Why the high sparrow is suddenly interested on getting an heir on Marjorie? And it went from "average westeros sexist" to … this.
It went to incredibly typical even to this day sexist?
Also incredibly normal and politically motivated monarchy sexist?
Wishful thinking but…
! If they were planning to cut our LS in the show, I would have preferred Arya to avenge the Red wedding with her long lost wolf and its newly formed pack perhaps. Avenging the Stark murders by a bunch of winter wolves would be poetic indeed
! Was Sandor really that far from the camp that he didn't hear any of that happening?
! Well he is missing an ear and has been destroying trees loudly for hours
! im glad he turned out to be alife, i like him. turns out there wasn't a maester behind that rock, but there was a man passing by to save him.
It went to incredibly typical even to this day sexist?
Also incredibly normal and politically motivated monarchy sexist?
Wasn't he like 3 chapters ago going "let's destroy monarchy!"
Well once you have the king in your pocket these kind of things change, I guess, so it's not just sexism for its own sake but it indicates something more political out of him.
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Easily the prettiest episode of Game of Thrones this season and one of the better written ones too, even if it does commit some of the worst instant transmission BS to date.
! Sandor's stuff was done pretty well even if I would have liked a little more focus on what his reasons were for staying with Habitat for Humanity. We certainly got a good sense of his changing morality but I would have liked a tad more on how he's retreated from the world. Still, mostly great. No clue why the BwB would massacre a group like that though, since they could easily just take the food and supplies at swordpoint without killing anyone. They might be a lot more vengeful and lawless under LSH, which seems to be being set up, but they're not mass murderers.
! Margaery's got a plan, as expected, and I'm pleased to see Olenna leaving King's Landing for a bit. The show basically kept her around because she makes great quips, but she's largely been extraneous commentary these past two seasons. As for the High Sparrow, he clearly sees cooperation between the Crown and the Faith to be the best way of spreading his reforms, and an heir to the throne raised as a strict devotee to the Seven would be an excellent way to guarantee that.
! Sansa's presumably writing to Littlefinger, but the Battle for Winterfell latecomer I really want to see is the Manderlys. They've been name-dropped a ton this season and I can't wait for secret badass Wyman Manderly to show up and spout some vicious lines. And maybe some Frey Pie too? As for Jon, when you're negotiating with the houses of the North, maybe mention that ROOSE BOLTON HELPED KILL THEIR HEADS OF HOUSE. The North remembers nothing, apparently.
! Arya still fails at subtlety, Yara's bisexual, and Jaime gets to retread a scene from Book Four. Nice that there's an episode without Tyrion or Dany spouting terrible dialogue for once.
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Considering how alienated the Frey were by the murder of fat walda and the heir of the north, they won't be likely to help Ramsay.
Unless his ninja politician skills allowed him to cover up her death.
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Wasn't he like 3 chapters ago going "let's destroy monarchy!"
Well once you have the king in your pocket these kind of things change, I guess, so it's not just sexism for its own sake but it indicates something more political out of him.
The High Sparrow will definetly turn on the crown with force the moment they feel they have the power to do so. As far as the powerstruggle between the religious and the profane, the High Sparrow has defeated the crown in every conceivable way. Tommen has basically lost all his power and without a proper Hand to clean up this mess, the Sparrows already have all the power and have technically defeated monarchy as it is. Tommen is already in the HS palm.
At this point, not even killing every sparrow in the city would suffice, simply because the Sparrows are true champions off the people.
Huh, they lost.. The lanisters lost because cersei thought it was a good idea to arm a religious force. Neat.
With Dorne in either stupid rebellion or closed rebellion, the north about to get back to stark hands, euron doing piratey and rapey things on the west coast (as in lanisters and tyrels coasts), the riverlands converting to the red god ( or just being a mess) and little finger poised to do something any moment now…
Yeah, the high sparrow has the lead rigth now, but that stability won't last that long, while the faith of the seven is the de facto religion for most of the land, the sparrow movement is mostly contained in kings landing, and the half of the riverlands that wasn't converted to the red god. The movement has to spread for it to take roots, so there is still time for him to lose.
Considering how alienated the Frey were by the murder of fat walda and the heir of the north, they won't be likely to help Ramsay.
