Really loved the chapter. That last spread of the Kraken is so amazing i can't stop looking at it.
His bounty is 210 million…
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Chapter 604: "Into the Depths" Discussion
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Crocodile is stronger than Blackbeard because his bounty was way bigger.
Bounties are meant to be the same as the scouter numbers from Dragonball.
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Crocodile is stronger than Blackbeard because his bounty was way bigger.
Bounties are meant to be the same as the scouter numbers from Dragonball.
can you relax with the bounty thing? Blackbeard had the shitty bounty b4 his newfound powers. He'll obviously get a bounty rise and in certain cases. Bounty determines the strength of an enemy. Why do you think people always put emphasis that luffy is a 300mil (now 400) bounty pirate captain. Or when he had a mere 30mil and bellamy mocked him 4 it.
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I really like how Caribou, the logia, was treated by shit by the crew. Really puts their power in a nice perspective. The New World level pirates treating rookies like they're nothing.
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I can't wait for Zoro to get his fire sword
if he ever does get it XDand Luffy taming that thing! I want luffy to get a pet…. but not sure if Chopper counts as that pet. hahaha.
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Bounties only refer to the danger someone poses to the government. There is no other point to the bounties. They are not a measure of strength, unless you consider that stronger people are more of a threat to the government.
The government doesn't give two shits about some strong guy living in a city minding his own business. This is why Zoro (as far as I know) did not have a bounty until the strawhats beat Crocodile and his organization.
The same thing could be said for all bounty hunters in the One Piece world.
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The only time it was 270 was when it wasn't clear on the spoiler pics for chap 600.
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Crocodile is stronger than Blackbeard because his bounty was way bigger.
Bounties are meant to be the same as the scouter numbers from Dragonball.
80kk was his first go round. The level he was at he could probably take on BB before he got the gura gura no mi. Or even after; hell we haven't see what he can do with it. Croc can still take him long range. Point is he's coerced (I think thats a good word) some legends into following him he's a fucking brilliant pirate (much like the real blackbeard) and desecrated marineford.
Cariboo is probably really fucking strong but other than that he hasn't showed us much. Though it's about right to judge a person's power/threat level by their bounty. Of course some captains are judged by how strong there crew is but think about it if they took their crew and jumped you that's basically all his power.
Crocodile may not have even been a logia when he got his bounty. Anyways we can expect caribou to be about as strong as a man worth 200 million beli. The shichibukai are the special cases.
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Gotta give props to Boiga and Dinty for bringing super interesting discussions. I started to join the bandwagon about krakens in thriller bark since the spoiler thread and I expected luminesence from fish or something to make the city like up like a cartoon version of Atlantis or how Vegas can look beautiful. I'm expecting fishman island to have their own culture like Skypiea so the "beauty" and light is "fishman/merman" made so to speak.
Also nice reference on page 11 about that line about Elbaf weapons. Definitely looking it up to see if there's foreshadowing in that line.
Caribou is intelligent for not fighting. 9 on 1 is suicidal. It's the right move. There's a chance he knows Luffy uses haki already if he knows about it since he saw Luffy take out the Pacifista. And I'm warmig up to the idea that he's not insane brave like the crew. It fits better with his dirty tactics, but I definitely think he's a lot less scared than he's letting on. Plus, he was able to bounce back after a kick in the face by Sanji. I'm still a fan.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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can you relax with the bounty thing? Blackbeard had the shitty bounty b4 his newfound powers.
He had the shitty bounty when he beat Ace, a guy strong enough to wipe out a notable NW Pirate by himself.
If bounties are scouter numbers than Ace should not have lost.
Bounty determines the strength of an enemy.
Not in the way scouters do.
Why do you think people always put emphasis that luffy is a 300mil (now 400) bounty pirate captain. Or when he had a mere 30mil and bellamy mocked him 4 it.
None of that stuff shows that bounties are actually exact power levels in the vein of scouter numbers.
Do you remember Robin, the 8 year old girl who got a bounty up there with Crocodile. And was beaten quick enough by said Croc in her adulthood.
Bounties are not scouter numbers. Oda has shown so too many times.
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I can't wait for Zoro to get his fire sword
if he ever does get it XDand Luffy taming that thing! I want luffy to get a pet…. but not sure if Chopper counts as that pet. hahaha.
Blue Demon Flames. You heard it here first
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He had the shitty bounty when he beat Ace, a guy strong enough to wipe out a notable NW Pirate by himself.
If bounties are scouter numbers than Ace should not have lost.
