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I'd reckon littlefinger wouldn't make for a terrible king at all. But the interesting part is how would he exactly achieve this?
Littlefinger succeeds when he becomes the bridge between different groups while making sure the groups themselves don't talk with each other without him. He thrives in hostility between houses not unity. I am not sure how effective he would be as a king if there was a crisis in the kingdom with a credible alliance against him
He was in unity all since he started his career. His only brokering was between the lanisters and the tyrels. He built weak alliances that could not be sustained with the explicit purpose of knocking them down. He has money that he cheated the realm to get and tricked the vale intob submission, and those that he intendsn to keep thrive.
! I loved this episode :') Man, Olenna and Lyanna Mormont are kickass. Arya, you go girl! Baking that pie all by yourself!
Cersei is so gonna get throttled by Jaimie :U
! I kinda wish the season had ended with Gendry still rowing somewhere though :'D Maybe Danny and her fleet will pass him by in the next season, or he'll cross streams with Brienne and Pod
Gendry must have rowed his way west of Westeros by now as foreshadowed by Arya. He will become the prophecised leader of the people living there and lead them to the Last Battle. Long live Gendry the Wyld.
In other news, I'm kind of looking forward to one of the dragons getting killed in combat. Mostly because they seem so untouchable right now.
Considering that cersei seems oblivious to them, euron and the citadel lacking their mistical components and dorne declaring for Danny, unless little finger has an arsenal of scorpions (balista? Those big siege crossbows) only the nigth king can challenge her now.
Cersei is rigth now fucked, I don't see her surviving next season.
I don't think that sansa wants that, she did offer the lordship to Jon and she has what she wants for now, and Jon just want the title for the war of winter.
About legitimacy. Fuck legitimacy, power begets power, the targs aren't legitimate, they are just conquerors, just as the baratheon are usurpers. Whomever claims the throne and holds it is the rightful one. Considering that the economic aspect has been swept away, and now Danny has the biggest army and the dragons, little finger is not in a good position.
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She could always just put the finger and leave it at that.
That's actually exactly where I was going with it. Rober won it by force, but he did have targaryan blood. Beleif is also power, and if people believe that legitimacy is inherited then lines and families do have power, of course unless you have military power.
Danys army is only powerful thanks to her dragons, but her dragons can be killed just like the giants can. If you read the history of ASOIF you learn that the dragons actually became extinct thanks to the maesters. Aego the conqueror took all of westeros with only 3 dragons and a very tiny army. That was the first time westeros saw dragons so he took the entire land with shock and awe.
many years after that event…?Give it some time and humans devised techniques and weapons against them, thats why all the dragons skeletons lie under the red keep and everywhere inside, they are all extinct..until danyrys. I don't want Danys conquest to be a repeat of Aegon the Congueror, it would be a fucking snoozefest. Bottom line without the dragons the armies of the Westeros are way more experienced and better equipped. The army of the tyrels or the vale would be able to win against them. I wouldn't count littlefinger out.
I disagree with you about sansa. That's what she did initially, but once everyone started cheering for jon snow she projected herself and what it would feel like to have so many people root for you. Sansa has always been in the backstage, watching everyone get what they want, while she remained a pawn. Sansa doesn't want that anymore, she wants to be the player herself. During that moment you see she is kind of disappointed because she did help win winterfell for Jon snow. And the eye contact/facial experession with Littlefinger was exactly the symbolic gesture of kind of expressing what Littlefinger said earlier, about doing something with your future. That future includes sansa being in control and making something of herself instead of watching the sidelines.
Besides, from a narrative perspective what else are going to do with the starks now that they have back winterfell? The lannisters held on to (and still do) the kings landing for quite sometime and that won't change for a while. But what made them interesting was the internal conflict of the family: between jaime and cersei, and between tywin and tyrion. You need that internal conflict otherwise it would be a snoozefest.
what else are you going to do with the starks, you need that internal conflict. And this conflict is definitely going to build up with Sansa and jon. Sansa is a true stark, but Jon who is only a bastard and not even a true stark now is king of the north. That's ought to make Sansa a bit jealous.
