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    • Hiroy
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      Hah. I use to overachieve in high school until I graduated. The reason I stopped was because passing classes that weren't AB or anything similar meant nothing when it came to preparing me for college. I should have did the smarter thing I tried to study stuff the school didn't teach me on my own.

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        Ah grades. I don't know what to fucking think about them but I know one thing ( an old biology teacher made me realize that. I think it was her ) and that is that grades don't mean fucking shit in life. The old teacher was like okay i can give you a 5 but you still won't know a thing… so whats the point ? Whats the point of learning for grades because after few days u forget everything. You need to learn for life.

        The grades system her goes like from 1 to 5 ( 5 is the best ). It's pretty simple.

        The final grade = all subject grades sum up and then you divide them with the number of subjects u had.

        1 > u failed
        1.5 - 2.4 > 2
        2.5 - 3.4 > 3
        3.5 - 4.4 > 4
        4.5 - 5 > 5

        My final grade is usualy 4.5, 4.6 or 4.7... My parents always try to motivate me or just push me to get better. They care way too much for my grades. I have a 5 in math and two weeks ago I barely got a 2. Mom was whining and spamming me but I didn't give a fuck because I realized my mistake and i will never repeat it. I would pwn the test if I had a chance to do it again ...

        I find the school system here good but my school got waaaaaaaaaay too much shitty subjects and unneccesary shit like art and music. And I can't avoid it for the first 2 years. I get to pick a direction when im 3rd year ( gonna pick up Programming and math. cant fucking wait for that. only 2 months until i finish 2nd year ).

        I also despise chemistry ( mostly cuz of my retarded teachers ... ) but i am forced to learn it. It's the only subject where i got a 2.

        Last time I had 13 subjects. Had ten 5s, one 4, one 3, and one 2. When you sum it up and divide it's 4.54 xd

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          I do know Champa, it used to be the south of modern day Vietnam primarily! The Vietnamese conquered them over several centuries and assimilated their former territories. The Cham people still exist today albeit in very small numbers, stateless…

          In fact I'd been wanting to ask you if what you knew about them from actual life experience, like if you knew any, or have seen how they make it in modern day Vietnam and stuff.

          I lived in Khanh Hoa, which was exactly part of Champa and I never actually talked to one. I saw some rituals-holiday celebration for once or something.

          Chenla was the pre Khmer Empire, Khmer state. Old form of today's Cambodia.

          I was about to say Fúnán. Well, you probably know too.

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            I lived in Khanh Hoa, which was exactly part of Champa and I never actually talked to one.

            Eh, I probably live on a former Paugusset tribal area or something so I can't really talk lol.

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              the value of grades depends on where you want to go. Life is different for everyone and yeah even if you work hard it does not guarantee success but it does increase your chances of it. Everyone in my family went to school on scholorships and it's something we're very proud of. The kids will finish their education debt free at the very least. Certain paths of life require you to maintain excellent grades in HS to get into the best colleges to get into the best grad schools. You could ofc fuck up one of these steps and still get to where your going but it will be harder.

              If you want to be a doctor or get far in any one of the hard sciences or engineering i'd suggest you work your ass off in HS, College, Grad, etc if you want to be and compete with the best. The world is changing and where once simply graduating from a good US school meant you were well on your way to good job now means you have extremely well educated global competition for those same spots, and they all want it badly for w/e reason. For any other type of field this may be my bias but i'd say you can be more liberal with your school experience though it varies from major to major.

              Some people don't find their niche till later on, some people change it up halfway or w/e but approach your education with an initial goal in mind. You can set it low, you can set it high it doesn't matter. Just do your very best to reach that goal and roll with w/e punches life throws at you. There will be changes and hardly anything ever works out the way you plan but that's no reason to just say fuck it and coast along.

              Also remember that a Job is Education+Social experience. You can no more get a job you don't have the ability to perform than you can get a job where you can't function well with others. College is a networking experience. You get into a better school you can build a much better network which will greatly increase your chances of finding a job after college because jobs are just as much about who you know as they are about what you know. In this economy who you know is more important than ever, i think about 50% of available jobs are filled by people in the company getting a job for their friend, former co-worker, student, etc and the job is rarely listed anywhere.

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                the value of grades depends on where you want to go. Life is different for everyone and yeah even if you work hard it does not guarantee success but it does increase your chances of it. Everyone in my family went to school on scholorships and it's something we're very proud of. The kids will finish their education debt free at the very least. Certain paths of life require you to maintain excellent grades in HS to get into the best colleges to get into the best grad schools. You could ofc fuck up one of these steps and still get to where your going but it will be harder.