Unless his ninja politician skills allowed him to cover up her death.
Walder's not likely to care much, as long as Ramsay has plausible deniability and can marry another Frey girl.
For that he needs to give up sansa, that wouldn't happen.
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can somebody help in filling in the gaps of my story. sansa is suspected of killing joffrey. she is "rescued"by litle finger who hides her in the veil. then little finger let her marry ramsey. or was little fingers help concealed from the rest of the world? wouldnt the fact that little finger and sansa worked together, be enough reason to supect little finger was behind the killing of jofrey? or didnt get any news from the north to kingslanding about the marriage?
! So nice to see old Sandor back, especially with him continuing his streak of awesome lines.
! "The reason I'm not dead is that I'm a big bastard and hard to kill" lol.
! Yara's revealed lesbian tendencies were…interesting, wasn't really sure what that added tbh.
! I was also a little sceptical of her comments about needing the "real" Theon Greyjoy back.
! I mean...Theon really kind of sucked and was actively made fun of for it? Strange.
! I genuinely don't know how much more Sansa I can take.
! Possibly the most infuriating character in the entire show.
! Yep, I'll let Jon go from house to house looking for men with some of them turning him down purely based on his lack of existing numbers, then I'll give him shit about they don't have enough men, THEN I'll finally do what I should have done from the very start and send for the Knights of the Vale.
! ...sigh.
! The sad thing is she's pretty much guaranteed to live through all this, despite her incredible stupidity/stubbornness.
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can somebody help in filling in the gaps of my story. sansa is suspected of killing joffrey. she is "rescued"by litle finger who hides her in the veil. then little finger let her marry ramsey. or was little fingers help concealed from the rest of the world? wouldnt the fact that little finger and sansa worked together, be enough reason to supect little finger was behind the killing of jofrey? or didnt get any news from the north to kingslanding about the marriage?
Yea it should, the show dropped the ball on all consequences of revealing sansa too soon, and giving her away.
It feels like the show doesn't care about jofrey's death.
I dislike how The Hounds story pretty much amounts to a basic action movie revenge story.
He was close enough that he could hear the screams, but far enough that the others managed to get away in time. They had horses but come one!
can somebody help in filling in the gaps of my story. sansa is suspected of killing joffrey. she is "rescued"by litle finger who hides her in the veil. then little finger let her marry ramsey. or was little fingers help concealed from the rest of the world? wouldnt the fact that little finger and sansa worked together, be enough reason to supect little finger was behind the killing of jofrey? or didnt get any news from the north to kingslanding about the marriage?
Littlefinger kills Joffrey, which only Sansa knows about.
Littlefinger rescued Sansa, which none know about - save from the Vale.
Littlefinger gives Sansa over to the Boltons, and then proceeds to tell Cersei that Sansa has found her way to the North and is marrying Ramsay. Cersei then kind of gives him permission to retake the North, on his condition that he becomes Warden of the North, if I recall correctly.
So, no one of consequence really knows that Littlefinger and Sansa "worked" together. And I assume that Joffrey's murder is largely blamed on Tyrion, though I am unsure. And I mean outside of Cersei. How it went down in the play, at least, so. No one has any reason to suspect Littlefinger. Certainly not Cersei, who's an idiot.
By attacking the Bolton's he's sort of doing what he promised. Dunno what he meant to do with Sansa in that alternative future.
For that he needs to give up sansa, that wouldn't happen.
…somehow I forgot that happened. Maybe I shouldn't write these things at 4 in the morning.
On the off chance that geography still matters at all, how are the Knights of the Vale supposed to get to Winterfell? Their options are basically either go up the Neck, which the Freys or someone else would presumably notice, or land in White Harbor. Ignoring the week+ march that would normally take and that someone should notice, it would also kind of ruin the revelation about the Manderlys and their loyalty.
! Yara's revealed lesbian tendencies were…interesting, wasn't really sure what that added tbh.
! I was also a little sceptical of her comments about needing the "real" Theon Greyjoy back.
! I mean...Theon really kind of sucked and was actively made fun of for it? Strange.
! Yeah it was weird, but I guess the point was that even the old Theon is better than the beaten dog he has become. And the lesbian thing? Well, she just showed him that one doesn't need a dick to enjoy life (and even the one thing Theon seemed to live for).