@xan:
Littlefinger succeeds when he becomes the bridge between different groups while making sure the groups themselves don't talk with each other without him. He thrives in hostility between houses not unity. I am not sure how effective he would be as a king if there was a crisis in the kingdom with a credible alliance against him
Littelfinger thrives in chaos because thats the best way to gain power. If there is chaos then the stauos quo is destabilized, making it easier for new people to gain power when in most confusing times. Like you know through many examples throughout history where people perform coups and win over power.
Also, Im guessing you're talking about the Tyrells? Their fates are tied together according to queen of thorn, as long as Littleifnger doesn't do anything against the interest of the tyrells she won't do anything against him. Plus, now with the entire family completely gone what does she care anymore besides getting revenge for her family? The tyrells I assume are out of an heir aren't they once Olena dies. Yeah, it actually makes perfect sense if Olena dies it means someone can easily swoop in and take control of one of the most powerful houses in the westeros.
THe entire future small council will look very different, with so many people dead (I predicted this before). But as long as cersei is alive not many people can manuver for power around her especially with so much parnoia and distrust. She needs to die too, which Jaime will achieve.
But if jaime does kill cersei what would the otehr houses seek revenge on? A non-existant house? Most of the lannistser are gone or dead. Which means Jaime will get the stick end of it from a bunch of people who hate him simply via his association with the lannister family, even though he'll probably save the entire city twice. Either way, something interesting will happen with Jaime that will make is feel for him whatever the consequences/outcome of his character.
Arya so gonna kill Melisandre next season.
Sansa going for the north would be lame with the others just around the wall.
About the usurper. Everyone said that if Ned dared to sit in the throne once he got there, he could have been the king easily as he took the city. Just needed to offer a marriage to tywin and he'd be done, no one cares for the legitimacy except the lords.
If Jaime kills Cersei by any chance he would be a Kingslayer, Queenslayer and Kinslayer. Quite a feat
I'm sad that for villians we are down to cersei and her entourage, euron, little finger and the nigth king.
As we are beyond the books now, only Sam is behind shcedule, and that is one chapter.
Littelfinger thrives in chaos because thats the best way to gain power. If there is chaos then the stauos quo is destabilized, making it easier for new people to gain power when in most confusing times. Like you know through many examples throughout history where people perform coups and win over power.
Also, Im guessing you're talking about the Tyrells? Their fates are tied together according to queen of thorn, as long as Littleifnger doesn't do anything against the interest of the tyrells she won't do anything against him. Plus, now with the entire family completely gone what does she care anymore besides getting revenge for her family? The tyrells I assume are out of an heir aren't they once Olena dies. Yeah, it actually makes perfect sense if Olena dies it means someone can easily swoop in and take control of one of the most powerful houses in the westeros.
The problem with Littlefinger is that he isn't just satisfied with power. He craves for more and in turn would require chaos to constantly thrive around him for him to benefit from it. This would be fine when houses around him are oblivious to his schemes but once people start noticing him, they would be increasingly cautious of him. He is always a step ahead of people which gives him the edge but that edge is the only thing separating him from certain death for the amount of wrongs he has been doing against every single house. He has betrayed the Lannisters, the Starks and the Arryns but nobody from the respective houses know about it. His flimsy alliance won't take much time to break once people start talking to each other - which they won't, which is why his schemes are brilliant! With that, if he sits on the Iron Throne, there are lots of chances that he would have more enemies than friends when he cannot play his games anymore
"winter is here" goddamn. finally !!! after 6years !!!!!!!!!
lmao. Margeary is gonna come back as Hisoka did.
and damn again. Arya was freaking good. I almost cried, so beautiful.