                If you want to be a doctor or get far in any one of the hard sciences or engineering i'd suggest you work your ass off in HS, College, Grad, etc if you want to be and compete with the best. The world is changing and where once simply graduating from a good US school meant you were well on your way to good job now means you have extremely well educated global competition for those same spots, and they all want it badly for w/e reason. For any other type of field this may be my bias but i'd say you can be more liberal with your school experience though it varies from major to major.

                Some people don't find their niche till later on, some people change it up halfway or w/e but approach your education with an initial goal in mind. You can set it low, you can set it high it doesn't matter. Just do your very best to reach that goal and roll with w/e punches life throws at you. There will be changes and hardly anything ever works out the way you plan but that's no reason to just say fuck it and coast along.

                Also remember that a Job is Education+Social experience. You can no more get a job you don't have the ability to perform than you can get a job where you can't function well with others. College is a networking experience. You get into a better school you can build a much better network which will greatly increase your chances of finding a job after college because jobs are just as much about who you know as they are about what you know. In this economy who you know is more important than ever, i think about 50% of available jobs are filled by people in the company getting a job for their friend, former co-worker, student, etc and the job is rarely listed anywhere.

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                  cause you've got it all figured out huh…

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                    Hahaha wow. He's actually being pretty sensible though.

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                      cause you've got it all figured out huh…

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                        yup…all figured out...

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                          Personally, I might have had pretty good grades, better than most, but I rarely studied. I can't memorize shit to save my skin for one. I just paid attention to class, discussed with the professors and all in all made sure they knew my name and that I wasn't stupid. That way I always got good grades, learned what I wanted to learn and didn't waste much time with trying to memorize shit that I was going to forget after a couple of days.

                          This. I almost never study. And my overall averages are usually somewhere between 85-90. I just listen in class, and if I don't get something, I'll ask the teacher to explain it to me. Unless you have a teacher like one of mine, who hates to explain things and, ya know, do his job. But, even so, I'm doing good in that class (for the most part).

                          So…people can get by without studying, though I'm sure it may help in some way.

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                            I keep asking myself this, being in my final year and having done some of my GCSEs already.
                            We have the next two weeks to finish ALL of our coursework, then absolutely tonnes of revision to follow…
                            Then the rest of my GCSEs come.
                            My last exam is a German Listening exam the day after Day 2 of NemaCon, so technically NemaCon is an early celebration ;D (Final exam - June 20th)
                            after that it's a long wait until AUGUST until I get my results.
                            TWO MONTHS OF WAITING.
                            yes, I get some relaxing time FINALLY (though there's the prom a month after the last day of NemaCon) but having to wait that long to get my grades will be so damn... ; A ; ish.

                            Does anybody have any good advice on how to remain calm if you have quite a bit to do... like making a Pizza box and a menu for one subject, a dozen art pieces for another, and a few computer stuffs for one other?

                            three main subjects of major concern - IT (taking IT Software in college ; A ; worried I'm gonna get bad grades...), Art and Graphics...

                            I've done my exams for Art and Graphics, but still got quite a chunk of coursework...

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                              Could be I used it too generally or specifically, I was referring to the free market system

                              Oh? Sorry about that.

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                                Does anyone here cram study? Now I know its not good, just wondering.

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                                  I do it all the time. It's no different than staying up and wasting time for me.

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                                    Does anyone here cram study? Now I know its not good, just wondering.

                                    My University-exam life basically. I might not even study. I love how people think I have good notes or that I study all the time or something because of my grades. Most of my notes at filled with doodles or are spam notes I exchange with my friend and my studying consists of browsing the net, saying I will study, study for half an hour or maybe one to get a general idea of the subject, then quit. And during the exam I curse my laziness and write whatever seems logical to me. 😄

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                                      Notes are worthless for me. I literally never take them.

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                                        I don't want to say same here, but same here.
                                        And I got scolded a lot for not taking notes.

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                                          Even in college?

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                                            Even in college?

                                            No, not (getting scolded) in college.
                                            Which is why I used past tense.
                                            Notes are still not my friend.

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                                              Like a lot of others here, I can't memorize for shit. If I didn't understand what I was doing while whatever we needed to learn was being taught in class, studying wasn't going to help.

                                              Fortunately, most things came easy to me and I graduated with a 3.8. All that work ended up being for naught since I ended up going to a technical film school that didn't even give a shit about what you did before you got there. That wasn't my plan while I was going through HS, mind you.. but it's what eventually happened.

                                              Also, if you plan on going to a community college or something before heading over to a Univ. (a lot of people do this.. for one it's a lot less expensive, plus it gives people time to kinda figure out what they wanna do if they don't know already) then don't worry tooooo much about your HS grades, because they'll look more heavily upon the more recent grades you got in CC.

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                                                The most studying I do is just set back and listen to the teacher talk, while simultaneously doodling, or having a song in my head playing.

                                                Actually strangely I study faster when I'm listen to music.