Wasn't he like 3 chapters ago going "let's destroy monarchy!"
I have no recollection of him saying anything like that.
The "we can destroy an empire, together" talk.
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Anyways, whatever he was trying to accomplish, he can now do it easier now that he has the king and (thinks he has) the queen.
! As for Jon, when you're negotiating with the houses of the North, maybe mention that ROOSE BOLTON HELPED KILL THEIR HEADS OF HOUSE. The North remembers nothing, apparently.
Oh he was about to say something like that to lord Glover, except that he got cut off by him.
Love how quickly Cersei and Jamie have forgotten about Dorne killing there own daughter.
^Also love (not really) how Jaime's still obsessed with Cersei. They need to just freakin' break up already. Doesn't help that show-Cersei is relatively more sympathetic than book-Cersei.
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I'm just waiting for a Tormund-Brienne-Jaime love triangle.
^Also love (not really) how Jaime's still obsessed with Cersei. They need to just freakin' break up already. Doesn't help that show-Cersei is relatively more sympathetic than book-Cersei.
Don't you mean Carol and Larry? Because those characters that appear in the tv show sure as fuck aren't Cersei and Jamie.
Love how quickly Cersei and Jamie have forgotten about Dorne killing there own daughter.
I think the show just wants us to forget Dorne all together.
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I think the show just wants us to forget Dorne all together.
What are the three terrors of the Dorne? One, the desert sun - no problem. As far as we know, Dorne is just coastal dunes and a garden palace; we can avoid the desert. Two, the aimless plot, which you were clever enough to discover immediately, so in the future we can repeat that too.
Jaime, what about the S.S.O.U.B.A.'s?
Sand Snakes of Unusually Bad Acting? I don't think they exist.
! Yeah it was weird, but I guess the point was that even the old Theon is better than the beaten dog he has become.
! I suppose that was what she meant but…would he really be?
! She has so much contempt for the old Theon and rightfully so.
! If he can gain some confidence back while keeping his new found humility then I suppose that would be ideal.
! And the lesbian thing? Well, she just showed him that one doesn't need a dick to enjoy life (and even the one thing Theon seemed to live for).
! Does enjoying lesbian sex really equate to still enjoying life after you've had your male genitalia cut off?
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! Does enjoying lesbian sex really equate to still enjoying life after you've had your male genitalia cut off?
Being a stud was all he was good at, or at least he enjoyed the thought that he was. Yara just reminded him that one doesn't need a dick in order to "fuck those tits". Theon can still be the one he used to be, even after someone cut off his junk.
Yara ordering a male whore wouldn't have the same…impact, I guess?
Being a stud was all he was good at, or at least he enjoyed the thought that he was. Yara just reminded him that one doesn't need a dick in order to "fuck those tits". Theon can still be the one he used to be, even after someone cut off his junk.
Yeah, I suppose that's true.
Yara ordering a male whore wouldn't have the same…impact, I guess?
Lol it certainly had an impact, even if it was in more of jarring way than anything else.
I assume she had no standards either way. Didn't she let Theon feel her up when they first introduced her character cause she thought it was funny he didn't recognize her?
Being a stud was all he was good at, or at least he enjoyed the thought that he was. Yara just reminded him that one doesn't need a dick in order to "fuck those tits". Theon can still be the one he used to be, even after someone cut off his junk.
Um do you guys need an anatomy lesson?
Because "lesbian sex proves a dude without a dick can enjoy sex" is some really weird shit to think.
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Wishful thinking but…
! If they were planning to cut our LS in the show, I would have preferred Arya to avenge the Red wedding with her long lost wolf and its newly formed pack perhaps. Avenging the Stark murders by a bunch of winter wolves would be poetic indeed
! I would love that, especially if the episode was called "The Wolves of Winter".
Um do you guys need an anatomy lesson?
Because "lesbian sex proves a dude without a dick can enjoy sex" is some really weird shit to think.
That wasn't how I interpreted it though? He took pride in being a good lover, pleasing women was probably the only thing he thought he was good at.
Now he obviously will never enjoy the act like he used to, but he can still enjoy being the good lover he was. He can still return to being the arrogant, narcissistic Theon, despite all the scars and the lack of dick.