THE WAR IS COMING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And soon, Daenerys is gonna marry Jon Snow. 2 Targaryans :ninja:
We sit through so much of Dany and Sansa to get so little of Olenna, hopefully and eventually she will school them too
And soon, Daenerys is gonna marry Jon Snow. 2 Targaryans :ninja:
Very incestuous, but it is GoT. 
! it's almost as if tommen recognized he was in a tv show and was like "im so irrelevant right now, let me just quietly go away" lol. it was kinda harsh how his mother disowned him after he died but i can't say he didn't deserve it. he was a tool, fuck him. i felt bad for margaery and loris, both suffered alot at the hands of the shit sparrow and ended up dying because of his stupidity.
! cersei having that nun get tortured (and possibly raped) by gregor was so brutal, she was a bitch but she didn't deserve that.
! jon being from r+l was somewhat disappointing to me. but the scene was well done atleast, and the guy who portrayed ned did a good job, i almost cried with him.
good thing the stark seed was strong in jon, otherwise who knows what kind of bullshit ned would've had to spin to convince the world that this silver haired child is his.
! the shitbag walder frey has finally got whats coming to him in the most satisfying way. the question is: who rules the riverlands now?
! cersei is done manipulating people i see, and decided to take the crown for herself. even though it supposed to go to the barathions.
i'm predicting that jaime will kill her in a situation mirroring the death of the mad king.
! great finale and a good season overall, can't wait for more:)
They are no arya, they wouldn't have been able to outrun the explosion nor the bell.
Cersei finally free of the burden of protecting her children. Now she can go crazy as she wants, lol. Probably won't last long with all that is coming against her, but it will be fun till Jaime probably kills her like he did the mad king.
Also, I know Arya could go north to meet up either with the Hound on the way or with her family in winterfell. But she as easily could have joined the Lannister army on their way back and now be in King's Landing. Although with her new abilities, it would kinda be too easy to kill Cersei I guess, so it won't happen.
I hope she uses joffrey's face.
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Can Arya turn into a very tall and strong guy ? or just the face ?
Cersei is rigth now fucked, I don't see her surviving next season.
Don't see how it could last more than one season. Isn't that just finished ?
ohhh, no. sorry, the white walkers…...
And, couldn't Daenerys just go kill Cersei with her dragons and finish the war ? ( the war that didn't even started )
I hope she uses joffrey's face.
Omg…That's amazingly cruel lol. But now I want to see it happen.
Aside from the epicness of it all, can someone explain to me what exactly Lyanna said to Ned? Watched the episode in another language. The whispering didn't helped too.
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
Aside from the epicness of it all, can someone explain to me what exactly Lyanna said to Ned? Watched the episode in another language. The whispering didn't helped too.
Don't recall the correct words but something to the effect of "If Robert finds out he'll kill him. Protect him." Something like that. What we could make out at least. What we couldnt hear probably concerned Rhaegar.
This season had a good start, crappy middle and then stuck the landing. Boy did it stick the landing.
was the marriage between sansa and tyrion disbanded officialy? because if it werent they could make an easy peace between the two
i have one minor nitpick about arya.
how can she wear faces? it was established that you can only wear faces if you forsake your identity and become a nobody, otherwise the many faced god will blind you.
she's clearly still arya stark, so she shouldn't be able to wear faces. that was a slip up on the writers part, i hope they have a good explanation for it next season.
Jon and Tyrion reunion should be sweet. An imp and a bastard … look at them now!
! I am please with Jon's story. He may be a bastard, but he won risked his life for the Stark name. He didn't claim kingship, he earned it. Sort of. With Littlefinger. Poor Littlefinger. Wasn't expecting a bastard to become King in the North.
! Scene would have been better with Ghost lying on the floor in front. White Wolf! I like it.
! I haven't been all that pleased with Jaimie these last two seasons because he veered too much from his book counter part, but now it seems like he'll finally have a reason to go against Cerise. Now I'm happy, for it's a magnificent situation he's in. He killed one Mad King, and will now have to kill a Mad Queen. Presumably.