Not in the way scouters do.
None of that stuff shows that bounties are actually exact power levels in the vein of scouter numbers.
Do you remember Robin, the 8 year old girl who got a bounty up there with Crocodile. And was beaten quick enough by said Croc in her adulthood.
Bounties are not scouter numbers. Oda has shown so too many times.
he had the bounty b4 he got his fruit. He was on white beard's ship for 40 years facepalm maybe not 40 but a long time if i remember. Ace lost simply because he did not know of the fruit's powers and underestimated BB for a chump/coward
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would it be safe to say that the kraken is the biggest creature in one piece so far?
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Actually, she got pissed with Brook just a few chapters ago, kicking him into the side of the ship, giving him a convulsion. That is one strong kick.
Well he kinda deserved it.
It probably became the "official way" to greet each other.
Nami did not ost her cool. SHe seems less easely annoyed by Luffy's antics at least.
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@ultimateclima:
Gotta give props to Boiga and Dinty for bringing super interesting discussions. I started to join the bandwagon about krakens in thriller bark since the spoiler thread and I expected luminesence from fish or something to make the city like up like a cartoon version of Atlantis or how Vegas can look beautiful. I'm expecting fishman island to have their own culture like Skypiea so the "beauty" and light is "fishman/merman" made so to speak.
I give props to them and the people who continued the discussion. That includes you, ultimate.
Am I the only one who hopes to see some oriental influence in there somewhere? Besides the night view of Vegas, Atlantis, or the plenty bubbles, that is. It'd be interesting to see how they'd be merged.
Good thing Oda got that new inker.
Well he kinda deserved it.
It probably became the "official way" to greet each other.
Nami did not ost her cool. SHe seems less easely annoyed by Luffy's antics at least.
She's gotten used to those antics. Everyone in the crew has. And, even though Oda didn't show her facial expression as she kicked him, it seems pretty obvious that she got angry.
Edit: God, I can't stop laughing at this discussion. I just have to say it.
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would it be safe to say that the kraken is the biggest creature in one piece so far?
It's unclear if nothing in the calm belt was supposed to be larger. Based on the Thriller Bark scene, I would imagine that yes, it's supposed to be the largest, but it's certainly possible that Oda's sense of scale was off then, or when he drew the original calm belt scene, or in this past chapter.
But it is safe to say that the creature that we saw at Thriller Bark, whether or not that was this Kraken, is the creature that Oda has drawn to appear the largest, period (even larger than the Skypiea shadows, IIRC).
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he had the bounty b4 he got his fruit. He was on white beard's ship for 40 years facepalm maybe not 40 but a long time if i remember. Ace lost simply because he did not know of the fruit's powers and underestimated BB for a chump/coward
Robin's bounty used to be higher than Luffy's. Does that mean she used to be stronger than Luffy?
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Bounties only refer to the danger someone poses to the government. There is no other point to the bounties. They are not a measure of strength, unless you consider that stronger people are more of a threat to the government.
The government doesn't give two shits about some strong guy living in a city minding his own business. This is why Zoro (as far as I know) did not have a bounty until the strawhats beat Crocodile and his organization.
The same thing could be said for all bounty hunters in the One Piece world.
Reposting because people missed it first time.
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he had the bounty b4 he got his fruit. He was on white beard's ship for 40 years facepalm maybe not 40 but a long time if i remember.
No. Blackbeard did not have a bounty of any sort prior to joining the Shichibukai and likely did not get one until the WG gave him one after the war. He kept a low profile on purpose.
Ace lost simply because he did not know of the fruit's powers and underestimated BB for a chump/coward
He didn't know about BB's DF disabling the first time around but he figured it out soon enough.
And he underestimated a guy who killed a WB DC. Really.
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are there really idiots out there who think bounties are like scouters….. i'm guessing there just really bad trolls
I mean black beard is one of the strongest pirates alive and had no bounty
is sanji weaker than 7 year old robin
hell that lip service guy couldn't do shit against a pascifista even chopper could do something.... or is chopper trhe weakest ofthe SH's because of his bounty
do people actually believe hancock and robin are the same strength
are they stupid enough to believe franky was weaker than bellamy
So luffy was stronger than kuma then since his bounty was so much greater
really these 2010 trolls need to stop
people ignore Nycprodigy he's a troll and trolls go away if not noticed
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No. Blackbeard did not have a bounty of any sort prior to joining the Shichibukai and likely did not get one until the WG gave him one after the war. He kept a low profile on purpose.