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                                                  For me the act of writing notes is how I remember. I only briefly skim them afterwards but just by writing the notes in the first place I'll remember pretty much everything.

                                                  If you're interested in what you're learning you only need to hear it once to remember it anyway though.

                                                  I don't know. Exams are easy. Papers are what take the time and effort (well, good ones, anyway).

                                                  My marks are really good, like I've gotten a 4.0 GPA the last two university semesters, but it's not because I'm trying any harder, I've just found that the higher-level History classes interest me a lot more than the lower ones did, because seminars beat the hell out of lectures.

                                                  With grades, especially high school grade,s well, there's nothing wrong with wanting to do well, just don't let it affect the other areas of your life because it's not worth it.

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                                                    Notes are worthless for me. I literally never take them.

                                                    Sure but you seem like you can absorb information like a sponge just by researching and then it stays with you. I personally learn way better by having something physical or visual attached to the information, which is why I can do something once and remember exactly how to do it the next time I need to. I recognize people years later that I saw once. Stuff like that.

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                                                      I tend to only do well in class I give a shit about. Currently, that amounts to Latin, Biology, and English.

                                                      Incidentally, those are the only three classes that don't make the course revolve around the final exams 24/7.

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                                                        I have good memory, which is perhaps a gift, or result of my habit (and I even remember information I don't really understand intil a long time later). So it took me little effort to get fairly high score in subjects like history, geography, etc. I was too satisfied with it (in other word, not interested enough) to go further.

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                                                          what do you even wanna do with yourself, cyan? you're still pretty young aren't you?

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                                                            I don't know. Exams are easy. Papers are what take the time and effort (well, good ones, anyway).

                                                            Papers are easy, I can write an A paper by waiting till last minute, sitting myself down in a computer lab three hours before sleep and just banging it out. I'm a sprinter.

                                                            Exams are hard. Too much stupid mini-information I can't be damned to remember, and am hard pressed even if I am.

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                                                              I learn by establishing foundations. I tend to grasp broad concepts first and foremost and my self study involves narrowing down and stretching ideas. I apply things, test things, and see how ideas hold up practically and I only truly feel like I understand the information after self-practice.

                                                              That probably sounds really vague. My apologies. So yeah, I don't take notes, I never have. I would just observe class, if it can even hold my attention (it never did, I'm awful with the class environment), and just hear what I can. Sometimes the above is the result of my being too bored in class to sit and do nothing and I'll actually just study what the class isn't on during class.

                                                              My actual learning would come later when I go back and read it myself from beginning to end, write things out on paper, or apply them to exercises, or quizzing myself. By taking in the information and then placing it back down, I feel like it cycles properly and I'm more likely to keep a hold on it. These might be mental quizzes where I jumble and arrange things in my head and usually are. The on paper I feel is time consuming, but I write it out too a lot.

                                                              If it's autodidactism outside of academics, I'll probably read some discourses I find online too.

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                                                                Sure but you seem like you can absorb information like a sponge just by researching and then it stays with you.

                                                                I don't unless I'm very driven, or in other words, if I care.
                                                                I can't fake giving a damn about film techniques, they won't stick.

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                                                                  what do you even wanna do with yourself, cyan? you're still pretty young aren't you?

                                                                  Music teacher or English teacher (And I will teach those little shits to appreciate Tolkien SO HELP ME GOD.)

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                                                                    I learn by establishing foundations. I tend to grasp broad concepts first and foremost and my self study involves narrowing down and stretching ideas. I apply things, test things, and see how ideas hold up practically and I only truly feel like I understand the information after self-practice.

                                                                    That is the best way to study actually.

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                                                                      Does anyone here think that math is half-useless?

                                                                      I mean I'll admit there is math that is incredibly useful to careers, but I think half of the math they teach can be cut..

                                                                      I mean unless your going to something like rocket science I can't really imagine a person needing that much math.

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                                                                        Music teacher or English teacher (And I will teach those little shits to appreciate Tolkien SO HELP ME GOD.)

                                                                        Oh neat.

                                                                        Music teacher was my last ditch effort at staying in college. I remember that well. It got me to my Associate's and so many goddamn music classes, more than I needed, and I was going to be the best music teacher. Like all ideas that involved me trying to stay in college by finding some practical career out of it, it died the moment I had to take a really easy math class and found myself too bored to waste time getting up at 7AM.

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                                                                        Does anyone here think that math is half-useless?

                                                                        I don't think any information is useless, really, but I just like bending my brain in as many dynamic ways as possible, so I'm interested in everything. I don't like leaving spaces unturned in knowledge.

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                                                                          Papers are easy, I can write an A paper by waiting till last minute, sitting myself down in a computer lab three hours before sleep and just banging it out. I'm a sprinter.

                                                                          Exams are hard. Too much stupid mini-information I can't be damned to remember, and am hard pressed even if I am.