! I feel sorry for Tommen. Had a lazy father. Presumably no one taught him how to be a warrior, how to be strong. Had a crazy mother, and a wife he had to please. And he became king during an incredibly tumultuous time.
! Cersei may be queen, but she's all alone. The Royal forces are really the Lannister forces now, which Jaimie commands - unless there's some ambiguity there. Her stupidity and somewhat cleverness has won her the crown, but she has no allies left.
! Sam's story is so peculiar, in the show and the books. How long does it take to become a maester? In the books hardly a year has passed. How's he going to attain all the knowledge he needs in so little time? He only need white walker lore, sure, but still.
The citadel doesn't support the existence of magic. I hope that puts him in the fast track to the cooler parts of the maesters.
I think its better that Jaime will be disgusted with cersei for burning people than for being unfaithful.
I really wonder what briene and Mel's plot are going to go. Another wacky buddy comedy? Show mel is also on aryas list, but I'd guess she still looks for her death every day in the flames.
[hide]I don't really see how what she did AFTER her shame walk has been stupid. She planned all that shit. She might not have planned Tommen's suicide, but she was clearly prepared for it. The thing is: Cersei doesn't give a shit anymore. Her life has left her numb. All of her kids are dead. Not even Jaime can save her from her bitterness.
She may not have allies. She may not have a plan from here on out. She may have plenty of people planning on killing her. But I don't think she gives a shit beyond this very moment. If she dies, she dies. If she kills anyone trying to kill her on her way down, wonderful.
I honestly believe she's going to manage to kill any of Dorne's assassins. What will be entertaining is when Cersei unleashes the Mountain on Ellaria, forcing her to confront her lover's killer. I hope they destroy each other.[/hide]
! it's almost as if tommen recognized he was in a tv show and was like "im so irrelevant right now, let me just quietly go away" lol.
! It's almost as if his mother blew up everything that mattered to him in life, including his wife, his new-found spirituality, and tons of innocent bystanders. He was the king and couldn't do anything. He also probably didn't feel he could face Cersei.
i have one minor nitpick about arya.
how can she wear faces? it was established that you can only wear faces if you forsake your identity and become a nobody, otherwise the many faced god will blind you.
she's clearly still arya stark, so she shouldn't be able to wear faces. that was a slip up on the writers part, i hope they have a good explanation for it next season.
My understanding was that she was blinded as punishment for killing the wrong person.
Foolio is correct on why she was blinded.
In terms of why she can still use the faces, I don't think there was any sort of magic to them. Anyone could have probably used them, whether they had an identity or not. She was being tested as to whether or not she was worthy. Not only did she prove herself worthy in the end, she probably bagged a few faces with her as she skipped town.
I think there is a mysterious magic to Jaqen, or at least, his connection with 'the Many Faced God'. But the faces? They may be enchanted to change appearances or something, but they're not something that can only be worn by 'one's without a name/identity'.
! It's almost as if his mother blew up everything that mattered to him in life, including his wife, his new-found spirituality, and tons of innocent bystanders. He was the king and couldn't do anything. He also probably didn't feel he could face Cersei.
i know, i know, he was devastated. his mother manipulated him and his father figure and wife just burned to death. pretty serious stuff for a teenager to handle. but the way he died was just too hilarious.
@Insider2000:
Foolio is correct on why she was blinded.
unfortunately that is not true, i still remember it. it was in
, the waif said "he was no one. just as a girl should've been before she took a face from the hall. the faces are for no one, you're still someone and to someone the faces are like poison".What insider says, you can't call a winer the one who kicks the table, but they are for sure enjoying themselves.