He didn't know about BB's DF disabling the first time around but he figured it out soon enough.
And he underestimated a guy who killed a WB DC. Really.
do you think the government would give him such a low bounty when most of the world saw that he has the yami and gura? he had it b4 he joined. Lafitte gave them a wanted poster stating that he knew that the bounty was small but this is a promising man or something along those lines
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are there really idiots out there who think bounties are like scouters….. i'm guessing there just really bad trolls
I mean black beard is one of the strongest pirates alive and had no bounty
is sanji weaker than 7 year old robin
hell that lip service guy couldn't do shit against a pascifista even chopper could do something.... or is chopper trhe weakest ofthe SH's because of his bounty
do people actually believe hancock and robin are the same strength
are they stupid enough to believe franky was weaker than bellamy
So luffy was stronger than kuma then since his bounty was so much greater
really these 2010 trolls need to stop
people ignore Nycprodigy he's a troll and trolls go away if not noticed
excuse me how am i a troll? Most people are basically strong when they have high bounties. No it doesnt mean that dragon is the strongest person alive because he has the highest bounty, they obviously aid that whitebeard is the str… was the strongest. But what i am saying is. Would they give a pirate with haoshouku and had the gura fruit a 20 mil bounty? Obviously not because they might become a huge threat to the WG. So the WG wants them dead. HOWEVER poeple with high intelligence like the Pharans were wiped out because of their theory on the void century. Robin was giving 79m because she escaped and her bounty was made believable because she was believed to have destroyed 5 battleships at 8 years old. Now tell me that is not made to believe that she is strong while the WG really know why they gave her the bounty that they did.
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Am I the only one who hopes to see some oriental influence in there somewhere? Besides the night view of Vegas, Atlantis, or the plenty bubbles, that is. It'd be interesting to see how they'd be merged.
Good thing Oda got that new inker
Curious, are you thinkng oriental because of how fishmen have been portrayed so far in the story or is there another reason you think it'll have an "oriental" feel?
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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well what i want to know is how the fishmen came to be. Not they were magically there like giants and trolls, troll giants, or even giant trolls. I want to see a logical explanation on how what were once human (hopefull) learned to survive in underwater conditions. Atleast put an effort into it Oda
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But it is safe to say that the creature that we saw at Thriller Bark, whether or not that was this Kraken, is the creature that Oda has drawn to appear the largest, period (even larger than the Skypiea shadows, IIRC).
Yup, looks like this Kraken beats the turtle from Jaya.
Wait was Laboon bigger than that turtle?
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excuse me how am i a troll? Most people are basically strong when they have high bounties. No it doesnt mean that dragon is the strongest person alive because he has the highest bounty, they obviously aid that whitebeard is the str… was the strongest. But what i am saying is. Would they give a pirate with haoshouku and had the gura fruit a 20 mil bounty? Obviously not because they might become a huge threat to the WG. So the WG wants them dead. HOWEVER poeple with high intelligence like the Pharans were wiped out because of their theory on the void century. Robin was giving 79m because she escaped and her bounty was made believable because she was believed to have destroyed 5 battleships at 8 years old. Now tell me that is not made to believe that she is strong while the WG really know why they gave her the bounty that they did.
wait is it you are that bottlenose guy who says bounties are like scouters cause if it's him I apologize but if it's you your basically contradicting yourself here, bounties are based off threat levels not, not just power, do they kill constantly do they attack the WG directly etc etc. there's many many many things that go into giving someone a bounty not just power levels
and BB kicked the crap out of ace because he was stronger than him, he put the scar on shanks he's clearly a top dog in no way comparable to Ace
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@ultimateclima:
Curious, are you thinkng oriental because of how fishmen have been portrayed so far in the story or is there another reason you think it'll have an "oriental" feel?
I don't see a correlation between "Fishmen" and "Oriental" at all. I just suspect that Oda could get creative combining ideas from legends of all around the world into one place. Seeing the location of FI, it could fit; it's at a point that separates the New World and "Paradise", as well as a bit of the four oceans.
If there's no Oriental feel to it, I won't mind.
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excuse me how am i a troll? Most people are basically strong when they have high bounties. No it doesnt mean that dragon is the strongest person alive because he has the highest bounty, they obviously aid that whitebeard is the str… was the strongest. But what i am saying is. Would they give a pirate with haoshouku and had the gura fruit a 20 mil bounty? Obviously not because they might become a huge threat to the WG. So the WG wants them dead. HOWEVER poeple with high intelligence like the Pharans were wiped out because of their theory on the void century. Robin was giving 79m because she escaped and her bounty was made believable because she was believed to have destroyed 5 battleships at 8 years old. Now tell me that is not made to believe that she is strong while the WG really know why they gave her the bounty that they did.