                                                                          Ah. Well I can do the actual writing part pretty quickly, and that I usually do the night before, but I'm so anal about my research and about all the technical citation-style bullshit that I need everything really well-prepared and organized beforehand. I need a good two or three days to get all my materials carefully assembled and some breathing time between then and writing or it's going to be a disaster.

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                                                                            I think a lot of information are useless. So I choose to adsorb them selectively.
                                                                            My knowledge on biography, physics and chemistry help me work out general rule of the universe (all things work toward a balance) and I never got interested enough to study them to detail.
                                                                            I am not as extreme as Sherlock Holmes who tries to forget the Earth is round, but basically I support his way of thinking.
                                                                            And Cyan, how old are you actually?

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                                                                              Notes are worthless for me. I literally never take them.

                                                                              I take notes out of boredom and then leave them all over the place in piles. 😆 Only reason I don't toss them out? …My doodles all over them. 😊

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                                                                                And Cyan, how old are you actually?

                                                                                Contrary to what my pictures may imply, I'm 15.

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                                                                                  Ah. Well I can do the actual writing part pretty quickly, and that I usually do the night before, but I'm so anal about my research and about all the technical citation-style bullshit that I need everything really well-prepared and organized beforehand. I need a good two or three days to get all my materials carefully assembled and some breathing time between then and writing or it's going to be a disaster.

                                                                                  I half-ass my citations and all that, because it's all about how you present the information through your writing, or make your case using it. Where you got it from is no matter of substance, just technical crap.

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                                                                                    @Cyan:

                                                                                    Contrary to what my pictures may imply, I'm 15.

                                                                                    Holy shit really??

                                                                                    Wow….

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                                                                                      I don't think any information is useless, really, but I just like bending my brain in as many dynamic ways as possible, so I'm interested in everything.

                                                                                      Now I get that some math can be used in like a dozen ways like calculating your bills, doing computational work or doing blueprints and accounting or being a general math teacher but It comes to a point in whichcome across some math that makes you ask"how will this do anything for me?''

                                                                                      I find history much better and more useful, and all around more interesting.

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                                                                                        @Cyan:

                                                                                        Contrary to what my pictures may imply, I'm 15.

                                                                                        My cutsie, widdle Cyan~ pinches cheeks

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                                                                                          I'm 15.

                                                                                          The greatest reveal this year.

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                                                                                            @JERK:

                                                                                            Do u miss Gran Colombia…

                                                                                            Heh, the first republic, the dream of Simon Bolivar, and Francisco de Miranda (the true dreamer of this shit), to unite all latin american countries under one flag, only colombia, venezuela, ecuador, and a bit of panama followed suit. It was a fake union too, the countries weren't tied together by anything other than paper, it didn't exist for 20 years.

                                                                                            The same xenophobic feeling generated great misstrust for the westernmost states, and the presidents that were born there.

                                                                                            I need to touch up on my history.

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                                                                                              Funny thing about presenting in class. There are some students that sound like robotic hacks(fake smile/creepy eye contact and all) saying things they probably repeated to themselves countless times. It's almost like those brainwashed cult members I ran into once.

                                                                                              When I do speeches, I use my own nervousness to humor the crowd a bit. Sometimes I'm a bit sarcastic about information on particular people (like that jackass Sigmund Freud)

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                                                                                                I admit I always wait til the last minute to do homework. But it hasn't bit me in the ass yet so maybe I'm getting good at procrastinating and rushing homework at the last possible moment?

                                                                                                Obviously I try to avoid group projects like the plague.

                                                                                                Also for some weird reason I am a god among men in giving presentations. Even when I barely know what I'm talking about. Not complaining though.

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                                                                                                  Nami must be the only one who always thought Cyan talked like a 15 years old.
                                                                                                  I think studying advanced math can be useful in that we can extract from it some general rules in solving certain logical problem in ordinary life and work.
                                                                                                  Just learn the way.

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                                                                                                    One of my favorite presentations was with a friend and it was about how to read a simple, story book in an interesting way. We used different voices, took turns, I made a wind impersonation and then used a rain-stick for 'special sound effects'. Our audience was naturally captivated. 🆒

                                                                                                    Those are the presentations I love doing. Presentations that have me basically reading what I wrote, not only bore me to death but also make me nervous as heck and I usually mess up during those one way or another. 😞

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                                                                                                      Nami must be the only one who always thought Cyan talked like a 15 years old.
                                                                                                      I think studying advanced math can be useful in that we can extract from it some general rules in solving certain logical problem in ordinary life and work.
                                                                                                      Just learn the way.

                                                                                                      I struggle at long division still.

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                                                                                                        One of the things I hate most is when presentations are literally read from the powerpoint.

                                                                                                        Guys use the powerpoint to HELP your presentation, not read the entire powerpoint verbatim.

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