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i know, i know, he was devastated. his mother manipulated him and his father figure and wife just burned to death. pretty serious stuff for a teenager to handle. but the way he died was just too hilarious.
unfortunately that is not true, i still remember it. it was in
, the waif said "he was no one. just as a girl should've been before she took a face from the hall. the faces are for no one, you're still someone and to someone the faces are like poison".
the faces can't be worn by someone who still hasn't forsaken his identity.
She just said that she can, and she did, but it will harm her.
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She just said that she can, and she did, but it will harm her.
that is probably the case and most likely she found some way to circumvent the penalty of wearing faces.
Or is ranking it for the sake of vengeance.
unfortunately that is not true, i still remember it. it was in
, the waif said "he was no one. just as a girl should've been before she took a face from the hall. the faces are for no one, you're still someone and to someone the faces are like poison".
the faces can't be worn by someone who still hasn't forsaken his identity.
The thing is, though, she was wearing the face at the brothel before killing Ser Meryn, but she didn't go blind until after she came back to the House of Black and White and confronted the Faceless Men and was reprimanded for killing the wrong man. If the faces were literal poison to those who still have identities, shouldn't she have gone blind pretty much right away as a direct result of wearing the face instead?
I figured it was the dude-who-looks-like-J'aqen H'gar who used some kind of unspoken magic to blind her. Their magic seems kind of vague anyway. Like when Arya drank that water that was, up until then, established to pretty much be poison and kill the drinker, but it instead didn't hurt her and in fact gave her back her eyesight. If that worked, I can also buy him making Arya go blind somehow.
In the books they give her a potion to blind her, I think. Was half punishment half weird training.
unfortunately that is not true, i still remember it. it was in
, the waif said "he was no one. just as a girl should've been before she took a face from the hall. the faces are for no one, you're still someone and to someone the faces are like poison".
the faces can't be worn by someone who still hasn't forsaken his identity.
You're taking this way too literally and selectively ignoring the rest of his lecture. In essence the wrong life was taken, which needed to be repaid, so he "died" in her place but punished her with blindness for the transgression.
Awesome finale, but the Lannisters just haven't felt threatening since Joffrey died, and right now it feels like anyone can just walk in and take the throne for themselves. I wish they would showcase King's Landing as a bit more of a threat, if the Iron Throne is going to be contested next season.
! i have been looking to the map, they probably need to take dragonstone first before going to kingslanding. i am wondering if they go another route. maybe harrendal and then sandwich kingslanding from two sides or stormsend and join with the other armys from the south
! it's almost as if tommen recognized he was in a tv show and was like "im so irrelevant right now, let me just quietly go away" lol. it was kinda harsh how his mother disowned him after he died but i can't say he didn't deserve it. he was a tool, fuck him.
! I cannot believe this lovestruck teenager did a melodramatic impulsive thing after a major loss!
[hide]I don't really see how what she did AFTER her shame walk has been stupid. She planned all that shit. She might not have planned Tommen's suicide, but she was clearly prepared for it. The thing is: Cersei doesn't give a shit anymore. Her life has left her numb. All of her kids are dead. Not even Jaime can save her from her bitterness.
She may not have allies. She may not have a plan from here on out. She may have plenty of people planning on killing her. But I don't think she gives a shit beyond this very moment. If she dies, she dies. If she kills anyone trying to kill her on her way down, wonderful.
I honestly believe she's going to manage to kill any of Dorne's assassins. What will be entertaining is when Cersei unleashes the Mountain on Ellaria, forcing her to confront her lover's killer. I hope they destroy each other.[/hide]
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Olenna's greatest mistake was not knowing that Cersei took that as a challenge.
I cannot believe this lovestruck teenager did a melodramatic impulsive thing after a major loss!
that's not really what i meant by my joke. as i said before i understand that he just suffered a tragedy and it was normal for him to be suicidal.
i just found it amusing how he went away by himself after the plot didn't need him anymore. it's a meta thing i guess.
remind me again guys, did we have alot of characters committing suicide in game of thrones? i can't remember anyone now.
that's not really what i meant by my joke. as i said before i understand that he just suffered a tragedy and it was normal for him to be suicidal.
i just found it amusing how he went away by himself after the plot didn't need him anymore. it's a meta thing i guess.
remind me again guys, did we have alot of characters committing suicide in game of thrones? i can't remember anyone now.
