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    • Zkaiser
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      @Jonathan:

      Dolphins have been declared the world’s second most intelligent creatures after humans, with scientists suggesting they are so bright that they should be treated as “non-human persons”.

      Studies into dolphin behaviour have highlighted how similar their communications are to those of humans and that they are brighter than chimpanzees. These have been backed up by anatomical research showing that dolphin brains have many key features associated with high intelligence.

      The researchers argue that their work shows it is morally unacceptable to keep such intelligent animals in amusement parks or to kill them for food or by accident when fishing. Some 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in this way each year.

      “Many dolphin brains are larger than our own and second in mass only to the human brain when corrected for body size,” said Lori Marino, a zoologist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, who has used magnetic resonance imaging scans to map the brains of dolphin species and compare them with those of primates.

      “The neuroanatomy suggests psychological continuity between humans and dolphins and has profound implications for the ethics of human-dolphin interactions,” she added.

      Dolphins have long been recognised as among the most intelligent of animals but many researchers had placed them below chimps, which some studies have found can reach the intelligence levels of three-year-old children. Recently, however, a series of behavioural studies has suggested that dolphins, especially species such as the bottlenose, could be the brighter of the two. The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.

      It has also become clear that they are “cultural” animals, meaning that new types of behaviour can quickly be picked up by one dolphin from another.

      In one study, Diana Reiss, professor of psychology at Hunter College, City University of New York, showed that bottlenose dolphins could recognise themselves in a mirror and use it to inspect various parts of their bodies, an ability that had been thought limited to humans and great apes.

      In another, she found that captive animals also had the ability to learn a rudimentary symbol-based language.

      Other research has shown dolphins can solve difficult problems, while those living in the wild co-operate in ways that imply complex social structures and a high level of emotional sophistication.

      In one recent case, a dolphin rescued from the wild was taught to tail-walk while recuperating for three weeks in a dolphinarium in Australia.

      After she was released, scientists were astonished to see the trick spreading among wild dolphins who had learnt it from the former captive.

      There are many similar examples, such as the way dolphins living off Western Australia learnt to hold sponges over their snouts to protect themselves when searching for spiny fish on the ocean floor.

      Such observations, along with others showing, for example, how dolphins could co-operate with military precision to round up shoals of fish to eat, have prompted questions about the brain structures that must underlie them.

      Size is only one factor. Researchers have found that brain size varies hugely from around 7oz for smaller cetacean species such as the Ganges River dolphin to more than 19lb for sperm whales, whose brains are the largest on the planet. Human brains, by contrast, range from 2lb-4lb, while a chimp’s brain is about 12oz.

      When it comes to intelligence, however, brain size is less important than its size relative to the body.

      What Marino and her colleagues found was that the cerebral cortex and neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that “the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain”. They also found that the brain cortex of dolphins such as the bottlenose had the same convoluted folds that are strongly linked with human intelligence.

      Such folds increase the volume of the cortex and the ability of brain cells to interconnect with each other. “Despite evolving along a different neuroanatomical trajectory to humans, cetacean brains have several features that are correlated with complex intelligence,” Marino said.

      Marino and Reiss will present their findings at a conference in San Diego, California, next month, concluding that the new evidence about dolphin intelligence makes it morally repugnant to mistreat them.

      Thomas White, professor of ethics at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, who has written a series of academic studies suggesting dolphins should have rights, will speak at the same conference.

      “The scientific research . . . suggests that dolphins are ‘non-human persons’ who qualify for moral standing as individuals,” he said.

      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6973994.ece

      This is pretty boss. I liked the part about how the wild dolphins to tail walk from the once captured dolphin.

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        Well, I was already against keeping dolphins in captivity, but I feel that way about any zoo/ aquarium animal. I wish they had said how intelligent they could get though. All it said was above a 3 year old human.

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          time to make friends with dolphins

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          • Cyan D. Funk
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            Does this mean it's possible to mate with dolphins now.

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              But they're so tasty.

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                This is real neat, but not unexpected for me. Dolphin behaviors have been studied for quite some time now, and it's surprising no one had considered them any smarter earlier. Not just for positive traits either, but for things like bullying, sadism, and mental disorders which can lead to gleeful murder and infanticide. Fits with the individuality part, I'd say; still makes me wary of bottlenecks, though.

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                  captured dolphin.

                  Yes ?

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                    Foxes > humans AND dolphins

                    This study is wrong.

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                      Heh, I was just wondering what trappedolphin would have to say about this. XD
                      Or for that matter, Malintex Terex (I could be wrong, but isn't he the one who apparently hates dolphins?).

                      Anywho, crazy article. Get back to me when we invent collars that let them communicate in English a la the dogs in Up. Then we can call them people.

                      EDIT: I realize that was mighty small-minded to suggest English collars. Rather, collars that enable human-like vocalization.

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                        yeah, I've been trying to alert scientists and the public like about the dire state of dolphins and how much more they deserve. finally they start listening.

                        (but seriously, as much as I respect and like dolphins it's a little tough to start calling them people…)

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                          in before Malintex Terek's rant

                          …

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                            Man dolphins are kick-ass but I wish they literally could kick human ass to deal with all the bullshit they go through.

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                              This is pretty cool. Dolphins were always awesome creatures.

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                                @CCC:

                                Or for that matter, Malintex Terex (I could be wrong, but isn't he the one who apparently hates dolphins?).

                                It's not so much I hate them, I think arguing that dolphins should be specifically protected based on "intelligence" is retarded. I have other reasons as well, but that's the big one.

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                                  Oh I see.

                                  But what if they started talking???!?!?!!! What then?!
                                  I don't think I could eat tuna sandwiches anymore.

