieing is because he has an extremely useful devil's fruit, leading a possibly fragmented crew in a very heated area. With fruit stealing explained to an extent (technique possibly sold on the black market is my gap filler here) he will be a sought after target.
Also I agree on the earlier point about their fruits not being 'theirs', as Blackbeard's crew has always come across as a collection of misfits around a loner rather than true Nakama. He dreams to be the pirate king but he doesn't care who gets in his way or what he has to do. This I'm still certain will be a central theme carried out to the bitter end and having two of his former leaders 'powers' with him will help exaggerate it.
Edit: Favourite old theory, one I liked, was Kaku for nakama. Sudden turn around and he wipes out CP9 and merrily goes on his way with the crew. What was I thinking..
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Blackbeard's crew has always come across as a collection of misfits around a loner rather than true Nakama.
Well we've had a few instances where the Blackbeard pirates do genuinely seem to care about each other.
Like Teach telling his crew to get away from Ace because they wouldn't be a match for him, or Lafitte's reaction to Pizarro wanting to be the new captain.
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I remember that about eight years ago, when I was first watching One Piece, by the time Smoker appeared, I had a strange theory. I had no idea how logia devil fruits worked yet, as it still wasn't explained in detail. So, because he was always smoking, I thought that he needed smoke around him to be able to become part of it, and that's why he carried that many cigars. I believed that by exploring that weakness would be how Luffy would eventually beat him.
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I agree that that is definitely not failed yet. On the other hand, though (pun intended)…
First, Is Jozu a logia or a paramecia? I'm thinking paramecia on two grounds:
(1) Daz Bones' fruit was paramecia, and is similar.
(2) He did not reform his arm after losing it, which I would think a logia could do - unless, perhaps, it was a haki wound and that would prevent it...Simple answer is we don't really know. He's definitely not a logia but his power did seem more of a simple on/off switch. Daz was able to reform the shape of his blades at will, Jozu just turned from one substance to the other. But then, blades is a lot more of a nebulous concept than metal or diamond.
It's a point with Logia but, again, all of the logia are semi-solid substances so it's hard to compere.As for why introduce Jozu rather than just create a diamond BB crewmember? The BB are bad guys. Killing an ally of the strawhats reinforces it. It may or may not happen.
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@Galaxy:
Zoro isn't going to fight two Blackbeard crew members. That wouldn't make any sense.
Thinking on this, though really straying from topic, I hope stuff like this does happen.
The more the SH skirmish with the BB, the more the rivalry will build up before the final showdown, the better the pay-off.
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Back when we were first introduced to Law on Sabaody I speculated that he had some form of force-field Devil Fruit. My reasoning for this was, during the fight in front of the Human Auction House, Luffy used Gear Third and, to anyone who hadn't already known that he was a rubber-man, he appeared to have a fruit that allowed him to expand his body. Because of that, I thought that Law's powers weren't just going to be taking things apart and rearranging the pieces but that he was throwing invisible force fields around people to separate their body parts. Of course, his power did end up being "taking things apart and rearranging the pieces" and my "theory" was considerably terrible and poorly thought out.
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Here's one of my own, that I don't think was… all that stupid: The WG would fall at Marineford. I had a really specific scenario for how it would go down, too. Whitebeard, in revenge for Ace, sinks Marineford into the sea, killing himself and most of the Marines, though everyone who needs to survive for plot does. We then cut to the Five Elders, who lament the fact that with the Marines gone, the Government itself won't last much longer. Then, all five are killed by the Blackbeard Pirates, sealing the WG's fate.
...hey, I at least got the "Blackbeard kills someone important" part right.
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That Chopper being unable to control his monster point would cause trouble in the future and would be part of the reason for his The 5th chapter.
But nooooo, everything had to just be fine and dandy post-timeskip.
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As for why introduce Jozu rather than just create a diamond BB crewmember? The BB are bad guys. Killing an ally of the strawhats reinforces it. It may or may not happen.
I agree, but thats also kind of the problem. If BB pirates don't kill Jozu, then that means that - if Zoro will someday cut Diamond - he will likely be cutting Jozu. But, I imagine Jozu will be at least a friendly, if not an ally, which is why BB pirates killing him would be nefarious in the first place.
But I don't want to derail this thread. You have really good points about Jozu/Daz Bones, though; well said.
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I never encountered this theory myself, but back when all we knew about the Buster Call was "it exists and it kills a lot of people," wasn't there someone who thought it'd involve a laser satellite or something like that?
I agree, but thats also kind of the problem. If BB pirates don't kill Jozu, then that means that - if Zoro will someday cut Diamond - he will likely be cutting Jozu. But, I imagine Jozu will be at least a friendly, if not an ally, which is why BB pirates killing him would be nefarious in the first place.
But I don't want to derail this thread. You have really good points about Jozu/Daz Bones, though; well said.
Keep in mind, the OPverse has another mineral just as hard as diamond, and which it would be a great asset to know how to cut: seastone.