You make it sound like he was just randomly written out. How is his death random, and not all the other deaths in this episode.
This author has the same complex as Tarantino. Kill anyone to remain unpredictable.
Well, at least he can say that it's just a game of throne, while Tarantino brings a dumb explanation "heyy, violence is cool. Let's pour blood everywhere, blood is funny"
This author has the same complex as Tarantino. Kill anyone to remain unpredictable.
The author kills to add a level of realism also because most people in the series die because the plot requires it.
There are quite a few characters who really can't die (or stay dead) until the very end because the plot falls apart without them.
So good lmfao 
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So good lmfao
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Margery really tried to rally her teammates to evacuate the control point, but they didn't read in-game chat
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Now they just need to get a good song going like with Rains of Castemere.
@Cyan:
The author kills to add a level of realism also because most people in the series die because the plot requires it.
There are quite a few characters who really can't die (or stay dead) until the very end because the plot falls apart without them.
You'd think people who would have taken a literature class eh? Like i get it, not a lot of people like literature, but even GRrm has to follow the basic rules. In the books, since it's written in a POV character it becomes much more obvious that the whole "nobdy is safe" is bull because only one POv character died in teh books this whole time ( AND EVEN SHE GETS REVIVED ROFL), I believe.
In the TV show you have this illusion that nobody is safe. But even in the TV show, it has become abundantly clear that certain characters cannot die: most obvious of all being danyerys. Danyreys has been safe the entire time because SHE NEEDS TO GO TO westeros, and she can absolutely not die before any of that happens. The others being JOn snow, Tyrion, and bran. And IM guessing to a lesser extent sansa and arya? But yeah, maybe Jaime too I suppose since we need a POV character in kings landing. basically each character is sort of important to one plot, and its desginated in a specific geographic position. With bran the northern plot would fall, like you mentioned. Basic storytelling.
And everything that has happned has happened for a reason, to further the plot. When you think about the show thrives on chaos. Neds death made the realm chaotic with war, Robs death did the same, Tommens death is now doing the same thing too. Basically whatever maintains the statuos quo or does not progress the story, something needs to happen to it for that to happen. For ramsay to fight Jon snow, he needed to kill his father. it wasn't like oh hey lets think of something fucking crazy to do. Which is where I think the showrunenrs have failed to grasp and translate the spirit of the books, they have become shock value at this point.
GRRM has been able to get away with killing lots of characters, because he has such a huge/vast amount of characters. It's kind of like a magicians trick really, that if you rely too much can get predictable. Thats one of the inheritn advantages the show has over all other shows, it's so big and the story so expensive no other TV show can compete with it on that front. I suppose they can compete in other ways, such as storytelling. But GRRM can kill off so many becuase he has so many, same thing for the TV. They have a lot of characters, and there is still plenty left to make the last season intersting, but dont expect as many unexpected deaths. GRRM himself said he plans on bringing all characters in the same geographic area, and not keeping them geographically scattered anymore. ANd I suppose that would be kings landing. which Is why I expcted the major player in kings landing to look very different.
we are also nto certain how much if any at all they have changed from the books. WE knew hodor was GRRM idea because they mentioned that he told them during a hotel meeting. But they haven't said this was GRRM idea, or how much of it it is, they've changed. So really there lots of differences, and it's worth reading the books because of that. The explosion really wasn't all that unpredictable, and felt a bit cliche. Tommens death was unexpected. But it's definitely not as wtf as it used to be. Well see when GRRM releases his new book and how much better it is.
So good lmfao
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Brilliant and funny, I wasn't expecting the list of names at all. I am laughing hard right now. Thanks.