Do you actually read the story or just skim throught it? Robin was given the bounty because she can read poneglyphs. The WG covered it up by blaming her for Saul's sinking of the battleships to hide tha her knowledge about poneglyphs was the real reason they wanted her turned in
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do you think the government would give him such a low bounty when most of the world saw that he has the yami and gura? he had it b4 he joined. Lafitte gave them a wanted poster stating that he knew that the bounty was small but this is a promising man or something along those lines
Thing is, besides Ace, practically nobody (moreover, nobody as far as bounty-assigning goes) knew that he had the Yami Yami no Mi. As Kuma said in TB, Blackbeard had a bounty of zero when he was inducted into the Shichibukai. He most certainly has one now after his actions at the war, but he did not have one before it.
Also, lolz@ you thinking Caribou's a pussy. As others have asked, do you actually read the series? He's not gonna rush in headlong against the man with the highest (known) bounty in the series and his eight crewmen, especially on their own goddamn boat thousands of metres below the surface of the ocean. It's called thinking before acting, and it shows a surprising amount of sensibility as far as villains generally go in this series. He's obviously planning on slaughtering them at all; why on earth would you call him a pussy?
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well what i want to know is how the fishmen came to be. Not they were magically there like giants and trolls, troll giants, or even giant trolls. I want to see a logical explanation on how what were once human (hopefull) learned to survive in underwater conditions. Atleast put an effort into it Oda
We're only halfway through the story; I'm sure you'll get something about it.
Great chapter, even if only for the Kraken (though there was lots more I liked but it's One Piece, every chapter has lots to like :P). I've been waiting for that for a lonnnng time. Glad to see it lives up to its name.
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@Freddy:
Do you actually read the story or just skim throught it? Robin was given the bounty because she can read ponyglyphs. The WG covered it up with the battleship thing to hide that it was the real reason they wanted her.
this, i didn't really read his answer just skimmed it so i assumed when i read the battle ship thing he was talking about how they just said that…. i assume too much
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wait is it you are that bottlenose guy who says bounties are like scouters cause if it's him I apologize but if it's you your basically contradicting yourself here, bounties are based off threat levels not, not just power, do they kill constantly do they attack the WG directly etc etc. there's many many many things that go into giving someone a bounty not just power levels
and BB kicked the crap out of ace because he was stronger than him, he put the scar on shanks he's clearly a top dog in no way comparable to Ace
no one said they were like scouters 0.o you did. I just said that to me if i see a new character with 210 mil (Cari) then i expect him to be a real threat. Though this isnt always the case as people with as low bounties as franky with 44mil can kick his ass. But as you said if they can make the people at WG crap themselves then they need a higher bounty. This explains why luffy's bounty is so much higher than the rest of his crew, even though it should be much much higher considering they didnt add the enies lobby most of impel down, moria and many other incidents
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@Freddy:
Do you actually read the story or just skim throught it? Robin was given the bounty because she can read poneglyphs. The WG covered it up by blaming her for Saul's sinking of the battleships to hide tha her knowledge about poneglyphs was the real reason they wanted her turned in
sigh you have seem to misread my post. (sanji style) Robin read poneglyph bad. WG need reason 4 high bounty. % destroyed battleships 2 make civilians think she is a real threat.
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no one said they were like scouters 0.o you did. I just said that to me if i see a new character with 210 mil (Cari) then i expect him to be a real threat. Though this isnt always the case as people with as low bounties as franky with 44mil can kick his ass. But as you said if they can make the people at WG crap themselves then they need a higher bounty. This explains why luffy's bounty is so much higher than the rest of his crew, even though it should be much much higher considering they didnt add the enies lobby most of impel down, moria and many other incidents
Dude… stop... Let me make this clear for you: BOUNTIES ARE ONLY A MEASURE OF THE DANGER SOMEONE POSES TO THE GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE NOT A MEASURE OF STRENGTH IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
Seriously, how can I make it clearer for you? If Buggy was suddenly to recruit people who are strong and caused trouble in government owned territories his bounty would go up no matter whether he was stronger or not.
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Thing is, besides Ace, practically nobody (moreover, nobody as far as bounty-assigning goes) knew that he had the Yami Yami no Mi. As Kuma said in TB, Blackbeard had a bounty of zero when he was inducted into the Shichibukai. He most certainly has one now after his actions at the war, but he did not have one before it.