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This one will always be my favorite
lmao the one guy that didn't agree with this stupid theory got hated on by everyone
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Hey, remember when people said that Doflamingo could be the final villain well Dressarosa is proving it dead wrong.
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Hey, remember when people said that Doflamingo could be the final villain well Dressarosa is proving it dead wrong.
This was proven wrong by Blackbeard's appearance in Volume 15, actually.
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Hey, remember when people said that Doflamingo could be the final villain well Dressarosa is proving it dead wrong.
No one has ever said this since…2003?
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I'll say a favorite of mine.
That Kaidou is a fun loving, drunken DnD style dwarf that wears a suit of powered armor.
Though I mostly like it because of how wrong and fan-ficcy it was.
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I just remembered a funny one. In the beginning of the anime, before the timeskip, a friend of mine that watched the anime was certain that the eye covered by Sanji's hair was special, giving him some kind of power still kept hidden for some reason. I was happy he was proved wrong…
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What would be the point of poisoning Whitebeard if he was already ill to begin with (and Whitebeard didn't die by poison)?
I think I've seen that one.
Gradually slowing down a Yonkou sounds right.
Don't discount it yet; we have yet to see the second part of Doflamingo's Flashback. I'm sure that will get to see whether or not Doflamingo is orchestrating the downfall of Yonkou from the shadows.
Doflamingo told Law there are a million ways you can kill an enemy that one is no match for.
It's pretty obviouse that Doflamingo isn't supplying Kaido for money.
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Hey, remember when people said that Doflamingo could be the final villain well Dressarosa is proving it dead wrong.
@Cyan:
No one has ever said this since…2003?
Sorry Cyan, I disagree there. I remember some here at AP saying that as soon as 2010ish.
But then, this is for 'old wrong theories'
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Doffy was secretly a D. with the ass dumb name of Donquixote D. Oflamingo. Law was secretly a Celestial Dragon, Bepo was a former slave of his family but he escaped from Mariejois with him, and he freed Jean Bart because he was a slave too.
How funny how wrong it was
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From this arc:
Robin will beat Trebol; Cavendish will beat Trebol; Pica is a logia; Kyros will join the crew;
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Doffy was secretly a D. with the ass dumb name of Donquixote D. Oflamingo. Law was secretly a Celestial Dragon, Bepo was a former slave of his family but he escaped from Mariejois with him, and he freed Jean Bart because he was a slave too.
How funny how wrong it was
Its irony because how things actually have turned out with Doffy being the former Celestial Dragon and Law being the D.
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This one will always be my favorite
"Maybe his shoes are an elephant that ate the shoe shoe fruit" oh god this is the best thing ever
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http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=151
Nico Robin is the daughter of Gol D. Roger. Fantastic stuff really. I mean, after all, both had black hair!
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I remember when we thought Trafalgar Law was actually Gin's reappearance in the manga under a new name just because they both have dark eye circles. capslock community on livejournal was saying he's the heart pirates as a tribute to his love for Sanji.
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Brook is Aokiji's father.
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Hancock is an ugly woman, and her supposed "beauty" refers to her strength, since in Amazon Lily, strength is beauty. What the Risky Bros. said about her being beautiful cannot be trusted because they're not bright.
Also, this may be off-topic, but has there ever been an official statement regarding Monet's fate? One Piece Wiki talks as if she is 100% confirmed dead.
Thanks in advance!
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Also, this may be off-topic, but has there ever been an official statement regarding Monet's fate? One Piece Wiki talks as if she is 100% confirmed dead.
Nope.
One Piece Wiki just likes to speculate and look wrong, it seems.
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Sabo was dead in wiki too.
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http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=151
Nico Robin is the daughter of Gol D. Roger. Fantastic stuff really. I mean, after all, both had black hair!
lmao, that was good.
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Hody is actually a robot. When he explained why he hates humans to Fukaboshi, the latter was shocked because he saw machinery inside his mouth.
Seriously, I saw someone say this here back then!
I can't really say my posts are about favorites, but rather, ones I find noteworthy.
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Aojiki and Rob Lucci are brothers. I have to admit I thought the same when Lucci appeared for the first time, but the only similarity between them is their hair.:ninja:
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I'd say the theory that Yorki is Shanks' Grandfather and the Spandam's Shoes have a DF theory are my favorites.
Some runners up (some of these were my own, so it's a little biased): Keimi had a Submarine, Davy (D) Jones will be the final opponent in One Piece, Spandine is Kizaru, Kaku ate a flying Monkey Zoan, Jinbe ate the Water Water (Mizu Mizu) Logia Fruit and was a major Crimeboss in Fishman Island, Whitebeard was a Half-Giant, Jaguar D. Saul was Luffy's Grandfather.
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Can't really remember if this started as a theory or a fake spoiler… Blackbeard finds Pluton in Impel Down's 6th level. There was also a fake spoiler saying that Pluton is in pieces, so he sticks the whole thing back together using tape.