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                                    @Malintex_Terek:

                                    It's not so much I hate them, I think arguing that dolphins should be specifically protected based on "intelligence" is retarded. I have other reasons as well, but that's the big one.

                                    That's kind of a good point, protecting someone based on intelligence is kind of silly. Malintex I don't know what your reasons are, but as for me I mean it's really a self-righteous that puts one species ahead because there's something special. Whatever all life is created equal, doesn't all life deserve to thrive?

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                                      @CCC:

                                      Oh I see.

                                      But what if they started talking???!?!?!!! What then?!
                                      I don't think I could eat tuna sandwiches anymore.

                                      Wasn't there a The Simpsons episode that dealt with that scenario?

                                      We'd still eat them.

                                      This isn't Narnia.

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                                        The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.

                                        I hate to break it to you, but a lot of animals have those. I have two turtles, both the same species, and they have very distinct personalities that any random person can see. One is optimistic, outgoing, and curious, and he rarely hides from people. The other is timid, uncertain, and doesn't even beg for food.
                                        I'm sure you can ask any dog owner about their dog's ability to plan for mealtime or a walk, if it's on a regular schedule. Keep in mind, dogs can't read clocks.
                                        Oh yeah, if your dog is house-trained, that's a form of planning.

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                                          On the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much–the wheel, New York, wars and so on--while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man--for precisely the same reasons.

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                                            @RobbyBevard:

                                            On the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much–the wheel, New York, wars and so on--while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man--for precisely the same reasons.

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                                              Dolphins are just gay sharks.

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                                                Sharks are just lesbian dolphins.

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                                                  @Mister_Anbu:

                                                  Sharks are just lesbian dolphins.

                                                  So sharks are better than dolphins.

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                                                    I noticed, but still.. Kitsune, just damn.

                                                    Well it could go both ways.

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                                                      I've never tasted dolphin, so I can't pass judgement.

                                                      Yes, I realize I'm a horrible person. I think chickens are cute, but damn do they taste good.

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                                                        @Insider2000:

                                                        I've never tasted dolphin, so I can't pass judgement.

                                                        A friend of mine has tried it. Apparently it tastes like "fishy" beef. I think if one ate a hamburger with cod on the side, it would probably taste similar.

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                                                          @Cyan:

                                                          so long and thanks for all the fish

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                                                            God gave humans dominion over all animals folks.
                                                            It says so in the Bible.

                                                            This discussion is over.

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                                                              @Malintex_Terek:

                                                              Wasn't there a The Simpsons episode that dealt with that scenario?

                                                              We'd still eat them.

                                                              This isn't Narnia.

                                                              dude wth, I wouldn't eat something that talked.

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                                                                @Airflow:

                                                                dude wth, I wouldn't eat something that talked.

                                                                Depends on how many talking animals there are.

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                                                                  dude wth, I wouldn't eat something that talked.

                                                                  I ate a parrot once.

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                                                                    I was offered human meat once. Though it looked to stringy for my tastes.

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                                                                      @Bobjr:

                                                                      I was offered human meat once. Though it looked to stringy for my tastes.

                                                                      Now I know to steer clear of Ohio.

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                                                                        There's multiple reasons to steer clear of Ohio.

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                                                                          You need a reason to steer clear of Ohio?

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                                                                            Ohio is like a bottom 5 state.

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                                                                                Don't talk shit about Ohio!

                                                                                I'll cut you up and sell you to my neighbors!

                                                                                WE EAT PEOPLE!

                                                                                There! I said it!

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                                                                                  mmmmm BBQ pull-human sandwich sounds soooo delicious. Also I bet dolphin broth is awesome.

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                                                                                    I've had barracuda before and that was delicious.

                                                                                    I wonder, would the extra intelligence add more flavor?

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                                                                                        I apparently had an ancestor who ate human flesh. Knowing what goes inside humans nowadays I doubt I'd ever do it myself.

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                                                                                          @Gekko135:

                                                                                          I wonder, would the extra intelligence add more flavor?

                                                                                          No doubt.

                                                                                          Octopi are probably more intelligent than most mammals.

                                                                                          You ever had takoyaki?

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                                                                                            Octopi are definitely the coolest animals on this planet.
                                                                                            I took a diving course in an aquarium in the summer.
                                                                                            My instructor told me a story about how the resident octopus used to crawl out of his cage during the night and steal fish from nearby tanks.
                                                                                            After finishing its meal it closed the cage so no one would notice
                                                                                            Now these were expensive fish, a few suspected employees were fired before the true culprit was caught.

                                                                                            Fuck them dolphins, I'm all for Octopi suffrage!

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                                                                                              Hmm… have they done tests to see if octopi can recognize themselves in mirrors and think about the future? I wonder if those sorts of cognitive abilities are requisite landmarks on the intelligence scale, or if there are multiple scales, such that while octopi might never understand mirrors, they might exhibit an particular intelligence-based skill that dolphins never could.

                                                                                              In any case, takoyaki sure is tasty 😄

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                                                                                                The aquarium employees always gave the octopus puzzles to solve so it wouldn't get bored. (Yes, they can actually get bored and when they do, they start eating themselves)

                                                                                                Most of it just involved putting food in different containers with different mechanisms and the octopus would have to find a way to get it.

                                                                                                Once they hid a key in chest, and the key would open another chest with food in it. The octopus couldn't figure it out, so it just squeezed in through the keyhole, ate the food and got out.
                                                                                                Wondrous animals indeed. 🆒

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                                                                                                  Paul the octopus.

                                                                                                  … yeah.

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                                                                                                    Paul the octopus.

                                                                                                    … yeah.

                                                                                                    Apparently he died two days ago.

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                                                                                                      yep. now the octopus species is only half as smart as it used to be.

                                                                                                      Handsome man save me from the monsters.

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                                                                                                        I ate a parrot once.

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