And I assume Yara being all "don't go far love, I will find you in a bit 
" is supposed to hammer that home. She doesn't need a dick in order to please another woman, and neither does Theon.
im questioning your understanding of the human anatomy.
She doesn't need a dick in order to please another woman, and neither does Theon.
But at least she can enjoy pleasure in return, while Theon can`t in the way he probably would want to. :ninja:
i just remembered something about the brotherhood, they were gonna execute sandor for killing mica the butcher's boy. but now they massacre people and it's okay?
they failed to kill sandor, they gave gendry to the red woman, and they slaughtered people for no reason. shittiest revolutionaries ever, are they like this in the books?
i just remembered something about the brotherhood, they were gonna execute sandor for killing mica the butcher's boy. but now they massacre people and it's okay?
they failed to kill sandor, they gave gendry to the red woman, and they slaughtered people for no reason. shittiest revolutionaries ever, are they like this in the books?
! it realy didnt makes sense for them to kill all those people, in the books it was poimnted out they had a closebond with the people hiding in the area. although those people who were hiding in burned remains of their villages, they never knew any details of the brothers without banners. but when they could they would help them out. they only killed soldiers and freys
One could say maybe something changed with the brotherhood without banners so that they act way more violently now… I wonder if THAT one thing will still happen in the show. :ninja:
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I think the show just wants us to forget Dorne all together.
Then why have Dorne kill her? Ah who am I kidding it's because David are Weiss are fucking stupid.
The septon used to be a soldier, maybe he was a lanister soldier? Meribad was also a soldier, but from the rebelion. Killing him is par for the course of medieval vengance. Killing the whole town (note killing by sword, not ritual sacrifice of burning of the church or the people) is just.. nonsensical, they weren't defending themselves nor the septon, they had nothing and left the food, they weren't a threat, they weren't important enough to send a message. It was just a random killing of a whole town. At least the thens got the food and the message, at least the mountain was pillaging, at least Melisandre believes that burning people produces miracles.
yeah it just doesn't make any sense at all for a revolutionary group who essentially depend on the people for recruitment and other crucial help to start killing them for no reason. that was bad writing.
i will forgive the writers if they could wrap up this hound mini arc with them being renegades from the brotherhood who betrayed them. it seems like the hound will kill them in the next episode according to the preview.
yeah it just doesn't make any sense at all for a revolutionary group who essentially depend on the people for recruitment and other crucial help to start killing them for no reason. that was bad writing.
No that's real life. Rural guerilla movement predating on helpless peasants regardless of ideology? All the time, everywhere.
Straight up murder? Without looting or raping or revenge or political reason? As first contact?
Considering how methodical or objective oriented every other village destruction has been in the show its jarring how this one happened.
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Maybe someone just wants to make the Brotherhood look bad on purpose, cause weren't they originally all about helping the poor?
Straight up murder? Without looting or raping or revenge or political reason? As first contact?
You lived close enough to FARC and Shining Path to know better dude.
Considering how methodical or objective oriented every other village destruction has been in the show its jarring how this one happened.
Only if this is your only knowledge of peasant death and razing.
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Maybe someone just wants to make the Brotherhood look bad on purpose, cause weren't they originally all about helping the poor?
Or maybe because this is Game of Thrones and not Lord of the Rings, a Robin Hood like forest rebellion in reality will still be staffed by thugs, and still be sadistic and violent at points.
That is of course the obvious answer and probably also what is really happening there. Maybe not all of them are like this, but there are always those aholes in every group.^^
Partisan guerrilla group that does horrible shit to sustain itself but is otherwise beloved by the masses about describes a lot of Wild West outlaw gangs.
the problem is that the brotherhood presented themselves as a sort of bringers of justice, if you remember when they captured sandor. this massacre makes them out to be extremely hypocritical.
the problem is that the brotherhood presented themselves as a sort of bringers of justice
Groups with heroic ideologies never do anything bad.
if you remember when they captured sandor.
Ok so do you think the brotherhood is staffed by 20 guys, and that was all of them in that other scene?
this massacre makes them out to be extremely hypocritical.
Why yes, it does.
Who's leading the Brotherhood, is the question you should be asking.