Also, lolz@ you thinking Caribou's a pussy. As others have asked, do you actually read the series? He's not gonna rush in headlong against the man with the highest (known) bounty in the series and his eight crewmen, especially on their own goddamn boat thousands of metres below the surface of the ocean. It's called thinking before acting, and it shows a surprising amount of sensibility as far as villains generally go in this series. He's obviously planning on slaughtering them at all; why on earth would you call him a pussy?
First Tri post of the night. Boy do i need 2 learn how 2 multi. Anyways i know caribou is level headed but he is way to dependant on his crew. People like luffy would just rush in (Enies lobby) and dont say its because ITS LUFFY cause i hate hearing that. Caribou jumped on the ship, gave commands, and then he panicked (mispelt?) when he was out numbered. But his original plan was to just kill them which would not be successful either. But when its 1 vs 9 he gives up. that is y on earth i would call him a pussy. PLease tell me if you need further elaboration, because apparently one opinion that I gave tonight turned into me being called a troll, dumb ass, and an idiot who skims through pages -_-
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@Don:
Robin always got the spot a bit beside the whole crew…but she looks awesome and i like her look at Luffy.
I know I'm very late but the image to me looks more like Robin and Zoro are looking at each other. :ninja:
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Dude… stop... Let me make this clear for you: BOUNTIES ARE ONLY A MEASURE OF THE DANGER SOMEONE POSES TO THE GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE NOT A MEASURE OF STRENGTH IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
Seriously, how can I make it clearer for you? If Buggy was suddenly to recruit people who are strong and caused trouble in government owned territories his bounty would go up no matter whether he was stronger or not.
Don Krieg - Attacked marines as any pirate does, extremely strong -bounty
Luffy- new guy starting an adventure - beats up some strong East Blue guys- bounty
And all the shicibukai were recruited from strength and threat level. What knowledge does miwhawk posses? we have no idea. But if you were in the WG would you want a guy who is the strongest swordsman in the world after you? Its not just a threat level. This has been proven in some cases. Oda never stated whether or not it was based on strength or threat level to WG as far as i know (i dont follow SBSs) and im sure it uses both in some cases. I have a bunch of other examples. Using red font and all caps wont make me think so otherwise. PLus remember Oda is a DBZ fan, im not saying that bounties would = scouter but this is the guy who bases some of his greatest creations off of DBZ stuff.
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Can we end all of this as a matter of fact. We spent 4 pages screamin at me. And if anything it makes me look bad for continuing an argument. So i dont care your all right im wrong, i'll keep my beliefs with me til the end of the series
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The Kraken looks not the least intimidating to either me or to luffy. That's for sure.
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Are Robin and Hancock on the same level.
Because you know, bounties.
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sigh, and your right koala man i really disliked the Krakken also. Doesn't look like much of a challenge but i can already see where Luffy is headed with this taming nonsense
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no one said they were like scouters 0.o you did. I just said that to me if i see a new character with 210 mil (Cari) then i expect him to be a real threat. Though this isnt always the case as people with as low bounties as franky with 44mil can kick his ass. But as you said if they can make the people at WG crap themselves then they need a higher bounty. This explains why luffy's bounty is so much higher than the rest of his crew, even though it should be much much higher considering they didnt add the enies lobby most of impel down, moria and many other incidents
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I never did I was replying to that ridiculous idea by being sarcastic
and he's not a threat because he's there to show how strong the SH's have gotten, he's at the level the SN's were at two years ago, he's not gonna be stronger than them when they have a two year lead
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I loved the little evidence of bonding between Luffy and Zoro
So Zoro, where did you get blown to?
I wish he'd said.
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I think FI is now in constant invasion of bounty hunters and pirates kidnapping mermaids and fishermen.
I think Arlong leads a fraction anti human.His followers are fishmen who think that WB betrayed them by going on a war to save one human at the risk of their safety.
ANother faction might be lead by Jinbei that believe in peaceful human coexistence.
I think this arc might be full of twist, betrayal and ambiguity.
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Don Krieg - Attacked marines as any pirate does, extremely strong -bounty
Luffy- new guy starting an adventure - beats up some strong East Blue guys- bountyHe got his bounty after he beat on a marine. Here's proof:
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He, was willing to harm the marines and had beat up other strong enemies (by east standards) in the past. THE MARINE SAW HIM AS A THREAT. If you don't understand this there is no point in talking with you.
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Mohmoo FTW !!!
